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Alan Pardew May Need A Result At Liverpool

9:50 am, Wednesday, May 7th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 147 Comments

Everything was going to plan on Monday night, when after 75 minutes at Selhurst Park Liverpool were easily winning 3-0 against Crystal Palace, and going for more goals to improve their goal difference, since Manchester City’s is better.

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Alan Pardew – may need a win on Sunday

But then the unbelievable happened – something that certainly wasn’t in the script – and Crystal Palace (to their great credit) scored three goals in the last 11 minutes to draw the game, and now Liverpool have dropped 5 of the last 6 points, following their 2-0 defeat at home to Chelsea – they have choked.

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Of course Liverpool will still be trying to win the game on Sunday against Newcastle, and our defense is so porous these days, that it will be difficult to keep a clean sheet against the likes of Suarez and Daniel Sturridge.

And if Manchester City beat Aston Villa at home tonight, they will be two points ahead of Liverpool and will need only a draw in their last home game at home to West Ham on Sunday.

That’s because even if Liverpool beat us then superior goal difference will see City take the Premier League title with a draw, for the second time in three seasons, and that will show that it really does pay to spend £1B gross on your players over the last five years.

But you don’t need to spend that much to win the Premier League these days – maybe as little as half a billion would do it? 😀

City are in trouble with UEFA because they have flaunted the Financial Fair Play rules over the last three years – so we wonder if they will also be in trouble with the Premier League?

That’s a reasonable question to ask.

This is what the Newcastle manager has told the Shields Gazette today:

“It’s a tough call,” “We need to make sure we stay in the game and try and get a lead like Chelsea did, and see it through.”

“It’s a big game for the Premier League, and it’s a big game for us,” “We need to be right. As much as we’re pleased, we’ve got a week’s work left.”

“It’s an important week.”

And one motivation for our players is that the last league win at Anfield was back in April 1994, when Kevin Keegan’s team simply took them apart and there was only one team in it from the very first whistle.

We won 2-0. 😀

But we have beaten Manchester United and Tottenham on the road this season, and certainly a win or even a draw would be a great finish to what has become an extremely disappointing season, given where we were on Boxing Day.

The key on Sunday is staying in the game and not conceding, and Liverpool have shown this season that their defense is not strong, and that they can have mini-collapses when things are not going their way.

Maybe that will happen on Sunday, when millions and millions of TV viewers will be watching the game beamed live around the world.

It would be a be shock if we can get a draw and simply amazing if we can get a win, but if we can get a result, it would help raise the image of Newcastle United around the world – and that would be great, after such a terrible year.

And for Alan Pardew it could be that he needs to get a good result on Sunday at Anfield to keep his job?

What do you think?

Comments welcome.



Tags: Coaching · Newcastle News · Premier League




147 responses so far ↓

  • 1 BlacknWhiteBarmy // May 7, 2014 at 9:52 AM

    Cant see us getting anything – just hope citeh don’t falter

  • 2 beermonkey // May 7, 2014 at 9:58 AM

    its been a good season for the league winners goin to the wire and last relegation place yet to be decided
    the toon may not have been fun to watch but the league has
    I did enjoy the win at man u in the pub with my man you mates very enjoyable

  • 3 Ancientcoptic // May 7, 2014 at 10:01 AM

    The tactic for Liverpool – Sissoko bombing the flank attempting to recreate the goal he set up for Ameobi against Cardiff. If it works, Ameobi will be getting that contract extension.

  • 4 stuart no9 // May 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM

    Judging by pards last interview regarding bringing in new players in close season , it is still as clear as mud. Maybe’s could be’s, nothing positive .
    On sunday we play our last game , a game where we could get a good thrashing depending on how city get on tonight. Pardew needs to be reminded that last saturday wasnt a one off , the abuse has got to carry on from saturday . Banners must be seen , it has to be a very uncomfrtable day for pardew . It must not stop there, if he is in charge next season , then the abuse must begin again untill something changes.

  • 5 lesh // May 7, 2014 at 10:05 AM

    ‘We need to make sure we stay in the game and try and get a lead like Chelsea did, and see it through’……

    Oh, is that all Mr Pardew? Park the bus and nick a goal to win?

    Under Mourinho, that might be a remote possibility, however under our coaching supertar’s expertise, we won’t have a snowball in hell’s chance. We’ll get hammered, bus or no buses!

    Under the circumsances, we might just as well go for broke and get at the scouse gits from the start!

  • 6 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2014 at 10:07 AM

    from last thread

    doesn’t seem to hurt city or chelsea changing managers constantly

  • 7 Go toon gooooo // May 7, 2014 at 10:07 AM

    All of these written depends from tonight’s game.So let’s wait for that game.

  • 8 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM

    lesh

    stay in the game. yes where have we heard that before!!

  • 9 Average_Contents // May 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM

    That’s the puppets masterplan for all games Lesh lol

  • 10 beermonkey // May 7, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    average

    he doesn’t have a plan

  • 11 Spoof // May 7, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    lesh, totally agree with you, sitting back would play into their hands, if Liverpool do have a weakness it is their defence, we have to try to exploit that, if going for it ends up with us getting a bigger defeat then so what at least we would have gave it a go which is what we all want.

  • 12 Graeme // May 7, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Success, for P45DUE, at Anfield, will be keeping the margin of defeat down to single figures.

    I think he could possibly manage this – he does, after all, coach the defence personally!!! What could possibly go wrong eh!!!

  • 13 Jail for Ashley // May 7, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    STaylor for Ania against the leagues worst defence, says it all really.

  • 14 mindshaft // May 7, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    Yup – can only see a hammering, P45Due will set out to defend with 11 players behind the ball – as soon as they score we’ll fall apart.
    The only way to play Liverpool is to attack, they have a sh!te defence although I doubt we’ll get anywhere near it

    I’m going for a 7-0 home win although I could see this going to double figures

  • 15 mindshaft // May 7, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    Chelsea had two buses parked, unfortunately we barely have an old vw campervan

  • 16 toonarmydownsouth // May 7, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    “It’s a tough call,” “We need to make sure we stay in the game and try and get a lead like Chelsea did, and see it through.”

    Sounds like the game is sit back and hope Krul has a spurs repeat
    This is going to be a fusking rout, especially if some how Villa pull off an upset tonight

    Stuart no9 is right, the banners need to be flying, the chants need to be loud, the message needs to be change
    Don’t let the cockney mafia think they have weathered the storm

    Sadly the protest imo might of come a bit too late in the season, should of been during the 4-0 pasting we received off a p1ss poor manure team

  • 17 toonarmydownsouth // May 7, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    Saying that we’ll prob win 1-0 with a Shola goal and he’ll become player manager

  • 18 Jail for Ashley // May 7, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    Mindshaft,
    Even if City win tonight Lpool can still hope thry slip up against WHam, they are going to go all out against a team with their minds on far flung beaches or other clubs, Sheff wed have shipped eight and Ipswich nine, could Pardew have us go down in history, he wants to pack up and fcuk right off if he does.

  • 19 Jail for Ashley // May 7, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    tads,
    Shola three in a season, you’ll be saying Cisse might score next :)

  • 20 Laurent Robert 32 // May 7, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    Stay in the game = containment football for P45DUE

  • 21 Himanshu Dhingra // May 7, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    James Wilson of MUFC has same number of goals for the season as NUFC’s Shola Ameobi.

  • 22 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    Sorry to anyone who posted to me late afternoon yesterday. Important work call came in and then I had to dash out for an appointment.

    As always, some responses were sensible and polite and others were insulting and ignorant.

