Newcastle Failed To Bring Top Youngsters Through The Ranks


We can definitely see a number of our youngsters leave the club the club this summer,  and they are likely to include Shane Ferguson, James Tavernier, Haris Vuckic, Conor Newton and possibly Mehdi Abeid,

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Ben Tozer – a once promising full-back from Swindon Town
He’s now at Northampton Town


All have been sent out on loan last season, and the only two have done well are James Tavernier at Rotherham,  and Algerian U23 International Mehdi  Abeid at Greek club Panathinaikos.

These are players who have now reached or surpassed 21 years of age, and when they cannot make the first team at that age, they are not going to make it.

And since Mike Ashley started the push back in January of 2008, towards recruiting top young players for the Newcastle Youth Academy,  we have not had one youngster come through the ranks at Newcastle to become a regular first team player.

Maybe Sammy Ameobi is the nearest to that – but hes been injured all year, before coming on in the second half at Liverpool yesterday.

It’s a very poor record that has been acknowledged by the club,and our latest young hopes are players like Adam Armstrong, Curtis Good, Remie Street, Freddie Woodman  and Adam Campbell, although Adam has not been able to get a starting place at St. Mirren this year, while on loan in Scotland.

We have had some real promising youngsters come to Newcastle and then leave without making it,  and they include Brad Inman, Ben Tozer, Fabio Zamblera, Jeff Henderson, Joan Símun Edmundsson, Kazenga Lua Lua, Ole Soderberg, Ryan Donaldson, Samuel Adjei, Tamas Kadar, Wesley Ngo Baheng, Yven Moyo and Ole Soderberg – among others.

Those names will no doubt bring back some memories of just how promising some of those youngsters were thought to be,  while they were still on Newcastle’s books.

If Newcastle are going to be a power in the game again, with the emphasis there on if – with Mike Ashley’s complete lack of ambition for the club, we have to do a lot better in getting top youngsters to Tyneside.

But we then have to coach them in such a way that they eventually become first team players at Newcastle.

We haven’t done that in the last seven years under Mike Ashley – that’s for sure.

Comments welcome.


269 comments so far

  • JackButler

    May 12, 2014 at 3:47 PM

    Comment #1

    This, for me, is the biggest worry about the club. We have and have had some very promising youngsters at the club all of who have fallen away into nothing and the half-arsed way the way club is being run is not only affecting what we see with the senior squad, but I fear the rot is killing any future potential we may have

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 12, 2014 at 3:57 PM

    Comment #2

    Jack,
    For me, this is Ashley’s biggest failing. The entire premise of how he wanted the club to function was based on a production line of players good enough to challenge first team, and the odd exceptional talent coming in. This was both to maintain a decent level and bring in finance for re investment etc. He got it completely wrong with the people he hired to fulfil this task, and by sticking with them he is making it worse.

    Had he got the youth progression and development setup right, then his whole model for the running of the club would, in my opinion, be an excellent way for the club to run.

    It is the same old ams old with Ashley, he continually employs people ill equipped to fulfil important roles. After 7 years, I’m not sure there is ope that he ever will.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 12, 2014 at 3:58 PM

    Comment #3

    Jack,
    Uruguay eventual winners? Do you mean of the group, or the whole thing??

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  • JackButler

    May 12, 2014 at 3:59 PM

    Comment #4

    Lilongwe Geordie

    the whole thing mate, outside bet I know, but you heard it here first 😉

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  • nut meg

    May 12, 2014 at 4:02 PM

    Comment #5

    It’s highly unlikely that players will make it to the first team & stay there if the coaching isn’t up to the required standard.It has been mentioned a few times on here that we have a lot of international 16/17 year old kids who seem to stand still or go back over when they get to the reserve level.Maybe we should be questioning why that is happening.We have highly qualified coaches at the lower age groups maybe it’s time to move them further up the ladder.

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  • Average_Contents

    May 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    Comment #6

    Wtf is Phil “saggy brown vinegar boobs” Jones doing anywhere near the England squad….oh wait he plays for manure and cost a lot! He’s proper dogshit!

