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Safe Pardew To Axe Many Senior Players – Including Ben Arfa

9:53 am, Tuesday, May 13th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 236 Comments

It will probably be announced later today that Alan Pardew is safe in his job as the Newcastle manager, and presumably that will come after the meeting with Mike Ashley and the Board, and so for the second time in 12 months Pardew narrowly escaped the sack at Newcastle and he will know he must do a better than 10th place next season.

ben arfa yellow stoke

Time called on Ben Arfa’s stay on Tyneside

But the good news – if it’s true – is that Ashley will give Pardew £60M in transfer funds to bring in new players this summer, and Newcastle want to tie up their transfer business before the World Cup begins early next month, but that could be difficult.

We had reported last week that as many as 13 players could leave this summer, but some of them were younger players – but as far as the senior players are concerned, it looks like time is up on Tyneside for Shola Ameobi, Ben Arfa, Sylvain Marveaux, Gabby Obertan, Jonas Gutierrez and Dan Gosling, who may be going to Bournemouth.

On loan strikers Luuk de Jong and Loic Remy will also be leaving the club this summer, and it seems touch and go whether local lad Steven Taylor will also be leaving the club.

It’s not surprising Steven wants to stay on Tyneside, and if we were to hazard a guess, we’d say he’ll be staying at home, at least for next season.

Younger players who will leave the club this summer include James Tavernier, Haris Vuckic, Conor Newton, Shane Ferguson, Romain Amalfitano, and perhaps Mehdi Abeid and local lad Michael Richardson.

Those are a lot of players who will be leaving Newcastle this summer, and we hope there are some very good players coming through the door, which we will need to see, if we are not going to be fighting relegation next season. 🙁

Comments welcome.

Tags: Loan Moves · Newcastle News · Transfer News and Rumours

236 responses so far ↓

  • 1 70TWO // May 13, 2014 at 9:55 AM

    Imagine if you were at the Fans Focus tonight and they announce Pardew is staying, transfers will be coming in, Shola is not getting a new playing contract and the club are happy to have finished 10th. What three questions would you want to be fully answered?

    My thoughts are that it is useless asking about the availability and amount of a transfer budget, or why there has not been an apology for employing the Joeker as DOF.

    1 – why was Pardew not sacked for violent conduct, the collapse of the team since Christmas and his inability to fully utilise the full squad of players at his disposal?

    2 – do the board intend to remove the opportunity to expand the stadium onto Strawberry Place and why?

    3 – will the target for next season include reaching a cup semi final and improve the strength of the squad to match this requirement?

    Can any one be more succinct or be able to expose the real issues that we need proper answers to?

  • 2 Tsunki // May 13, 2014 at 9:56 AM

    A victory for expediency over ambition.

  • 3 70TWO // May 13, 2014 at 9:57 AM

    Tsunki @21 last post

    Perhaps Q1 should be more about coaching as a whole?

  • 4 Scottiedog // May 13, 2014 at 9:59 AM

    @ 1 – Pardew was not sacked for Violent conduct as he did not actually make contact with him!!!!!!!

  • 5 70TWO // May 13, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    Scottiedog – that is the major flaw in Q1!

  • 6 70TWO // May 13, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    From what I remember of the Fans Forums they seem to be quite superficial Q&A sessions where there is a lack of incisive, or follow up questions. I imagine this is because they are preselected, but if those present were not so hung up on retaining their places at trough, there could be an agreement that only three good questions would be asked by all contributors. Then continually asked until properly answered under the threat of a no confidence vote.

    Would this make any difference?

  • 7 lesh // May 13, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    Hang on…..

    So Pardew might be given £60m to overhaul(strengthen?)an already inadequate squad?

    Yet at the same time, he’ll be clearing some first team squad players out – presumably some attracting a fee?

    What’ll happen to any income generated from the sales? And can we take it the £20m or so raised by Cab’s sale will be part of the reported £60m or could it go towards making that £60m, £80m?

    Answers on a postcard please to…….

  • 8 toonarmydownsouth // May 13, 2014 at 10:07 AM

    Lol that’s quality Jesper in for Krul next season!

  • 9 KingNash // May 13, 2014 at 10:10 AM

    “and Dan Gosling, who may be going to Bournemouth.”

    Says it all really

  • 10 toonarmydownsouth // May 13, 2014 at 10:11 AM

    I have no idea, asked the same last night

    A lot of the players rumoured to be out the door like HBA Tayls Marv Krul are I’d imagine some of the higher earners too

    So do there wages and fees also go back into the pot or is just here’s £60 mil and you need to replace all out goings as well as strengthening that was needed any way

  • 11 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    I would love to know where this £60m kitty has came from, afterall Ashley doesn’t speak to the press and unless Charnley has said something which I am unaware of then all I can assume is that it is made up nonsense, does anyone know if Charnley has made a statement indicating a large transfer fund ?

  • 12 Laurent Robert 32 // May 13, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    For the amount of players who will leave, compared to the amount that will come in, we’ll have even less numbers than last season.

  • 13 toonarmydownsouth // May 13, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    I think if you were to go rogue from the preselected questions I’d imagine the borrowed security team from dekka’s casino would hastily rush you out the exit door!

  • 14 firebug666 // May 13, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    Scottiedog – 70TWO

    Q1, But the intent was there, and at the very least he brought the club into disrepute. I does not matter how it gets put, either he did or did not make contact. The simple fact is he brought the club into disrepute and lost the dressing room.

    What followed was a shambles of the team that played so well before Christmas. IMO he should have been sacked and my question would be, why was he not?

  • 15 JAMSHA // May 13, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    fk u pardew is the one who should be axed.. if any of our top players are axed… protest

  • 16 one Tony Green // May 13, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    What a crock. Ed you are just guessing who is leaving and have no insight to what is going at the club. As for 60 million really when did Ashley say that. 60 million Turkish Lira not pounds sterling.

  • 17 Lilongwe Geordie // May 13, 2014 at 10:20 AM

    After the article was published Luke Edwards, the writer retracted the “£60million” as he had received a call from NUFC stating that it was incorrect. Check his twitter feed for the tweet about it.

  • 18 KingNash // May 13, 2014 at 10:20 AM

    Re: Tony Green

    It was in the Telegraph this morning mate.

  • 19 one Tony Green // May 13, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    No point second guessing what is happening at The Toon. Papers linking us with players who Chelsea and Man City are looking to buy is paper code for we have no chance.

  • 20 toonarmydownsouth // May 13, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    I have it on good authority there was an error, it wasn’t £60 mil, it’s 60 million tic tacs that Pardew has been given to ensure he goes into the season with the squad as fresh as possible

  • 21 70TWO // May 13, 2014 at 10:25 AM

    toonarmydownsouth – I have no idea who are members of the Fans Faorum, but they appear a bit soft, disparate and easily lead by NUFC agenda. Are they so daft that they do not think to have a pre-Fan Forum meeting, get themselves organised and ask the real questions that we need answers to? Despite the personal consequence and imagine the media embarrassment and potential UEFA sanctions. This is the only real portal fans have and it is being wasted.

  • 22 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 10:26 AM


    as you say the article has been amended, perhaps he had one zero too many ?

  • 23 one Tony Green // May 13, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    @lilongwe so much misinformation is put out. The Club could do itself huge favours if it communicated properly with the fans.

  • 24 Big pec // May 13, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    Money should already have been spent, promises promises, we winged it big style, looks like
    MA and AP have taken the heat again and are still in the kitchen!!!

    When does the next bomb get dropped on Baghdad FC, something ill be in store wont it, the owner thrives on upsetting the apple-cart dosnt he, Shola no doubts getting a new contract or shiffted to the coaching side of things, oh bloody hell, just waiting for that one, also Luke De Jong has done squat all to get a deal at the Toon, forwards with no pace are not clever at all, had more than enough chances hasnt he.


  • 25 TurkishFan101 // May 13, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    What gets me is who has given pardew the “green-light” the go ahead without even meeting Mike Ashley which he is supposedly doing today and a official statement out as well.

    Looks to me there is going to be a U-Turn and we will see Parses sacked?

    Here’s hoping..

  • 26 70TWO // May 13, 2014 at 10:31 AM


    I agree, but may be Q1 should be about the quality of coaching throughout the club matching the targets set and delivering players who progress technically. But for that there would need to be an overall philosophy and mission statement, things you do not find in a bargain bin.

  • 27 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM

    @15, even that amount is wishful thinking lol

  • 28 jimmysmith // May 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM

    What on earth is Ed babbling on about?

  • 29 Lilongwe Geordie // May 13, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    Maybe they misunderstood when they read blogs and local journos saying they were lacking tactics.

