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Newcastle Failed To Bring Top Youngsters Through The Ranks

3:43 pm, Monday, May 12th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 269 Comments

We can definitely see a number of our youngsters leave the club the club this summer,  and they are likely to include Shane Ferguson, James Tavernier, Haris Vuckic, Conor Newton and possibly Mehdi Abeid,

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Ben Tozer – a once promising full-back from Swindon Town
He’s now at Northampton Town


All have been sent out on loan last season, and the only two have done well are James Tavernier at Rotherham,  and Algerian U23 International Mehdi  Abeid at Greek club Panathinaikos.

These are players who have now reached or surpassed 21 years of age, and when they cannot make the first team at that age, they are not going to make it.

And since Mike Ashley started the push back in January of 2008, towards recruiting top young players for the Newcastle Youth Academy,  we have not had one youngster come through the ranks at Newcastle to become a regular first team player.

Maybe Sammy Ameobi is the nearest to that – but hes been injured all year, before coming on in the second half at Liverpool yesterday.

It’s a very poor record that has been acknowledged by the club,and our latest young hopes are players like Adam Armstrong, Curtis Good, Remie Street, Freddie Woodman  and Adam Campbell, although Adam has not been able to get a starting place at St. Mirren this year, while on loan in Scotland.

We have had some real promising youngsters come to Newcastle and then leave without making it,  and they include Brad Inman, Ben Tozer, Fabio Zamblera, Jeff Henderson, Joan Símun Edmundsson, Kazenga Lua Lua, Ole Soderberg, Ryan Donaldson, Samuel Adjei, Tamas Kadar, Wesley Ngo Baheng, Yven Moyo and Ole Soderberg – among others.

Those names will no doubt bring back some memories of just how promising some of those youngsters were thought to be,  while they were still on Newcastle’s books.

If Newcastle are going to be a power in the game again, with the emphasis there on if – with Mike Ashley’s complete lack of ambition for the club, we have to do a lot better in getting top youngsters to Tyneside.

But we then have to coach them in such a way that they eventually become first team players at Newcastle.

We haven’t done that in the last seven years under Mike Ashley – that’s for sure.

Comments welcome.



Tags: Newcastle Academy · Newcastle News · Newcastle U18 · Newcastle U21 · Premier League



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269 responses so far ↓

  • 1 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 3:47 PM

    This, for me, is the biggest worry about the club. We have and have had some very promising youngsters at the club all of who have fallen away into nothing and the half-arsed way the way club is being run is not only affecting what we see with the senior squad, but I fear the rot is killing any future potential we may have

  • 2 Lilongwe Geordie // May 12, 2014 at 3:57 PM

    Jack,
    For me, this is Ashley’s biggest failing. The entire premise of how he wanted the club to function was based on a production line of players good enough to challenge first team, and the odd exceptional talent coming in. This was both to maintain a decent level and bring in finance for re investment etc. He got it completely wrong with the people he hired to fulfil this task, and by sticking with them he is making it worse.

    Had he got the youth progression and development setup right, then his whole model for the running of the club would, in my opinion, be an excellent way for the club to run.

    It is the same old ams old with Ashley, he continually employs people ill equipped to fulfil important roles. After 7 years, I’m not sure there is ope that he ever will.

  • 3 Lilongwe Geordie // May 12, 2014 at 3:58 PM

    Jack,
    Uruguay eventual winners? Do you mean of the group, or the whole thing??

  • 4 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 3:59 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie

    the whole thing mate, outside bet I know, but you heard it here first ;)

  • 5 nut meg // May 12, 2014 at 4:02 PM

    It’s highly unlikely that players will make it to the first team & stay there if the coaching isn’t up to the required standard.It has been mentioned a few times on here that we have a lot of international 16/17 year old kids who seem to stand still or go back over when they get to the reserve level.Maybe we should be questioning why that is happening.We have highly qualified coaches at the lower age groups maybe it’s time to move them further up the ladder.

  • 6 Average_Contents // May 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    Wtf is Phil “saggy brown vinegar boobs” Jones doing anywhere near the England squad….oh wait he plays for manure and cost a lot! He’s proper dogshit!

    And Henderson? He only plays well in the system Rodgers uses as proven by the fact he played shite for them before Rodgers arrived, don’t get me wrong he’s been good this season but as I said only with that system, are England likely to play with it? Are they fcuk lol

    Boring boring boring

  • 7 Lilongwe Geordie // May 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    Jack,
    I backed Colombia last August, Falcao’s injury is a bit of a blow, hopefully he will make it!

  • 8 toonarmydownsouth // May 12, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    TDS
    My views are no more biased than yours there have been many holes in your defence of Ashley
    Also your list, hypothetical or not is just as easy to counter as your points of why someone of Lukaku’s calibre wouldn’t join

    It’s all down to opinion, not sure why you feel the need to be a condescending p***k about about it but hey ho

  • 9 Average_Contents // May 12, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    This made me chuckle then realisation set in that it probably would be seen as an act of defiance in fatty dictatorship lol

    Taken from the mag!

    In a rare moment of deviating from the strict Mike Ashley imposed script, in this video of the post-Liverpool press conference Alan Pardew is asked a question by an NCJ (Chronicle) journalist.

    Despite NUFC press officer Wendy Taylor warning him not to answer, Pardew ignores her and answers the journalist’s question and his follow-up.

    That will be the two of them in hot water with the fat controller! (Probably more chance of Pardew being sacked for doing this, rather than losing 15 of the last 21 matches)

  • 10 toonarmydownsouth // May 12, 2014 at 4:14 PM

    Lilo
    That’s what he has done throughout the club through his whole tenure

    Come up with a plan that looks great on paper but then made stupid appointments and done things on the cheap in key areas of the clubs infrastructure

    Like you said after 7 years there doesn’t seem to be much hope he’ll eventually get it right

  • 11 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // May 12, 2014 at 4:19 PM

    @2:

    Ashley started well enough in the right direction with Young Talent with the intention of signing them and developing them ? The Youth Academy was set up with his money but all the best facilities in the world are no use if the club does,nt employ the Training staff to develop their talent? Then you have a Manager who just leaves them in the reserve team without letting them have the chance to move up to an eventual debut in the first team !

    Then at the end of the day when a player does make it,
    ( Carroll ), then he is Sold after one season to the highest bidder. While Carrol may not have been worth 35 Mil , if this is how the Club wants to work i don,t find it surprising that the last time we won anything substantial was in 1969 !

    This is typical of how Cashley,s mind works, Profit on his investment before Success !

    Unfortunately, it won,t change until after another Owner takes us over?

    Ashley is not the reason the youth hav,nt succeeded but the Bad training methods employed at the club ! Alot of talent has been just wasted and for what?

  • 12 Lilongwe Geordie // May 12, 2014 at 4:21 PM

    Tads,
    Yeah, directors, executives, management, coaching staff, none of it done on any sort of merit basis it would appear. Actually, I didn’t mind Chris Mort too much, seemed like a decent bloke, and probably could have done okay if we had someone who knew football working with him. But I guess he had a bit too much integrity to continue putting up with the farce.

  • 13 toon22 // May 12, 2014 at 4:27 PM

    Just look at the points tally from each season since MA bought the club.

    Its an average of 43 ish.

    The guy is a disaster for us,the only good thing to come from it all is that while he lets us languish where we are the clubs value will wither away.Once the crowd eventually get sick and stay away all that will be left is an expensive ground that wont make him money,a team devoid of value and a brand badly tarnished.Eventually all those tatty adverts will be a detriment to his shoddy sports shops.

  • 14 Lilongwe Geordie // May 12, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    NewExpat,
    I doubt it will change while Ashley is here, but to say it won’t because this is how Ashley wants it is wrong. He would much prefer to have talent coming through that he could use to prop up the team, and sell for a high fee when a top youngster comes through.

    Ashley is the reason that the coaching staff aren’t up to scratch. He could go through a proper recruitment process and bring in proven coaches. Instead he goes for yes men like Beardo and Pards, while picking up other staff up off the scrap heap such as Carver, Richardson, Watson. Had he actually got someone in with the credentials to assess the suitability of the players then he would have been able to hire the correct staff.

    On Ashley putting in the money to develop the youth set up, the youth set up was in place before Ashley came along, down in a large part to Glenn Roeder’s work before he took over first team duties. The fact we now have category 1 status is because Wonga out the money forward for some of the minor improvements as stated by the club when the deal was made. So Ashley has actually had little impact other than recruitment which is the problem.

  • 15 Lilongwe Geordie // May 12, 2014 at 4:30 PM

    suitability of the coaches, not the players….

  • 16 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // May 12, 2014 at 4:32 PM

    @14:

    Thanks for bringing me up to speed , its a crying shame that we have all the facilities and are,nt using them properly !

  • 17 Lilongwe Geordie // May 12, 2014 at 4:33 PM

    It isn’t even like it is difficult to organise a proper recruitment drive. He could quite easily contract it out to a specialist Sports Recruitment Agency, or evvn hire a specialist full time from one of these recruitment agencies. It would take him minimal effort.

