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Newcastle Start Task Of Unloading Frenchmen – Ben Arfa Included

9:44 am, Thursday, May 29th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 177 Comments

News today that Newcastle have started the process of unloading a number of our French contingent, who do not have a future at Newcastle, and they are said to include Gabriel Obertan, Sylvain Marveaux, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, and Hatem Ben Arfa.

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Ben Arfa in action for Newcastle at Stoke

The report is in the Journal from Mark Douglas, and the names have been circulated to clubs in France, and Newcastle want a fee for each one of those Frenchmen, two of which are French Internationals in Ben Arfa and Yanga-Mbiwa.

The £3M fee we want for Sylvain Marveaux. who we signed as a free agent from Rennes thee years ago, is highlighted as being a barrier to moving him out.

Alan Pardew has been told he can use whatever fees he gets from the four to bring in new players – but how are we going to recuperate the £8M or so we paid out to Montpellier, for their then captain Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa a short seventeen months ago?

Maybe a loan deal could be arranged for him in France, and that would at least get his wages off the books for next season.

And one other Frenchman will definitely be leaving the club this summer and that is 24 year-old Romain Amalfitano, who has been a bust since we signed him from Reims as a free agent two years ago.

Maybe we could get £2M each for Marveaux and Obertan and maybe a bit more for Ben Arfa, who would be a steal for some club at £3M or £4M – and it’s fairly low because he has only on year left on his contract at Newcastle.

And unfortunately it’s looking almost certain that Ben Arfa has played his last game for Newcastle United.

And we’ll have the memories of some fantastic goals this lad has scored for us,  since he arrived in the summer of 2010 from Marseilles.

But it seems he’s now a luxury at Newcastle we just cannot afford, with the team struggling so much for long periods over the last couple of seasons. 🙁

Comments welcome.

Tags: Contracts · Gabriel Obertan · Hatem Ben Arfa · Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa · Newcastle News · Sylvain Marveaux · Transfer News and Rumours

177 responses so far ↓

  • 1 firebug666 // May 29, 2014 at 9:47 AM

    Mathieu Debuchy On his future: ‘At the moment, I’m 100% focused on the World Cup. My agents are working on my future.’

    This was at his French Team press conference.

  • 2 WWSBRD // May 29, 2014 at 9:49 AM

    MYM on the out? The logic of NUFC is often astounding

  • 3 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 9:49 AM

    £2million for Obertan?? Be realistic, we would be lucky for someone to just take his contract off our hands, let alone give us money for him. No one will match his wages, so I would expect he will still be part of the squad next year and we will be told he has come back rejuvenated in pre season.

    No one has even enquired about HBA yet according to that same article, and there is zero chance Marveaux will fetch £3million.

    If we are waiting to off load these before filling their places, we could have a long wait.

  • 4 Rainrix // May 29, 2014 at 9:51 AM

    What a waste.

  • 5 Ben3arfa // May 29, 2014 at 9:53 AM

    why dont these morons offer Marveaux as part of the Cabella deal and work a compromise on the fee?

    Sylvain’s brother plays for Montpelier if Im not mistaken.

  • 6 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 9:55 AM

    Ben Arfa,
    I suggested that earlier. Even offer HBA if they would prefer. Maybe, Montpellier don’t actually rate/want either though, and certainly wouldn’t be capable of matching the wages that they get here.

  • 7 Average_Contents // May 29, 2014 at 9:56 AM

    Excuses excuses

    Is anybody surprised?

    Whilst haggling like we’re at a bazaar on the streets of Ankarra, other professional clubs are getting deals done in anticipation of the window opening, oh no not us! It’ll drag on and on and on and on and on and on just like the mighty boosh’s did

    We’re not saying spend astronomical amounts but losing out on players for the sake of a few hundred grand in wages or a couple of million in transfer fees is just cutting your nose off to spite your face trying to prove a point!

    It goes both ways fatty, you cannot expect clubs to pay top dollar for our players but expect to pay peanuts for their’s!

    Sort it out

  • 8 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 9:59 AM

    If we can get any fee at all for either Marveaux or Obertan then we have done very well as none of them are worth a fee, I would be sad to MYM go as he does have some pace, what he needs is a big strong partner to compensate his lack of height, what he doesn’t need is Colo who is hopeless at all aspects of defending, it was no surprise that MYM had his best games with Willo who has the height to compliment Mapou, as for Ben Arfa, a flawed genious who lacks the work rate of the Ronaldo’s, Messi’s and Suarez’s of this world.

  • 9 thejokethatisnufc // May 29, 2014 at 10:03 AM

    Getting rid of HBA is a massive mistake if used properly he can be lethal.