    I’d imagine there is £60 million to spend, the thing that was wrong was that it was for transfers. Most of it is for Mike’s Yacht parties over the summer.

    It is a massive issue the communication, but then I think the distrust is so entrenched now that it would take a long time for us to believe what they say anyway, even if the problem was addressed.

  • 30 Go toon gooooo // May 13, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    Empty,half empty or so St.James’ Park is the answer.Ben Arfa to leave.That is unforgivable.

  • 31 TurkishFan101 // May 13, 2014 at 10:36 AM


    I pray to god that it is a U-Turn and we indeed get rid of Pardew.

    What is the point to sign 6+ players for them to get pardewed and risk profit.

    Surely Mike you can’t do this? Please sack Parses!!

  • 32 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 10:37 AM

    LG, that’ll be right, he has yacht parties whilst the club is sinking !

  • 33 Lilongwe Geordie // May 13, 2014 at 10:40 AM

    One day we will get our revenge, and we will have a party while his yacht sinks.

    (Disclaimer: No lives were lost in the sinking of the yacht)

  • 34 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 10:42 AM

    If anyone read the Luke Edwards report you would have seen that the expected drop in season ticket sales has not materialised, yet last week many were saying that sales are well down, do we have any figures or actual knowledge of how ticket sales are going, I would never criticize anyone for getting a ticket as that is what supporters do, but if ticket sales are not down then that would be a blow to us wanting rid of Ashley.

  • 35 firebug666 // May 13, 2014 at 10:43 AM


    Yep, I have said in the past that if this club is to have a clear out of deadwood then it should start with the coaching staff and then work on the team.

    At this moment the club appears to be in disarray without anyone actually standing up and giving fans or the media any sort of information this only leads to speculation.

    The fans have not only turned on the club, but it seems we are turning on each other (another point for Ashley) and not many can agree or agree to disagree with what we speculate is happening at the club.

    This is where the Fans Forum should step forward and drag the information from the NUFC reps attending the meeting, All the fans now need to united and look to getting a just and proper line of communication going between the club and the fans.

  • 36 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    It will be interesting today to see whether the statement has the nerve to claim that the season is a success because we hit the 10th place target.
    The 10th place target Pardew claimed didn’t exist a few weeks ago when he thought he might miss it.
    Odd that the new MD didn’t contradict him then, even though Charnley had himself re-stated the target just a few weeks before.

  • 37 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    Band B, I think we read too much into the top 10 target, even failing to meet the target wouldn’t necessarily mean dismissal, finishing 11/12th and just failing would have probably meant a must do better telling off, I don’t see Ashley looking at 10th as being successful but 11th as being a complete failure which meant dismissal, I think it was the fans who were hoping that 11th would make sure dismissal would be the outcome, I doubt that it was set in stone so to speak.

  • 38 FNUKLNUK // May 13, 2014 at 10:52 AM

    The £60 million war chest statement has already been withdrawn from the same journalist on the request of the club.

  • 39 70TWO // May 13, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    firebug666 – well said

  • 40 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 10:55 AM

    If my MD says “this is your target” publicly, then I would be very foolish indeed to gainsay him publicly a few days later.
    That we accept this kind of blatant manipulation as the norm at Newcastle United is very sad indeed.
    The targets were for public consumption, and blithely disowned when they became inconvenient.
    I bet they don’t set a target for next year. “Pardew knows he must do better.” says Ed. I would wager he knows no such thing.

  • 41 firebug666 // May 13, 2014 at 10:57 AM


    Just goes to show how the right hand of the club has no idea what the left hand is doing.

    We know from previous statements and interviews that the club is totally inconsistent in their announcements such as they are, and that they have a tendency to misrepresent the truth.

    All in all they will tell you we are going for a champions league place and are bidding for Ronaldo and Messi if it will sell next seasons tickets. How can fans be expected to have faith in a club that so misrepresents itself.

  • 42 Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    Well I never, who’d have thought mag, guvnor, welsh Geordie and validator were the same person as jeff, bob, etc and won’t be posting again until their next recreation.

  • 43 Ancientcoptic // May 13, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    In dreamland – Newcastle have a war chest and players are about to be signed…

    In reality – multiple players are packing their bags as we speak; heading for the airports and leaving the club with an alarmingly weak squad. A squad that could only win 4 games in 21 – being severely weakened….

    The media used to report Arsenal had a 50/60m war chest every summer, for something like 10 years, in which time it was never spent to nobodies surprise.

    How much does it cost these days, to run a story in the media that attempts to sway opinion and string people along? Ashley’s PR department has clearly contacted the Telegraph, and asked them to run an anonymous piece… my guess for about 10k.

    We will get 2 players, and that will be sold to us as the club progressing… even though we have right, these are no longer NUFC players.


    Also, players on the books but are non-useable:

    Cisse (to injury)
    Gutierrez (to age)
    Ben Arfa (Pardew hates him)
    Bigirima (Bermuda Triangle)
    Marveaux (Pardew’s 2nd least favourite)
    Ryan Taylor (2 years out ????)

    By my count – our squad finishes the season and goes into the summer depleted by 11 players… either through sales, end of contracts or the mismanagement of players already at the club.

  • 44 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    BandB, you and Firebug are correct as they do change their minds to suit themselves, it’s just that a target is only a target, it’s not a demand so personally I don’t feel that we should look upon it as a demand which I feel some have done, anyway, the only thing which I feel that matters to Ashley is staying in the prem and as long as Pardew does that then I fear he will stay, why Ashley doesn’t simplify it by saying 17th or higher is the target baffles me as we all know that that is his target ?

  • 45 Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    I wish Ed would stop stating that the deadwood like Obertan will be cleared out, this is not normal rubbish, it is rubbish on a contract that will not be bettered anywhere else on the planet at this given time, the rubbish we have has every right whether it is right or wrong to stay until the end of their contracts.

  • 46 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    Don’t tempt fate Jail.
    His Da will be waking him up for his dinner any time in the next hour or so.

  • 47 Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    To say that 17th would suffice would be a PR disaster to top all the other ones.

  • 48 Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2014 at 11:10 AM

    I have it from good authority he is banned.

  • 49 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 11:11 AM


    Perhaps you move in a different world to me.
    But I have never been in any doubt that the targets I have been set were also DEMANDS.

    That isn’t my point.
    My point is that they WILL claim the credit for hitting the target. Whether or not you were fussed.

  • 50 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 11:14 AM

    Jail, I am not sure it would be a disaster, it should be a disaster, but if it was announced I bet much more than half of us would say, yes we have known that for quite while, that will never get said and this is silly what I am saying, but I hope you know what I am trying to say, to simplify basically whatever public target gets announced should just be ignored as we all know what the real target is, so why don’t they just say it, if you know what I mean

  • 51 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 11:14 AM


    Poof is not a nice word.
    I’m pleased if Ed has acted.
    Because the police would have done.

    I hope the rest of us can move on and get back to the real business of cordially loathing each other.
    Must go….

  • 52 Black and White with an army lol // May 13, 2014 at 11:17 AM

    ins, outs who cares either way relegation next season with Pardew in charge.

    to hell with the so called transfer money I would rather sack Pardew than to get any player through or even spend any money to bring players in

  • 53 Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    Exactly at least we can all hate each other in peace now 🙂

  • 54 the truth will out // May 13, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    things go up in a poof of smoke

  • 55 Black and White with an army lol // May 13, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    why do every paper and online site assume Newcastle are after managers from across the world

  • 56 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    BandB, all I am saying is that personally any target which the club comes out with is ignored by me as avoiding relegation is all they want, now to be if I am told that this is what someone would like me to get, then that is a target, however if they say this is the minimum of what I must get then that is a demand which is totally different to a target, they cannot be treat as the same as they are different.

  • 57 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    by the way who has or may have been banned, I have obviously missed something ?

  • 58 guvnor // May 13, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    Well done Pardew, get rid of all you up the posers and dross, that stitched you up by not performing on the pitch!

  • 59 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 11:31 AM

    BaWwaa, here me out here, if keeping Pardew could ensure relegation, would he then not be worth keeping, as we all know safety so the sky millions is all that Ashley wants, so going down could deprive him of that which may encourage him to sell, I know what I am say is very drastic but as we are we are nothing, going down might mean staying down, but it might mean coming back up with at least a little bit of hope, as drastic as it sounds it is food for thought.

