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England Lose 2-0 To Netherlands Without Newcastle Pair

7:27 pm, Thursday, May 15th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 86 Comments

Netherlands, the reigning European U17 Champions, beat England 2-0 today in Malta in the final group game, which means the Netherlands have a perfect record of 9 points from their three games, with England second with 6 points in Group A.

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Adam Armstrong – rested today – but was a sub in second hald

But England took the opportunity to rest some of their top players – a draw would have seen England win the group – and those rested included Newcastle’s top youngsters, Freddie Woodman and Adam Armstrong.

England do still qualify for the semi-finals through being second in their group, and they now meet Group B winners Portugal on Sunday.

It was a close game against the Netherlands in the first half, but after 45 minutes Calvin Verdonk hit a great shot from 33 yards out which beat England goalkeeper Samuel Howes, who got his first start in the tournament, after Newcastle’s Freddie Woodman had played in the first two games.

England had made seven changes from the side that beat Turkey 4-1 on Monday afternoon, but the Dutch had made only three changes, and that finally helped the Dutch, who were on top in the second half

Adam Armstrong had been rested, but in the second half the Newcastle youngster was brought on as a sub, as England went for goals in the second half.

But England were susceptible to the quick break, and the Netherlands scored their second goal through a header from van der Moot after 68 minutes, after he had only just been introduced as a sub, to give the Netherlands the win and the finish at the top of Group A..

The defeat breaks an 8 game winning streak in the U17 competition for England, who will field their best side against Portugal on Sunday in the semi-finals, and both Adam Armstrong and Freddie Woodman are expected to start that game.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Adam Armstrong · England News · European Competition · Freddie Woodman · Newcastle News

86 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Blackley and Brownlie // May 15, 2014 at 7:34 PM


    How we adapt to the grey strips could be a factor in our performances next season if I’m honest. We could end up in a psychological scenario with certain players, a little bit, because grey can have an affect on the mindset for sure.

  • 2 Ian Toon // May 15, 2014 at 7:45 PM

    Mr Tuff- You could argue that you do get what you pay for but not always in the football transfer market. Spurs spent £100 million largely from the Bale sale. They bought what appear to be a number of duffers. Lamela cost £ 30 million. Soldado and Paulinho have failed to impress. Only Eriksen has been a success.

    What we need is a few strong characters in the side to add some stability and two top class strikers which arguably should take up the bulk of our reported kitty.

  • 3 Blackley and Brownlie // May 15, 2014 at 7:55 PM


    I don’t share this often stated view that we don’t replace the players we’ve sold.

    We’re no more a selling club than anyone else.

    We sold big AC and replaced him on the field with Cisse and Ba, we sold Ba and replaced him on the field with Remy. We sold Cabs only recently so we’ll see …

  • 4 BlacknWhiteBarmy // May 15, 2014 at 7:58 PM

    Nice to see a bit of optimism ……

    Any truth in the 94% season tix renewals?

    If it is we need to stop whining as we have voted – Ash is doing a great job and Pardum even better. Lee Chumley Warner knows everything about football and the youth team is excellent – just look at the young players coming through.

    Makes me proud to be a Geordie

  • 5 Mister Tuff // May 15, 2014 at 7:59 PM

    Ian Toon – most people would agree that the Bale money has mainly been wasted. A lot would also agree that 27 million for Fellani -in comparison to 20 million for Cabaye was let’s say very surprising – very nice for Everton though.
    Trouble is the vast majority of decent players are spotted when they are kids and the better they appear the higher the price. To get superb players cheaply is hard -and sometime maybe a massive gamble.

  • 6 Transfer Sage // May 15, 2014 at 8:06 PM

    Ian and tuff

    value in the market exists for sure, but still need to pay a decent fee and wage, we can’t quibble over the sake of 100/200k agent fees this year as we can’t afford to miss out on players, we need them in early.

    There are decent frees available in hunt and gomis, even tom ince (not looked around so maybe more)…so if we get a couple of them then we can focus the money on top class forward and creative players,

  • 7 Readingmag // May 15, 2014 at 8:07 PM

    Ouch the poison here.FFS get a grip.
    grey kits looks good – 90s
    Are we not Cardiff , Leeds, Sheff, Wed or Utd, Brighton, Brum or them down the unwashed road.. all with great fan bases.