  • 18 The next Mike Williamson // May 12, 2014 at 4:34 PM

    I’m afraid to say that Beardsley has to take a lot of the responsibility. It’s well known that he can’t coach. Move him upstairs. Also Pardew is too afraid to play youths because they’re not as good at following orders to sit back etc.

  • 19 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 4:36 PM

    Newcastle United have never been renowned for bringing young players through.

  • 20 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 4:37 PM

    As long as they sign some quality in the summer.

  • 21 Lilongwe Geordie // May 12, 2014 at 4:40 PM

    NewExpat,
    It is maddening that all it would take is to up the standard of coaching from U17′s up!

    At U16 level we have one of only 13 coaches who have an Elite Coaches Certificate, (Coaches require B license, then A license, then Pro License, finally an Elite Award). We have another of those 13 at a younger level as well. The pair of them are more qualified than anyone dealing with the players older than 16.

    While I am over the moon we have uch good coaches, why can’t we embrace a higher level throughout the club!

  • 22 Lilongwe Geordie // May 12, 2014 at 4:41 PM

    acquire, not require

  • 23 Lilongwe Geordie // May 12, 2014 at 4:45 PM

    Apologies, for some reason some letters don’t seem to want to work……

  • 24 beermonkey // May 12, 2014 at 4:49 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie@21

    that’s interesting where did you find that out

  • 25 toonarmydownsouth // May 12, 2014 at 4:50 PM

    Lilo
    Fully agree
    The coaches are not up to standard and most certainly aren’t on the same wavelength through the club
    There’s no identity or philosophy on the pitch at any level so it’s little wonder next to no players really come through

    On Chris Mort
    Said a few months befor Llambias parted company with us that I would love to see Mort back
    Very sensible lad , good rappor with the fans and would of been great with a proper DoF
    Sadly as you say he was very quick to distance himself, can’t say i blame him!

  • 26 Lilongwe Geordie // May 12, 2014 at 4:55 PM

    Beermonkey,
    I used to work as a scout, dealing with youngsters in the North East, getting them loans to lower league clubs for a company called the Scouting Network, so I know a few of the youth team staff anyway, but it was also publicised by the Chronicle, Mag, and the club themselves when they got the award. The coaches, Liam Bramley and Neil Winskill had to go and travel round some of Europes top clubs as part of the course, including Ajax, and Barca.

    Another one of the 13 is the bloke I would get to replace Pardew, Gary White, but it is way to outside the box for Ashley to even consider ever doing. But he would be cheap, used to dealing with (very) limited resources and a proven record in getting the most from people. So successful in developing players that the US Olympic committee redesigned their development program based on his methods.

  • 27 Graeme // May 12, 2014 at 5:01 PM

    The Next Mike @ 18.

    If, as you say, the Youth Coaches – Beardley – aint good enough, why move them upstairs? What will it achieve?

    If they aint good enough, get them out the club.

  • 28 Lilongwe Geordie // May 12, 2014 at 5:03 PM

    Graeme,
    I guess the point on moving Beardsley upstairs is more to an ambassadorial role, rather than the playing field. He will still be highly respected by former and current players alike, so as an ambassador like Bobby Charlton at Man U, there could be a job for him in that capacity.

  • 29 beermonkey // May 12, 2014 at 5:06 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie

    this gary white he works for us already ?

    so apart from have our coaches in the wrong areas
    in your opinion what else would it take to sort it our youth system

  • 30 Graeme // May 12, 2014 at 5:10 PM

    Lilongwe – you mean “Jobs for the Boys?

    If he cant fulfill the role he is employed for, why is he there. Thats the whole problem with this club. Far too many people not at the top of their game; failing to deliver – and that starts with the Owner!!

    As it is acknowledged that, in reality, he knows F All about Football, the logical step is to employ someone who does. Preferably, this person should have had NO previous dealings with NUFC, so his review of the club, from top to bottom, is based on the reality of the situation.

    Anyone, whoever they are, who is not at the top of their game, able to deliver the requirements needed, should be sacked. Competant replacements should be recruited before the new season starts and the impact on the club, as a whole, would be immense and for the better!!

  • 31 toon kk // May 12, 2014 at 5:10 PM

    All this talk of who MA should get as our new manager is a waste of time. Pardew is here to stay. Even if he left MA would just pick his own choice of yes man.
    let’s just hope we get some v good players through the door, but there will be a tight budget so expect a similar strength of sqad for next season .

  • 32 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 12, 2014 at 5:11 PM

    JB…I think you can compare the situation we have with the youngsters with what we are seeing at the first team!

    …too many players fall from grace at NUFC

  • 33 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 12, 2014 at 5:12 PM

    Ohh…and what wad so strange about the Ameobi sending off? My stream was a little unstable when it happened ;)

  • 34 validator // May 12, 2014 at 5:15 PM

    Bobby Charlton is a polar opposite of Peter Beardsley, and Newcastle United, Charlton is bona fide club legend, who stayed at the club all his career, unlike Mr Beardsley, who jumped ship for Liverpool, as soon as Newcastle United began to struggle.

  • 35 Lilongwe Geordie // May 12, 2014 at 5:15 PM

    No, Gary White is national team manager of Guam at the moment. Liam Bramley and Neil Winskill are the 2 at NUFC.

    I said last summer, that the ideal DoF to help us progress the kids for Ashley’s ‘master plan’ would be Dario Gradi. I still stand by that and believe he could help improve the infrastructure at the club.

    Good quality coaches are crucial, but there also needs to be a philosophy throughout the club. All the youth teams should play the same style as the senior team, so when that opportunity arises they already know their role and part in the system.

    We also should be more active in linking with other clubs that have a record of developing players, as well as more active in partnering with academies and clubs globally. The first one so that we can send our players on loan there in the knowledge that they can help them develop. For the global partnerships we should be looking to be able to pick up the top youngsters.

  • 36 Lilongwe Geordie // May 12, 2014 at 5:18 PM

    Graeme,
    I don’t think you will have any arguments on improving recruitment.

    Beardsley is very close with Ashley, and will unlikely be removed from the club. Nothing wrong with him being in an ambassadorial role with little responsibility. Just cause he can’t coach doesn’t mean he can’t do that.

    As it is, he would be out completely if it was up to me. I’m just suggesting reasoning for the Next MW’s post.

  • 37 toon kk // May 12, 2014 at 5:22 PM

    Jasper
    not sure about shola, our players weren’t happy about the free kick decision which led to their goal. Before the game restarted shola gave the ref a piece of his mind, was yellow carded then he said something else and received another yellow and was sent off.

  • 38 Tsunki // May 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM

    Mmmmmm….Gary White…

    Yeah baby, we got it goin’ awwwn…

    You’re my first my last my everything

    C’mon sing with me now….

  • 39 validator // May 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

    Mr Tskunki, don’t call is we’ll call you, for that effort.

  • 40 Tsunki // May 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

    Hang on…

  • 41 mag // May 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM

    Tskunki the medallion man of the blog!

  • 42 Tsunki // May 12, 2014 at 5:28 PM

    Validator – when you think you qualify for a critics job, I’ll be waiting. So far I’d keep your day job. Sorry I’ll rephrase that. Errrr….

  • 43 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 12, 2014 at 5:30 PM

    Toon kk…it was just that Ed had an article where he said the sending off was strange!

  • 44 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 5:30 PM

    Get on Tskunki, you beegee of the toon!

  • 45 Tsunki // May 12, 2014 at 5:30 PM

    Validator, mag and guvnor, the chronically obese laptop imprisoned father /son(s) combo of hilarity. Not in a good way either.

  • 46 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 5:32 PM

    Tskunki creeping around Heaton in his flares medallion and balding nappa!

  • 47 Jail for Ashley // May 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM

    It will be very interesting to see how quick Villa gets sold !

  • 48 Tsunki // May 12, 2014 at 5:34 PM

    Didn’t Fatso dowd tell Shola he’d get another yellow if he whined again, to which he asked ‘what you’d send me off for protesting our case?’ upon which he showed him the second yellow? Something like that.

  • 49 mag // May 12, 2014 at 5:35 PM

    Oh dear! What a sight for sore eyes!

  • 50 ToonDarnSarf // May 12, 2014 at 5:35 PM

    TADS

    Frustrating because you bang on the same old drum about the finances despite not having a firm grasp of how finances work in a business. I wouldn’t claim to be an expert in this area but I do know business. I know a bit about football tactics and players in general yet there are several people on here who are qualified coaches and others who live abroad so might have actually seen some of our foreign links play live rather than others basing their abilities off a YouTube clip or FIFA…not saying you do, but you know the people I mean.

    I’m saying that you’re bashing your head against a brick wall when complaining about the finances, because your arguments just don’t make sense. It’s not a matter of opinion here, it’s just that those particular arguments of yours are not accurate. Now you’ve come up with plenty that are accurate and plenty that may be but are a matter of opinion. My point is that I wish fans would be a bit more united and focus on the issues that actually have some basis in fact.