  • 60 Ian Magpie // May 13, 2014 at 11:32 AM

    Not commented for a long long time. I am a child of the 70’s and 80’s! I missed the Leazes Roar but grew up in the Gallowgate Corner. Often standing on a barrier, in the middle, leading the noise!!! I have witnesssed far darker times than what we have at the moment and was at Derby and Leicester when we so very nearly went into oblivion! Proud to say i was there when we beat Pompey and the place went balistic! Sadly……Im tired!! Although ive seen the club in a worse state, I have to say that i have never seen our fans so divided and down trodden in all the years ive followed this great club. The roar passion that i grew up with has gone! As fans today, we do what we are told, sit (most often, quietly) and watch! The atmosphere in the ground is nothing short of depressing. The days of leaving the ground with a din in your ears is now sadly a long distant memory! The lethargy that has now prevailed is sad to the extreme. The Ashley regime has killed it for me. Sadly until he has gone….I wont go back until this parasit has been removed from our great club. This is me making my own personal stand and it hurts like bloody hell! However i will not line Ashley’s pockets nomore! £60 million….I really dont care if it was £160 million! Its too late, i have pride and stick by my convictions……I wont go back until this vile greedy disease of a man is gone from our club! My choice!! Respect to you all what ever you do!

  • 61 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 11:44 AM

    Ian, I was born in the mid 60’s and I have never witnessed as bad as this, yes we have been far worse of in league stature and had far worse teams than now, but what we now have is an owner who has made it clear that mid table is the best we will get as that is all that is required for him to make his money, they even said that cups are not a priority as they don’t make enough money, where is the hope, its gone, its been stripped, the passion which we have always had is waning, it could be argued that others in the past have been no better than Ashley, perhaps they have but never did they publically say give us you money but don’t expect to get anything back in return, which is basically what this man is doing, he has ripped the heart out of us and we have no hope, no hope at all, so yes we may have had worse league finishes and worse teams, but we have always had hope and passion, but not now so to me we have never had it as bad.

  • 62 corkypants // May 13, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    Ian Mag
    Same i have not been on since we sold cabaye with no replacement nor have i posted on here! and it does hurt like hell we must be the only club in the world with a billionaire owner that will not spend a dot on players he only cares about his own bank balance, good old sir bobby will be turning in his grave. Its a real shame to see such great fans treated with well NOTHING these people running the club cant even be bothered to Liaise properly with the fans let alone anything else it a crying shame!!!!

  • 63 stuart no9 // May 13, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    2 things — first £ 60M ? It might as well be 600M the money is irrelevant. while pardew is in charge, forget it lads , it dosnt matter, the football will be the same.

    second – If he stays the abuse must stay with it . This wont go away , he has to be made to suffer at every opportunity, what ever kind of abuse is needed will follow him , I still think there could be a twist regarding pardew , lets wait and see.

  • 64 santonthenewmaldini // May 13, 2014 at 12:08 PM

    Maybe just maybe Ashley has looked at Liverpool and Southampton and realised that if we got a couple of players at the 10 million mark eg Coutinho / Sturridge/ Wanyama etc we could turn it around quite quickly with added quality?

    60 million to spend say 40 million on a few Gem’s from Carr’s notebook and 20 million on 3 solid premiership players which would give us some depth and fight in the team ….. we can all dream!!

    Colback , Ince, Gomis, Hunt and Kabul are all free agents in the summer get them all signed!!!Realistic targets for Ashley I would say

  • 65 theartfuldodger // May 13, 2014 at 12:22 PM

    We shall start a clearout and have a tough time getting players over the line..

    In the end we shall become the laughing stock of the football world..

    Ashley is trying to change the rules of the game…but all he is doing is managing to postpone disaster…

    Get business done early? Why exactly will gud players want to come here so soon..wouldnt they want to assess their options…and who says other clubs wont be conducting their business early..look at shaw and diego costa..we are already lagging behind..

    A better ploy would be to target players whose value has gone down aftr a poor wcup..

  • 66 Belfast // May 13, 2014 at 12:25 PM

    60 million ha ha ha ha brilliant.
    Biggest piss take ever.

    I can already see the pigs flying in the sky….

  • 67 Belfast // May 13, 2014 at 12:32 PM

    Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    Hope that’s true Jail.

    I had suspected that welsh geordie was a troll ages ago.

    Actually stopped coming on at here at night time, because of the trolling from him and his many accounts….

  • 68 toonarmydownsouth // May 13, 2014 at 12:32 PM

    Your not getting more people the boot from the blog are ya! 😉

  • 69 toonarmydownsouth // May 13, 2014 at 12:35 PM

    Ian Magpie

    Fantastic post

  • 70 ronjohno // May 13, 2014 at 12:37 PM

    If Pardew is kept on then he is going to need a cracking start to the season otherwise he is going to get even more torment from the fans than he has had recently and our season will be ruined once again.

  • 71 ERER // May 13, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    I’m sick of the club being linked with Bafe Gomis, he is the single worst striker I’ve ever seen.

    He has the #1 offside record in europe.
    [Cisse is 3rd]

    But the club have been linked with him for so long now I think it’s unlikely that they’d go for him now he’s nearing 30

    Anyone hoping we don’t sell Mehdi Abeid when he returns? He has been fantastic over in Greece and the squad could do with that kind of depth, some games later in the season we were playing with 0 midfield substitutes

  • 72 // May 13, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    Looking at booking the Bubble Football offer?


    You can now play at Goals Football Newcastle (Gosforth Park) with their pitches from 5 a side all the way to 11 a side pitches, perfect for Bubble Football.

  • 73 Belfast // May 13, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    It’s a bit weird that all his accounts spent lots of time chatting to themselves and arguing with themselves though.

    Ah well just another nutcase by the looks of it.

  • 74 Ian Magpie // May 13, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    Spoof……Well said mate! Without hope, what is there? Although i respect everyones point of view, I sincerely hope everyone looks at the problem that is Ashley and doesn’t re-new their season tickets. For me its the only way of showing the fat leech. I urge any fan to swallow your pain like i am and don’t go! Its truly heart braeking! Ive had my loyalty questioned about my decision but to me I am showing loyalty to the club and to the culture, history and future by trying to make a stand against the leech that currently owns it. Its my club and i am going to fight for it my way! Remember we will still have a Newcastle UTD long after he is gone and he wont be here for ever. Sad sad times! As you say the heart of the club has been ripped out and all we have now is a pale imitation.

  • 75 Belfast // May 13, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    You never did get back to me about those g star jeans ?

  • 76 Tsunki // May 13, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    Yay result only the odious Belfast character to boot off and it’d job done woohoo! 🙂

  • 77 Belfast // May 13, 2014 at 12:44 PM

    No mention of 60 million in that luke edwards article ?

    Spelling mistake ed ?

  • 78 Zambiantoon // May 13, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    letting go of Benny is going to be the biggest mistake Pardew will make as he is the only creative player we have. everyone else is boring as f#*k.

  • 79 Belfast // May 13, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    Ah thanks Skunki.
    My new strategy of not coming on at night worked anyway.

    He started to annoy you instead, which was a nice added bonus.

  • 80 toonarmydownsouth // May 13, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    Don’t suppose you’ve got any players on the website?
    Give Ashley a buzz 20% off Heskey and we’ll throw in Darius Vassel free?

  • 81 Tsunki // May 13, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    Benny does not fit in the Pardew 80’s style stay in the league whatever it takes attrition style. He’s wasted precious years here, should have gone to a side with some flair about them.

  • 82 pawl250 // May 13, 2014 at 12:53 PM

    If I had a 60 million war chest….

    1. ST – Shola – Out of Contract
    2. MD – Jonas – Out of Contract
    3. DF – R Taylor – 500k (Last year of contract)
    4. MD – Gosling – Out of Contract
    5. MD – Ben Arfa – 5m (last year of contract)
    6. MD – Obertan – 1m
    7. MD – Amalfitnao – 250k
    8. ST – Remy – Return Loan
    9. ST – De Jong – Return Loan

    1. ST- Gomis – Free
    2. MD – Colback – Free
    3. MD – Grenier – 12m
    4. MD – Siem De Jong – 7m
    5. MD – Wijnaldum – 5m
    6. MD – Cabella – 12m
    8. DF – Richards – FREE
    9. ST – Austin – 10m

    Promote Street, Bigi, Armstrong to first team regulars.

  • 83 Average_Contents // May 13, 2014 at 12:54 PM


    The amount got retracted so now it’s just “large transfer war chest” lol

    The club rottweilers got in touch and set him straight (probably offered SD vouchers and an exclusive on our next signing) 😉 I hear they offered that 2 windows ago and he fell for it again

  • 84 ERER // May 13, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    So what are the chances of Pardew copying liverpool and we get our own SAS strike partnership next season?

    Shola and Sammy

  • 85 Belfast // May 13, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    I would say this transfer war chest is probably full of sports direct mugs/mags and a few slazenger tennis balls.

  • 86 Belfast // May 13, 2014 at 1:05 PM

    You could just imagine Pardew with 60 million to spend.

    Carroll, Carlton Cole, James Tomkins, Gareth Barry.