    I think the MAO brigade need to accept that not everyone agrees with the way they go about things, that our views are just as valid and that just because we don’t think they’re going about things the right way DOES NOT mean that we think Mike Ashley is amazing.

  • 23 Jail for Ashley // May 7, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    TDSarf,
    I hope it was a hospital appointment to get that mouth sewn up !

  • 24 Dude // May 7, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    Himanshu, LOL.

    Enjoy your postings, keep them coming.

  • 25 Munster Mag // May 7, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    DarnSarf, how are you mate. Strange season. Outside looking in, all looks ok – mid table, behind Southampton who seem to have better players than us, although that’s debateable too. Pardew had an excellent first hal;f to the season, and he was given NO credit for that on here. The second half was a disgrace, no bones about that. I think its fair to call for Ashley to leave, if he doesn’t understand that the club means an awful lot to people, and requires reasonable investment. Nothing crazy, just smart investment. We do need a fresh managerial approach, but Pardew was given credit for very little but some of the knuckle draggers on this site.

  • 26 Blofal // May 7, 2014 at 11:01 AM

    He is already talking about scoring a goal and parking the bus!

    You can’t park the bus against Suarez and Sturridge.. if they scored 3 against Pulis they will score 10 against us!

  • 27 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    JfA

    Don’t need my mouth to type you muppet…

  • 28 Jail for Ashley // May 7, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    Munster,
    Lilongwe descibed this season as a micrism of Pardews time here, an unspectacular start an excellent period followed by total collapse.

  • 29 ROSHAN MAGPIE // May 7, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    wow I am back in this blog after a very long time plenty of new id s here

  • 30 mag // May 7, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    Jail giving advice on mouthpieces, the biggest moaning old woman on the blog!

  • 31 ROSHAN MAGPIE // May 7, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    hey himasnahu ru Indian magpie

  • 32 mag // May 7, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    Jail a fan with no reason!

  • 33 Jail for Ashley // May 7, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    No you don’t but I bet you’d relentlessly carry on with a pencil in it if you lost your fingers.

  • 34 cyprus // May 7, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    Actually, I hope we don’t try to do a Chelsea AP. ie. defend for our lives and then hope to score a couple. We don’t have the defense to withstand that kind of bombardment and it will likely end with a dismal appearance (like Chelsea’s in truth) and a cricket score to boot (unlike Chelsea).
    I’m not saying we should go toe to toe. But, a ‘Crystal Palace’ is not impossible, for crying out loud. They defended well and had their chances, even when they were going down. In fact, hats off for their confidence and approach! Were we to concede 3, will we keep fighting? Will we threaten?
    BTW, Remy looks already gone. He was our worst player last game…

  • 35 martoon // May 7, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    HD @21 – I know you don’t like Shola but even you have to admit he has done a decent job in the matches he has played recently -at least he knows how to score goals.
    TDSouth – I would still prefer Ashley to sell but like you I don’t despise him as much as others do. Hopefully the protests at the last game may make him have a rethink.

  • 36 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    Munster Mag

    Hi fella. All good here thanks. Not sure if I wish I was in Newcastle or not this season!

    I’d like to see Pardew replaced because of his inability to adjust without Cabaye and also because I think he’s a terrible mouthpiece for this club. If he could just stick to talking about the game, maybe that would be ok, but we don’t have anyone else at the club who can talk about the other things…

    I’d like to see a new owner too, but the reality is that Ashley owns the club so there’s no real way to force him to sell. Actually, the protests might make him more inclined to asset strip our club for his own financial gain and leave us in a worse position when he does sell. There’s also the question of who he sells to. No doubt he’ll sell to the highest bidder as he now feels no allegiance to the club or the fans, so we could end up with someone like the owner at Hull, Cardiff of Blackburn. Basically, there’s no Geordie sitting on a billion quid just waiting for Mike Ashley to agree to sell.

    And yes….sad that Pardew wasn’t given credit for the first half of the season. It looked good until they screwed up and let Cabaye go without replacing him! And there’s no way this negativity won’t affect some of the players. If some of the fans aren’t backing the players, then some of the players might not put in that extra few percent for the fans either…

  • 37 Spoof // May 7, 2014 at 11:09 AM

    What the fans have got to do is stop this hammering of Pardew as it is just wrong, they really need to take the blinkers off and look at what is happening.
    Mistakes happen but you must learn from them and never make the same mistake again, almost 2.5 years ago we were doing well, we kept what we had and bought Cisse in January which propelled us as major top 4 challengers, however in the summer we did not capitalise and assemble a squad large or deep enough to cope with Europe, as a result we nearly went down, Ashley has learnt that lesson and this year he made sure that the same mistake would not happen again, without Europe we are ok, but after we beat Stoke 5-1 we were in 6th place and only 3 points away from the top 4, we were challenging again, but Ashley has learnt his lesson, rather than improve us as he did with Cisse 2 years earlier which nearly got us relegated the following season he made sure that would not happen again as he sold our best player which assured him that European football would not happen again, so anyone lambasting Pardew need to take their head out of the sand as the best manager in the world could not get the club to be where we fans believe it should be.
    Where we are is exactly where Mike Ashley wants us and he will not allow us to get any better so changing the manager would not help, all it would do is bring false hope, having said that if Pardew has lost the dressing room which he appears to have done then a new manager would be needed, but a new manager would not improve us as Ashley will not take that risk.

  • 38 cyprus // May 7, 2014 at 11:09 AM

    Martoon, he knows how to score goals. I like that :)

  • 39 Munster Mag // May 7, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    Jail, we had an excellent first half, full stop. Up to Christmas was v good overall. That’s why Sky etc are not looking to hammer Pardew. I think we have to be fair and balanced as I said before. hanging Pardew because HBA has failed at yet another club is not on. Modern football needs players to attack and defend, and he cant defend. Also, our chief scout is not the genius we said he was.

  • 40 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    JfA

    I really don’t know how to come back at your comments as they are truly the height of wit…so I’ll leave you to snort at your own jokes and daydream about the day you believe you got one over on me…have fun…

  • 41 cyprus // May 7, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    Spoof,
    points accepted BUT:
    Does MA set up the team? Does MA decide set plays? Does MA analyse the opposition? Can MA be blamed for the dismail displays of the 8th best paid team in the league?

  • 42 Jail for Ashley // May 7, 2014 at 11:13 AM

    So after 14 losses in 18 games it’s understanble if the players give up on the fans, fcuking incredible.

  • 43 mag // May 7, 2014 at 11:14 AM

    Jail couldn’t get one over on anyone, he’s a bitter little windbag!

  • 44 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    martoon

    I don’t think they will mate. Why would they? The fans don’t care about Mike Ashley and Mike Ashley doesn’t care about the fans, so why would he sell? Unless it’s in his interests to do so, why would he?

    That relationship was gone when a minority seriously overreacted when KK left the club. Most owners like to occasionally address the fans (direct or through a DoF/MD/chairman) but he hasn’t done that since the early days.