    Call me condescending if you like, but you keep banging the same drum about the finances and when I make a general point you try to pick the details apart despite it being clear I was generalising.

    You honestly believe that the only thing stopping us from getting Lukaku is Mike Ashley not wanting to spend the money?? You think that if all clubs offered the same money that he’d rather come to us rather than play for a team he knows in the Europa League? Or move to Spurs who have been knocking on the door for the CL for years? Or maybe Liverpool need another striker? Maybe Chelsea want to keep him? Athletico are likely to lose Costa so who is to say they don’t want Lukaku instead of Torres? And there are teams in Italy, France and Germany who would be interested in him if they want a striker too.

    So…even if we’re prepared to spend the money, I still say there are several clubs more likely to sign him than us.

  • 51 Average_Contents // May 12, 2014 at 5:37 PM

    Just a quick question,

    What was beardo’s role prior to helping the under-21′s? He helped out willie before he “quit” wasn’t it development of players? As in, all under the first team? What was his role before this? I’m sure it was ambassador of some sort? He’s had multiple positions and titles within NUFC in the last 3-4 years so I wouldn’t be surprised if his head was infact up his arse ;)

  • 52 mag // May 12, 2014 at 5:37 PM

    Groovy!

  • 53 ToonDarnSarf // May 12, 2014 at 5:38 PM

    JfA

    “News of the sale was revealed by BBC reporter Pat Murphy, who said the likely asking price would be about £200m – which is £100m less than Lerner’s estimated total investment in the club.”

    An owner who has the best interests of the club at heart. Enjoyed his time as Villa owner despite being on the slide for years and cares more about his legacy than his money…

  • 54 mag // May 12, 2014 at 5:39 PM

    Tds 5 paragraphs of nonsense!

  • 55 Small World // May 12, 2014 at 5:41 PM

    RE Beardsley:

    Something you folks are forgetting. He was a youth coach at Newcastle and after an altercation with Terry Mac’s lad, Neal – he was moved upstairs to an ambassadorial role.

    Since then, somehow in their wisdom, they’ve moved him back to to the role he wasn’t carrying out too Successfully.

  • 56 Average_Contents // May 12, 2014 at 5:42 PM

    Fatty’s arse to be precise as he backs him too and obviously doesn’t say what needs to be said, I thought he would tbh him being a local lad b all who understands the city, club and fans

  • 57 Average_Contents // May 12, 2014 at 5:44 PM

    Small world

    That’s exactly what I was getting at, he’s held so many roles in this club he must be, beyond a shadow of a doubt, a yes man!

  • 58 Tsunki // May 12, 2014 at 5:45 PM

    Quite a few have sussed for a while our training setup is little more than an old boy setup. Being a good player dies not ensure bring a good trainer. The whole coaching setup needs a revamp.

  • 59 mag // May 12, 2014 at 5:46 PM

    So does your wardrobe Tskunki!

  • 60 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 5:47 PM

    Them old flares and platform shoes, do nothing for one!

  • 61 Average_Contents // May 12, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    Peter is everything okay at the club?

    Yes

    Your saying the first team is fine?

    Yes

    And the academy is fine too?

    Yes

    Is pardspew doing a good job?

    Yes

    Should I sack you?

    Yes…I mean erm….erm….can I say no just this once?

    No your sacked

    This wouldn’t actually happen as,fatty doesn’t give a fcuk so why did I write it lol :v

  • 62 toonarmydownsouth // May 12, 2014 at 5:50 PM

    TDS
    I’ll think you’ll find I mentioned Ashley politely pocketing his cash and kindly fusking offski quiet hastily, which you then turned into finances…
    I rarely bother with the finances as I don’t believe it’s makes the blindest bit if difference if there available or not, he won’t spend unless his hand is forced

    You’ll also see my post originally was generalising, it didn’t stop you going in a rant about fans babbling on about things they know nothing about!

    I never once stated that the only thing stopping Lukaku coming here was Ashley, although I believe he would never have the ambition to go for him
    I simply stated where’s the harm in trying, instead of saying oh no he won’t come here

    Picking apart your hypothetical list was no different to you picking apart a hypothetical post
    Now if I finished this with “do keep up” would you find that a touch condescending, baring in mind we are dealing with hypotheticals…

  • 63 Ancientcoptic // May 12, 2014 at 5:51 PM

    You have to wonder why none of the players at the club are performing – including the development of younger players.

    With our very own version of Arsene Wenger… Alan Pardew at the club, it really is a chin scratcher.

  • 64 toonarmydownsouth // May 12, 2014 at 5:53 PM

    Tsunki
    Spot on
    First out the door should be Carver, if you work that long under Wor Bobby with out picking up a few tricks…….
    A local appointment as they thought it would appease the fans after appointing the first manager to stumble into the casino office

  • 65 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 5:54 PM

    Considering most of Wengers kids are the products of other clubs, bought in for whopping amounts of cash, what you alluding to?

  • 66 Average_Contents // May 12, 2014 at 5:57 PM

    Ancient

    lol but unfortunately the only similarity is that their first name begins with the letter A ;)

  • 67 ToonDarnSarf // May 12, 2014 at 5:58 PM

    TADS

    I really suggest you read my comments to you regarding the finances…firstly I said it wasn’t directed at you, then I said I get what you’re saying and really thought you were talking with tongue in cheek but then was a bit confused how you couldn’t grasp that if Ashley took £100M out of the club then the club would be worth £100M less as it would have £100M less assets. Pretty basic really.

    And you then posted “Don’t bother going for that lad because other clubs may want him!” just because I said he wasn’t likely to come here!

    I’m sure someone has spoken to him or his agent and I bet he’s come back and said “He wants European football”. We could try and push it but if he doesn’t want to come or Chelski don’t want to sell, what exactly is the point?

  • 68 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    Arsenal spent 40 million on ozil and Newcastle United haven’t spent that much in all the time Ashley has been owner of the club. So what are you alluding to?

  • 69 toon kk // May 12, 2014 at 6:04 PM

    TDS
    MA doesn’t run us like other clubs are run, we are strictly a business first, the money just happens to come from football which he doesn’t really understand.
    Your right about players not necessarily coming even if MA was willing to pay but he brings that on himself , any player will want ambition like the fans and sadly something we don’t have.

  • 70 toonarmydownsouth // May 12, 2014 at 6:06 PM

    @MsiDouglas: De Jong is the first out of #nufc… As Pardew gets the green light to reshuffle: http://t.co/FjEL8IJRDU

  • 71 Ancientcoptic // May 12, 2014 at 6:06 PM

    guvnor – which whopping amounts did Wenger spend on kids?

    Btw – are we not buying young players from abroad too. eg. Mbabu, Kemen, Amafiltano, Abeid, Vuckic… the list goes on.

    Apart from maybe Ox, I don’t believe Arsenal have spent ‘whopping’ amounts.

  • 72 Ancientcoptic // May 12, 2014 at 6:08 PM

    guvnor – “Arsenal spent 40 million on ozil and Newcastle United haven’t spent that much in all the time Ashley has been owner of the club. So what are you alluding to?”

    What does Ozil have to do with a conversation about developing young players?

  • 73 ToonDarnSarf // May 12, 2014 at 6:08 PM

    toon kk

    The key difference is that other clubs have a dedicated person to ensure that the money that is released is used for football purposes, rather than business purposes.

    Ashley should get on with growing the club in a commercial way, set a budget for everything and have a proper football person run the club in the correct manner. Sure, he should set targets and have regular meetings to ensure all is going to plan, but we only have one spokesman at our club and that’s Pardew…and he isn’t the right man for it. He’s an average level PL coach and that’s it.

  • 74 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 6:11 PM

    12 million on oxlaide, 5million wallcott, and 5million for Ramsey, now go away and study before you try beimg cocky!

  • 75 toonarmydownsouth // May 12, 2014 at 6:11 PM

    TDS
    Why are you sure someone has talked him? We passed him over for a loan because Pardew wasn’t sure on him

    As for where’s the point? How about trying to show the fans the squad the football world that we do actually have some ambitions?
    Nearly every ex player under Ashley and even current have heavily criticised his recruitment policy
    How are you supposed to attract players if you have no ambition or long term plan to sell the club to them?
    Players don’t care the the clubs financially stable, they want to compete

  • 76 Barton // May 12, 2014 at 6:11 PM

    wenger has always paid big amounts for kids,remember him paying 2.5 mill for Pennant when he was 15 from nots co. think it was,ok not a big fee,but for a 15 year old,i would say was a sizeable amount like

  • 77 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 6:12 PM

    These cocky no nowts!