    Always liked that Michael Turner from Norwich Mike, can I sign him too please ?? heeeeees a great lad him

  • 87 catchy in norway // May 13, 2014 at 1:08 PM

    in reality , if it is 60 million, that’s only gona cover agents fees and wages for the next 3 years on 4 free signings

    isn’t that how it works ? we were told so by the club

    anyway it could be 200 million, it won’t take the club forward, it’s just another chance for p45due to show how inept he really is ,

  • 88 toonarmydownsouth // May 13, 2014 at 1:11 PM

    Club confirm Pardews position is safe

  • 89 martoon // May 13, 2014 at 1:17 PM

    I don’t know if this has already been discussed but I’ve just checked my predictions I did for TDSarf at the beginning of the season – I’m amazed I got pretty close to our points total and postition but miles out on leading goalscorer 🙂

    martoon // Aug 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    ToonDarnSarf – my predictions
    League position 10
    No of points 48
    L. Cup round 5
    FA Cup round 3
    1st team signings 4
    1st team leaving 2
    Top goal scorer Cisse
    No of goals 15
    Month AP sacked Not
    New Manager N/A

  • 90 theartfuldodger // May 13, 2014 at 1:17 PM

    All this positivity around transfers is utter nonsense..

    All we know is that Cabaye and Remy will be replaced…(will need to be)

    We know nothing more..

    Has Pardew mentioned the word ClearOut…??

    For all we know next season our striker options will be same…only remy replaced..

    And for goodness sake…why would ppl want Ryan Taylor out. He is the ONLY ONE who can take freekicks and corners…and cross the damn ball..

  • 91 Average_Contents // May 13, 2014 at 1:23 PM


    lol the faces he pulls are what makes the vid

  • 92 Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2014 at 1:29 PM

    Belfast, tads,
    Yes true on both accounts, it was getting ridiculous, this is only the second time I’ve mailed Ed about a poster, I suspected welsh Geordie was the same because of guvnor, him and mag always greeting each other and bigging each other up, Ed confirmed they were all the same poster and the same as eric, ted etc incidentally the only other one I’ve complained about, what can be done about him starting up again I don’t know.

  • 93 mindshaft // May 13, 2014 at 1:29 PM

    60 million my ar5e

  • 94 Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2014 at 1:34 PM

    I remember seeing the gulf of points between us and tenth at the beginning of the year and saying only a bus crash or similar could see us slip to tenth, Pardew managed it without said bus crash or similar.

  • 95 Ancientcoptic // May 13, 2014 at 1:39 PM

    Jail for Ashley

    I suspected mag & guvnor were the same person. (I wasn’t sure about welsh)

    guvnor got into a squabble with me yesterday, and when it was evident he was losing, mag showed up to declare guvnor the victor… how weak lol.

    When (if ever) he ups his game, maybe he will not have to invent monikers to support his arguments.

  • 96 GEORDIE69 // May 13, 2014 at 1:46 PM

    Ashley: Let’s get a story out there to fool those thick Geordies into renewing for next season.

    Story: Toon have 60 million to spend.

    Fans: Wow Messi, Ronaldo Lahm ect ect minus Shola, = 60 Million – Exciting times ahead!

  • 97 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 1:58 PM

    Well…my preference would be to get a more professional, engaging tactical and attack-minded coach in but honestly, that’s because I want some success next year.

    What is best for our club in the medium to long term is to ensure that we are well established as a top 10 (and preferably top 8) club as that is a fantastic baseline to challenge for Europe and for cups. Sponsors will pay more because they can be confident we will stay in the league and there’s a chance we’ll be in Europe and young players will be more enticed to join us as they don’t want to get sucked into a relegation battle.

    The sensible thing to do is firstly to ensure we’re a solid top 10 team and then look to push on without taking too many risks. I know many fans would like to see a gung-ho push for Europe and cups but if we failed then we’d have run up more debt, players (that we signed for above market value) would demand to leave and we’d make losses on them, and we’d end up struggling in the bottom half, or worse, again…

    So, I get it, I do. Not happy about it because I’d like to see more attacking football but I do get it. And I can’t think of a single manager that we could realistically get and is anything more than a massive gamble. Last year Martinez looked the best bet but he went to a club that finished above us, before that there was Rodgers but likewise. Poyet is probably the closest to that but he’s not managed in the PL for long and won’t leave for us…he’s not that kind of guy…

    So if Pardew is staying, I really urge all NUFC fans to get behind him. I hope the target is upped (top 8) and I think looking like bottom half will see him sacked, but I hope we all get behind him as we all want a successful NUFC team.

  • 98 cestriasteve // May 13, 2014 at 2:00 PM


    I have to share with you the priceless conversation I’ve just had with my nephew who works for me and text me on Sunday to say the a filled staff wouldn’t let him in on Sunday, it went like this:

    Me: so how bad were you?

    Josh: I wasn’t that bad, I only had 8 cans on the way down, 3 bottles of jaeger but that was amongst 8 of us and then 4 pints before the match and another 4 jaeger bombs.

    Me: so a quiet afternoon then??

    Josh: honest I wasn’t that bad, I mean I pissed myself at Palace and still got in

    I just walked away, head shaking!!!

  • 99 toonarmydownsouth // May 13, 2014 at 2:09 PM

    Spurs have Sacked Sherwood and apparently want Pochettino

    C’mon Ash, targets hit or not get De Boer in
    You want to produce talent rather than buy it, then get a manager with suited experience

  • 100 toonarmydownsouth // May 13, 2014 at 2:10 PM

    Good on ya, sadly they’ll pop up again a couple of weeks…

  • 101 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 2:14 PM


    Now where have I heard the phrase There Is No Alternative before?
    I associate it with some very bad times in the north that thankfully didn’t last forever.
    It seems there is always someone down your neck of the wood prescribing years and years of nasty medicine for us.

    Why instead, don’t we instead employ a manager who can get the best out of even his troublesome stars, instead of treating them with thinly-veiled suspicion and contempt?
    Who can play attractive attacking football that scores goals, instead of one who cannot manage even the scoring goals part. One who sets up not to concede and regularly concedes a hatful?
    Who can challenge for the title righjt up to the last day of the season, and win a place in the Champions’ League?

    Like the team that finished three places and 13 points below us 24 months ago.

  • 102 Lilongwe Geordie // May 13, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    Has De Boer got the experience of developing talent? Or is he at Ajax who have produced and developed talented players regularly for years before De Boer even came through the ranks as a player?

  • 103 Ian Toon // May 13, 2014 at 2:21 PM

    Ian Magpie – David “Ned” Kelly he featured in my father and Grandfather stories growing up . We Beat Portsmouth at SJP 1-0, scored by Ned which arguably kept us out of the third division. My Dad was at the Derby and Leicester final day game where hundreds of fans were outside Filbert Street singing the Blaydon Races long after the final whistle. He used to regularly talk about his unhappiest time following the toon when we lost in the early 1970’s to Hereford then a non league club in an FA Cup replay. The BBC don’t let us forget it around 3rd round time every season.

    Growing up with KK as Manager and witnessing a wonderful array of talented players who saw us dominate sides at SJP it seemed that there was little to whine about.
    Yours was an excellent post and I award you my POTD.
    Keep posting- maybe us youngsters can then stop whining and appreciate that everything in football as in life is relative.

  • 104 Lilongwe Geordie // May 13, 2014 at 2:26 PM

    Ned was great. Felt a bit sorry for him that he was discarded when we were promoted to the Premier league, despite being n integral figure at the club for years. He was coaching somewhere last time I heard, either Preston or Leicester, that was a while ago though.

  • 105 Lilongwe Geordie // May 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

    Assistant Manager at Notts Forest, seems he goes wherever Billy Davies does.

  • 106 Ian Toon // May 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

    BandB – the most common use of ” There is no alternative” is mostly used to convey in the economic sense a reference to the Structural Deficit bequeathed to the Nation by the last government and the need for austerity measures in order that we can pay our way in the world.

  • 107 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 2:29 PM


    Now why doesn’t that surprise me?

  • 108 Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2014 at 2:32 PM

    That was twice you mentioned top ten in that last post, we have enough propoganda from the regime without you
    you trying to subliminally brain wash us on here.

  • 109 mag // May 13, 2014 at 2:32 PM

    Jail impossible to wash your brain.

  • 110 Ian Toon // May 13, 2014 at 2:33 PM

    Lilongwe- Imre Varadi (?) went the same way when KK was a player and he persuaded Arthur Cox that we needed an up grade hence the signing of Pancho.
    Hope that’s the right sequence!