    It’s a vicious circle mate…Ashley screws up because he doesn’t get football, the fans go bonkers, Ashley gets pissed off so does whatever he wants, the fans go bonkers etc. etc…

  • 45 sweendog // May 7, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    Strange were not linked with victor Moses yet we are linked with Townsend or zaha etc… I reckon this could be a player we could be interested in

  • 46 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:21 AM

    The best fans in the world support the team through thick and thin. Man City fans got behind their club in the 3rd tier, Wolves fans did the same this season. I’m all for banding together to demand specific changes in the way this club is run, I just happen to disagree with creating a vibe of negativity on match day. And it’s not as if the vibe was amazing when we were sitting pretty in the league this season either…

  • 47 Spoof // May 7, 2014 at 11:22 AM

    cyprus, of course he doesn’t, but in fairness to Pardew what effect do you think the Jan window had on players morale, 3 points away from the top 4 they would have expected or hoped for some strengthening to try and push on, we sold our most influential player without replacing him, don’t get me wrong Cabaye is good but not super human, it wasn’t team weakening which destroyed us it was morale, they gave up and can you blame them, do you really believe that the Debuchy’s of this world came here to be mid-table at best, did you notice Debuchy throwing his shirt into the crowd after the Cardiff game, I read that as his saying goodbye and do you honestly believe that we will be able to attract players of his calibre with the set up as it is, its going to get harder and harder, and it all comes from the top, if a boss ties the hands of the people who he employs then the blame has got to lie with that boss.

  • 48 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2014 at 11:22 AM

    TDS

    Not that you ever write anything insulting and ignorant is it !! pot kettle black and all that.

  • 49 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    sweendog

    These links are mostly just paper talk mate. They’re not worth anything at all.

    I bet every PL club has had a look at all 3 of these players but we have no way of knowing which of them actually have them in their transfer plans this summer. Add Ince to that list too.

    But I doubt Townsend will move on unless the new Spurs manager doesn’t fancy him.

  • 50 wolfshead@toon // May 7, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    its fun in here this morning i do like blog handbags :-)

  • 51 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:27 AM

    Rotonda

    Ignorant? I don’t think so. I write my opinion based on what I know and I consider all of the facts that I am aware of. Occasionally someone has provided me with new facts but that’s hardly ignorance compared to some of the ill-educated gibberish that is said on here.

    As for insulting, I tend to say it as I see it and I usually word it carefully. Some people are incapable of having an intelligent conversation it seems and it doesn’t matter what I say, they twist the words, ignore most of what I’ve said and then argue against a point I didn’t even make in the first place. Those people are quite simply…idiots.

  • 52 wolfshead@toon // May 7, 2014 at 11:28 AM

    tds

    i think we were adapting to life without cabaye then pards got his ban and we nose dived it does make a difference having a manager on the touchline thats why the f a imposed it as a punishment but still it was another self inflicted wound

  • 53 bobby mango // May 7, 2014 at 11:28 AM

    I’ll be putting decent money on us losing by at least 2 goals. This tactic has been quite successful this year!

    Pardew’s management is that poor this is the only solace I can take from our maulings

  • 54 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    Munster

    There are far more than 1 reason (Ben Arfa) to want Pardew gone. As for Carr he’s working on the tightest budget imaginable and who knows how many potentially cracking signings he’s had the plug pulled on.

    I don’t buy that MYM, Cisse, Ben Arfa et al have all suddenly become dross.

  • 55 Himanshu Dhingra // May 7, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    If Newcastle United Lose on Sunday, it will be their 38th League defeat of last 2 seasons.

    one full season of defeats done in two seasons.

  • 56 Laurent Robert 32 // May 7, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    Spoof, the blinkers are well off. The underlying poor coaching is there for all to see when the individual goals don’t go in. There is no foundation under the nicking of points.

    Points wise we may have had a good first half, but we have looked clueless in the final third all year. That is poor. Disjointed football patched over by freekicks, mistakes and Remy’s ability to score goals out of nothing. The team should not collapse because a forward or midfielder is out. Cabaye was sprucing up his game to make the eyes with PSG and with the world cup.

    When we finished fifth it was disjointed and hopeful football until we played 433 for a few games which we played well.

    I said at the time that if we can pick up points when playing poorly then there’s two ways we can go. Play well and pick up more points, or still play poorly and get not as many points. Sure enough, relegation candidates last year and the abysmal performances and results continue this year.

    Even recently Pardull picked up 2 last minute winners to get a points boost. One through creativity by Hatem who he scapegoats and Remy through his own ability from a loose deflected ball.

    The underlying factor is poor and disjointed football patched over with fortunate and often undeserved goals.

    Keeping the ball on the floor more this year doesn’t mean we are playing good football. Neither does constantly shooting from long range due to the inability to create chances inside the box.

  • 57 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:31 AM

    wolfshead

    I think you’re giving quite a lot of credit to Pardew there to be fair…and regardless, as you said, it was his fault for getting banned in the first place.

    Most of the work should have gone on on the training ground. That is where Pardew should have drilled in the style we were supposed to play. In fact, it should have been done constantly as Cabaye could get injured or suspended too. You shouldn’t lose 1 player and then barely be able to play for several matches…

  • 58 wolfshead@toon // May 7, 2014 at 11:33 AM

    rotonda

    i dont think even pardews coaching includes rugby tackling players in the 18 yard box that dont pose a threat like haha

  • 59 Graeme // May 7, 2014 at 11:35 AM

    Martoon – are you having a laugh? Shola – Knows how to score goals!!!

    Really??, Are you sure?? In FOURTEEN YEARS he has scored something like 70 goals for NUFC – an average of FIVE PER YEAR!!!

    He has a worse record than Nolan, who was a Defensive Mid-fielder ffs. Anyone describing him as a “Striker” would be prosecuted under the Tades Descriptions Act.

  • 60 BlacknWhiteBarmy // May 7, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    does you lips not move when u type?

    Only joshing

  • 61 Laurent Robert 32 // May 7, 2014 at 11:39 AM

    All my huge dislikes of Pardew are the same for Ashley, just as much. Both are to blame in their own way for underwhelming acceptance of mediocrity.

    Mediocrity can be changed, acceptance and goal orientation of mediocrity cannot. That is what people like myself are annoyed with.

  • 62 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    Spoof

    It’s quite amazing the players we assembled and persuaded to come here. we had a real chance to build on the likes of Krul, Debuchy, Santon, Tiote, Cabaye, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Sissoko, MYM, Haidara etc etc.

    But first, top scorer Ba wasn’t enamoured with Pardew’s tactics and that was echoed by captain Colo.

    Cabaye was here when we finished 16th and played in 5 losing games in a 7 mach sequence just before he left. Our problems run much deeper than losing 1 single player.

    Our problems predominantly lie with a manager who has no plan B, C or D and a questionable plan A.

    Mix in team selections, negative tactics, bizarre subs, endless excuses, headbutts, players out of position, favourites picked ahead of those in form and you start to get a more rounded picture of the problem.

  • 63 Munster Mag // May 7, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    Rotunda, I don’t accept hat HBA is beyond responsibility. The same guy was praising pardew publicly a few months ago when he was doing well. I am not certain about Mbiwa. I think his pace covers him, but he doesn’t look like a good reader of the game, or a good header either. At least he doesn’t fill me with dread the way Santon did after a game or two. And I was shouted down then by guys on here. Many of whom KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME! Incidentally I am not saying that about you Rotunda.

  • 64 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:44 AM

    Graeme

    Nolan was definitely not a defensive midfielder! He played as an attacking midfielder, often roaming just behind the striker and he played as a striker several times too. He was a poor man’s Paul Scholes I guess.

  • 65 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2014 at 11:44 AM

    HD

    Wow that really is a shocking stat.

  • 66 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    Laurent Robert 32

    Very simple for me. The target next season needs to be top 8. The top 5 are just massive clubs and we can only compete with them if they falter, but we should be targeting competing with Everton, Spurs and Villa (I know Villa aren’t there either now). Everton and Spurs have been up there for several years now so we’re playing catch up but that should be the next step.