    Really support another team .Never. Telling 94 % of our supporters they are wrong…Really stats says it you that are wrong.

    I agree about so much….but negativity is infectious ….get a grip …

    We are….
    Prem league
    We should have money to spend
    Not going bust
    lets see what happens in the next 90 odd days
    Back the team……

    And back the Toon always…it never worked in 80s ..yes I am old…….

  • 8 Ian Toon // May 15, 2014 at 8:13 PM

    Mr Tuff- I guess I am hoping for us to work the oracle just as we did in signing Cabaye and Tiote. The season we finished 5th saw us being active in the market in early June and making bargain buys. I sense that we have an appetite to follow the same practice.

  • 9 Mister Tuff // May 15, 2014 at 8:13 PM

    Transfer -I’ve liked the idea of loanees – thought it ws a waste of time/no commitment etc However, with the de Jong “experience” I now think it is not bad – allows you see really what you are getting before forking out a load of money.
    A lot of folk, including myself, assumed de Jong would be quality but he’s a duffer and wil never make it in the PL -even though he’s being playing in a crap team.

  • 10 toon22 // May 15, 2014 at 8:16 PM

    Blackey from you own example we are selling players and buying cheaper options.

    Its an ever decreasing circle.

    I bet they will trumpet the possible arrival of Colback as Kebabs replacement.Where do you think the 20 million change will end up?

  • 11 Transfer Sage // May 15, 2014 at 8:21 PM


    Same as you on de jong. I think loans are fine, if they gets us an extra player who brings something to the team i am all for it, unless they prevent a talented kid coming through but we don’t seem to have any (or know how to use them) so ok with loans.


    I a trying to move past the negativity now, purely for the reason i am 100% sure ashley doesn’t want us relegated, as whether a fan of us or not, he wont want to lose all that cash, so think we will get enough to be top ten (if only just) again.

    As for the kit, i think it looks terrible, but away kits rarely look good for us,been very plain the last 10 years

  • 12 Ian Toon // May 15, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    Transfer – Yes the nickel and dimming approach has cost us dearly. I would like to think it was largely down to Lambias and JFK’s inability to negotiate and not appreciating that in the long run little was achieved because we failed to build on what we had achieved and regressed. It repeatedly has been a false economy.
    The transfer team seems to be have been streamlined but time will tell.

  • 13 Ian Toon // May 15, 2014 at 8:28 PM

    Transfer- I also think Ashley will have worked out that if he doesn’t dig deep we will be relegated. The thought of increase TV money will release the purse strings.

  • 14 croftus5678 // May 15, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    “IF” we only make 5 signings they need to be the sort of quality cabella is ! maybe then we will have the type of quality to beat any team in the prem (when they are all injury free that is as we will still have a problem with squad depth imo.

    i’d <3 colbeck on a free and gomis on a free and rodwell and moses will all add to a better team for us ! ince also and the young english lad from wba so we have plenty of options to get more than 5 players and increase squad depth for under the 60mil and even keep under the wage budget with all those going ! but we all know it'll never happen.

  • 15 Readingmag // May 15, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    Transfer sage…

    Would you take top ten now…I would…to be honest I expect below that but not by much. …

    Really, the grey kit ….looks ok \ good…loved the green and yellow stripped. Was that older than 10yrs old…please no..

  • 16 BlacknWhiteBarmy // May 15, 2014 at 8:35 PM

    Loans are fine only if the transfer is agreed at the end of the term – otherwise you get stuffed ala Remy.

    Reading – if you are fine with the direction the club is going fine – but I cant pay hard earned cash to a team that has no other ambition than to make money on transfers and stay in the PL,

    The walkout was embarrassing and the season tix take up (if true) even more so – Fatash must be laughing all the way to the bank – divide and conquer

  • 17 BlacknWhiteBarmy // May 15, 2014 at 8:36 PM

    Still loved the Bukta tops – wicked sleeves

  • 18 croftus5678 // May 15, 2014 at 8:38 PM

    @15 readingmag

    imho we should be aiming to overtake manu next season ! top 6 will be too much imo esp with our outgoings and the fact every team will be strengthening so i’m not vain enough to think we will turn into a champs league team with a few signings as we clearly will not !

    as long as we try our hardest for top 6 or even higher depending how signings gel and how the season goes but if we tend to stay back and dont go for wins i’ll be very very disapointed in our lack of ambition.