  • 111 DokToon // May 13, 2014 at 2:36 PM

    gmornign all,

    wanted to say ancient, well done, welsh/mag/guv/jeff (insert alias here) has been causing masive amounts of grief to me as well… good riddance and way to stand up to the insane one

    and BandB, hello to you 🙂

  • 112 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 2:37 PM


    I had absolutely NOTHING to do with it…..

    hello to you too.

  • 113 Ian Toon // May 13, 2014 at 2:40 PM

    BandB- Sorry you couldn’t broker the deal Henreitta Kissinger style. For me it was presented in the manner when a kid of” say sorry to your brother”. He was really apologetic for all the persona garbage which I am sure the less discerning
    Would believe. Anyway that’s the curtain closing. Enjoy the sunshine, Sunshine.

  • 114 Mister Tuff // May 13, 2014 at 2:41 PM

    As someone pointed out earlier having a whole load of pea brains appearing on here in the evenings was a put off for decent posters. On numerous occasions I did not bother to post because of the presence of these utter tools. Good riddance to them all.

  • 115 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 2:45 PM


    I was only one person.
    This talking to yourself thing always ends in tears.


    Enjoy your afternoon

  • 116 Ian Toon // May 13, 2014 at 2:45 PM

    Lilongwe- Something I have been meaning to ask you:
    – How do you rate Anita.
    – Playing in the PL what is his best position.

  • 117 Lilongwe Geordie // May 13, 2014 at 2:46 PM

    Pancho was George Robledo I think, that was way back before KK’s time.

    Are you mixing him up with Mirandinha, who arrived in the 80’s, although a bit after KK I think. Keegan, Beardsley and Waddle were the attacking triumvirate at the time.

  • 118 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 2:46 PM

    It was only one person, I meant to say.
    I AM only one, obv…..

  • 119 DokToon // May 13, 2014 at 2:48 PM


    we’re all in this together 🙂

    for the love of the club and the sanity of our blog 🙂

  • 120 Ian Toon // May 13, 2014 at 2:49 PM

    Mr Tuff- What’s happened? Is it the end of civilisation as we know it!

  • 121 kevymartins // May 13, 2014 at 2:49 PM

    Good evening gents.

    Ed made a mistake under that German Striker post. Under the picture it says something like 22 year old U21 german striker.

    60 million war chest pfff never in a 60 million years. Newcastle supporters should know by now what hand we will be delt a few free agents so we can sell them on.

    What bad weather just hit Ireland wow.

  • 122 Ian Toon // May 13, 2014 at 2:50 PM

    Wasn’t Pancho Peter Beardsley ? Obviously not.

  • 123 Ian Toon // May 13, 2014 at 2:52 PM

    Silly me – it was Pedro- LOL.

  • 124 Lilongwe Geordie // May 13, 2014 at 2:54 PM

    I like Anita. He is an uncomplicated sort of midfielder and has better football and spatial intelligence then pretty much the rest of our squad. He is more suited to a deeper midfield role, although not your traditional bone crunching defensive midfielder. He is excellent at keeping play moving and is ideal to receive the ball from the back line to distribute to a player with more creativity, higher up the pitch.

    As a defensive minded midfielder, some say he lacks strength and presence, but that is fine by me, he doesn’t really need them. When he plays there, particularly in our side he is excellent at offering protection to our full backs. He is intelligent enough to drop in and make sure there is no gaping hole when Debuchy/Santon/Other Left backs pushed on.

  • 125 kevymartins // May 13, 2014 at 2:55 PM

    I just had a very intresting conversation with an Arsenal fan who seems to believe and try get Newcastle fans to think that Theirry Henry was better than Alan Shearer in ever aspect of the game, Some people reallly need to go check a few records.

    Alan has like 140 more goals than him in the premier league that speaks for its self.

  • 126 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 3:03 PM

    Ian Toon, I was born in the mid 60’s so I am a little older than Ian Magpie who did right a good heart felt post, however what I beg of you and all of those who are younger than I is to never allow any of us older ones to tell you that it has been worse so your generation has nothing to complain about, now Ian Magpie did not say or imply that but some can and do say that, tell them to sod off, failing in the past should never be used as a way of suggesting that failing now is acceptable, we have nearly always failed in the past, but that is not a valid reason for failing now and in the future.

  • 127 bobby mango // May 13, 2014 at 3:05 PM

    Been reading this same list of exits for weeks now… Can’t wait to see them go and be replaced (by hopefully some better players).

    Sad for hba to go but it was never going to work under Pardew.
    Think Taylor is with keeping.
    Remy we can’t do anything about.
    Aside from those I say good riddance

  • 128 Mister Tuff // May 13, 2014 at 3:14 PM

    BandB @114 – indeed – it not only ends in tears but also the psychologists office.

    Ian Toon -end of civilisation -well not quite. Difficult to have a decent debate with “grrrrrr and ugggggggg” types and dare I say multiple posters.
    It is also difficult to debate with those who have entrenched views (on non football matters -such as accountancy). Bottom line is non of us know exactly what the clubs finances are -we have a general idea but the exact ins and outs are obscured by lets say some non transparent practices. It is sometimes suggested that any “errors” in the accounts would be spotted. As I have posted on numerous occasions,and giving examples, the UK’s best accountancy firms often get it wrong and miss dodgy practices. Whoever vouches for the clubs accounts (including ALL financial dealings) is a fool because they do not know the fine details.

  • 129 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 3:15 PM

    I’ve just read a report which suggests that we have already signed Bafetimbi Gomis on a pre-contract agreement, does anyone know if this is true or more press rubbish.

  • 130 Mister Tuff // May 13, 2014 at 3:22 PM

    spoof – the Mirror did an article 3 months ago with quotes from Gomis denying any pre-contract agreements with anyone. His is a free agent now though.

  • 131 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 3:23 PM


    I’ve just had a little (and inaccurate) bit of “schooling” from Ian on the origins of the phrase “There is no alternative.” (TINA)
    I suppose it’s a phrase that was never going to apply to him……..

  • 132 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 3:23 PM

    Mister Tuff, and the tax office will not bother to chase up every penny even if they know there is a fiddle going on, they only chase it up if its worth there while, I know this as my wife is a tax inspector who does many high profile cases, including football clubs, managers and players, boy could I tell you some stories, she has done many tax avoidance cases which is popular with football generally !, so as you rightly say, we never know the actual accounts, all we can do is try to guess.

  • 133 catchy in norway // May 13, 2014 at 3:24 PM


    never going to happen, pardew is a dead man walking , even if ( and it’s a big if) he starts well, the next slip up , he will be hounded like no one has been hounded before , this is why he should go now

  • 134 lukes26 // May 13, 2014 at 3:26 PM

    Newcastle only have 5 players who could start for a top 5 club. Coloccini, tiote, krul, debuchy and possibly Sissoko.

    Newcastle need at least 6 signings to compete w/top 5

  • 135 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 3:26 PM

    Cheers Miaster Tuff, shame as I do believe that Gomis could do a decent job, mind it could still happen yet.

  • 136 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 3:27 PM


    Did you actually read my post or just decide to rant? You’re complaining because Rodhgers went to Liverpool? And insinuating that he could have done the same with us as he did with Liverpool?

    I hope you’re not that deluded…

  • 137 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 3:28 PM

    Besides, since when did I say anything about there being no alternative?!

    It’s great when people twist my words and make out that I said something I don’t even believe!

  • 138 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 3:29 PM


    Why don’t you explain to me why not?
    When he took over, they were three places and 13 points below us.

  • 139 cyprus // May 13, 2014 at 3:29 PM

    So AP won his little battle with HBA? 🙁
    Maybe there’s still a twist in the tail.

  • 140 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 3:30 PM

    catchy @132, I agree with that, it doesn’t matter what he does we will be looking for mistakes and then be getting at him, this cannot possibly help the team, a clean break would be for the best.

  • 141 kevymartins // May 13, 2014 at 3:30 PM

    Ladbrokes saying we are likely to sign norwich star Bassong?

  • 142 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 3:31 PM

    You needn’t rant though.
    Your usual measured, joined-up, logically-sound style will do.

  • 143 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 3:31 PM


    And I suppose all the ignorant “anti-regime” propaganda is fine is it? Despite most of it completely missing the point about the genuine issues with our club?

    Top 10 is ok, why can’t people just accept that? How many times do you think we have finished in the top 10 in our history in the PL and how many times have we finished out of it? Have a guess before you look it up.

    And before we were in the PL, how long do you think you need to go back before we were in the top 10 of the top division? And how long did we stay there for?

    Once you know the answers to that question, tell me, why the hell do you think we have a divine right to finish in the top 8/6/4 of the Premier League?!

  • 144 Toon-Prodigy // May 13, 2014 at 3:31 PM

    Pardews staying and people need to get used to that fact.

