If We’d Scored More Goals Than Arsenal – We Could Have Won


We always think it’s a bit funny and even entertaining when a manager reviews a game his team has just lost, and talks about all the ifs and buts, and basically says if other things had happened that they would have won the game, or at least done a lot better – it’s called fiction.

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This is a nervous Alan Pardew on the touchline last night

That’s what managers of relegation teams do all the time, and we suppose there’s not much else they can say in the circumstances, given they want to keep their jobs.

We remember way back in the dark ages of 1961 when we were finally relegated to the second division under then manager Charlie Mitten, and we’d be beaten say 3-0 and we’d say two of their goals were offside, the goalkeeper should have saved the other one, and we missed two great chances – we should have won 2-0. 😀

When we look back on what we used to say – it was hilarious – but we meant every single word of it – we think it’s called being delusional.

Newcastle are going through a terrible time of it at the moment and this is some of what the Newcastle manager had to say after the game:

“Coming to Arsenal was tough, especially with Mesut Ozil and Aaron Ramsay coming back to full fitness.” “This is a difficult place to come to anyway.”

“I thought they were very imaginative and caused us a lot of problems.” “But we defended really well in that first period.”  “We had a good foot-hold in the game until the first goal.”

“That period just before half-time was costly for us.” “It is difficult to say if it is an improvement.”  “Against Swansea we didn’t deserve to lose.”

“They are chasing a Champions League position.”  “If we could have scored when Gouffran went through or one of our other chances we could have put some nerves into their game.”

“Once they had a 2-0 lead it was difficult for us.” “I thought we showed tremendous character in the second half.”  “It’s a difficult scenario being five defeats in a row and being 2-0 down at this place.”

“At least we showed that in second half.”

You know, if we had only scored more goals than Arsenal we could have even won the game last night.

To be continued after the game against Cardiff City on Saturday ….. and let’s hope Alan is talking then about how we could have won the game by an even  bigger margin.

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87 comments so far

  • JackButler

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:28 PM

    Comment #1

    My name is Alan Pardew and I always state the obvious.

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  • Graeme

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    Comment #2

    The Manager needs to wipe his mouth after Post Match comments – there is too much brown stuff around his lips!!

    And its not TV make-up!!!

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  • the truth will out

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    Comment #3

    fcukin idiot

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  • the truth will out

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    Comment #4

    and sailors round his chin

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:32 PM

    Comment #5

    BandB

    I’m talking about hearsay in general. I’ve seen a lot of comments on this blog that simply aren’t true. Twisting of words, misplaced stats or biased interpretations. But the minimum target quote cannot be twisted in my opinion. It’s there in black and white.

    Pardew might sack himself if he fails to get 10th place…it may even be in his contract. He certainly doesn’t seem like he’s prepared to resign, he’s far too arrogant for that.

    I doubt many fans expected us to win. But we could at least demand that they put in a good shift, I’d rather have lost 8-2 playing good football than that dross we were served…

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    Comment #6

    Pathetic Pardew the wooden puppet of Football.

    His ego is so far gone that he won’t even resign even with constant humiliation. Totally delusional and crap as well.

    Ashley and Pardew out.

    Hope the ground is empty against Cardiff.

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  • JackButler

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    Comment #7

    How telling is it when the man prides himself on being a great defensive coach and we have conceded goals for fun? 57 in total. He needs to be put out of his, and our misery, by being sacked asap

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  • Munster Mag

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    Comment #8

    I’d like a new manager , but not the wrong one…eg Big Eck, or that Solsjaer bloke. Thing is Pardews case can easily be argued, and both Sky guys were supporting him last night – and they have no club links.

    Long and the short of it:

    Season 1 – Mid table
    Season 2 – Fifth
    Season 3 – Nearly relegated
    Season 4 – Mid table

    He has undoubtedly been compromised on more than one occasion by Ashley ( Carroll , Cabaye ) , and Newcastle are just a mid table team anyway, with a lower middling manager. Its no wonder the media are not in a frency about Pardew. If we were down where the mighty Solsjaer has Cardiff, now that would be more of a sacking offence, to the outside world anyway. Pardews history elsewhere is irrelevant – all managers get sacked ( well almost all ) so his sacking history is just that – history. Ashley likes him – Cardiff will have to beat us – well – to result in a new NUFC manager.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:37 PM

    Comment #9

    Anyway…my point has been made and on record. Now I can get back to work….