  • 19 BlacknWhiteBarmy // May 15, 2014 at 8:41 PM

    Top 6 – LOL

    We already know we cant compete with the Southamptons, Evertons, Stokes of the World – add to that the big 6 – 11th at best.

    If signings are as good as the last 2 widows relegation

  • 20 Jail for Ashley // May 15, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    JfK and Llambias getting the flak for negotiation skills, KK spelt it out for us that Wise and Jymamas offered 500K for Hyppia when 1.25M would have sealed the deal, who gives the orders or holds the purse strings.

  • 21 toon22 // May 15, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    Exactly who is claiming the season ticket figure?

    And you beleve them?


  • 22 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 15, 2014 at 8:55 PM

    For the first time in many years I don’t care who we buy!

    …don’t make a different

  • 23 BlacknWhiteBarmy // May 15, 2014 at 9:00 PM

    toon22 – its in one of the ‘papers’ – not saying its true.

    If its not will the club take legal action which seems to be the way they do things?

  • 24 toon22 // May 15, 2014 at 9:00 PM

    You think the same 50k plus people are going to be in the staduim next season to watch another year of utter twaddle?
    Yes some of them are on the mashley “deal” that they all know that can now be canceled in january.They cant take all of them to court.
    The rest are sure to want to see the whole load of b0la7ks unfold,what else would they spend it on since we now are sure we wont want to compete at all next season(its the toons policy)

  • 25 toon22 // May 15, 2014 at 9:03 PM

    SO you are saying the papers are claiming a near sell out of season tickets next season.


    Are you claiming the papers or MA is behind the story?
    Both are 100% trust worthy.

  • 26 BlacknWhiteBarmy // May 15, 2014 at 9:04 PM

    I think the days of season ticket waiting lists are well over. Fatash has knocked the stuffing out of the club and yet they still turn up.
    An old saying that you could dress 11 bins in Toon tops and the ground would be full – if only we had 11 decent bins

  • 27 BlacknWhiteBarmy // May 15, 2014 at 9:05 PM

  • 28 toon22 // May 15, 2014 at 9:08 PM

    Do i think 50k ish people will want to pay for another season after what they have just seen?
    AP is staying and we all know the player signing stories are utter bo9l0hs.

    Just like the last 7 years.

  • 29 Blackley and Brownlie // May 15, 2014 at 9:08 PM


    We might be buying cheaper options in terms of transfer fees but they’re not necessarily worse options. Carroll or cisse and ba?

  • 30 clinath@ed // May 15, 2014 at 9:09 PM

    Watching Tevenier for Rotheram is very frustrating. Going forward his pace and touch is excellent, his crossing superb.
    BUT when it comes to defending, he is all over the place.

  • 31 toon22 // May 15, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    You saying that AC is worse than Cisse?
    Ba was free.

    Cisse cost a third of the carrol money and has to be the biggest flash in the pan in PL history.
    Are you saying a local lad against 2 mercinaries who are currently rubbish or have left?

  • 32 BlacknWhiteBarmy // May 15, 2014 at 9:11 PM

    What are the chances of uncovering another gem and getting them on the cheap?
    NUFC’s name is poison throughout Europe as we offer ridiculous amount’s, unsettle players and then try ro get them in their last year of contract. It would appear that some owners would rather sell a player to any one but us! Even announcing when we are negotiating for a player – so to encourage other bis

  • 33 toon22 // May 15, 2014 at 9:12 PM

    LOL @ the Daily Mail a champion of the truth.

    Im sure you read it all the time.
    Why would they sue its a benificial story regardless of the facts.

  • 34 lesh // May 15, 2014 at 9:13 PM

    So they lost 2-0. Just as well they didn’t have our senior players on the pitch, it would’ve been six or so!

  • 35 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 15, 2014 at 9:15 PM

    Aab has just won the cup here in Denmark. They will be crowned champions on Sunday as well 🙂

    …it’s the club from where I was born even though I am a Brøndby guy!