    While people may say, if he stays and gets this money, the football will never change anyway? Well so will Mike Ashley and the constraints that comes with him also.

    We will never have a great squad that can compete once injuries occur under Ashley.

    If it’s true about this 60 million, it still won’t be Pardews team. Ashley, Carr and Charnley pick the Toon players.

  • 145 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 3:32 PM

    kevy, I would have hoped for better than Bassong, but beggars can’t be chooser’s and he is better than what we have.

  • 146 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 3:33 PM


    Because Liverpool have a vastly superior squad with several truly world class players, plus massively higher revenues, are a significantly higher club with a huge number of global fans, a much fuller trophy cabinet, have recently won several cups (including Champions League), are a much bigger attraction to youth players and have been in the upper echelons of the Premier League since it began! Not enough for you?

  • 147 kevymartins // May 13, 2014 at 3:33 PM

  • 148 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 3:35 PM


    But you were very insistent recently the 11th would be a disgrace and a flogging offence.

  • 149 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 3:35 PM


    I agree with you sadly. I think the fans would rather see someone like Pulis of Mackay come in but I have zero confidence that they could do any better and it’s actually very possible that they could do a lot worse!

    If only we had a GENUINE experienced and well connected football person in charge of the club (DoF/MD/chairman) who could make an informed decision on the next manager by researching and interviewing candidates from all over Europe…

  • 150 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 3:36 PM


    What effect did their global fan base and trophy cabinet have on their results on the pitch over 38 matches this season?
    Explain the logic to me please.

  • 151 Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2014 at 3:38 PM

    Before Mashers got his hands on us we were sixth in the all time PL standings.

  • 152 Belfast // May 13, 2014 at 3:38 PM

    Quite liked Bassong the last time. Seems to have went down hill from then though. Would probably still be a decent signing.

  • 153 toonking // May 13, 2014 at 3:39 PM

    so pardew is going to get a massive war chest of £60 mil. i believe it when i see it. even 60 mil when it’s attacking players we want. the bet players in the world cost £50 million+, so an average striker will cost us 10 million+ and we need 4, so that will leave us with just £20 million for 4 wingers, 2 CAM and 2 defenders.

    this is what i can see being the team sheet next season


    the cover


    the truth is we still going to be using players out of position as we just don’t have enough money for all the attacking positions we need covering.

    people say pardew is no use to modern day football well any manager with a lack of funding is no use to english clubs.

    england were able to get all the way to semi finals in the 80’s but now the england are aiming to get through the group stages and the academies are rubbish. Clubs do well through massive amounts of money getting spent.

  • 154 toonking // May 13, 2014 at 3:40 PM

    we want is too little. the best

  • 155 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 3:40 PM

    TDS@142, failing in the past is no excuse for failing now, Man U and Man City have at times been at the top to then get relegated and fall away, but they bounce back and try to look at failure as something they don’t like or want so they correct it, they don’t accept it as being the norm and put up with it because their predecessors failed, Liverpool dominated for an age only to be toppled by Man U, do Liverpool just sit back and say it could be worse or do they strive to get back to where they were, that really is a poor excuse mate.

  • 156 cyprus // May 13, 2014 at 3:40 PM

    9 times better than 10th in the last 20 years. We can expect an improvement, I really don’t see why not.
    Bassong?! Worse than what we have, we cheated Spurs with that one… He’s Bramble’s level.

  • 157 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 3:41 PM


    I’d like to see Pardew sacked anyway because last season was an abject failure (although with mitigating circumstances) and this season he hit his target by the skin of his teeth. Ok, Cabaye leaving was tough for him (and presumably not his fault), but he totally failed to get the squad playing alternatively to compensate for him leaving.

    I just said that he had to lose his job if we finished 11th because I didn’t see how the club could say “minimum target” and then not sack a guy for finishing below that target.

  • 158 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 3:43 PM


    Err….money, attracting new players, coaches and errr…their manager.

    If Rodgers had the choice of Liverpool or us, why would he go to us? Liverpool are a bigger club by pretty much every measure you care to apply. That’s nothing to be ashamed of, there are bigger clubs that Liverpool too!

  • 159 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 3:44 PM


    And what are we now? Besides, that includes a period when Man City and Chelski weren’t super rich…and also we have been poorly managed from a financial and transfer perspective for many years while Everton and Spurs have managed things well and progressed nicely. That screwed us up royally.

  • 160 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 3:46 PM


    Man Utd and Liverpool are much bigger clubs than us and with much more money and City have risen to the top by spending MASSIVE amounts of money. When was the last time Liverpool or Man Utd were not in the top division too? I think you’ll find it’s a hell of a long time!

    Don’t forget that Man Utd were nowhere when Ferguson came along too and that Liverpool have never won the Premier League…

  • 161 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 3:46 PM


    I would accept your “bigger club” scenario if we had been playing catch-up.
    But in fact it was them playing catch-up.
    As it was with Spurs, another of your “big clubs” who have just sacked their manager for finishing sixth.
    For your narratives to work, and for the club’s narratives to work, requires people to suspend their disbelief.
    Which many will.
    For a few more months anyway.

  • 162 Bambams // May 13, 2014 at 3:48 PM

    Only reporting what I was told…..

    One of the lads at work is friends with a friend of Colback…..seemingly Colback has said its just rumours about the toon started on twitter and it has grown from there.

    ITK haters dont shoot the messenger !

  • 163 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 3:48 PM


    9 times better than 10th in 20 years…so 11 times worse…so our PL finish is actually slightly better than average in that case! Not that I think it was a particularly good season…just very average in terms of the PL and poor in terms of derby games, cup games, passion and style.

    We can all want more but it’s this sense of entitlement that bugs me. What right do we have to demand that we finish higher? We all want it and we should target it, but if failing to overachieve is a failure then most of us on this blog must be failures…

  • 164 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 3:50 PM


    You think Liverpool are not a bigger club than us just because they had to play catch up for one season?

    If that’s the case, you clearly know nothing about football worth talking about. I suggest you go away and look at the history of Liverpool and of our club, look at their squad, their trophies, their history in the Premier League, then we can talk about it.

    I suppose Stoke are a bigger club than Newcastle then…

  • 165 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 3:51 PM


    Of course it’s just media talk…99% of links are sadly. It’s why I just ignore them until there’s something official, or at least until there’s a reliable link.

  • 166 lochinvar // May 13, 2014 at 3:53 PM

    “Safe Pardew” – so where does the buck stop ? Need to keep Abeid – he has a good future and HBA who managed well is a game changer and with the right players around him can set the stadium buzzing ( worth a lot to Liverpool ). Please sort out the coaching set up – it seems to lack experience, passion and inspiration. The coaches look boring and listless so we play boring.

  • 167 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 3:54 PM


    In the same period Spurs have finished outside the top 10 six times, and in 10th position a further three times.
    A hugely superior record, huh!
    They have a much better record compared to us….in the Ashley era.

  • 168 dantoon85 // May 13, 2014 at 3:55 PM

    This club is boring full stop we are the new stoke city boring team boring football

  • 169 dantoon85 // May 13, 2014 at 3:55 PM

    Oh and boring manager

  • 170 stan anderson // May 13, 2014 at 3:56 PM

    Some Old Git earlier asked to cut Shola some slack he
    ,s only on £25,000 a week,well i never earned that in a year in my job as a time served man.Never mind give him some slack,he,s had a very good living out of the game and the only reason he is a 1 club man is that nobody ever wanted to sign him.Does that not say something .

  • 171 dantoon85 // May 13, 2014 at 3:58 PM

    Yeah Stan he’s a shite footballer whose boring ????

  • 172 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 3:58 PM


    I can feel that vein throbbing in your daft neck. Can I expect one of your brilliant “time of the month” put-downs shortly?
    It always follows the same path.
    Bluster, Anger, Insult.
    And even the insults are always the same.

  • 173 stan anderson // May 13, 2014 at 3:58 PM

    By the way i am also something of an OLD GIT.can you tell.

  • 174 dantoon85 // May 13, 2014 at 4:02 PM

    First signing is Darren Bent

  • 175 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 4:02 PM


    But superior nevertheless. And look at the last 10 years. Look at the progress by Spurs and Everton. Look at where we have gone after SBR was ludicrously sacked.

  • 176 sweendog // May 13, 2014 at 4:02 PM

    For a club our size and revenue we are underacheiving .. Its simple based on attendance and revenue .. Are stoke bugger than us etc… we should be aiming for top 8/6 IMO and a cup run anything less is selling us short ..

  • 177 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 4:04 PM


    No anger, no insults. It was a fair comment that if you don’t think Liverpool are a bigger club than NUFC then you know nothing about football. Nothing to do with your gender whatsoever, just a very silly thing to say.