    And Henderson? He only plays well in the system Rodgers uses as proven by the fact he played shite for them before Rodgers arrived, don’t get me wrong he’s been good this season but as I said only with that system, are England likely to play with it? Are they fcuk lol

    Boring boring boring

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    Comment #7

    Jack,
    I backed Colombia last August, Falcao’s injury is a bit of a blow, hopefully he will make it!

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    May 12, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    Comment #8

    TDS
    My views are no more biased than yours there have been many holes in your defence of Ashley
    Also your list, hypothetical or not is just as easy to counter as your points of why someone of Lukaku’s calibre wouldn’t join

    It’s all down to opinion, not sure why you feel the need to be a condescending p***k about about it but hey ho

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  • Average_Contents

    May 12, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    Comment #9

    This made me chuckle then realisation set in that it probably would be seen as an act of defiance in fatty dictatorship lol

    Taken from the mag!

    In a rare moment of deviating from the strict Mike Ashley imposed script, in this video of the post-Liverpool press conference Alan Pardew is asked a question by an NCJ (Chronicle) journalist.

    Despite NUFC press officer Wendy Taylor warning him not to answer, Pardew ignores her and answers the journalist’s question and his follow-up.

    That will be the two of them in hot water with the fat controller! (Probably more chance of Pardew being sacked for doing this, rather than losing 15 of the last 21 matches)

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    May 12, 2014 at 4:14 PM

    Comment #10

    Lilo
    That’s what he has done throughout the club through his whole tenure

    Come up with a plan that looks great on paper but then made stupid appointments and done things on the cheap in key areas of the clubs infrastructure

    Like you said after 7 years there doesn’t seem to be much hope he’ll eventually get it right

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    May 12, 2014 at 4:19 PM

    Comment #11

    @2:

    Ashley started well enough in the right direction with Young Talent with the intention of signing them and developing them ? The Youth Academy was set up with his money but all the best facilities in the world are no use if the club does,nt employ the Training staff to develop their talent? Then you have a Manager who just leaves them in the reserve team without letting them have the chance to move up to an eventual debut in the first team !

    Then at the end of the day when a player does make it,
    ( Carroll ), then he is Sold after one season to the highest bidder. While Carrol may not have been worth 35 Mil , if this is how the Club wants to work i don,t find it surprising that the last time we won anything substantial was in 1969 !

    This is typical of how Cashley,s mind works, Profit on his investment before Success !

    Unfortunately, it won,t change until after another Owner takes us over?

    Ashley is not the reason the youth hav,nt succeeded but the Bad training methods employed at the club ! Alot of talent has been just wasted and for what?

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 12, 2014 at 4:21 PM

    Comment #12

    Tads,
    Yeah, directors, executives, management, coaching staff, none of it done on any sort of merit basis it would appear. Actually, I didn’t mind Chris Mort too much, seemed like a decent bloke, and probably could have done okay if we had someone who knew football working with him. But I guess he had a bit too much integrity to continue putting up with the farce.

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  • toon22

    May 12, 2014 at 4:27 PM

    Comment #13

    Just look at the points tally from each season since MA bought the club.

    Its an average of 43 ish.

    The guy is a disaster for us,the only good thing to come from it all is that while he lets us languish where we are the clubs value will wither away.Once the crowd eventually get sick and stay away all that will be left is an expensive ground that wont make him money,a team devoid of value and a brand badly tarnished.Eventually all those tatty adverts will be a detriment to his shoddy sports shops.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 12, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    Comment #14

    NewExpat,
    I doubt it will change while Ashley is here, but to say it won’t because this is how Ashley wants it is wrong. He would much prefer to have talent coming through that he could use to prop up the team, and sell for a high fee when a top youngster comes through.

    Ashley is the reason that the coaching staff aren’t up to scratch. He could go through a proper recruitment process and bring in proven coaches. Instead he goes for yes men like Beardo and Pards, while picking up other staff up off the scrap heap such as Carver, Richardson, Watson. Had he actually got someone in with the credentials to assess the suitability of the players then he would have been able to hire the correct staff.