  • 36 Ian Toon // May 15, 2014 at 9:15 PM

    Pardew was due to meet up with Ashley by tomorrow. First signing was thought to be likely by around 20th May- next Tuesday.

  • 37 jazzyp // May 15, 2014 at 9:16 PM

    I personally think a lot of fans are going to hold judgement until the transfer window is closed to see where there plans lie.
    A big summer of incoming transfer activity will im sure boost ticket sales, However another zero transfer policy of pure bullsh@t will not be tolerated by many

  • 38 Jail for Ashley // May 15, 2014 at 9:46 PM

    It’s galling how a region famous for men marching to London to protest job losses can’t seem to gather a group to match Lpools effort to get rid of their former tormentors.

  • 39 Jail for Ashley // May 15, 2014 at 9:55 PM

    If you’re still about, we replaced them six months and a year later respectively and then Ba seven months later with an injured Remy, by this time we have taken two steps back, the fifth place as we all know now was a one off.

  • 40 nightfa11 // May 15, 2014 at 9:58 PM

    toon22 // May 15, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    “Are you saying a local lad against 2 mercinaries who are currently rubbish or have left?”

    2 mercinaries? fair enough…but carroll is more then just a local lad..hes a local mercinary 😀

  • 41 Jail for Ashley // May 15, 2014 at 9:58 PM

    Ameobi will be snapped up before the WC, not only over the line but awready in the buiwding, wot a fret ‘e wiwll offer, make no bones abaut that (nose scratch).

  • 42 Average_Contents // May 15, 2014 at 10:20 PM


    I still stand by what I said mate and yes other teams sell their top player’s but they also have replacements in the pipeline or already signed before they sell them!

    Look at spurs, yes their signings haven’t been brilliant but who’s to say anyone ever will be but they waited and waited to sell bale till after they got reinforcements

    The same with Everton and fellaini, Mccarthy was lined up before they said yes to manure

    We don’t it’s as simple as that, no forward planning incase of any eventuality, we just try and wing it and hope for the best

    And to be honest I wouldn’t really count remy as ba’s replacement as he was just here on loan so merely a stop gap for a year! I know how that sounds but he was never ours and we all knew he had no intention of staying from the get go and it was 6 months too late like all of our signings anyway, so in effect we still haven’t replaced ba! I would view it different if we’d of signed him permanent and then sold him but we didn’t

  • 43 Average_Contents // May 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM

    Nose scratch lol and don’t forget looking down and to the left when he mentions anything about transfers! This is a clear indicator of a lie being told, Honestly watch him he does it

    I also noticed that when he talks about us being a big club (for sure) he tends to do what’s known as a micro expression of a grimace, you have to really pay attention to see it but at one point in an interview I watched recently, he turns his head to answer a question and when he turns it back to engage someone who had asked about the size of us you can see it clear as day. Lips pulled back, eyes furrowed and teeth exposed, the classic expression of someone who doesn’t believe what they are saying!

    That enough science for you Alan 😉

  • 44 Ian Toon // May 15, 2014 at 10:38 PM

    Jail- Liverpool had Jay McKenna as Spokesman for Supporters Union Spirit of Shankly he was a modest focused individual. He used to tour around the working men’s clubs and all during Liverpool’s worst start in 50 years- season 2010-11. His secret was hard work and ” persuade not bully were all in this together”. Hence he was a Spokesman not a “Head of” like some of the goons who failed to organise a United walk out.
    We need to target Ashley just as Liverpool targetted Hicks and Gillett and not Hodgson. McKenna argued that if you target Hodgson you could impact the team performance. It’s not rocket science. Get a Mission Statement that toon fans can buy into.
    Enjoy your evening.

  • 45 Jail for Ashley // May 15, 2014 at 10:44 PM

    Spurs signings haven’t all worked out, but would a better option have to been not buy anyone, flirt with relegation then spend when it looks dangerous and demoralise the fan base.