  • 178 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    TDS, it doesn’t matter how long ago it was, they tried to improve, we with your backing have not, that is simply wrong, some food for thought for you, when we were competing regularly at the top of the table we were at times ahead of Liverpool on the Deloitte rich list, that is a fact mate, but due mostly to Ashley we are now a million miles away from them, they have the advantage of sustained success with their history yet on the rich list we did still get ahead of them, with sustained success we would literally pi$$ all over them, we really could be that big, the facts speak for themselves, look it up yourself bonny lad, its there to see.

  • 179 Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    Not sure were we are now but we are a lot more likely to drop places rather than climb them under Mike Ashleys unambitious policies.

  • 180 cyprus // May 13, 2014 at 4:05 PM

    Actually, this team was on the threshold of ‘greatness’ a few times. At the very least, it won non-partisans’ hearts. I’m just looking for a Southampton level and style, to be honest. I’m just sick of being pegged back by ‘greats’ like Sunderland, West Ham and Cardiff 🙂

  • 181 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 4:05 PM


    Revenue would have us finish 8th. Attendance is irrelevant as that is based on the size of the ground and the majority of revenue these days doesn’t come from people actually going to matches. So yeah, I think we should have finished 8th. 10th is poor. That’s why I gave the season 4 out of 10.

  • 182 kevymartins // May 13, 2014 at 4:07 PM

    Nice summer of Trout/Pike/Salmon fishing hopefully will take my mind away from all the sh*t at the club.

    That bugger Robson Green sure does know how to put a person in the mood for fishing 😉

  • 183 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 4:07 PM


    Not superior enough to make your case though. If you want to cobble up a rickety framework of non-sequiturs it is up to you.
    But it I’m not buying it.

  • 184 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 4:08 PM


    You’re wrong. Liverpool have a much richer history than NUFC and have always had more global fans. Sure, we might have had more revenue for a period when we were in the CL regularly, but that’s not a great surprise. The source of revenue has kept changing over the last 20 years or so.

    And check out where things were BEFORE Ashley took over. Don’t bother comparing it to several years before when SBR was managing us.

  • 185 toonking // May 13, 2014 at 4:08 PM

    stad anderson
    he has a good point.

    shola ameobi might not be a good player but he is one of the few players who still have what is called loyalty in this modern era football.

    HBA is given so much credit and praise when he has acted in the same way here as he had acted at marseille and lyon.

    marvo gets praise week in week out when he is the same lazy marvo here as he was at his previous clubs.

    given the amount of praise these two players get why should shola be any different?

    he has scored more goals in the champions league than any other scorer at newcastle.

    also shola is called a mackem slayer because he knows how big a rivalry is between us and the scums.

  • 186 GeordieTwo // May 13, 2014 at 4:08 PM

    If up to 7 players do leave can anyone see Ashley spending enough to replace them properly? Our transfer budget? Possibly 30M if Ashley spends the Cabaye money? What will that get us these days? Two decent players? How is this supposed to work Mike?

  • 187 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 4:09 PM


    I’d like that too mate. An exciting style of play would make finishing 10th a lot more palatable. Seeing the likes of HBA (Ginola, Robert, Beardsley etc.) cut through the defence and score a wonder goal several times a season…

    I didn’t say I enjoy this way of doing things, but I do get it.

  • 188 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 4:10 PM


    There should be no excuse for finishing bottom half of the table, simple as that. We need to be in the top half every season for the club to progress. Even Ashley gets that. Top half will see bigger sponsors, more coverage and increase the value of the club (his asset). And at the end of the day, that’s what he cares about.

  • 189 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 4:11 PM


    Don’t bother comparing it to the Robson years?
    Because they were a flash in the pan?
    And the Keegan years?
    Another flash in the pan?
    Lots of people will remember Liverpool being in the old second division and very much the second team in the city.

  • 190 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 4:11 PM


    Please check out Spurs’ finishes in the last 10 years. Compare them to ours. And that includes pre-Ashley.

  • 191 Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2014 at 4:11 PM

    ‘Look at where we have gone after SBR was ludicrously sacked’
    This is our whole point, Mike Ashley has been in charge of seven of those ten years since SBR was sacked.

  • 192 GeordieTwo // May 13, 2014 at 4:13 PM

    This just in from our glorious manager: “Je suis Alain Perdue! Huzzah!” Beautiful comments Alain.

  • 193 Mister Tuff // May 13, 2014 at 4:13 PM

    spoof – in realtion to the Tax authorities -my experience of them is that they are not very good – however I would concede that they were seriously understaffed, had poor management and did not know the law in relation to their jobs.
    I was previously employed in a large organisation where there were legislative protocols available to obtain details of an individuals tax details. (Leglislation was the Tax Credits Act 2002 -schedule 5.) Despite years of trying to obtain, lawfully, certain information, the tax offices, always said it was illegal for them to disclose the information. I would counter and tell them it wasn’t, and tell them the legisation (their own bloody legislation) that provided for disclosure. I even got their fax numbers and faxed them the relevant leglisation -but they still would not do it. They did not even know the laws that govern their duties. In the end I gave up -waste of time.

  • 194 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 4:14 PM


    Three years of 10.
    Are you seriously asking me buy this?
    They are on YOUR guy’s watch.

  • 195 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 4:14 PM


    Lots of people? You really should have looked that up. Liverpool were last in the 2nd tier in 1961/62. That’s 52 years ago! So ok, there will be plenty of 60+ year olds who remember those times but I’d dare say that more than 90% of Liverpool fans do not remember being out of the top division.

    And how many times have they finished outside of the top 8 since they got promoted in 1962? NEVER.

    That doesn’t convince you? How about the title wins in the 70s and 80s?

  • 196 GeordieTwo // May 13, 2014 at 4:15 PM

    This just in from our glorious owner: “There can be no substitute for mediocrity! Harrumph!”

  • 197 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 4:17 PM


    Look at where we were BEFORE SBR was appointed. He was a world class manager who would never have come to us if he wasn’t a fan. SBR overachieved at our club given the state of everything else. He’s the best manager we’ve had in my lifetime. Even better than KK, who achieved what he did due to the surprise factor and a lot of money spent when it wasn’t so common. Ok, the KK days were more exciting but SBR was just the finest manager I’ve ever seen manage us.

  • 198 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 4:18 PM

    TDA, thats the whole point mate, can you not see that, we want to be where we could be, not where we have been or where Mike Ashley wants us to be, the few years which you have asked me to ignore are the very few years which has shown what we should be, we don’t want where Ashley has us, we don’t want the Shepherd trophy signings, with Sir John and KK we were getting the best and generating enough cash to sustain it, the £130m Ashley debt which was only £65m when he took over was mostly generated by Shepherds poor methods, how much of that £65 was due to Michael Owen, and you can say whatever you want bonny lad, but there is not one valid reason why we can’t get back to where we were, look at Liverpool, we were ahead of them both on and off the field and they have not done a Chelsea or a Man City so don’t come the sugar daddy crap, the only crap was Shepherd and Ashley who is much worse than Shepherd.

  • 199 GeordieTwo // May 13, 2014 at 4:19 PM

    Such a terribly thin squad full of unhappy players. We are in for a rough ride now. Especially if it is true that Mr. Perdue will continue to be the manager under Mike “NoNuts” Ashley.

  • 200 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 4:20 PM


    Post 196 goes for you too. It’s crazy to compare a few years of overachievement with a truly world class manager to our performances with an average PL manager. For fairer comparisons, have a look at how we’re doing now compared to under Souness, Gullitt, Roeder or the myriad of other short-term ones we’ve had…

  • 201 Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2014 at 4:20 PM

    Ashley does recognize this and has set tenth as his parameter, but it will always be tenth and the squad will never be strengthened sufficiently to finish higher as has been proved, Pardew can’t seem to deal with this style of (mis) management so we’ll see a lot more seasons like the one before last and the second half of the last one than we will that season we finished fifth.

  • 202 GeordieTwo // May 13, 2014 at 4:20 PM

    Does anyone remember the program Lost? That’s what we are under Ashley.

  • 203 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 4:21 PM


    Yeah. Lots of people.
    You are not going to get away with misrepresenting my argument as being that Liverpool and Newcastle have enjoyed similar success.
    You are happy to narrow your Spurs argument down to the years that suit you, rather typically.
    And by the same measure, I ask you again.
    Why does THIS club progress by taking tiny little “safe” steps over many years, when Liverpool have shown how it is done in just two years?
    Their world-wide fan base and trophy cabinet weighs absolutely nothing in the past 24 months compared to the simple expedients of ambition, good management and honesty.

  • 204 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 4:22 PM


    I believe it was more than £65M (closer to £100M) but no need to get into details.