  • 78 ToonDarnSarf // May 12, 2014 at 6:13 PM

    TADS

    So we’re left with
    Krul
    Elliott
    Debuchy
    Santon
    Dummett
    Haidara
    Colo
    Willo
    MYM
    – NEED CB (Saylor)
    Tiote
    – NEED PLAYMAKER (Cabaye)
    Sissoko
    Anita
    – NEED OTHER MIDFIELDER
    Goofy
    – NEED WINGER (HBA)
    – NEED WINGER/STRIKER (Remy)
    – NEED STRIKER (Shola)
    Cisse

    Oh dear…that’s quite a lot…and that’s assuming that our youngsters are good enough to make up the places in the squad…

  • 79 Ancientcoptic // May 12, 2014 at 6:15 PM

    guvnor – 5 million for Walcott, and 5 million for Ramsey. Those are “whopping” amounts?

    Cisse cost the same as those 2 put together. We have more expensive players than that sitting on our bench… “whopping amounts” eh? lol

  • 80 toonarmydownsouth // May 12, 2014 at 6:15 PM

    But we haven’t got a proper person in charge and won’t have for the foreseeable future so your whole counter is based on if buts and maybes

    Ashley has widely damaged the overall image of the club in the football community
    He hasn’t made the appointments needed so now how to suffer the consequences
    If he wants players to come here he’ll have to pay higher than the going rate, and that us squarely on him, no one else

    The bloke has been here 7 years, there is no direction at the club, and he’s done nothing to attempt to change
    The club is going nowhere under Ashley

  • 81 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 6:17 PM

    Antiseptic you were defeated by a superior mind, so give it up you failed miserably

  • 82 toonarmydownsouth // May 12, 2014 at 6:17 PM

    TDS
    Not entirely Krul or Debuchy will be here at the start of the season
    Krul tbh for me is replaceable, he’s not really progressed if anything he’s regressed a bit
    Debuchy on the other hand
    World class won’t replace him easily at all

  • 83 Ancientcoptic // May 12, 2014 at 6:18 PM

    guvnor – maybe I can try to figure out exactly that your point is.

    Are you trying to say that the reason we have not developed any younger players is because:

    A. We do not spend enough money on younger players

    B. We develop our own younger players which is a failure, where as Arsenal get their younger players from other clubs.

    Your point does not stand up – Arsenal have not spent fortunes on younger players (apart from Ox)… and we bring in young players from other clubs too, just like Arsenal.

    Feel free to enlighten me with your knowledge though.

  • 84 Graeme // May 12, 2014 at 6:19 PM

    Toon KK @ 69

    We aren’t even run as a business mate – they only reason we are still in existance is to provide an “Advertising Hoarding” for his sports tat shops. Nothing more, nothing less.

    If he thought he could get the same exposure without paying for a bunch of idjits running round kicking a ball – he would!!

  • 85 ToonDarnSarf // May 12, 2014 at 6:20 PM

    TADS

    Pardew wasn’t sure on him??? Where on earth did you read that? He was ace for West Brom last season. What I heard was that he wasn’t available for loan all window as Mourinho hadn’t decided, then at the last minute they made him available and Everton came in. West Brom tried and failed.

    Of course our transfer policy is flawed! Last summer was poor but I think one bad window can be understood as long as it’s rectified in the following one…only we went backwards!

    Agents and scouts talk to each other all of the time to find out who is available and if they are interested. I can pretty much guarantee that we will have had contact with Lukaku’s agent to try and find out what his plans are.

    He even fits perfectly with Ashley’s model if we could get him for the right price! He’s young with plenty of resale value and if we get him for say £15-20M and he continues to improve, then he could be worth a lot more than that in a few years.

    On the other hand, if they assess him and think he’s not going to improve, then that’s a lot of money to spend when we could look elsewhere.

    I still don’t think he’ll want to come as he’s proven himself playing in the PL for West Brom and now proven himself for a PL team qualifying for Europe. Why would he want to join a team not in Europe and who will be 8th favourite at best next season?

  • 86 Sir Erec // May 12, 2014 at 6:20 PM

    Toonarmydownsouth-

    Completely agree with you, Krul hasn’t progressed much if at all this season.

    I’m resigned to not being able to replace Debuchy in terms of quality. I just hope we don’t settle for someone who is not better than Simpson, or else management will look like incompetent (again).

  • 87 Ancientcoptic // May 12, 2014 at 6:20 PM

    guvnor – This isn’t quantum physics… it is football. If you think reading a few wiki pages, or knowing a little football club history makes you a ‘superior mind,’ over another – I very much pity you.

  • 88 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 6:20 PM

    No no! Antiseptic, you stated wenger brings his own kids through, and I proved that you were wrong!

  • 89 Sir Erec // May 12, 2014 at 6:22 PM

    Very little chance on NUFC getting Lukaku. I’d assume his agent and himself are continuously looking upwards for his career, and sadly NUFC is not a step up from Everton

  • 90 mag // May 12, 2014 at 6:23 PM

    Sounds like another wannabe bit the dust Guv!

  • 91 ToonDarnSarf // May 12, 2014 at 6:23 PM

    TADS

    Ashley won’t pay higher than the going rate. EVER.

    And we don’t have to pay higher either. We paid highly for the likes of Duff, Owen, Martins and many others. Are you saying Ashley has had to overpay for any players since he took over?

    I really want Debuchy to stay but don’t forget, last summer there were loads of fans on this blog calling for Debuchy, Willo and Tiote to go. Crazy. Krul is also very good. I don’t want any players to leave until we’ve got a replacement who is at least as good.

  • 92 Ancientcoptic // May 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM

    guvnor – Wenger does develop young players, it does not matter if they have been recruited from other sides… they do not join Arsenal below the age of 18 the finished article.

    Wenger’s success is down to a combination of being able to spot talent, then being able to develop and nurture that talent.

    We have recruited players from abroad and they get dumped in a reserve side and go backwards… why do you think that is, because Pardew is on par with Wenger?

  • 93 mag // May 12, 2014 at 6:28 PM

    The Guv, sends another pretender into a Graveyard spin!

  • 94 theartfuldodger // May 12, 2014 at 6:32 PM

    I just hope we dont complete the clearout before getting bodies in…

  • 95 welshgeordie9 // May 12, 2014 at 6:33 PM

    Mag and guvnor you two winding others up and not inviting me

    Shame on the pair of you

    Ha ha ha

  • 96 mag // May 12, 2014 at 6:34 PM

    Welshgeordie, it has to be done lad!

  • 97 welshgeordie9 // May 12, 2014 at 6:34 PM

    Right have we signed anybody yet

    Only joking

  • 98 Ancientcoptic // May 12, 2014 at 6:36 PM

    Yes, mag has declared victory for his pal ‘guvnor.’

    I can only assume to save him from the embarrassment I was putting him through, heh.

    Ah, it’s good to have blog allies… I am sure guvnor will return the favour someday, mag. ;)

  • 99 mag // May 12, 2014 at 6:36 PM

    Nada! Welshie, all quiet on the western front!

  • 100 welshgeordie9 // May 12, 2014 at 6:36 PM

    It dosnt take a lot to wind people up on here

  • 101 mag // May 12, 2014 at 6:37 PM

    Antiseptic no malice a for thought.

  • 102 Ancientcoptic // May 12, 2014 at 6:39 PM

    welshgeordie9 – it is footballing blog, not comedy hour for dimwits, who think they are funny after a few ol’ bottles of cider.

    How did your prediction of Liverpool winning the title come along, btw?

    I did try to inform you that you were jumping the gun. :)

  • 103 Ancientcoptic // May 12, 2014 at 6:41 PM

    mag

    “Antiseptic no malice a for thought.”

    Okay, mag ;)

    Drink up, buddy. LOL

  • 104 welshgeordie9 // May 12, 2014 at 6:41 PM

    98Ancientcoptic

    Like i said some on here haven’t got a sense of humour

  • 105 mag // May 12, 2014 at 6:41 PM

    From the geezer who puts smiley faces, cringey pass the cidre!

  • 106 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 6:42 PM

    Someone made the tentative suggestion the other day that all might not be above board with welshgeordie, validator, mag and guvnor.
    I refuse to believe such a thing.
    Clearly, they are a charming combination of totally separate people who may or may not be in need of a girlfriend.

  • 107 welshgeordie9 // May 12, 2014 at 6:43 PM

    Before man city won who did you predict the mackems, at least the team I picked came close.

  • 108 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 6:43 PM

    Antiseptic humour free zone.

  • 109 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 6:45 PM

    Bandb nar ya alright nice boy!

  • 110 toonarmydownsouth // May 12, 2014 at 6:46 PM

    TDS
    Like i said Krul is easily replaceable
    He’s poor at commanding the box, never comes out for corners, set pieces or crosses and 9/10 is slow off the mark for one on ones
    Plenty of good GK’s out there

    Don’t see what fans wanting Debs to stay or go has to do with whether or not he’ll be adequately replaced?

    I think we will have to over pay, like I said Ashley has damaged the clubs reputation in the football world, no player looks at a club as business but as an ambitious football club with goals, if you don’t show ambition then you have to pay to attract players

    One bad window? 2 terrible summer windows and 2 awful January windows at the last count

  • 111 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 6:46 PM

    guvnor,

    How odd it is that you make the same mistake validator does of not knowing that your homophobic remarks are lost on me because I am not a man.
    Tiresome dimwit.