  • 46 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 15, 2014 at 10:44 PM

    Ian…the thing is want to get rid of the manager as well

  • 47 Average_Contents // May 15, 2014 at 10:47 PM

    It would seem that the club just can’t help themselves anymore! Any sort of rumour about anything and they jump on it straight away and I don’t mean just this, there have been 2 other incidents in the past week! I’m all for protecting your own interests but the club seem to be going out of their way to piss off the media as a whole! ” how very dare you say that about us” getting on their fcuking high horse when shit gets reported all the time by all the papers and media outlets of every club in the world, but oh no NUFC have to make a stand about everything

  • 48 Average_Contents // May 15, 2014 at 10:49 PM

    It’s,just a shame they don’t show the same “passion” when it comes to signing players

  • 49 Average_Contents // May 15, 2014 at 10:52 PM


    You may be onto something there mate, I’m sure all premiership clubs will now look at our model with envy and adopt it! Why spend when you don’t have to ( unless relegation is a distinct possibility)


  • 50 beermonkey // May 15, 2014 at 10:54 PM


    we all want shot of him
    I have to say focus would be to get shot of pards first
    but after reading the fans forum minutes the other day its clear the ash has to go and with him gone a new manager will be appointed

    also I don’t think ash will sack him all the time were in the prem
    I don’t think boycotts will work as tv revenue is so mush it will offset loss in gate receipts

    for me I like the campaigning outside his shops and politely asking shoppers to go elsewhere but its a huge under taking to organise that

  • 51 Ian Toon // May 15, 2014 at 10:56 PM

    Jesper- I politely suggest you read the post again.

  • 52 Jail for Ashley // May 15, 2014 at 11:00 PM

    If they spent the same money on a team to get the fans onside as they did on a team to work out the cup run relegation percentages and the downright defensive lies team, then that might build a kind of stepping stone sort of bridge.

  • 53 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 15, 2014 at 11:00 PM

    Beermonkey…we definitely need to get rid of Ashley as well!

    …but it’s just not that simple. We don’t stand united as supporters! While we wait on that to happen I would like a new manager. I don’t think that is asking too much?

  • 54 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 15, 2014 at 11:02 PM

    Ian…wasn’t Hodgson manager for Liverpool?

    …and you want ud to leave Pardew alone right? Or am I reading it all wrong?

  • 55 jimmysmith // May 15, 2014 at 11:04 PM

    I don’t want shot of the owner. I want him to be more committed and responsible. He’s worth heading towards 4 billion quid and seems to find making money rather easy. Don’t see an awful lot of that financial clout around to replace him. Feel the same way about Pardew. The pair of them have been lacking, the owner badly, but they are capable, I believe. Who else would be, realistically. Fan pressure to get them and keep them flying right is I think our only realistic option of success.

  • 56 beermonkey // May 15, 2014 at 11:09 PM


    is that a wind up

  • 57 Jail for Ashley // May 15, 2014 at 11:09 PM

    Taking out on Pardew alone would in different circumstances would be out of order, the lies, shit football, excuses, complicity and dedication to his paymaster make him fair game to me.

  • 58 Average_Contents // May 15, 2014 at 11:13 PM


    I think that bridge has been burnt with the ship well and truly sailing away into the distance, never to be seen again

    Ashley out and his puppet out!

  • 59 welshgeordie9 // May 15, 2014 at 11:15 PM

    Good evening ladies have you missed me

    i bet you thought i disappeared

  • 60 Jail for Ashley // May 15, 2014 at 11:17 PM

    Beer monkey,
    Everyone thought Mashley was the best thing that ever happened when he took over from Shepherd, even more so when we had a match of seemingly eccentric Billionaire and Geordie legend KK, what we weren’t to realise that there was nothing eccentric about him at all, just a cold, calculating greedy business man with a tantrum type mentality normally only witnessed in children with downs syndrome.

  • 61 Average_Contents // May 15, 2014 at 11:17 PM

    And on that bombshell Im off to earn some pennies, night all

  • 62 jimmysmith // May 15, 2014 at 11:22 PM

    Not a wind up. I think the scenes we saw at St James’ are the best option we have of flushing the owner out and forcing his hand. We don’t really know what Ashley’s intentions are, and I understand its natural to fear the worst, but that isn’t necessarily so, and I think we as fans, as customers, as core users, have clout too, and need to use it.