    Every club in the PL wants to maximise their potential. Man City, Chelski, Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal at least would need to win the PL every year to say they are doing so and to at least challenge in the CL too. Spurs and Everton would be qualifying for the CL every season if they did.

    But if a fan is only happy if their club is maximising their potential, then they’ll be pretty damn miserable fans considering that every other club is trying to do exactly the same thing and that the success of one club is at the detriment of other clubs.

  • 205 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 13, 2014 at 4:23 PM

    GT…a great mind once said “failure is not the worse outcome mediocrity is” 😉


  • 206 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 4:24 PM


    I really hope that 8th is the target next season, but I do really see that consistent top 10 finishes are a good thing for us. It provides a fantastic base. Look at Swansea this season after such a good season last year. Southampton could go the same way if they don’t invest the Shaw/Lallana money wisely. If we stay in that top 10 (at least) then we’re so much more attractive to players and sponsors.

  • 207 89Norcal // May 13, 2014 at 4:24 PM

    well it’s nice to see that the guys who didn’t do their job are getting the sack.

  • 208 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 4:25 PM


    If you think Liverpool were on the same level as us 2 years ago then I completely despair…in fact I give up on this conversation because you obviously just know nothing about football.

    I bow out.

  • 209 Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2014 at 4:26 PM

    A few years of over acheiving had us sixth in the all time PL standings despite missing out the first year, that was over a fifteen year period, BEFORE, SBR a few short years was KK two runners up spots and two cup finals, stop trying to dress us down to the levels Mike Ashley wants us.

  • 210 GeordieTwo // May 13, 2014 at 4:26 PM

    Often other clubs learn from failure jesper mate. We don’t. We finish 16th and keep Perdue on. We finish 10th with the club falling apart and apparently keep Perdue on. We finish 16th and hire Kinnear as DoF. We have a thin squad and we go 2 windows without permanent signings. How can anyone say we are well off with Ashley? Bizarre at best.

  • 211 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 4:26 PM


    Here’s 50p. get yersel an ice cream on your way home.

  • 212 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    TDS, make you a point stating that financially we can’t compete with Liverpool which I prove to you to be wrong but rather than say fair comment I concede that point as we can compete, you respond by bringing another equation into it, yes failing to meet your potential would hurt, but it doesn’t hurt as much as not trying to meet it, so what will you turn this debate into now, the weather forecast perhaps ?

  • 213 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 4:29 PM

    TDS, by the way it was £65m !

  • 214 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 13, 2014 at 4:29 PM

    Ohh and there is no patron saint of mediocrity!

    …or is Mike NoNuts Ashley that patron saint? 😉 lol

  • 215 toonking // May 13, 2014 at 4:29 PM

    TDS & BandB

    BIG is one of the most over used words in football and causes these problems time and time again.
    the problem with the word BIG is it means far to much.

    the premier league is the BIGGEST league in the world, yet england can’t even get into the quarter finals, why? it’s simple because the premier league is one of the most watched leagues in the world, it’s got the most unpredictable set of fixtures, more teams worthy of winning the league than any other and finally has got more money than any other.

    the about all that is it’s so long so they just say the BIGGEST league.

    what is a BIG club has the same problem.
    their are those that say a big club means a big stadium
    their are those who say a big club is a one who has lots of money and very active in windows.
    their is those who believe their overall success is what determines big clubs.
    finally their is the amount of global fans that some use as a determination of big clubs.

  • 216 BandB // May 13, 2014 at 4:31 PM


    Isn’t a big club one that thinks big?

  • 217 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 13, 2014 at 4:31 PM

    GT…NoNuts is a self made spiteful idiot!

    …I have heard his own mother doesn’t even like him!

  • 218 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 13, 2014 at 4:32 PM

    She even tied a bone to his leg as a kid so the dog would play with him 😉

  • 219 GeordieTwo // May 13, 2014 at 4:32 PM

    I don’t believe that story about Ashley having a mother jesper mate. He was hatched from an egg in Satan’s underpants. And spot on he is a self-made spiteful idiot.

  • 220 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 4:33 PM


    And since then Chelski and Man City have invested mega-bucks right? Plus we’ve wasted loads of money on overpaid marque players while the likes of Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and Everton have pumped money into young players and their youth system to prepare for the future…

    How many young stars have we signed for big money who succeeded? Dyer was good, Viana a flop, Ambrose wasn’t much good either, we passed on Darren Bent when we got Dyer (smart), Bramble was a flop, Krul is decent…meanwhile Spurs and Liverpool have brought loads through.

  • 221 Spoof // May 13, 2014 at 4:33 PM

    jesper, you mean he was born, as of man, well blow me, I thought he was created from the depths of hell to punish us for the crimes which we have yet to commit ?

  • 222 ToonDarnSarf // May 13, 2014 at 4:34 PM


    Err…because the CL provided a huge amount of the revenue that year. Look at commercial revenue and I bet Liverpool were far ahead. Of course CL football is going to bring more revenue in terms of prize money and also sponsors.

  • 223 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 13, 2014 at 4:35 PM

    GT…maybe it was Satan who didn’t like him 😉

  • 224 Our Toon // May 13, 2014 at 4:35 PM

    Lads let’s be realistic here, Liverpool are a bigger club and will always be bigger both on and off the pitch. Liverpool received £99m this season more than the winners of the league, the reason for this is because of the demand for Liverpool away from our shores. They’ve won more titles and have a bigger fan base across the globe, we are a 1 club city makes a big difference!!

    Yes we have 50k+ attending every week (To the pleasure of MA) but to what affect? Our 50k plus fans struggle to pull in the same direction, Liverpool fans ran a very good campaign against Hicks and Gillette although they parted ways because they fell out with each other the fans ultimately ran a PROPER campaign to move the idiots out!!

  • 225 GeordieTwo // May 13, 2014 at 4:37 PM

    I would love to attach some raw meat to Ashley’s leg and have my honey badger play with him.

  • 226 Jail for Ashley // May 13, 2014 at 4:38 PM

    You’re talking almost eight years ago since we were doing that, evryones problem is the direction Mashley is taking us, we know that we weren’t in the best of shapes imo we are being mis managed a great deal more now than ever before in terms of ambition.

  • 227 JAMSHA // May 13, 2014 at 4:42 PM

    Our Toon


  • 228 GeordieTwo // May 13, 2014 at 4:43 PM

    More comments from Alain Perdue: “We have a magnificent setup here at the club. We have excellent strikers errr there’s Shola and ummmm what’s his name again? Adam Armstrong? Then there is our magnificent central midfield of ummmm Cheick and ummmm Gosling? Our wingers are brilliant, Obertan and Gouffy. We also have tremendous fullbacks in Dummett and Santon. And our centre backs are beyond compare. Let’s see there’s Colo, Willo and Mbiwa. No changes needed. I would say 17th place is already assured.”

  • 229 GeordieTwo // May 13, 2014 at 4:46 PM

    Right then, bring on next season! We’re ready!

  • 230 Average_Contents // May 13, 2014 at 4:48 PM

    Once again IT sprouts complete and utter bollox! We can’t compare the SBR or keegan years with fatty and pardspews years because he was a inferior manager? yet IT can with Liverpools shankly years and their following years winning naff all! But it’s ok if it suits IT’S argument! Complete and utter drivel! Clearly deluded and up to something because ITS whole argument is based on past history! Fcuk me!

  • 231 Average_Contents // May 13, 2014 at 4:52 PM

    And IT mentions sponsors and maximising income! I wonder how this can be achieved when clearly fatty isn’t giving up his advertising space anytime soon because as the club said “we wouldn’t get anywhere near the 129m the club owes the owner” for the space! So once again IT contradicts ITSELF!

  • 232 GeordieTwo // May 13, 2014 at 5:01 PM

    Our combined goal difference for the last 2 seasons? -39! Horrific.

  • 233 GeordieTwo // May 13, 2014 at 5:02 PM

    Goals for in the last 2 seasons combined? 88. Everton last 2 seasons combined? 116.

  • 234 GeordieTwo // May 13, 2014 at 5:11 PM

    Everton combined goal difference past 2 seasons? +37! So the total difference between the 2 clubs for 2 seasons is 76! Their goal difference is 76 better than us over the last two seasons. That’s a goal a game over 2 full seasons. I’m comparing us with Everton because they are a medium income club. It would be even more embarrassing to compare is with any truly competitive club.

  • 235 GeordieTwo // May 13, 2014 at 5:16 PM

    The numbers don’t lie! We are a shocking, disgraceful pile of bollocks under Ashley/Perdue! 👿

  • 236 NKOTB // May 13, 2014 at 6:44 PM

    “he will know he must do a better than 10th place next season”?

    More a case of he will know he must get 10th place AGAIN next season. Any higher is too near to qualifying for Europe.

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