  • 112 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 6:47 PM

    Flog krul and sign Marshall from Cardiff City!

  • 113 Ancientcoptic // May 12, 2014 at 6:47 PM

    Well, I can see the clowns quickly lose their sense of humour when they are challenged, and exposed for their lack of wit. Truly Ironic, as it has given me a good hoot.

  • 114 welshgeordie9 // May 12, 2014 at 6:48 PM

    BandB

    are you sticking up for

  • 115 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 6:48 PM

    Are you a Ghost?

  • 116 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 6:49 PM

    Are you a risible chump?

  • 117 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 6:49 PM

    Aye but we know are football though but!

  • 118 welshgeordie9 // May 12, 2014 at 6:50 PM

    Bandb

    Are you sticking up for Ancientcoptic

    Ah bless that’s nice

  • 119 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 6:51 PM

    Sounds like loves in the air!

  • 120 toonarmydownsouth // May 12, 2014 at 6:51 PM

    In fact add to that the fact Ashley’s unwillingness to spend combined with a failure to move on players who’s contracts are running down/expiring or tying them to new contracts has left us in a position where this summer we are for lack of a better word – desperate, clubs will have us bent over this summer as they know we need to buy

  • 121 the truth will out // May 12, 2014 at 6:52 PM

    we will never amount to anything of note with a clueless money grabbing knacker in charge hiring useless git

  • 122 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 6:53 PM

    Antiseptic and the Ghost!

  • 123 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 7:01 PM

    Pardew safe
    Ashley happy
    Nufc doomed to an abject existence.

    Don’t know what we did in a former life to deserve such ambivalence

  • 124 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 7:02 PM

    Pardews just been on look north, saying new significant signings on way whoopee

  • 125 toonarmydownsouth // May 12, 2014 at 7:03 PM

    Brighton shot of another manager!

    Never going to get promoted if they get rid of there manager every time they fail the play offs at the managers first time of asking

  • 126 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 7:05 PM

    Jack,

    This was due to be announced at a Fans’ Forum meeting tonight, according to the Evening Chronicle.
    But not doomed.
    The club is an idea no-one owns. (There is a little voice at the back of my head saying “so were the pits and the shipyards”)
    What cannot be changed must be endured.

  • 127 beermonkey // May 12, 2014 at 7:06 PM

    tads he quit I think

  • 128 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 7:06 PM

    I grafted at Swan hunters Wallsend!

  • 129 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 7:07 PM

    When you have a farce at the top, you have a farce down below. No use talking about real improvement at the club until Ashley is gone.

  • 130 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 7:09 PM

    guvnor

    Pardew’s fate should be beyond any signings or investment as it’s his coaching abilities are the biggest thing that’s in question with the fan’s.

    I personally don’t want him entrusted with the coaching or development of any player at this club, be it a full international or up and coming youngster.

    West Ham, Charlton and Southampton can’t all be wrong

  • 131 guvnor // May 12, 2014 at 7:10 PM

    Well said Jackie son, neither do I and most of Longbenton!

  • 132 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 7:11 PM

    BandB

    It’s a sad day when we have to endure what is happening at a once great club, but as long as Ashley get’s what he wants what should it matter that he’s destroying something we all love

  • 133 toonarmydownsouth // May 12, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    Beer monkey
    Yeah he offered his resignation but no reason to accept unless he just wanted out
    Shame
    Be hard for them this summer i think few ageing players that might not be up for another long championship battle

  • 134 niafron // May 12, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    Bonsoir messieurs.

    Just read Pard’s job is safe. Does it mean he will remain manager of the team next season or just his replacement will not be announced yet?

  • 135 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 7:16 PM

    niafron

    Just reports claiming he’s safe at the minute, no official word from the club………………as if there was ever gonna be one ;)

  • 136 Toon Tang // May 12, 2014 at 7:21 PM

    England squads got more bad apples than cheap cider.

  • 137 Toon Tang // May 12, 2014 at 7:23 PM

    Smalling is one of the shittest players I’ve ever seen. Hopefully there will be no need for him.

  • 138 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 7:24 PM

    Jack,

    I wonder how long he will be around.
    The end of season payout (£70 million isn’t it?) will be a huge guaranteed pay-out next season, even if we go down.
    Those are big numbers.
    It makes me wonder why Lerner chose now to put Villa on the market.
    Sparky55 has put forward a theory that is as plausible as any other. That he will screw one more year out of us and sell us for scrap.
    But we will be liberated.
    And who, but an idiot, argues that the cost of liberation should be weighed on a balance sheet?

  • 139 niafron // May 12, 2014 at 7:25 PM

    @Jack Butler

    I got the habit to never call for a manager to be fired, but honnestly, if he’s still in charge next season, would be beyond my intellectual capabilities…

  • 140 niafron // May 12, 2014 at 7:26 PM

    Oh yes, the England Squad!

    Who are the players?

    And what could be the starting eleven?

  • 141 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 7:27 PM

    Sack the owner. Give the manager away.

  • 142 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 7:29 PM

    Write to the U.N. Inform them that Ashley needs to be arrested for crimes against humanity, in particular Geordie humanity.

  • 143 Ian Toon // May 12, 2014 at 7:30 PM

    I have never believed the hype about ouryouth policy being the key to self sufficiency and the conveyor belt enabling players to be sold at optimum times. Abeid was seen by Pardew as a natural replacement for Cabaye but showed little to suggest this would be feasible. This was identified when Abeid went out on loan so why was nobody lined up to come in over two successive windows.

    As mentioned before, Lee Clark had alerted us to Redmond’s availability at a very reasonable price. Unfortunately JFK refused to negotiate on the grounds that it would restrict Sammi’s development. So he went to Norwich.

    I welcome a clear out of players who just aren’t good enough to play in the PL. For me this was proven during our Europa season.

    Southampton released eight English youngsters last summer and spent £27m on three foreign players so forgive me if I don’t totally believe the hype about their homegrown policy. We just need to be as creative in the market as we were in securing and blending Cabaye and Tiote for CM roles. Anita has not lived up to his billing yet again for me. Added to by 3 offensive players of which 2 would be ST.
    Just do it!

  • 144 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 7:32 PM

    Niafron,

    He will be manager next season. He has never doubted it.
    When the fans first turned on Pardew, he told the press that Ashley had told him to laugh it all off.
    “They don’t get us.” Ashley sneered.
    I don’t know what we don’t get, but it isn’t for want of trying to figure it.
    I think relegation next season has been weighed as a risk. Only Ashley knows whether he can offset it with another shrewd piece of business.
    One thing you can be sure of. It isn’t about football.

  • 145 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 7:32 PM

    BandB

    I simply can’t see Ashley going for a very long time as we are worth too much for him, we’ve picked up £75 million this season and it looks like we are being set up for another stab at the dizzying height’s of tenth again next season which brings in another massive amount of money. Add to that the amount of free advertising his grubby little retail store gets and its going to continue for a long, long time..

    Yes we will spend this summer but we will spend to survive and that is deemed as success, cup’s, europe and all those other distractions are simply not worth the effort

  • 146 toonarmydownsouth // May 12, 2014 at 7:35 PM

    Niafron
    Hart, Forster, Forster, Baines, Cahill, Jagielka, Johnson, Jones, Shaw, Smalling, Barkley, Gerrard, Henderson, Lallana, Lampard, Milner, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Sterling, Wilshere, Lambert, Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck

    Standby: Ruddy, Cleverley, Flanagan, Carroll, Stones, Defoe, Carrick

  • 147 beermonkey // May 12, 2014 at 7:35 PM

    tads

    from what I gather chatting to a couple of season ticket holders, they been complaining he is to one dimensional and a bit like pards they when and whom will be subbed
    but I don’t watch them enough to know

    but you might be right they have a few aging players there so maybe its easier to walk now than have a tough season cos of lack of investment

  • 148 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 7:35 PM

    niafron

    the sad fact is that there are plenty of managers out there who could do a far better job than Pardew under the exact same circumstances, but whats worse is that our owner deems Pardew to be doing a good job and that he’s the right man for the job…………………………………so it seems being a “Yes” man does have it benefits

  • 149 kevymartins // May 12, 2014 at 7:36 PM

    After paying wages and Alan Pardews fines I wonder how much profit the club made from that £98m the 70 odd from tv rights and stuff and the £20m Cabaye money.

  • 150 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 7:37 PM

    Spot on Ian Toon @143 but it will never happen. Far too ambitious for our owner.

  • 151 Toon Tang // May 12, 2014 at 7:37 PM

    Niafron, aye too many players you think to yourself, “would they get anywhere near other countries teams”?

    And the answer is a resounding NO haha

  • 152 Ian Toon // May 12, 2014 at 7:41 PM

    Geordie- Hope springs eternal. And without hope what have you got. Were hoping that Gateshead get into the Football League so that we can use them as a feeder club.