  • 63 beermonkey // May 15, 2014 at 11:28 PM


    he came in promised much delivered nothing, and said a lot of things that we all wanted to hear


    I don’t think you will get him to change, he has shown how petty he can be not just with us but with other companies he owns

  • 64 Average_Contents // May 15, 2014 at 11:29 PM

    Sorry had to post this! Well said rob lee and he ain’t a geordie neither but pretty much sums it up I think

  • 65 beermonkey // May 15, 2014 at 11:37 PM

    Ashley wwill sue rob lee now

  • 66 Jail for Ashley // May 15, 2014 at 11:39 PM

    That is coming from a man clearly bitter that Mike Ashley sold him and needs the money, don’t believe a word I or the press say unless it suits me.

  • 67 Jail for Ashley // May 15, 2014 at 11:40 PM

    TDSarf hacked my account.

  • 68 headtheball // May 15, 2014 at 11:45 PM

    False advertising or deceptive advertising is the use of false or misleading statements in advertising and misrepresentation of the product at hand which may negatively affect consumers.
    Now you know why you feel negative.
    Do something about it.
    Become a consumer activist and DEMAND a better product.

  • 69 Thump // May 15, 2014 at 11:48 PM

    @Average_Contents: He’s absolutely spot on. Even when we were relegated I was looking forward to the challenge of the Championship. During the cup games some of us were even talking about how far we’d get! Now it’s “too much of a risk” to go for a cup game, or to even field a competitive squad… I don’t think I’ve ever been so depressed about a season before it’s even begun.

  • 70 expatmag // May 15, 2014 at 11:51 PM

    G/Day guys

    Whats the chat today?

    Same as usual?

  • 71 expatmag // May 15, 2014 at 11:52 PM

    Anyone on here hear the bad news about MR TUFF?

  • 72 Jail for Ashley // May 16, 2014 at 12:01 AM


  • 73 expatmag // May 16, 2014 at 12:05 AM


    He popped down to Chinatown and got a nasty virus. came home and infected all his family and mates…..LOL

  • 74 Jail for Ashley // May 16, 2014 at 12:09 AM

    That’s heart heart breaking, I’m so sorry to hear that !

  • 75 expatmag // May 16, 2014 at 12:22 AM


    apparently, he is so remorseful he has decided to go over to the dark side and organised a season ticket at the stadium of shite, his first love.

  • 76 lesh // May 16, 2014 at 12:31 AM

    Ian, Mr Tuff, Sage……

    The whole issue with Ashley and fees, wages etc (… they’ll only pay what they think is right) is that their valuations may not agree with the market’s valuation.

    It’s the market that dictates a player’s worth and Ashley doesn’t seem to get the fact.

    Where very good players are concerned and with all the money slushing about, it’s very much a seller’s market.

    The sooner Ashley gets that the better we’ll be at getting players over that line, that line other clubs don’t seem to have trouble with.

    Will somebody give Ashley a shake and bring his stubborn short sightedness into the real world of football.

  • 77 expatmag // May 16, 2014 at 1:00 AM

    I see Pardew has demanded 5 players to be signed. I suppose we will be looking at cheaper options and loans.

    We would probably need a couple of English players as well and knowing out lot, I can see us looking at the Carlton Coles of this world. So, I would start by looking at some of our rivals and who we could get:

    We need pace on the flanks so I would raid Man Utd and Chelsea for Zaha and Marin.. Both are creative, quick and can score goals.

    As a centre forward, I think we will probably go for Gomis as he is free and a proven scorer.

    In midfield, I would possibly look at Powell from Man Utd who was on loan at Wigan. He is also creative. This would allow Sissoko to slot alongside Tiote as some have mentioned on here.

    If Debuchy leaves, I like the look of Trippier from Burnley as a replacement and as a bacvk up winger/forward, why not try for Victor Moses.

    So, that gives us Gomis, Zaha, Marin, Moses, Powell and Trippier which I reckon we could get for a combined 30 million quid. A good quick strong CH to play alongside Mbiwa next season wouild top off the squad assuming Taylor, Ben Arfa, Obertan, Marveaux, Debuchy?, Newton etc will be sold off generating upwards of 20 million in funds

  • 78 Blofal // May 16, 2014 at 1:43 AM

    I don’t know where all this 5 signings nonsense is coming from.