  • 10 Go toon gooooo // May 29, 2014 at 10:07 AM

    French players were the problem?It is not true.More or less they all are good football professionals.Good manager will keep them all and use them all.But Parde thinks out-of-France players will save his begged managerial position.Pardew Alan out.Santon and Anita out also or maximum on the bench.Then this club will step one notch higher.

  • 11 firebug666 // May 29, 2014 at 10:08 AM

    If Debuchy leaves too we will be facing relegation, the powers that be at Newcastle couldn’t spot a decent player if their live depended on it.

    Debuchy and MYM have look really good at this club, both have made mistakes, but that’s football and something they should learn from.

    MYM was just starting to show us what he was about, and getting into his stride when he was benched for Coloccini.

    All this shows now is what an absolute idiot Pardrew is, and why he should hounded out of our club.

  • 12 estechco // May 29, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    Hmm, here’s an idea Alan, why not play £8m MYM in his real (CB) position?

    Or, you could send him packing for a fraction of his actual worth and use that pittance to replace him with an unknown from the championship.

    …what to do!?!

  • 13 jettson1971 // May 29, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    Its simple – its all lies as ever from P45DUE, here we go again, say one thing one day, then somethinf different the next. The only way, THE ONLY way to say anything is NOT TO GO and GIVE NOWT to the bank of ashley. NUFC are no longer a football club, they are a marketing arm of Sports Direct (one big advert) people must realise it is SD where Ashley makes his money, not from NUFC. We are a joke now, a club with no heart or ambition. Thats why I cancelled my 25 yr season ticket in Jan, give him nothing more. I really do hope for a sub 40K attendance on opening day. That will speak volumes, and press will demand answers to the missing 10-12K – Support Gateshead, great football, great manager, a club on the up!

  • 14 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 10:15 AM

    I’m not sure the club would want rid of Debuchy on a footballing level. If a good offer financially comes in then yes, he will go. But the club aren’t actively selling him.

    Go Toon Goo,
    No, the French players aren’t/weren’t the problem, but you are kidding yourself if you think a good manager would keep all of them. Any good manager would quickly ship out Obertan and most likely Marveaux. HBA and MYM would probably be given a chance, but no guarantee they would be any better. Only MYM really has scope for improvement with age, and adjustment to the league.

  • 15 valle // May 29, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    As many already have stated, this is probably a window like any others, where we sign a half decent player, perhaps on loan and end up getting told that they tried but would be held to ransom (So they gain our unquestioning sympathy, we wouldnt want them to get held to ransom by paying the going prices)… Cynical?, Pessimistic?, Realistic?, whichever way you look at it, we have been down this road before. I just hope the fans strike back this season and hit the jabba the hut where it hurts… His wallet.

  • 16 JAMSHA // May 29, 2014 at 10:19 AM

    if beni or mibwa goest il kick pardew on his fkn jaw

  • 17 Jeff from Benwell // May 29, 2014 at 10:22 AM

    Newcastle couldn’t spot a decent player if their live depended on it.

    Debuchy and MYM have look really good at this club

    These 2 sentences demonstrate what total balloons post on this forum

  • 18 mattnufc // May 29, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    I can’t believe Pardew told Debuchy not to attack when we on such a barren run of goals. Debuchy couldn’t be much more competent in either attacking and defending duties but Pardew still manages to fudge it up…

  • 19 jayphoto // May 29, 2014 at 10:25 AM

    Think MYM looked solid when played at CB! Problem is he needs to play alongside a big centre half as that compliments his pace. Problem is we start Colo who for me should only play in a sweeper role in a 5-3-2

  • 20 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 10:25 AM

    When will Newcastle Start Task Of Unloading Pardew?

  • 21 KingNash // May 29, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    If we sell Hatem Ben Arfa and bring in a crapper version of Hatem Ben Arfa in Andros Townsend or Wilfried Zaha, I may actually cry.

    Yanga shouldn’t be going anywhere. Throwing away a young foreign defender after a rough start is never a good idea. The top clubs don’t do it, and they would have been without Kompany, Vidic, Koscielny, Mertesacker etc etc right now.

  • 22 mattnufc // May 29, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    You couldn’t ask much more out of Debuchy.
    And Yanga has hardly been given a chance.
    So, what is your point?