    Nothing more to say until after the Cardiff game or Pardew is sacked really…

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  • Munster Mag

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:37 PM

    Comment #10

    Darnsarf, if Pardew resigned, future clubs would call him a quitter. As you know, thats not realistic. Hope you are well mate – and not dosing out lessons about advertising revenue in accounting 🙂

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  • BandB

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:37 PM

    Comment #11

    TDS,

    I don’t know whether I ever saw anything about Pardew hanging on by the skins of his teeth last year either. I wouldn’t even assume it.
    I’m pleased you have decide to take a stand on the target issue. We can’t just keep shrugging these things off.

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  • DokToon

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    Comment #12

    “Once they had a 2-0 lead it was difficult for us.”

    dont you mean when it was 0-0, it was difficult for us? we looked horrid… i actually went and mowed my yard at halftime… better to be in 90 degree heat than drink myself to despair and watch the second half….

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    Comment #13

    Ian,
    The whole club is rotten at the minute. It is, in my opinion, time for Pardew to go, in fact it is long overdue. But If I new 2,000 people had splashed out over £150 to come and watch me perform then I would be embarrassed to have put in a lacklustre display like that.

    No Toon fan expects miracles, but a bit of fight, passion and desire go a long way.

    I agree on Tiote, thought he was by far our best player last night. Krul made some good saves, but definitely had the look of a man who will be off in the summer. He spent virtually the entire match grimacing, it would not surprise me at all if he was unavailable for the last two games.

    We have no characters in that dressing room who are going to force people to put in a shift. No Roy Keane, no Viera, no Barton even. Just a bunch of players who are already on holiday while collecting inflated pay packets. It is a huge worry for the next 2 games.

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  • theartfuldodger

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    Comment #14

    Last season we survived cause of a similar penultimate game against QPR
    This time its against cardiff for 10th place.

    Same story…

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  • Munster Mag

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #15

    Guys, you are not addressing the issue that Pardew is seen by a lot of the media as being completely compromised by Ashley. The two guys on TV last night were quite supportive of him. We beat Man U away, drew with Liverpool with 10 men, beat Chelsea. These results are not achieved by a useless manager and as the Gaurdian said, Reading were “easy on the eye” under Pardew, as we were earlier this season. I’d be happy for Pardew to go, but a defence can be monted for him too, as the Shy guts are doing. See my point above re our placings in the league. Mid table, thats us . Mediocre, thats us. Mediocre manager – thats us. Thats why only our fans are so riled. If we struggled all season I would say different.

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  • headtheball

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #16

    A premonition for our snake oil salesman;
    Now this is not the end
    It is not even the beginning of the end
    But it is perhaps, the end of the beginning.
    Out with the old in with the new.
    HWTL

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:53 PM

    Comment #17

    Munster,
    I don’t think we have ever been easy on the eye under Pardew. Maybe the exception of a handful of games, but not much more than that. I think most think that under Ashley we are to stutter along at mid table, regardless of who is in charge, but it is the manner of performances and the meek surrender in this second half of the season that is just unacceptable.

    A manager who can organise and get his players playing in a system would be nice. One who plays expansive passing football actually on the front foot would be great. They don’t have to get results week in week out, that would be great, but at the minute most of us would be happy just being able to look forward to 90 minutes of entertainment rather than this dross that is being served up.

    Is that too much to ask?

    Maybe if Gary and Jamie watched the same insipid performance week in week out against teams like Stoke, Swansea and other lesser teams then they may think differently.

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  • TurkishFan101

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:54 PM

    Comment #18

    Munster Mag

    If you believe we are a mediocre team, then you can always go along to Sunderland and support them.

    No fan thinks we are mediocre, only the ones that support Pardew do and want him to carry on as manager at Newcastle do.

    Stop with the mediocre posts and realise that a big team, big fanbase like NUFC is never a mediocre team.

    The media has done its job brainwashing you, well done!

    Now, you love David Cameron as well? what a surprised, I am not shocked at all.

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  • Average_Contents

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    Comment #19

    Like a new signing ay Alan! Cockbreath!