    On Ashley putting in the money to develop the youth set up, the youth set up was in place before Ashley came along, down in a large part to Glenn Roeder’s work before he took over first team duties. The fact we now have category 1 status is because Wonga out the money forward for some of the minor improvements as stated by the club when the deal was made. So Ashley has actually had little impact other than recruitment which is the problem.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 12, 2014 at 4:30 PM

    Comment #15

    suitability of the coaches, not the players….

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    May 12, 2014 at 4:32 PM

    Comment #16

    @14:

    Thanks for bringing me up to speed , its a crying shame that we have all the facilities and are,nt using them properly !

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 12, 2014 at 4:33 PM

    Comment #17

    It isn’t even like it is difficult to organise a proper recruitment drive. He could quite easily contract it out to a specialist Sports Recruitment Agency, or evvn hire a specialist full time from one of these recruitment agencies. It would take him minimal effort.

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  • The next Mike Williamson

    May 12, 2014 at 4:34 PM

    Comment #18

    I’m afraid to say that Beardsley has to take a lot of the responsibility. It’s well known that he can’t coach. Move him upstairs. Also Pardew is too afraid to play youths because they’re not as good at following orders to sit back etc.

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  • guvnor

    May 12, 2014 at 4:36 PM

    Comment #19

    Newcastle United have never been renowned for bringing young players through.

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  • guvnor

    May 12, 2014 at 4:37 PM

    Comment #20

    As long as they sign some quality in the summer.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 12, 2014 at 4:40 PM

    Comment #21

    NewExpat,
    It is maddening that all it would take is to up the standard of coaching from U17’s up!

    At U16 level we have one of only 13 coaches who have an Elite Coaches Certificate, (Coaches require B license, then A license, then Pro License, finally an Elite Award). We have another of those 13 at a younger level as well. The pair of them are more qualified than anyone dealing with the players older than 16.

    While I am over the moon we have uch good coaches, why can’t we embrace a higher level throughout the club!

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 12, 2014 at 4:41 PM

    Comment #22

    acquire, not require

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 12, 2014 at 4:45 PM

    Comment #23

    Apologies, for some reason some letters don’t seem to want to work……

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  • beermonkey

    May 12, 2014 at 4:49 PM

    Comment #24

    Lilongwe Geordie@21

    that’s interesting where did you find that out

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    May 12, 2014 at 4:50 PM

    Comment #25

    Lilo
    Fully agree
    The coaches are not up to standard and most certainly aren’t on the same wavelength through the club
    There’s no identity or philosophy on the pitch at any level so it’s little wonder next to no players really come through

    On Chris Mort
    Said a few months befor Llambias parted company with us that I would love to see Mort back
    Very sensible lad , good rappor with the fans and would of been great with a proper DoF
    Sadly as you say he was very quick to distance himself, can’t say i blame him!

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 12, 2014 at 4:55 PM

    Comment #26

    Beermonkey,
    I used to work as a scout, dealing with youngsters in the North East, getting them loans to lower league clubs for a company called the Scouting Network, so I know a few of the youth team staff anyway, but it was also publicised by the Chronicle, Mag, and the club themselves when they got the award. The coaches, Liam Bramley and Neil Winskill had to go and travel round some of Europes top clubs as part of the course, including Ajax, and Barca.

    Another one of the 13 is the bloke I would get to replace Pardew, Gary White, but it is way to outside the box for Ashley to even consider ever doing. But he would be cheap, used to dealing with (very) limited resources and a proven record in getting the most from people. So successful in developing players that the US Olympic committee redesigned their development program based on his methods.

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  • Graeme

    May 12, 2014 at 5:01 PM

    Comment #27

    The Next Mike @ 18.

    If, as you say, the Youth Coaches – Beardley – aint good enough, why move them upstairs? What will it achieve?

    If they aint good enough, get them out the club.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 12, 2014 at 5:03 PM

    Comment #28

    Graeme,
    I guess the point on moving Beardsley upstairs is more to an ambassadorial role, rather than the playing field. He will still be highly respected by former and current players alike, so as an ambassador like Bobby Charlton at Man U, there could be a job for him in that capacity.