  • 23 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 29, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    Previous thread

    Been here before
    Cleaning out the loft and came across a couple of old ‘The Mag’
    No 107 Feb 1998
    Nowt has changed:
    Page 3 ‘Things can only get…worse ?
    The mess that is ‘The Stevenage situation’ seems to have at least woken the club up to the fact that their PR is sadly lacking’
    10 benefits of playing bad
    1 Easier to get away tickets
    2 Not on Sky as much, so less disruption
    3 No excitement, so less chance to have a heart attack
    4 Gives moaners a chance to talk about the good old days
    5 Save Money on backing 1st goal scorer
    6 Masochists in the crowd enjoy it more
    7 A bad case of writers cramp for the tossers who tend to write to the local papers
    8 Save money on European trips
    9 Drink less because nothing to celebrate
    10 Drink more to drown sorrows.

    Page 14 Big club, small minds
    You can always tell when a season is turning shit when the club stars are making a big fuss over small matters and what a bunch of prats the directors have made themselves over the cup tyie with Stevenage.

    page 18
    We really must now admit the dreadful mistake that has been made by asking Daglish to manage our football club.

    page 20
    It’s Not His Fault, Or Is It?
    …But the current league table says we are a boring, mid-table team, lacking quality and it’s hard to argue with that. the last six weeks have been even worse than our 11th place suggests. One home league goal in the whole of December, and we had to wait until the 28th.

    Page 27
    ‘the current leaders have scored 49 league goals and conceded 16. we have scored 21 and conceded 25. we are reported to have a stronger enough squad to avoid relegation. six points above the relegation zone is a little to close for comfort’

    Just substitute 1998 for 2013/14
    Daglish for Pardew
    Shepherd for Ashley
    Cardiff for Stevenage


  • 24 lesh // May 29, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    Another sign of a window of excitement looms and it looks as though Pardew’s been reminded to bring ‘the line’ into the arena already? For sure, it just seems like five minutes since it was last mentioned!

    Anyone with half a brain would realise that any attempts to buy decent players this window’d be severely hampered given the club’s decreasing stature in the football world.

    But do Ashley and his crew ever consider the impact of their words and deeds? It appears not and fans are being conditioned to yet another Ashley window of nowt but exits and crap coming in!

    Here we go again, SNAFU!

  • 25 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 10:28 AM


    I can’t believe Pardew broke up Willo and MYM to accommodate an aging and slow Colo who doesn’t even want to be here!

    However, Colo in a back 3 with MYM and A.N.OTHER would be a world class sweeper.

  • 26 Slank // May 29, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    Not surprised that Marveaux and Oberton are being jettisoned as they have hardley featured this season.

    Surprised about MYM. He hasn’t adapted well to life in the Premiership unlike some other French players but surely it raises question marks over the judgement of Carr and the continuing search for new players in France.

    Not surprised about Ben Arfa. He hasn’t looked right all season and there have been so many rumours about him that smoke and fire comes to mind.

    I hope Abeid and Tavernia are welcomed back.

  • 27 lesh // May 29, 2014 at 10:30 AM

    And Pardew’s been told he can have any monies raised by flogging these guys, for transfers?

    Wow, a few more pennies to add to the few quid made available?

    Looking forward to a pretty busy window are we? Well, err

  • 28 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 10:32 AM


    Can’t you really believe it? It’s got Pardew’s incompetence written all over it.

    So that’s Ba, Colo, Cabaye, Debuchy and Ben Arfa, all our best players who have all questioned Pardew’s tactics now but they have all left or will leave !

    Surely losing 1 person is more desirable

  • 29 mattnufc // May 29, 2014 at 10:40 AM

    Haha of course I can believe it! But I just don’t want to; We could be playing good football but instead another season of direct piffle looms.

  • 30 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 10:42 AM


    Nothing has changed because 52000 keep turning up regardless.

    It’s like Clegg bending over for Cameron, only we are doing it for Ashley! no good whinging if people keep feeding the Sports Direct machine.

    Some people are just too thick or selfish to get that though and wonder why things are as bad as they are.

  • 31 jayphoto // May 29, 2014 at 10:42 AM

    @rotonda – yea id like to see us bring in a commanding centre back! Think Willo had an ok season but he offers nothing going forward, is as slow as a post and his defensive headers arent powerful enough and usually go to the opposition!
    Can’t see us signing one though, more likely to see Curtis Good join the first team squad. Id happily see the back of Taylor and Colo and bring in say Omer Toprak to play alongside MYM with Willo and Good in reserve

  • 32 jayphoto // May 29, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    Surprised if anyone is shocked that MYM hasn’t settled! Hes played more games out of position since he got to NUFC than he has in position! the PL is hard enough to adapt to without being played out of position and having to come up against Walcott, Valencia, Navas etc all with pace to burn!

  • 33 KingNash // May 29, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    Wow, I just started commenting here and I have never read so much negativity in my life.

    Granted, it’s mostly warranted but I’m on the verge of suicide right now.