    Good to see him making progress!

    http://mobile.newsnow.co.uk/A/709932175?-11058

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  • DokToon

    Apr 29, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    Comment #20

    munster @15….

    thats the whole issue, being ok with being mediocre…

    issues with NUFC:

    owner
    manager
    work ethic
    tactics ( manager’s fault, really)
    motivation ( manager & players fault)
    team depth (owner)

    to put it another way, my son had a 3 v 3 soccer tourney week ago saturday… i wore my newcastle shirt, and i had the only two mackem fans there snickering at me… now thats just effin sad….

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  • DokToon

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:00 PM

    Comment #21

    and good mornign to you BandB 🙂

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  • wolfshead@toon

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:01 PM

    Comment #22

    munster@8

    i still cant see it happening if we win or draw against cardiff everything will be rosy in the garden if we lose well under normal circumstances the trigger would be pulled but asley wont because of the pay off and which decent manager would come here so it would be an unemployed or lower league manager with prem experience who would jump at the chance of a big club so that would be the likes of glen hoddle or mick mcarthy the best you could hope for would be redknapp but the reality is we are stuck in limbo as long as fatty owns the club

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  • Munster Mag

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:01 PM

    Comment #23

    Lilongwe, much of the football when we had Cabaye was perfectly fine. We complained last season e long ball and that went, until Cabaye went. Mid table is our average, and we spend stuff all. Thats why the media are not hanging Pardew, and whilst he would be lucky to hold his job, he had his fans in the media. The equation is:

    Crap owner + no investment + mediocre manager + NUFC = Mid table mediocrity.

    Therefore 5th is manager of the year, near relegation is unacceptable. Mid table is ok to them. Add is the whole Cabaye issue and its not hard to mount a defence for him. In reality, the crap losses, the records, the mackem games count for little. All that counts is the outcome – and out outcome is mid table or worse. Not good enough for NUFC in my books, but reasonable when the worls looks at a mediocre manager, with a bad owner, in a mediocre position after 4 seasons. It can be argued that we havent regressed under Pardew – we are still a mid table team , to the outside worlds, with a mediacre manager and a crap owner. If Pardew was managing a team that spent money – and they were 12th, that would be different. NUFC = crappy club , with a crappy mananger, in a crappy position . To the outside journos, thats about right.

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  • guvnor

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:01 PM

    Comment #24

    Krul is the worst keeper in the premier league and Colocini Williamson and anita are the worst outfield players, shola is the worst striker and Pardew is the worst manager.

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  • Graeme

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:02 PM

    Comment #25

    Turkish 101 @18. That is complete drivel mate. I watched the match lastnight and Mediocre sums us up quite nicely. We went through the motions – badly. We had no intention of trying to win the game, it was never on the cards.

    We started off playing for a draw, which in itself was a farce. We ended up losing 3-0 and, if Arse had pressed harder, it could just as easily have been 6 or 7.

    Yes, like it or not, we are mediocre – no more, no less.

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  • guvnor

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:03 PM

    Comment #26

    Mr T Sissoko and Debuchy are too good for Pardew and limited football.

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  • Munster Mag

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:04 PM

    Comment #27

    Turkish, you are missing my point completely. I have supported NUFC for years ( about 38 ) and I want us to be a club that pushes the top 6 or better and wins a cup every 10 years ! and gets into Europe. What you want and what I want isnt relevant to TV and print journos looking in.

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  • Shot Bru

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:05 PM

    Comment #28

    Turkish…I don’t think we are a big club…big fan base yes…but not a big club…we haven’t won a trophy in decades mate…we don’t have worldwide appeal…no recognisable players playing for us…no footballing philosophy and no ambition…we have no right to think we are a big team/club

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  • guvnor

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:05 PM

    Comment #29

    Dummett isn’t premier league quality and will end up playing in league one.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    Comment #30

    Munster,
    I have to disagree on it being good football. We had patches, and spells, but more often then not it was based on containment. Man U we played well, Chelsea he got his tactics spot on, and ‘Mourinho’d’ Mourinho, beating him at his own game. Other than that it has mainly been very defensive and negative.