  • 67 Munster Mag // May 7, 2014 at 11:47 AM

    Rotunda, Pardew had a problem with Ba and Cisse. He likes to play 442 , as is his prerogative. but they didn’t work well together and didn’t get on as personalities. he made Ba top dog, which wasn’t the worse thing to do at all. Pardew can be a tool, but he is damned here no matter what he does. For example, if Pottecino plays 3 defenders he’s a genius, but if Pardew does, he doesn’t know what he is doing….

  • 68 wolfshead@toon // May 7, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    rotonda

    just think about moyes we will undoubtedly finish in the top ten and play consistently well but there would be a hell of lot of low scoring draws to watch
    you have to admit with pards its a roller coaster ride you never know what can happen lol

  • 69 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    Munster

    we could individually criticise every player to a degree but it’s the collective collapse and decline that is so worrying and that has to be down to poor or uninspiring coaching.

    Yes Ben arfa can frustrate, MYM can look poor at times and Santon don’t get me started!

  • 70 Munster Mag // May 7, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    Darnsarf, totally agree. Without a serious investment, we are scrapping with Saints. Of course that will be unacceptable to the geniuses here. However we do need to target the cups now, big time.

  • 71 Spoof // May 7, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    LR32, come m8 be fair, you can’t finish 5th purely on luck with only half a dozen decent games, I won’t get drawn into that type of debate as it is nonsense.

    If we look at our performances when we have had a vitually injury free squad then we have done well, we control the midfield and use the attacking fullbacks which Pardew always has in his to aid the frontman/men, we keep the ball down pass and move we play decent football, not KK entertainers standard but still decent to watch football, but people will not accept that even though it is true, the problem we have always had is that when we are missing 1 or 2 then the backup is woeful, we can’t blame Pardew, Carr or anyone else apart from Ashley for that as he just will not allow for a squad, and once you get 1 or 2 defeats the confidence goes and you really do struggle, that is what happened last season, the only difference from the 5th place finish to last season, the same difference from the first part of this season to the second part is confidence, its gone, and this season the confidence went to PSG in January.

    Don’t get me wrong, why Sissoko has never been allowed to play alongside Tiote which could allow Ben Arfa a bit more freedom, and why he still insists on playing Colo when he has clearly lost his legs annoys me as much as it annoys anyone, yes he makes some gaffs and yes he does daft things and yes his constant backing of Ashley drives me mad as well, but with a strong team he has got decent performances and results, but as I said earlier I feel that he has lost the dressing room so he should go, but a new manager will not make us any better as it seems that Ashley does not have improvements on his list of things to do.

  • 72 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:50 AM

    Fans have to be realistic about where we are as a club. The top 5 (City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelski) are massive clubs and the only way we can finish above them is if we have a cracking season and they have a bad one. So, champions league will always be an outside bet. Spurs and Everton have been in the top 10 of the PL for several years so they’re well established and we need to try and catch them.

    Either fans are going to remain miserable, or they just need to accept that 8th/9th is an ok finish. And ok needs to be good enough sometimes, not every season can be a 7 or 8 out of 10.

    There are clearly other problems with the owner and manager but our league position is ok.

    I’d give this season a 4 out of 10 for the actual football itself.

  • 73 martoon // May 7, 2014 at 11:53 AM

    Graeme – Nolan played full games, A lot of Shola’s appearances are as a sub for last 10 minutes etc. In our championship promotion year he was our top striker – I’m not saying he is Alan Shearer but not quite as bad as people like HD make out and he has done quite well in the last couple of games he has played.
    TDSarf what we need is a Henry Kissenger type figure to broker a peace deal between Ashley & the fans – do you fancy volunteering for the job :)

  • 74 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    Munster Mag

    The cups don’t pay though, that’s the problem.

    Actually the squads we put out in the cups were pretty good and were certainly no weaker than the squads that other clubs put out this season, so I don’t agree with that criticism at all.

    Saints are doing really well because they blooded some youngsters in the lower divisions and they are doing exceptionally well. It’s perfectly likely that one or two of them could leave this summer, Saints struggle, then the other top players want to leave and unless they invest the money very well, then they’re relegated in a season or two. We’ve seen it happen before to several clubs.

  • 75 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM

    martoon

    Ha! That’s exactly what we need!!

    But I think Ashley and some of the fans are too pig headed to actually listen unfortunately…

    Actually, I think the best bet would be for a fans group who has a manifesto that focusses on specific change required at the club. If I was in Newcastle, I might even speak to a few people about it, but sadly I’m not…

  • 76 Ciaran // May 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM

    Who the hell are you to tell us what constitutes a good season? That is a purely subjective analysis, yet you are so bleeding arrogant that you’re going to roll in here and tell us how we should be feeling and what we should be grateful of in terms of league finishes?

    Where do you get off?

  • 77 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:57 AM

    martoon

    By the way, I’m not suggesting myself as leader (even if you jokingly did!), but at least I’d like to discuss my ideas with some of the fans groups and see what they think. I believe they would be more effective if they had a more focussed approach.

  • 78 Himanshu Dhingra // May 7, 2014 at 11:57 AM

    RH

    Before That in 2011 he lost last 3 of 4

    Making it 41 defeats out of 80, Should we lose to Liverpool.

    Its a big IF though, Losing to Liverpool. 😉

  • 79 Laurent Robert 32 // May 7, 2014 at 11:58 AM

    Spoof, when Pardew’s fifth is the only one of his career then is it not fortunate? Surely not being fortunate would mean he’s done this before? He hasn’t. We had a goal difference of only plus 5. Says a lot with the amount of clean sheets we had that year.

    Disjointed football throughout most of the season was an observation by me, my dad, friends and other bloggers. We maintained that as we saw it. We weren’t be conned. Sure enough last year we were found out.

    All teams get injuries. To be expecting only to play well when your team is fit is a poor excuse. The team is a team. Team is made up from a squad. Even if we don’t get the extra goals to win the game, the style of football should remain similar as people shoild know their roles and how they fit in to the system.

    We don’t have that and Pardew reminds everyone when a player is injured that it is a majot problem yet the idiot doesn’t remind people of the full strength team to play Sunderland and many of the other teams.

    He is a liar and a joke of a man.

  • 80 wolfshead@toon // May 7, 2014 at 11:58 AM

    tds

    i think martoon was taking the piss

  • 81 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    Ciaran

    Who the hell are you then? I have just as much right to tell you my views on the season as you do. You’re constantly on here banging on your political drum so at least have the decency to allow others to offer their opinions without constantly attacking them.

  • 82 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    wolfshead

    I know! As you can see by my second post! :-)

    I kinda realised that I hadn’t properly addressed that in my first post…

  • 83 Spoof // May 7, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    RH@62, you have pretty much summed up the problem, yes we have some decent players on the surface, but when you scratch beneath the surface you then have Anita, Marveaux who are clearly not premier league standard as is Shola, Sammi, is Dummett, bit too early to judge yet, Saylor is ok, the point is we have a poor backup squad which always gets found out, if thats not the case then why is that we do ok with a confident and fit squad but as soon as the back up get called upon we fall away, that is not coincidence, they simply are not poor, so if you wish to lambast Pardew then fine do so, but only do in a fair manner, he makes enough mistakes to satisfy your desire to hammer him without adding and blowing things out of proportion.

  • 84 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2014 at 12:00 PM

    Wolfs

    That is the frustrating thing. The 6 games we played in a 433 a couple of years back when due to injury or bad form he was forced to play Ba, Cisse and Ben Arfa in a front 3 were great to watch.

    However, the only consistent thing with Pardew is that even when things are going well he will always hit the self -destruct button and he doesn’t seem to have the skill set to adjust to situations.