  • 153 Toon Tang // May 12, 2014 at 7:42 PM

    I suppose its all we’ve got to work with, but you can see why and how we never get anywhere in these tourney’s.

    Some of the other countries are packing absolute quality right through to the back up players.

    I think my hopes for this world cup are that the youngsters have a decent run and see what happens next time out… same as every world cup eh

  • 154 Big Pappa Cissé // May 12, 2014 at 7:42 PM

    My England team would be:

    4-4-2 Diamond wide

    —————————Hart—————————-

    –Baines——–Cahill——–Jagielka——–Shaw–

    ————————-Gerrard————————–

    ———Wilshire——————–Barkley————

    ————————-Rooney————————–

    ————Sturridge————Sterling—————-

    Don’t rate Johnson as a defender and I think Baines could be a Lahm style left footed right back .

    Toss up between Barkley and Ox but Barkley has had more game time so I would go with him instead .

    I hope Hodgson plays the younger lads like Sterling, Barkley & Shaw as If they are old enough they are good enough IMO . Just look at the German national side, they played Muller at the last world cup and he was only 20 .

    What would you lads play ? .

  • 155 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 7:42 PM

    Alain Perdue for manager of France.

  • 156 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 7:44 PM

    Ian

    “We just need to be as creative in the market as we were in securing and blending Cabaye and Tiote for CM roles. Anita has not lived up to his billing yet again for me. Added to by 3 offensive players of which 2 would be ST.
    Just do it!”

    What do you think we will be aiming for next season? Serious question.

  • 157 niafron // May 12, 2014 at 7:46 PM

    @Toon tang

    Well, this is not so bad…

    Dependind how they will play, but Rooney+Sturridge look like a strong offensive sector…

    And the defense is pretty good as well.

    I’m more concerned about your midfield, especially cause i got the impression you do not have any player able to unbalance opponent’s defense since Gascoigne retired!

    Was a long time ago…

  • 158 Toon Tang // May 12, 2014 at 7:46 PM

    BPC, I also reckon our RB slot is the weakest point defo. That team looks about right though but would ‘the owl’ play a formation like that?

    He will probs stick straight 442 and change it if aint working

  • 159 Ian Toon // May 12, 2014 at 7:46 PM

    Too early to say.

  • 160 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM

    Help prevent budgie molestation. Report all sightings of Mike Ashley to the proper authorities.

  • 161 kimik123 // May 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM

    Anybody who still thinks newcastle have any chance of signing remy please do not have high hopes, Hes been seeing my mate from work and london is the only option if arsenal do not want him he will go to spurs if spurs do not want him god knows where hel end up, but newcastle and qpr are not in his thinking attall for next season!!

  • 162 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 7:48 PM

    What about Newcastle’s offensive sector niafron mate? How do you rate us for next season?

  • 163 Wowhatawhopper // May 12, 2014 at 7:49 PM

    England team as follows:

    Hart
    Johnson Jagielka Cahill Baines
    Gerrard Henderson
    Sterling Lallana
    Sturridge Rooney
    Easy all this managing malarkey!

  • 164 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 7:49 PM

    Ian Toon

    When you say thats it’s “Too early to say” it implies that you think there may be a change on direction at the club over the summer and that top 10 will not be the target again?????

  • 165 Toon Tang // May 12, 2014 at 7:51 PM

    Niafron, both our RB’s are pretty shite defensively and that will be a problem and Rooney has never once delivered at a WC so I’m hoping he makes up for lost time.

    Barkley is a good prospect and its a shame townsend couldn’t make it as he was starting to look good before his injury.

    Hope is the word of the day

  • 166 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 7:55 PM

    Ian,

    Okay, I’ll be brave and hazard a guess.
    I would say we could afford to drop back a notch.
    Being sixth at Christmas was yet again a case of us “getting a bit ahead of arsevs.”
    If we hadn’t been sixth at Christmas, if we has hovered around 10th all season, who would have called it a disaster?
    Once again we made the schoolboy error of getting hopes up.
    Bad business Ian, bad business.
    You have to imagine a season shorn of all highs and lows would be the ideal.
    A nice affordable product.
    I read some statistics today that said that over the past two year only two clubs in the entire league system had a higher loss percentage. I don’t think it factored in the margin of the losses.
    Isn’t it funny what passes for ambition these days?

  • 167 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 7:56 PM

    I find our offensive sector quite offensive niafron mate. In fact to call it an offensive sector is to insult all football strikers everywhere. We will possibly have Shola (2 goals), Armstrong (no goals), and Gouffy (no goals in the second half of the season but not completely his fault really). We are competing strenuously to bring Shefki Kuqi back as well. There you have it.

  • 168 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 7:59 PM

    Our weakest position should be anywhere related to playing football on the pitch mates. We will be weak in all areas, with special attention being paid to the manager, striker, ACM, and possibly both fullback positions. Oh and possibly goal. And central defenders. And wingers.

  • 169 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 7:59 PM

    In other words Alain Perdue thinks we’re looking good.

  • 170 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 8:01 PM

    Anybody hazard a guess for our league position after 19 games next season? I think we will be sitting a sweet 16th, 3 or 4 points out of the relegation zone. Ashley will be pleased.

  • 171 Ian Toon // May 12, 2014 at 8:04 PM

    Jack- what don’t you understand about it’s too early to say! I am not into tasseography. Just think what a terrible void in the life’s of so many there would be, should, against all the perceived odds Ashley finally finds his money belt. He’s apparently on another diet so it’s always possible. Mind, we would still have to invest wisely.

  • 172 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 8:06 PM

    Fabian Delph, Andreas Weimann, and Jack Colback :(

    Exciting times ahead

  • 173 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 8:06 PM

    G2,

    No who won’t be pleased.
    He will sack Pardew at that point.
    Buying himself several months of good grace and earnest platitudes about giving the new fella a chance (even if he employs Skippy the Bush Kangaroo)
    He is going to bungle this sooner or later.
    But I reckon he can offset the worst case scenario so that it costs him nothing so serious as actual money.

  • 174 niafron // May 12, 2014 at 8:07 PM

    @Geordie two

    Well, putting it that way… sure!

    But honnestly, we got to wait until the end of the transfer window.

    Even if the club don’t bring impressive names, could be a good opportunity on the market.

    My concern isn’t about the players, rather about how you tell them to play.

    First, the manager, then, we will worry about the squad.

  • 175 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 8:07 PM

    Ian Toon

    No need to be bitchy fella, I was only asking a question!!!!!!

  • 176 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 8:08 PM

    niafron

    What are the reasons behind Rémi Garde leaving?

  • 177 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 8:10 PM

    Have no fears mates. Wor owner is currently investigating the possibility of using a new type of vegetable as manager. He currently favours a nice yellow squash.

  • 178 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 8:13 PM

    I believe Mike firmly believes in the management we currently have. Don’t switch vegetables until you have to. Keep the squash in reserve. Polish the helicopter. Seek important football advice from Kinnear. Re-stock on meat pies. That kind of thing. :shock:

  • 179 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 8:15 PM

    Thanks for your replies mates. I am in no way concerned about the club. As long as we get Shefki Kuqi back that is. Shola will need some help after all.

  • 180 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 8:16 PM

    Ian Toon what is tasseography mate? Is it related to the study of tassels? Ibiza needs to know.

  • 181 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 8:17 PM

    G2,

    I really do appreciate your way with a metaphor. And I love your outrage
    But haven’t you noticed that this is the point in the evening at which the posting record of the blog becomes…
    G2
    G2
    G2
    G2
    G2 …getting worried.
    Long break…
    Someone else sticks their head above the parapets.

    Or have you not noticed?

  • 182 jazzyp // May 12, 2014 at 8:20 PM

    Evening all
    Pardew staying……..Happy days ahead lads not.
    On Delph and Weismann, Don’t see any point in these two lads coming in whatsoever.

  • 183 niafron // May 12, 2014 at 8:20 PM

    @JB

    Well, beside the lack of results, some well informed people believe he’s simply victim of a burn out.

    The lad was under extreme pressure, and he’s said to be totaly exhausted.

    Shame, was one of the few offensive managers in the Ligue 1.

  • 184 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 8:20 PM

    Well, it’s time for more letters from the Old Hobbit Mail Bag mates. Here, let’s read this one. This is from little Joey (7) from Lower Blog End (near Wallsend I believe).
    Dear Mr Hobbit
    Please make Mr. Ashley go away. He is making my daddy cry a lot now. We watch the games and then he cries and takes me home. Then he goes to the pub for a long time and me mam cries as well. Help us please!

  • 185 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 8:22 PM

    I have noticed. And I’m getting worried BandB. Should I go into reclusion? It would make me sad. But then as a Newcastle supporter I am virtually always sad anyway. I believe you’re right though. Less is more sometimes.

  • 186 GeordieTwo // May 12, 2014 at 8:24 PM

    I guess that should read seclusion as I’m already a bit of a recluse. Farewell mates.