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  • beermonkey

    May 12, 2014 at 5:06 PM

    Comment #29

    Lilongwe Geordie

    this gary white he works for us already ?

    so apart from have our coaches in the wrong areas
    in your opinion what else would it take to sort it our youth system

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  • Graeme

    May 12, 2014 at 5:10 PM

    Comment #30

    Lilongwe – you mean “Jobs for the Boys?

    If he cant fulfill the role he is employed for, why is he there. Thats the whole problem with this club. Far too many people not at the top of their game; failing to deliver – and that starts with the Owner!!

    As it is acknowledged that, in reality, he knows F All about Football, the logical step is to employ someone who does. Preferably, this person should have had NO previous dealings with NUFC, so his review of the club, from top to bottom, is based on the reality of the situation.

    Anyone, whoever they are, who is not at the top of their game, able to deliver the requirements needed, should be sacked. Competant replacements should be recruited before the new season starts and the impact on the club, as a whole, would be immense and for the better!!

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  • toon kk

    May 12, 2014 at 5:10 PM

    Comment #31

    All this talk of who MA should get as our new manager is a waste of time. Pardew is here to stay. Even if he left MA would just pick his own choice of yes man.
    let’s just hope we get some v good players through the door, but there will be a tight budget so expect a similar strength of sqad for next season .

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    May 12, 2014 at 5:11 PM

    Comment #32

    JB…I think you can compare the situation we have with the youngsters with what we are seeing at the first team!

    …too many players fall from grace at NUFC

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    May 12, 2014 at 5:12 PM

    Comment #33

    Ohh…and what wad so strange about the Ameobi sending off? My stream was a little unstable when it happened 😉

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  • validator

    May 12, 2014 at 5:15 PM

    Comment #34

    Bobby Charlton is a polar opposite of Peter Beardsley, and Newcastle United, Charlton is bona fide club legend, who stayed at the club all his career, unlike Mr Beardsley, who jumped ship for Liverpool, as soon as Newcastle United began to struggle.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 12, 2014 at 5:15 PM

    Comment #35

    No, Gary White is national team manager of Guam at the moment. Liam Bramley and Neil Winskill are the 2 at NUFC.

    I said last summer, that the ideal DoF to help us progress the kids for Ashley’s ‘master plan’ would be Dario Gradi. I still stand by that and believe he could help improve the infrastructure at the club.

    Good quality coaches are crucial, but there also needs to be a philosophy throughout the club. All the youth teams should play the same style as the senior team, so when that opportunity arises they already know their role and part in the system.

    We also should be more active in linking with other clubs that have a record of developing players, as well as more active in partnering with academies and clubs globally. The first one so that we can send our players on loan there in the knowledge that they can help them develop. For the global partnerships we should be looking to be able to pick up the top youngsters.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 12, 2014 at 5:18 PM

    Comment #36

    Graeme,
    I don’t think you will have any arguments on improving recruitment.

    Beardsley is very close with Ashley, and will unlikely be removed from the club. Nothing wrong with him being in an ambassadorial role with little responsibility. Just cause he can’t coach doesn’t mean he can’t do that.

    As it is, he would be out completely if it was up to me. I’m just suggesting reasoning for the Next MW’s post.

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  • toon kk

    May 12, 2014 at 5:22 PM

    Comment #37

    Jasper
    not sure about shola, our players weren’t happy about the free kick decision which led to their goal. Before the game restarted shola gave the ref a piece of his mind, was yellow carded then he said something else and received another yellow and was sent off.

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  • Tsunki

    May 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM

    Comment #38

    Mmmmmm….Gary White…

    Yeah baby, we got it goin’ awwwn…

    You’re my first my last my everything

    C’mon sing with me now….

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  • validator

    May 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

    Comment #39

    Mr Tskunki, don’t call is we’ll call you, for that effort.

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  • Tsunki

    May 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

    Comment #40

    Hang on…

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