    When Ba wanted away Pardew was never tempted to keep playing 433 with Benny one side of Cisse and Marv the other. It may not have worked but he never tried it once.

    Similarly now we could have had Remy playing left of a front 3 with Cisse in the middle and Ben Arfa on the other side. Again never tried.

    We could even have had a 343 with Debuchy
    and Haidara as attacking wing backs. You guessed it, never tried.

    Putting 10 men behind the ball for 70 mins and hoping to nick a goal at the death every single game is only ever going to work for you on a handful of occasions. The evidence the rest of the time is there for all to see.

  • 85 Ciaran // May 7, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    TeDiouS

    I share my OPINIONS. I don’t tell people how they should be viewing the season. You’re the one rolling in here telling us that we should be content with a top 10 finish, well newsflash buddy, there are thousands of fans who are NOT content with that, so what do you have to say to them?

    I suppose these are the fans who are making us such a laughing stock to your buddies at other clubs…pathetic. Utterly pathetic.

  • 86 Himanshu Dhingra // May 7, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    Martoon,

    Mate Shola Ameobi is a Terrible striker. Terrible.

    Forget about scoring, as you say he does not get Minutes.

    He can’t run, He fouls people, Argues with refs and wastes time.

    All he is good for is HOOF.

    If he played for any other side he would be but of all jokes in here.

    Would Like to know What your opinion of Emile Heskey, Carlton Cole, Kenweyne Jones, Darren Bent, Peter Crouch is?

    He is Hopeless!!!!!!!!!! Get Over it.

  • 87 Laurent Robert 32 // May 7, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    Watching containment football all year round. What is the point?

    Football should be enjoyed and players should be encouraged to express themselves no matter the opposition. Pardew does not do that at all. He will contain against anyone and everyone. That is pathetic and fearful football.

  • 88 Big pec // May 7, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    The point is players should have already been brought in, all us fans have been put through absolute filth since xmas beacuse the owner wants his bargains!!, he has made his bed hes getting the backlash for it yet again, he must be a fella who wears a gimp mask and has things inserted in to his orifices regulary, beacuse he enjoys giving and taking pain.

  • 89 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 12:03 PM

    Ciaran

    I think I’ve made it quite clear that if you expect an answer to any of your posts, don’t start with a childish insult.

    I will send you to Coventry and ignore you completely instead as you can’t seem to behave like an adult.

  • 90 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2014 at 12:05 PM

    I have no problem playing 3 at the back. i think it’s the way to go, having a sweeper, rather than trying to play offside with 2 really slow CBs.

  • 91 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 12:06 PM

    Big pec

    The owner wants bargains because that’s the way he does business. I think we have to face it that occasionally we won’t get as many players in that we would like because he’s not willing to pay over the odds.

    BUT…it’s absolute rank failure to sell your best player without replacing him. They could have insisted he stay until the summer and they should certainly have got a replacement lined up if they really needed to let him go.

    Without the bargain hunting, we wouldn’t have been able to afford all of the players we got in the first place. Cabaye, Ba, Tiote, Sissoko and the rest were all excellent deals.

  • 92 Big pec // May 7, 2014 at 12:06 PM

    To be honest Liverpool have won over 40 trophies since we last won one, do i feel sorry for them at the moment, mmmmm no, but it would be a huge upset if our motly crew beat them, in fact the biggest shock of the season by some way.

  • 93 Spoof // May 7, 2014 at 12:06 PM

    LB, up until beating Sunderland in the League cup the Man City manager had never won a trophy in Europe, so is he a poor manager who has just been lucky this season, or has he just never been at a club where he could show what he is capable of, its the same with Brendan Rodgers, he was taking Reading down before they got rid of him, is he a poor manager who is having a lucky season at Liverpool.

    How is it a poor excuse, if you players aren’t fit and the ones coming in aren’t good enough then results and performances will suffer, that is not a poor excuse that is a fact of life, unless of course you feel that Shola, Obertan, Sammi etc are good enough.

  • 94 SuperShearer // May 7, 2014 at 12:06 PM

    Pardew was at the game at Selhurst Park the other night so he will know that if you set up like Chelsea and Palace did there is a way through Liverpool. Defend deep and in numbers, play quick players in a front 2 or 3 and look to hit them hard and fast on the counter. If they need a win, which could well be the case after tonight, then they will be nervous as will their fans. Simply put, Pardew should play 5 at the back and look to frustrate them early on before hitting them on the counter in the second half.

  • 95 wolfshead@toon // May 7, 2014 at 12:07 PM

    spoof

    i disagree about tayls i think hes punching above his weight however i like him and i think he earns his place in the squad as he is the only one who in the team would die for the cause and always looks like he is honoured to pull on the shirt
    plus he has comedy value haha

  • 96 Ciaran // May 7, 2014 at 12:08 PM

    TeDiouS

    Boo-hoo Mark. Amazing how sensitive you have become all of a sudden. Never mind, you’re in the minority, how do I know? Because I meet Newcastle United fans (not fans of other clubs), in their hundreds and talk to them about how they feel this season has went.

    Luckily enough, the overwhelming feeling is not one of gratitude as you so obliviously have espoused, but one of frustration, anger and disillusionment.

    You really are clueless to the general feelings of fans, (or at the least the significant amount I have spoken to) so I have no need to truly invalidate it, because you invalidate yourself with your ludicrous nonsense.

  • 97 wolfshead@toon // May 7, 2014 at 12:10 PM

    rotonda

    have you never thought pards might be a fan of old school italian football get a 1 goal lead then sit on it haha 😉

  • 98 Spoof // May 7, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    LB-LR

  • 99 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    It reminds me of a playground when the gobby minority would go around insulting anyone who thinks differently. It’s such a shame when this blog should be about exchanging ideas and discussing the future of our great club.

  • 100 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    spoof

    Who made Pardew split up the Willo / MYM partnership?

    Who made him play MYM as RB or Cisse as a winger or Gouffran as a defensive left mid etc etc?

    These are self inflicted. Pardew had 2 world beaters at West Ham and couldn’t find a place for them in front of that mind boggling talented duo of Haydyn Mullins and Harewood!!

    So is giving Pardew more and better players the answer?

  • 101 Ciaran // May 7, 2014 at 12:17 PM

    Only it’s not the minority opinion any more. Yes, only around 5,000 people walked out of the ground on Saturday, but thousands more stood up and applauded them, and ensured that there was a toxic atmosphere towards Ashley and Pardew. Thousands more boycott the stadium completely.

    Do you think these people are feeling “content” or grateful for this top 10 finish? Or do all these NUFC fans make us look bad to those buddies of yours Darn Sarf?

  • 102 Big pec // May 7, 2014 at 12:17 PM

    Sarf, i know MA goes for his near out of contracts and so on and for him they were good deals, everyone likes a bargain dont they, but there is a time when you have to pay the going rate isnt there, MA always wants top dollat for our players that are sold dosnt he, Grenier and Cabella could have been bought in in the inter window if the correct money had been offered, yet again the valuations were under and we failed to get them over the line(every time i look at AP ithink of that straight away)

    We have made what look like decent signings i agree but you have to build, you cannot miss that moment, we have missed it to often now beacuse of so called finances they say we havnt got, i dont believe that, MA has his business ethic that has seen him amass near on 4 billion quid, but he is dealing with peoples passion that rank just underneath family in most cases and rarely above with some of our supportes he is playin games with our minds, his wealth is all that he is bothered about, he has a solid cast iron exterior, but he has overstepped the mark now way to many times, new signings or not this man in charge cannot be forgiven.