  • 187 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 8:25 PM

    Tasseography, I believe G2, me lovely and much-beloved little Hobbit chum, is a long scientific-sounding word used by charlatans to describe reading the tea leaves.

  • 188 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 8:27 PM

    niafron

    If that is the case then it is a shame as he’s a very good coach, read today that he was annoyed with the transfer situation at the club?

    Christophe Galtier could be a good replacement now that we no longer need what with Pardew staying an’all

  • 189 welshgeordie9 // May 12, 2014 at 8:27 PM

    i would rather have shelvey and gomis from Lyon than the pair from villa

  • 190 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 8:29 PM

    welsh

    Go miss is another version of Shola mate, we need to steer clear of that one

  • 191 welshgeordie9 // May 12, 2014 at 8:29 PM

    and also that french police officer from allo allo as our new manager

    Ha ha ha

  • 192 Ravensd // May 12, 2014 at 8:30 PM

    Ol Perchinho has scored for wigan against dirty ‘arry

  • 193 Novocastrian66 // May 12, 2014 at 8:34 PM

    I watched Lyon v PSG recently and Gomis was excellent. He is a far better player than Shola is, was, and ever will be.

  • 194 Sazzer // May 12, 2014 at 8:34 PM

    Bournemouth are reportedly set to sign out-of-contract Newcastle midfielder Dan Gosling.

  • 195 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 8:36 PM

    Novocastrian66

    100 goals in 300 games in France????

  • 196 welshgeordie9 // May 12, 2014 at 8:36 PM

    You never know regarding gomis, he could turn out like bony from swans

    Now that would be good

  • 197 welshgeordie9 // May 12, 2014 at 8:38 PM

    To be honest he’s better than the muppets we’ve got

    Apart from remy of course

  • 198 welshgeordie9 // May 12, 2014 at 8:39 PM

    Now that’s a thought remy and gomis up front

    Ashley get your money out and sign them up

  • 199 Ian Toon // May 12, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    Geordie- it’s reading tea leaves. When all else fails It’s always worked for me.

    BandB-it was an all or nothing season. We also won a lot of games and drew very few. I do agree with Pardew’s critics that he doesn’t have a plan B. The Chelsea home game was just perfect as a blue print going forward but we just lost the plan.

    Ashley will realise that if he doesn’t invest in offensive players we will be relegated. Pardew seems optimistic that investment on a scale not seen for three seasons will occur but who really knows it could just as easily be all on a whim.
    Answering your random question – Wonga have financed tickets for many fans this season. They have increasingly paid for away tickets noticeably against West Ham and more recently Stoke. I don’t travel on a coach but am in a car pool for away games. You do get to see the same faces at games and in recent away trips there have been a fair few newcomers.
    Jail – I even showed some how to get flags into away grounds( remembering your Everton man on a mission trip, this is for you- you wrap the flag around your body ( if there is a stick take it out) and put your jumper over the top. With your bulk nobody would notice- how is the weight loss programme going? Only joshing as the blog bully would say).

  • 200 niafron // May 12, 2014 at 8:42 PM

    Garde would be an excellent recruit.

    Most excitings availlable managers in France:

    -Rémy Garde from olympique Lyonnais.
    -Hervé Renard from FC Sochaux Montbéliard.
    -Jocelyn Gourvennec from L’en avant de Guingamp.
    -Christian Gourcuff from FC Lorient.

  • 201 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 8:44 PM

    welsh

    Go miss, like Shola is decent as a squad player, but as of now we only have Cisse on our books and we need someone a little more prolific. At the same time we need to ensure we have more goals coming from the midfield

  • 202 niafron // May 12, 2014 at 8:45 PM

    Well, i think Gomis at his best was better than Shola, still i would not recruit him.

    His best years are behind him, he does not seem concerned anymore by competition.

  • 203 Sazzer // May 12, 2014 at 8:46 PM

    GFN:
    Remi Garde decides to quit Lyon for the following reasons:
    1) Annoyed by transfer situation
    2) Not confident about the medium-term

  • 204 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 8:50 PM

    Niafron,

    If you were to go all St Denis and run up the Oriflamme, which of these managers would take no prisoners?

  • 205 Ian Toon // May 12, 2014 at 8:52 PM

    Jack- Fabian Delph and Andreas Weimann would be good signings.

  • 206 Novocastrian66 // May 12, 2014 at 8:54 PM

    JB; Shola has scored about 50 goals for Newcastle in 300 games. Gomis played well the other week against PSG, he has scored 22 goals this season and he is better than what we currently have; which admittedly isn’t much.

  • 207 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 8:54 PM

    Ian Toon

    Based on what?

    They’ve hardly set the league alight with Villa, so why would they flourish under Pardew?

  • 208 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 8:56 PM

    Novocastrian66

    I’ve watched him for years and have never been that impressed with the lad, he decent but nothing more and if he was the type of player we were relying on for our goals next season then I’d be very, very worried.

  • 209 jazzyp // May 12, 2014 at 8:56 PM

    Perchinio heading to Wembley again with the looks of it. I bet he really misses us !!
    If you cant remember we had interest in Weimann last summer but he chose to sign a new deal at Villa, So why come to us now ??

  • 210 Ian Toon // May 12, 2014 at 8:57 PM

    Delph would be a very good replacement for Cabaye. He’s improved during the course of the season to be a competitive player with good technique. With Villa in a state of flux good time. Just my opinion.

  • 211 Jail for Ashley // May 12, 2014 at 8:57 PM

    Ian Toon,
    Stop with the stalking bit you don’t know me and I wouldn’t associate with your type.

  • 212 niafron // May 12, 2014 at 8:59 PM

    BandB

    Gourcuff is the most fanatic about them. His opinions about play are extreme.

    MONTJOIE!

  • 213 jazzyp // May 12, 2014 at 9:00 PM

    Ian Toon
    Im sure there is better targets out there mate than Delph. There is no way you can compare him in the same category as Cabs

  • 214 Novocastrian66 // May 12, 2014 at 9:02 PM

    That’s where we are now Jack, average. Gomis would cost nowt and improve our options up front. He is not the the solution to our lack of goals on his own, however I think he will do a job.
    If we can get someone better than him I’ll be happy.

  • 215 jazzyp // May 12, 2014 at 9:04 PM

    Rio Ferdinand released by Manure

  • 216 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 9:05 PM

    Chelsea agree £35 million deal for Costa, Man u close to £27 million deal for Shaw

  • 217 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 12, 2014 at 9:08 PM

    Percy Parsnip released by Newcastle

  • 218 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 9:09 PM

    Niafron,

    Esperance!
    As we were given to saying in these parts.
    Esperance en Dieu!

  • 219 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 12, 2014 at 9:09 PM

    Woops…was I thinking out loud there? ;) lol

  • 220 jazzyp // May 12, 2014 at 9:11 PM

    Jb
    Looks like Manure are getting there affairs in order early. Just hope we follow suit as our targets must have all been identified and sounded out.

  • 221 JackButler // May 12, 2014 at 9:14 PM

    jazzyp

    We’ve never been quick off the mark when it comes to spending money and we all know how hard it is to get any deal over the line ;)

  • 222 armchair fan // May 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM

    “These are players who have now reached or surpassed 21 years of age, and when they cannot make the first team at that age, they are not going to make it.”

    Well Ed, look at Jaap Stam who started a professional career aged 26, shows there’s still faith for us out there ;)

    Also would anyone consider us getting Fabio Borini? Scored a few recently and I reckon he’ll be good in the future.

  • 223 Ian Toon // May 12, 2014 at 9:16 PM

    jazzyp-Delph has had an excellent season. He’s not far short of being an England player given his rate of improvement. He’s not as good as Cabaye but he could be a special player in time. We need to spend on ST’s mainly.
    Jail- I was always taught if you dish it out then…..!

  • 224 beermonkey // May 12, 2014 at 9:16 PM

    who is wigan manager he has turned it around since they got rid of coyle
    do they still play the Martinez way I not watched them since they were in the prem

  • 225 niafron // May 12, 2014 at 9:19 PM

    Got to go.

    Bonne soirée messieurs!

  • 226 jazzyp // May 12, 2014 at 9:20 PM

    JB
    The only reason that is, Is because Ashley wants to bring in players for as little as possible when they are worth far more than we offer.
    most players that we have been linked with in the press lately have to be honest with ya mate not impressed me what so ever. Even if we go out and buy 4-5 players, That will only be offset by players being shipped out.
    We will not move forward……….just stand still while everyone around us actually tries to show ambition

  • 227 Jail for Ashley // May 12, 2014 at 9:20 PM

    Ian Toon,
    What relevance is that to you pretending to know me or thinking that you know me because you were eaves dropping on some fat bloke in a pub and presumed it was me.