    Everyone knows the issues with the owner, they have been done to death, so lets put that to one side for a moment and look at the players he has. In the past 19 games, has he had them playing to their potential? Have players improved, stayed the same or regressed under him? (There is a mix here, but I’d sayer fewer have improved than stagnated or regressed.)

    Yes, there is a case to be made for him staying, but it is rapidly being undone by his own failings.

    I think he will stay if we finish top ten, but that doesn’t mean it is the right decision.

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  • guvnor

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:12 PM

    Comment #31

    Since January its been a complete capitulation, Pardew needs sacked immediately!

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  • DokToon

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:15 PM

    Comment #32

    guv @ 31,

    youve summed it up perfectly there…capitulation is the perfect word… cant win, why try…

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  • guvnor

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM

    Comment #33

    Gracious, Dok!

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  • lesh

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:26 PM

    Comment #34

    Sadly, I have the feeling that Ashley won’t sack him. He’s done a superb job in Ashley’s eyes by avoiding relegation and without raising any aspirations for European football – and the associated expense thereof.

    Anywhere else and Pardew would have been gone a few weeks ago!

    Hope I’m wrong.

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  • wolfshead@toon

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:29 PM

    Comment #35

    dok

    i think they gave up the day after cabs was sold debs was prob the first one to ring his agent

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  • TurkishFan101

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    Comment #36

    The work of the devil is to deceive. Just like the work of Mike Ashley and the media.

    The fans have been decieved and been taken advantage of all these years for there hard worked money, countless hours staying up, sweat, tears even blood going into.

    The media has accomplished to down the expectations of a very big club in soul and united and the heart of the club.

    Over 55k fans week in week out in a stadium is not a small club, silverware and cups is not what matters all the time.

    The history of NUFC many have witnessed and passed away (R.I.P).

    If you fail to see we are a big club then there goal is achieved, the fans settle for mediocre ambitions, a greedy owner and incompetent stupid twat of a manager.

    Until fans together unite and see the club to take back what it belongs to, the fans, the voice, the heart of the club.

    Advertisements, extra sponsor money, people working for the club, the owner are nothing, absolute nothing just like how once a upon a time money was just a receipt written on paper then made into currency to divert and separate the rich and the poor, the power against the powerless.

    If you do not care to take the soul and heart back into the heart then I declare you to continue attending games as you are happy with the current management.

    But if you shall take action, the right action to protest and set ongoing planned events then this will end sooner rather than later.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    Comment #37

    Munster,
    I get your point to an extent about outsiders looking at our position and Ashleys non interest and thinking Pardew is doing ok, they haven’t had to listen to his drivel week in week out or witness the ties against the likes of Palace or Villa, they also probably aren’t aware he pretty much called us stupid or how much dedicating a win to a man who continually let’s him down riles us, it’s time to get rid of him and get over the better the Devil you know mentality.

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  • Ian Toon

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    Comment #38

    Lilongwe/Munster Mag – We were easy on the eye with Cabaye in the side against the likes of Chelsea, ManU, Spurs,Liverpool, Palace,Hull, Cardiff, Villa when we were picking up points. Nobody was complaining about the quality of our performance! It really is about winning football matches- or in our case not!

    I have not yet listened to the support from the media but I firmly believe the problems stem from the top. It was against all basic understanding of football not to replace your best and most creative player a decision which indicated complacency rather than the here and now. I am reminded of the trouble KK encountered from our fans when selling Andy( Andrew) Cole and not immediately replacing him. Sir Les was worth waiting for, mind.

    We do require a major overhaul from top to bottom and there is a pressing need to do our transfer business early to bed in a number of players. It’s not rocket science that we need more pace throughout the team and two widemen and ST are a must. I would like to see Yanga played at CB which means we need just I CB.

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  • DokToon

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:39 PM

    Comment #39

    guv,

    cant argue with being right 🙂 just a sorry state of affairs at nufc when we dont even try, and are okay with eating the scraps that the top clubs let us have…

    wolf,

    on that point, i can see why…. no fn ambition, and it starts at the very top (ashley)… nowhere in business would you get rid of your top product…. and stil expect to compete… MA may be a billionaire, but hes braindead at running a club properly imo…

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Apr 29, 2014 at 1:41 PM

    Comment #40

    Turkish,
    Not being pedantic, but it’s 52K.

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