  • 103 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 12:19 PM

    I walked away to go get my lunch but then I just realised something…

    Ciaran/Ruddy is essentially just a bully. A sad little cyber-bully. Now I have no idea what he’s like in real life (he maintains that he’s wonderfully charming and agreeable though) but on here he has all the aspects of a bully. Name calling, insults, twisting what I’m saying, even changing my name to suit. And I wasn’t even talking to him!

    Classic bully and completely pathetic.

  • 104 wolfshead@toon // May 7, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    ciaran
    there was one negative in the abuse that was rained down is any prospective replacement going to have that in his mind if offered a job

  • 105 ToonDarnSarf // May 7, 2014 at 12:21 PM

    Big pec

    One issue is that if you prove yourselves as willing to pay the going rate, then all selling clubs know that and it can push the prices up. But…I 100% agree that Cabaye should not have been sold unless we bought a replacement. It doesn’t matter what that player cost, he needed to be lined up first. If the right deal wasn’t there, then Cabaye shouldn’t have left. Cock up. Cabaye was crucial to the way our team played.

  • 106 Ciaran // May 7, 2014 at 12:23 PM

    And Mark is so inept at countering anything I have said that he is using tired diversionary tactics to take the focus off the substance of his argument to then shift it on to me – however he is shifting the focus on to my personality as opposed to my argument.

    I have twisted nothing. You slated our fans for protesting because in your words, it looked bad to your friends who were fans of other clubs.

    Nothing has been twisted, but it suits your agenda to play the victim.

  • 107 Laurent Robert 32 // May 7, 2014 at 12:23 PM

    Spoof, before we were hammered at home by Liverpool 6-0 Pardew told us he would be going for goals.

    He leaves Ben Arfa and Gouffran on the bench and has one forward. He is either lying again, or delusional.

    At Charlton and West Ham the fans sussed Pardew out and held demonstrations to get him out of there. Ashley wasn’t as those clubs, nor was Cabaye sold.

    He left out Tevez and Mascherano (yes that old chestnut) for Harewood. See our forwards for Shola.

    His touchline antics are a disgrace as I was told by a person who has worked with him. He isn’t a pleasant character and he doesn’t play nice football. He also has broken a heap of awful records here as well as at West Ham. Coincidence? No.

  • 108 Spoof // May 7, 2014 at 12:23 PM

    TDS, it will be difficult for someone with your views at this particular moment in time as the hostility and bad feeling is at such a high level towards Ashley, its everywhere m8, its in our homes at the work place pubs, everywhere so you do need to understand the resentment which at times comes your way as to some it feels like a slap in the face, I realise that you have no wish or desire to offend or upset people, but really you do need to be up here to appreciate the anger amongst us, and it is clearly down to one man, Mike Ashley, so you may have to be tolerant and understanding as the feeling really is toxic and due to so many who were supportive of Ashley who have now joined with the majority who want him out then someone like yourself does stand out and will get the backlash, this is also what is happening to Pardew,because he is the only face that we see from the club he is also getting the backlash.

  • 109 Ciaran // May 7, 2014 at 12:25 PM

    Wolfs

    Are you referring to a new manager? Given how Pardew is 99% safe in his job I’m not considering that possible impact. Also, it has taken 3 1/2 years for the fans to turn on Pardew, and that’s solely because he is the sole mouthpiece for a poisonous owner.

  • 110 Ciaran // May 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    ….and a pretty terrible manager too I might add.

  • 111 Big pec // May 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    Sarf, many many times i stood up for MA i knew he could build HIS business?!?! but he has just used us as fodder for SDirect, i sorrybut no advertising paid to NUFC for 7 years of continuous advertising is incredible, and im pretty sure he dreams up these situations he puts us in to create more publicity, he is a master of it without doubt, but it means our fans getting continually licked in the stones, he can make all the money he wants, but im sick of this fella playing with our heads, at some stage in the coming season get ready again beacuse there will be more surprises in store, publicity profit publicity profit, SD rule his world.

  • 112 Graeme // May 7, 2014 at 12:28 PM

    TDS @ 64 – No problem, I’ll accept Nolan as an attacking midfielder and part time attacker. Shola is supposed to be an out and out striker – someone who is supposed to score goals, regularly, throughout the season.

    Shola fails, spectacularly.

  • 113 NEoffers.co.uk // May 7, 2014 at 12:30 PM

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  • 114 wolfshead@toon // May 7, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    pec

    i assume you meant kicked lad haha

  • 115 Spoof // May 7, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    LR, I’m not sure what you are trying to prove, I have already stated that he does make errors, the fact that I don’t feel he is as bad as some make out is fair comment, well to me it is, what happens at other clubs makes no difference as he is now here and not their, as stated earlier Pellegrini has only won 1 trophy in Europe, by beating Sunderland, does that make him poor, Reading who’s fans idolise Pardew for what he done for them got rid of Rodgers because he was shocking for them, Graeme Souness had won trophies at most if not all the clubs that he had managed before he came here, Dalgliesh done wonders as a manager at Liverpool and Blackburn before he came here, Pardew got West Ham into Europe and he got them their highest premier league placing after he got them promoted, he got Soton to Wembley and to the fringes of the play-offs after starting the season with a 10 point penaly, Soton are still playing with some of the lads which Pardew took their, so like most managers he has done well at some clubs and not so well at others, but what does that prove, it proves nothing at all.

  • 116 lesh // May 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    Just imagine the reaction in the red half of Liverpool if we did beat Liverpool on Sunday.

    They’d see it as a bigger disaster than er, you know what!

  • 117 Belfast // May 7, 2014 at 12:35 PM

    Do you get a drink with that breakfast NEoffers.co.uk ?

  • 118 Big pec // May 7, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    Oh jees wolfshead, slip of the tongue there ha ha!

  • 119 mindshaft // May 7, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    I don’t blame Pards or Ashley for selling Cabaye as it was obvious we had no choice and he had already thrown his toys out the pram and been on strike once, my main gripe is that there seemed to be no attempt to replace him.
    I presume they thought Anita (despite obvious limitations ) would slot into the role, however Anita is neither a defensive or attacking mid and given that we have very little movement from the rest of the team he has no one to pass to so has just started doing Parker type pirouettes!

  • 120 Big pec // May 7, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    Mindshaft, Anita has got very little preesnce, hes wea as water, decent passing ability but to lightweight for the prem, and Sissoko is always jumping out of challenges, not consistant enough and for the second season in a row went missing for 5/6 games when the going got tough, if iwere an opposing midfielder i would love to play against those two, the French naturally back off when their back is against the wall.

  • 121 aidytoon9 // May 7, 2014 at 12:53 PM

    Let’s never accept where we are now as ok,as we should always want better.
    I believe with a decent owner who invests decent money and a good manager there is no reason why we can’t make the champs league.
    I say never accept this tosh that we have seen this season!!!!

  • 122 Laurent Robert 32 // May 7, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    Spoof, I’m getting at that whilst Pardew complains about injuries and people being out, it is his decision to actively leave out players who are fully capable of doing a better job than the ones he plays.

    He complains that Hatem needs more goals and assists yet he plays Jonas last year who had zero assists and Shola who has a career long phobia of the ball and scoring goals.

    His chest beating stance after his goal the other day was embarrassing.

    Pardew slates the youngsters as not good enough yet he’s just been bigging up that we have great youngsters coming through.

    When he did bring Campbell and Armstrong on he plays them as defensive wingers.

    Sissoko is a good ball carrier, but he is not a winger. He doesn’t have the crossing ability which a winger should have. Therefore most of the time the end product will be very poor.