  • 228 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM

    et madames!
    Git :)

  • 229 jazzyp // May 12, 2014 at 9:25 PM

    Ian toon
    Agree mate the lad has had an excellent season but personally would hope we would be going for more higher profile targets

  • 230 Graeme // May 12, 2014 at 9:26 PM

    Novo @ 193 – but thats not really much of a recommendation, to be honest, is it lol.

  • 231 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 9:27 PM

    JFA,

    We keep missing each other.
    Would you like to do something more with your rare showings these days than abuse Ian?
    You both have more to offer, like.
    What sort of window do you imagine?

  • 232 jazzyp // May 12, 2014 at 9:29 PM

    would anyone go for Gerrard and Barkley in the middle for England at the world cup with Lallana and the Ox either side. We aint gonna do anything at the WC so bread the young for the next tournament

  • 233 jazzyp // May 12, 2014 at 9:30 PM

    Breed

  • 234 sweendog // May 12, 2014 at 9:31 PM

    Beermonkey uwe rosler a good manager imo

  • 235 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 9:32 PM

    jazzyp,

    Isn’t that how bread is pronounced?

  • 236 jazzyp // May 12, 2014 at 9:33 PM

    BandB
    Why of course !!

  • 237 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 9:36 PM

    jazzyp

    As long as wer eat wor breed while wa’ waark to walk, Ashley will never beat us.

  • 238 Jail for Ashley // May 12, 2014 at 9:37 PM

    BandB,
    It doesn’t really matter but I think you should be directing that post to Ian Toon as I was minding my own business, thank you very much, the window will be totally unpredictable but we will still be that constant five players short no matter who comes or goes, just being short of numbers keeps costs down and us in the comfort zone.

  • 239 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 9:45 PM

    Jail,

    It was directed at Ian too. I have mentioned it to him before.
    But it is not my job to tell Ian what to think.
    Compared to Manxpie and Tequilamag, who you are happy to debate with, Ian seems reasonably open-minded.
    When he isn’t being cornered.
    I can be a git in those circumstances. And so can you.
    You were always happy in your special relationship with bills-son.
    Do you think Mike controls the comfort zone?
    I don’t think he does.

  • 240 Sazzer // May 12, 2014 at 9:51 PM

    jazzyp
    I wouldn’t mind it. There are a lot interesting combos available so I expect a lot of rotation. I think we will start with a core of Liverpool players + Rooney and go from there.
    x (Hart)
    Johnson x(Jags) x(Cahill) x (Bains)
    Gerrard Henderson
    Sterling x
    Sturrige x (Rooney)

  • 241 Jail for Ashley // May 12, 2014 at 9:54 PM

    BandB,
    No I don’t think he does, he thinks he does or he’s got a lot of patsies in an Emperors new clothes scenario afraid to tell him it could all go wrong, the five players he was lauded for bringing in hasn’t moved us forward at all, we were desperately short of five players when they were bought but even more have since left, I’m not jumping on the mass exodus bandwagon this summer but every player that does go needs replacing PLUS the one or two that we are reportedly going to sign evry calendar year.

  • 242 Ian Toon // May 12, 2014 at 9:55 PM

    Sigh of relief from Sam Allardyce.

  • 243 Jail for Ashley // May 12, 2014 at 9:56 PM

    BandB,
    He is, but it’s which open mind I’m debating with that concerns me.

  • 244 scout // May 12, 2014 at 9:56 PM

    Would anyone like 77% profit if pardew is manager on the first day of the season?

  • 245 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 10:00 PM

    Jail,

    Are you saying the King is in the altogether?
    I’m sure he won’t like that!
    I’m sure he has a mirror.
    “I said FAIREST of them all you beautiful, reclining, smirking, lounge-lizard.
    Not fattest.
    Honest!

  • 246 Ian Toon // May 12, 2014 at 10:05 PM

    Jail- Quite. Every cretinous moron posting for the first time
    is not me. I don’t single you out unless you get cute.
    Do you talk about Ashley when engaging with strangers. ?
    I know what your vulnerable to and take no pleasure in hurting you
    emotionally- it would not be my intention. You suffer
    enough being a toon fan.

  • 247 Ian Toon // May 12, 2014 at 10:08 PM

    BandB- well done. You’ve got the job.

  • 248 Toon Tang // May 12, 2014 at 10:09 PM

    That Barca, Atletico last game of the season looks set to be an absolute cruncher eh

  • 249 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 10:11 PM

    Ian,

    As responses go to a bit of diplomacy, that was remarkably snide and silly.
    I am sure you don’t hurt Jail. That is not the balance of power between you.
    Whatever you may think, you have ground to make up.
    You have every right to be taken seriously.
    But you are your own worst enemy.

  • 250 Jail for Ashley // May 12, 2014 at 10:12 PM

    Ian,
    Carry on with the meds.

  • 251 Jail for Ashley // May 12, 2014 at 10:17 PM

    Toon Tang,
    They don’t come much juicier than that, can’t Real still win it though ?

  • 252 Toon Tang // May 12, 2014 at 10:20 PM

    Jail, they can only catch 2nd now because they lost last game. Good end to the season though eh, couldn’t have written it better if they tried.

  • 253 jimmysmith // May 12, 2014 at 10:23 PM

    Phil Dowd will have to justify those two red cards in his match report, and verbally if there is an appeal.

    The Dummett tackle looked terrible, true enough, although he seemed to be confused by the ball bouncing back off Suarez’ heal which may explain the wild lunge that at face value looked intended to break both legs. He seemed genuinely shocked be by the color of the card.

    Shola must have said something quite naughty, along the lines of calling Dowd a cheat or incompetent, repeatedly. Foul language is largely tolerated, unless it gets out of hand. If Dowd has simply taken some personal offence and a whim sent him off, he might get stood down for a bit.

  • 254 Jail for Ashley // May 12, 2014 at 10:25 PM

    It happened between Lpool and Arsenal back in the eighties, it can’t happen to often, a tie against Barca for the league and Real for CL, we couldn’t beat Cardiff
    :(

  • 255 Jail for Ashley // May 12, 2014 at 10:26 PM

    Jimmy,
    There’s something on the club web site, apparently he was just being sarcastic.

  • 256 Toon Tang // May 12, 2014 at 10:31 PM

    Ah yeah the thomas goal right at the death to win on GD I think. I think it was the basis for nick hornby fever pitch if I’m not mistaken. Really good film if you haven’t seen it. I haven’t read the book mind.

  • 257 Jail for Ashley // May 12, 2014 at 10:39 PM

    Might well have been, he’s written loads of books.

  • 258 Mister Tuff // May 12, 2014 at 10:39 PM

    Not much happening today at the Toon.

    BandB -apologies for being the French Grammar police but the correct pluralisation of madame is not madames but mesdames.

    Nothing much else new today on the blog but I now know why Swan Hunters failed.

  • 259 Jail for Ashley // May 12, 2014 at 10:47 PM

    Mister Tuff,
    Good evening, well if one of them worked at Swans it couldn’t be the fifteen year old son it must be the fifteen year old dad.

  • 260 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 10:48 PM

    Tuff,

    Why plural?
    Is there a plural?
    I didn’t think there was.
    Though I can’t see. or spell.
    How unlike you to be the Rozzers!
    Not like you.
    At all.

  • 261 Jail for Ashley // May 12, 2014 at 10:53 PM

    I think the blog is going to go into serious decline until at least the WC is over, I can’t remember the last one, we’d just bben promoted and there were happier times, people actually believed that Ashley learned from his mistakes and of course he wants us to succeed :O

  • 262 beermonkey // May 12, 2014 at 10:55 PM

    jail

    they were simpler times back then

  • 263 BandB // May 12, 2014 at 10:56 PM

    Can we please just agree to leave the small boy to his delusions of Grandad?
    Tonight was a remarkable example of how toe-curling it can be to watch a child congratulating itself on its own stupidity.

  • 264 welshgeordie9 // May 12, 2014 at 10:59 PM

    i see Chelsea and Man Utd are going to do their transfer business early i bet we leave it late like transfer window day.

    I blame some of the muppets on this blog

  • 265 welshgeordie9 // May 12, 2014 at 11:04 PM

    According to tomorrow’s daily telegraph Ashley is going give pardew 60 million to spend on players

  • 266 Mister Tuff // May 12, 2014 at 11:04 PM

    BandB -a strict translation of ladies and gentleman would be mesdames et messieurs. (Typically used at the commencement of a talk/speech to a mixed audience)
    You could also use the phrase (inverted ???) of messieurs-dames.

  • 267 SuperShearer // May 12, 2014 at 11:05 PM

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10825717/Newcastle-United-owner-Mike-Ashley-decides-against-sacking-Alan-Pardew-and-gives-him-60m-transfer-budget.html

  • 268 Mister Tuff // May 12, 2014 at 11:10 PM

    jail – evening -there seems to be one or two lame brains getting onto the blog these days -whilst better judgement should direct me not to engage -it’s bloody difficult and hard to resist.

  • 269 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 9:19 AM

    Tuff,

    I know. I wasn’t trying to write the plural. It was a typo dashed off in a hurry.




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