    The club have specifically stated they are not releasing (or leaking) any transfer news because they don’t want to over promise and under deliver. They have also made quite clear they will ban and take legal action against any media organisation they think is making things up.

    In reality we need 5 first team signings plus a heap of promising youngsters. And now Ashley has taken a more hands on approach I think we might get close to that. But anything reported in the media to do with the amount of signings and transfer budget is clearly just made up nonsense.

  • 79 Mister Tuff // May 16, 2014 at 2:02 AM

    expat – you scumbag. I need to correct your false info. The correct story is that my hotmail account has been infected and is sending emails automatically to everyone in my contact list. Have not cracked it yet though. I need to state it is the hotmail account that has the virus -not me.
    I remember years ago expat had posters of Jim Montgomery and Bobby Kerr on his bedroom wall. Do not think he’s changed his allegiances.

  • 80 Ian Toon // May 16, 2014 at 7:29 AM

    Hodgson admitted at the time that activities off the pitch were not helping the team although he understood the supporters frustration. I have found the quote. “The mood of militancy among the club’s supporters – highlighted by demonstrations before and after the Blackpool game – towards Hicks and Gillett, does not help performances”.
    “The players know why we are protesting,” McKenna said. “And what is more detrimental to the team – fans chanting for the owners to be removed or an under-strength squad with millions going to service debt?”
    They made the worst start in 50 years.
    We can’t afford any time in the Championship. Target Ashley and SD.

  • 81 Jail for Ashley // May 16, 2014 at 7:41 AM

    Not complete lies as the club have carefully picked out only the last five years but nevertheless very misleading.

  • 82 Jail for Ashley // May 16, 2014 at 7:50 AM

    Excellent idea, lets chant Alan Padews black and white army in our morgue like stadium while we watch his downright monotonous football before looking forward to his post match analysis of how we contained them (Hull) after a one nil win, then sympathise with him when he unnecessarily tells us we can’t compete wiv your Swanseas and Sotons as we just ain’t got the finance, we can then let out a giant awwww as he dedicates this latest win to Mikey.

  • 83 Lilongwe Geordie // May 16, 2014 at 8:21 AM

    They made their worst start in 50 years, but managed to achieve their aim of removing both owners and manager. Since then they have won a trophy, and come within a few points of winning the league. If the Liverpool fans went back in time, knowing what they do now, do you think they would change a thing? I doubt it.

  • 84 Jail for Ashley // May 16, 2014 at 8:36 AM

    I don’t know how bad things have to get before the fans will unite, it seems like those who seem to be supporting Ashley aren’t necessarily showing their support for him but their defiance of those that want something to change, the key issue is unity.

  • 85 Lilongwe Geordie // May 16, 2014 at 8:47 AM

    There was a piece on True Faith recently which, following a chat with one of the leaders of the protests, and they said that the scouse protests started in a similar dribs and drabs fashion.

    But what form of protest should protests take? I think many would happily join in if they agreed with the method. A lot of the vocal ones seem to think a boycott is the way forward, and have stopped going. Less vocal ones take their place in the ground, and the dissenting voices are silenced. Some don’t want to stop their fix of the match and want to avoid Eldon Sq with the Mrs at weekends, so will always go. That doesn’t mean they support Ashley though.

    It is impossible to know which is right, but we need a consensus, and someone who can bring it and us together. We don’t have that, so we won’t win.

    Let’s not forget the huge role RBS played in getting rid of Gillet and Hicks as well, had they not pulled the plug, then it may have been a lot more difficult for scousers.

  • 86 Ian Toon // May 16, 2014 at 9:49 AM

    Lilongwe – You need to read my post of last evening to get it in context and the full picture. It was in response to a comment comparing the Jarrow march to the failure to getour fans to boycott in order to remove Ashley. My overall point was that Liverpool were properly organised and that there persuasive approach united the fan base. This recognised the need to focus attention on the owner and thereby not impacting the team performance. The manager can be displaced thereafter when the major objective is achieved. Pardew would be on tenuous ground post Ashley.

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