    Every team gets injuries. Pardew is no different but he constantly bangs on about it, yet he leave out more than capable players. That’s what I’m getting at.

  • 123 theartfuldodger // May 7, 2014 at 1:00 PM

    TDS,

    You say..
    There are clearly other problems with the owner and manager but our league position is ok.

    Doesent that mean that we were just plain simple lucky.

  • 124 JAMSHA // May 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM

    PARDEW IS A CHUT

  • 125 JAMSHA // May 7, 2014 at 1:12 PM

    any1 plays cs 1.6?

  • 126 Spoof // May 7, 2014 at 1:16 PM

    LR, we will have to agree to disagree as I don’t see enough poor decisions from Pardew to class our results from January as being his fault, I would have Sissoko alongside Tiote who would offer better cover for Ben Arfa if he was on the right wing than what Anita does, for me Anita is dreadful both defensively and going forward, anyone can play a simple 10 yard pass to make their pass stats look good, but through balls which open defences up do not exist in his game, another change I would make is Mbiwa for Colo, Colo is very poor and even though Mbiwa seems to lack concentration and make mistakes I still feel that he would be better than Colo, apart from that I don’t see what other mistakes he is making, and they are just my view, some would keep it as it is, Marveaux, Shola, Sammi and Obertan are simply just poor quality players, so if you don’t have the players with sufficient ability then you will struggle, people say that Pardew is a poor coach, I don’t see his coaching sessions so I can’t comment on them, but what I do know is that the best coach in the world cannot make a poor player good, a good coach can get the best out of his players as we have seen with Ba, Simpson, Guthrie, Cabaye who have all done well under Pardew’s guidence to then struggle when going elsewhere, apart from Forster who plays in a team which is way superior to any other in that league I do not recall any player leaving us to then go on and flourish under a different manager, so what are these glaring mistakes which are holding both the club and the players back ?

  • 127 Spoof // May 7, 2014 at 1:24 PM

    LR, you mention about the kids, does he give then enough time, no I don’t think he does, but again being young doesn’t mean that you will be good, Ferguson isn’t exactly setting the world on fire at Brum, Vuckic, Campbell amongst others have had loan spells where they have struggled, even Sammi failed at Boro, are these kids good enough, as for Armstrong and the crop coming through now time will tell and we are getting info that Pardew is more hopeful with this lot than what he was with the kids from the past, Kadar, Campbell, Vuckic and Ferguson were just not quite good enough.

  • 128 magpie6699 // May 7, 2014 at 1:25 PM

    I’m confident of a result at Liverpool – unless the match is abandoned. My predicted result is a heavy defeat.

  • 129 Laurent Robert 32 // May 7, 2014 at 1:50 PM

    Spoof, the glaring mistakes could be listed in great length. If you can’t see them, I doubt you will. People frequently mention them.

    We’ll agree to disagree. People have their own views which is fine. I see patterns in the game and what runs people make and what others are doing to help out. Our general movement off the ball going forward is atrocious on the whole. Totally off the cuff and on a pass by pass basis.

    I’ve sat in the same seat at St. James’ for over 20 years so it is a good comparison to see different eras of football and how they differ. I’d waited to see if Pardew’s disjointed football to get to fifth could be improved upon or whether he’d be found out with more poor performances without the nicking of goals.

    That was indeed the case last year.

    Persistent containment football is completely unacceptable for me. Games against tough opposition where a game-play is drawn up is one thing, but defending with a hope of a goal is not. He plays that way against the top or the bottom teams.

    That is unacceptable in its own right. Especially with some of the players he has at his disposal.

  • 130 Laurent Robert 32 // May 7, 2014 at 1:55 PM

    Spoof, I agree that just because they’re young it doesn’t mean they’re good. However, playing 17 and 18 year olds in their first few games out of position is awful management. That is a basic management skill and he even fails at that. What hope does he have of developing them if he can’t even do that right?

    I do believe that one of the reason he gives some of the young players their debuts early is so that he can crow about them later to fuel his over-inflated ego. If they happen to turn out OK he gets the plaudits. If they fail, people will just forget, It’s a win-win for him.. Just like he does at West Ham to this day even though the fans generally wanted rid of him with similar protests to what have been going on here.

  • 131 Whumpie // May 7, 2014 at 1:55 PM

    I’m conflicted. :(
    If Villa get something against Citeh tonight then would I want to beat the bindippers and thereby hand the title to yet another set of billionnaires who’ve just bought the success?
    I’ve enjoyed watching Chelski drop out of it, beaten by what is just a better-run club with more gifted people. I just wish Citeh would falter and fail too, for the sake of the game.

    But if it’s 1-1 with 10 minutes to go, will I want that more than a win at Anfield?

    GNNNEAARRRGHH!

    Still – it’s all moot. We’ll be 7-0 down by then…

  • 132 Munster Mag // May 7, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    Darnsarf, we did send out weaker teams in the cups. Last season against Brighton we sent out the reserves ! This year we rested Remy, our only decent striker. I assume Ashley wanted it this way in order to maximise league placing. Sadly he doesn’t understand the glory of cup football that teams like Swansea and Wigan have experienced.

  • 133 Spoof // May 7, 2014 at 2:09 PM

    LR, people see what they want to see and either cannot or will not accept that they could have it wrong, a perfect example is this containment football, what a load of nonsense that is, at times we like other clubs are under the cosh due to our opponents winning the midfield battle, it happens to most teams but when it happens to us its containment football, you look at how Pardew prefers to set his teams up, it is always with 2 attacking fullbacks and when you have that and play like that then you need your midfielders to drop back and cover for them, Batty, Clark and Rob Lee all done that in KK’s team, but when Pardew insists on his men doing the same he gets accused of trying to turn wingers into defenders because he is so negative, thats complete rubbish, what he wants is a team which will work so that the full backs can get forward, think back to Jose Enrique bombing forward with Jonas working hard so we aren’t exposed at the back, but then look at how often Santon gets exposed, Jonas had lost his legs by the time Santon arrived and Santon has not had the same support which was allowed to Enrique, but when Pardew tries to address this issue he gets slagged off and accused of using dinosour tactics, like I say, people see what they want to see and won’t look at what is happening, you’ve been watching for over 20 years so you will be fully aware of the hard work that the Shearers, Beardsley’s and Lee’s put in, just as the Messi’s, Suarez’s and Ronaldo’s do now so why do we insist that Pardew is a dinosaur when he expects the same effort from his players.

  • 134 Spoof // May 7, 2014 at 2:16 PM

    LR, I do accept that he should do more for the kids, personally I don’t think we have seen any in the last few years who are good enough but Armstrong does by all accounts appear to be that little bit better than what we have had of late so he should have been given more time, 10/15mins at the end of a game is not enough to help the lad, for the life of me I don’t know why he has not started in 1 or 2 of these end of season games, give the kid a chance as its the only way we will ever find out if he’s good enough or not, its the same with the young centre half, Satka, lets have a look at him, what harm could be done when the season ended weeks ago.

  • 135 gazzaforever // May 7, 2014 at 2:18 PM

    Spoof = Manxpie

  • 136 Average_Contents // May 7, 2014 at 2:22 PM

    Anyway the secret footballer has spoken! Bearing in mind we don’t know who it is, I think being a current pro in the premier league he might be more inclined to know more than us! Kinda explains the puppets problems I think!

    The underused Ben Arfa hasn’t played much at Newcastle this season for reasons largely unknown. Whenever this sort of thing happens, something that doesn’t seem to make any sense on the surface, people always cry “foul” – something MUST have happened.
    But all the digging that I’ve done has turned up the same answer. In his desperation to stop the rot after Yohan Cabaye left for Paris Saint-Germain, Newcastle boss Alan Pardew decided to bypass the football side of the game and go with a more direct style.
    After an argument after the Manchester United game, Ben Arfa was chosen as the sacrifice. Now that it hasn’t worked, Newcastle having lost 14 of 23 games since, Pardew is left only with his ego to protect.
    A good manager does his best for the team; a bad manager makes mistakes generally because his ego won’t allow him to make the necessary changes to correct a problem.
    I don’t think the Newcastle players can be accused of not trying. I think it’s obvious to everyone who knows anything about football that they are sorely lacking in guidance and structure as a team.

  • 137 The next Mike Williamson // May 7, 2014 at 2:26 PM

    For the last few years our teams value has been about the 6th or 7th highest in the league, and I guess after a few signings it will be next year to. So it’s crazy that Pardew thinks coming 8th will be an achievement.

    We have to get a progressive passing manager but I think Ashley is too afraid to take a risk so he’ll go for someone with a proven (albeit mediocre) CV. Steve Bruce, Moyes, Redknapp. Sunderland will once again play better football than us and pass rings around our grafters who will put in an honest shift.

  • 138 Laurent Robert 32 // May 7, 2014 at 2:26 PM

    Spoof, our wingers overlap, but Pardew compensates with the wingers dropping right back to babysit the fullbacks, thus defeating the object of having full-backs joining the attack. The midfielders are defensive based therefore are also cautious and don’t overlap into the box centrally. That is management.

    In my opinion, Marveaux has a wonderful final ball at times. He most definitely is good enough if he’s played just behind the forwards and the aim is to get him to make that pass as often as possible. I’d accept his flaws in favour of his creativity. Again, this is opinion, but I’ve seen his weighted passes and intricate vision and I think he has a lot to offer in the right team.

    The slogging about the pitch would be left to Tiote and Sissoko. Much like what Viera said Arsenal would do with Pires. Robert Lee said the same thing about Ginola. There needs to be balance.

    Telling the world we were going to attack Liverpool yet play 5 non-attacking midfielders and leaving Hatem and Gouffran on the bench isn’t attacking the team. Another of his lies. Beaten 0-6.

    If you think we don’t play containing football then I really don’t know what else to say. Pardew on many occasions talks about staying in the game til late on and it shows in the play of the team. Awful.

    Pedro used to track back greatly, quite right. Robert Lee used to as well. Some players do, but over the years players also don’t don’t do that as much too.

    Ginola and Robert were very poor at it, but unlike Ben Arfa, they weren’t blamed for it and the team was based round going forward so they could shine. Ben Arfa doesn’t have that luxury.

    Matt Le Tissier, Berbatov, Cassano are all players who don’t do much tracking back, but add to the team with what they can do and can be great to watch. Under Pardew I think it’s fair to say that they could well have been scapegoated as well by Pardew.

    Pardew doesn’t know what to do with flair players, so he compensates his lack of management skill with plodders and sloggers to look bumbling and busy without really having a clue of tactics and planning.

  • 139 Average_Contents // May 7, 2014 at 2:28 PM

    I know it isn’t gospel but I’m inclined to agree, after all he must know players and managers and must hear things! Key words for me are: Ego, scapegoat and structure to our play!

  • 140 DokToon // May 7, 2014 at 2:39 PM

    gmorning all,

    posts 133 through 139 are why i joined this blog, quality from all… unlike the bickering and namecalling earlier…

  • 141 wolfshead@toon // May 7, 2014 at 2:42 PM

    dok

    il take your word for it mate i dont read long posts im a 1 paragraph man myself lol 😉

  • 142 stan anderson // May 7, 2014 at 2:45 PM

    Would not mind a good hiding at Liverpool mind if it proved to be the factor in losing him his job,the tosser that he is.

  • 143 Average_Contents // May 7, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    Ok then wolfie just for you

    Secret footballer: pardspew used benny as scapegoat, once Cabaye left he played direct and bypassed playing football, when it didn’t work his ego wouldn’t allow him to change things thus keeping him out the team, no guidance or structure to our play

    That about covers it lol!

  • 144 validator // May 7, 2014 at 2:49 PM

    Out of the two Northeast teams Sunderland have definitely had the most exciting season. A cup final a semi final and avoiding relegating, whilst Newcastle Uniteds season ended in January.

  • 145 Greebol1892 // May 7, 2014 at 2:59 PM

    “Phil K // May 7, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    Liverpool leading 0-3 – Pardew appears on screen and they end up 3-3. Pardew even having effect on other clubs !!!”

    Brilliant comment!!!
    Shame his Groucho Marx tache & cigar fell off just before the camera panned onto him!

  • 146 Mister Tuff // May 7, 2014 at 3:17 PM

    TDS – earlier you posted:-
    “Either fans are going to remain miserable, or they just need to accept that 8th/9th is an ok finish. And ok needs to be good enough sometimes, not every season can be a 7 or 8 out of 10.”

    You paint a miserable picture of the future as to what you think is our fate.
    The whole concept of professional sport is to win and to entertain fans/spectators along the way. By having a mentality of defeatism – blocks the mentality of aspiration/hope/dreams -which is the ideal of most fans.

  • 147 catchy in norway // May 7, 2014 at 3:24 PM

    spoof

    my reasoning for not wanting P45due at our club is footballing issues only

    the season we finished 5th, for me we were poor, 5th place was great, we got into a fantastic position, and he p45due choked when he could and should have gone for 3rd or 4th,
    many of the games that season , I was left thinking how we got points out of the game, defend defend defend , nick a goal and more defending,
    for me there were no foundations set for us to kick on, all we did that season was lump the ball long to BA, we had a spell for about 6 weeks where he pushed Ba out to the left and HBA CISSE CABAYE looked amazing, but that did not last long, Cabaye was told to play DEEP along side TIOTE & JONAS,

    the season after, was a pure disaster , pardew blames EL, but in the early stages he was making 9 changes a game, he blamed injuries, and I have proved many times on here, that was not the case, we fielded strong enough teams to win most of the games we were not winning, I think it was 22 game run with out a win, we finished 16th, the most shocking football iv have ever seen us play
    people say EL had an impact, Swansea finished 9th last season 46 points, there on 39 points this season with a game left, that’s not much difference
    we finished 5th with 65 points, the season after we finished on 41 points, 24 point difference
    Swansea did that with a weaker squad than ours and there top goal scorer out most of the season

    this season has been another shocker, the games we win are down to wonder goals or individual bits of skill,
    we so the same free kicks, lump it to Williamson , how many have we scored from that in 3 years ?? none, we are the worst in the prem from corners, we still have to many players out of position, I mean come on, we had 3 left backs on the pitch a few weeks ago,

    we do not play football under P45due,

    I have not gone into any of the things he has done like push a ref, scream abuse to a fellow manager, nut a opposition player ,

    then we could have a look at all his excuses, ” my team was to hyped” ” the local press are to hard on me” I mean come on my team were to hyped,? we never got a man sent off, we hardly had a shot at goal, and this was a derby where we had just lost the last derby 3-0, the team should have been hyped up, they should have going out there to prove that the 2 last derbies were behind them, but no,

    this is not a man being bullied for no reason, this is just fans who see where the club is going under a man in charge, and not liking it, we want a change, we need a change,
    if anything, he is pardew is winding up the fans more and more by coming out and saying im not going to quit, im here for the long term, then hiding in the dug out,

    he carnt hide for more years




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