  • 34 Wayayman // May 29, 2014 at 10:49 AM

    What does Pardew have to do to get the bullet? The Hull fiasco, playing (previously) good players out of position to the detriment of the team, making ridiculous subsitutions that baffle us fans but also the players themselves, never having a plan A let alone a plan B, taking about his sides being set up to play on the front foot when he names a defensive-minded, p!ss poor attempt at a counter attacking line up, 6 defeats in a row, failing to beat the makems, and finally, he turns up wearing that shocker of a shirt on his holidays.

  • 35 GeordieDan // May 29, 2014 at 10:52 AM

    Isn’t it just Mike Ashley logic to ask £3million for Marveux and baulk at paying over £6 million for Remy Cabella!!!

    I have ran out of expletives to describe the ****** ****.

    And I see Pardew has already started peddling the transfer (or lack of) excuses.

    We will need to sign Messi, Ronado and Bale to stand a chance of saying up this coming season if we fail to buy YET AGAIN this summer!

    Its just gobsmacking! Utter incompetence again and again and again and again and again……………………………………and again………………………………………and…………………………………………………………………………………..again………………………..ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • 36 GeordieDan // May 29, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    NB Meant to say we’ll need to sign Messi, Ronaldo and Bale in January if we fail to sign anyone this summer as we’ll be rock bottom of the league.

  • 37 jayphoto // May 29, 2014 at 10:55 AM

    Horrible feeling Ashley will Gamble this summer tbh, with Sammy, Abeid, Good, Armstrong and possibly becoming fully fledged first team members wouldn’t shock me if we only added 2 players, a central midfielder and a striker… History isn’t in our favour with hopes of a 5/6 new player revolution

  • 38 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 29, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    Lilongwe…you should be more worried about the players in excess of £10M each we will be trying to bring in this summer to replace them and then try to flog in two years time for peanuts because we have ruined them beyond recognition!

  • 39 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 10:57 AM


    that does sum it up, £3m for a total waste of a squad place and £6m for someone who has been touted as being good enough to replace the £19m Cabaye, yet the chances are we will end up with Marveaux, god help us, I’m all for getting a good deal, but there is a difference between a good deal and a pathetic way of doing your business.

  • 40 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 29, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    Yeah you can blame me – I would still turn up if we played in division 3 – Its a day out couple of pints bit of crack and let of a bit of steam – its in the blood.
    I think even if 10,000 turned up would not make a jot of difference as long as we stay in the premiership to get the tv money.

    TV money has now corrupted the premiership into a cash cow for owners to the detrement of fans and the football played

  • 41 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 10:59 AM


    It was 44 years ago when I first stood on the Gallowgate. In spite of never winning anything, there was at least always a sense of expectation and an electric atmosphere in and around the ground, especially KK’s first time and SBR. Match day couldn’t come quick enough then and the buzz was phenomenal all week.

    Now SJP is just a sanitised library, devoid of any passion whatsoever, encouraged and cemented by the poorest manager I have ever known and the singularly most disinterested owner you could ever imagine. A truly toxic combination and depressing as hell.

  • 42 Jail for Ashley // May 29, 2014 at 11:00 AM

    King Nash,
    Go to, it’s apparently full of positivity and you can bask yourself in mid table adventure and spreadsheet paradise with other like minded ‘supporters’.

  • 43 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 11:00 AM

    Eh?? More worried? More worried than what? I haven’t said I’m worried on anything today as far as I can remember! Also, the £10million players we are bringing in? I haven’t heard anything suggesting we have made any bids in the region of £10million as of yet!

  • 44 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 11:01 AM

    Given it is you, I assume you are referring to HBA in some way?

  • 45 Ancientcoptic // May 29, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    The worst of both worlds, being witnessed…

    Buying cheap players, which leads to wasting money… it is more cost effective to spend on quality. You could buy 6 cheap players and be lucky to get 2 good ones, or you could just buy 2 good players with the money you would spend on 6 cheap ones…. knowing what you will get for the money.

    Then with the quality players we do have, they are being moved on for either 1 of 2 reasons.

    1. Other club comes in and takes them off our hands, I don’t think we are 100% a selling club, but the squad looks like it has an epidemic, and it is called Pardew/Carver/Stone football. This leads to players wanting to leave.

    2. The alternative problem we have with quality players, that being the management/coaching team are not good enough to work with them… so they get wasted on the bench or kicked out of the squad all together. Giving a Pardew management side a Ben Arfa or a Tevez is like giving a go-kart team a formula one engine.

    So long as a player can do the very very basics, our coaching team can work with them. If a player can hold his position and work like a horse, you will do alright by Pardew & Co. I would love to see Pardew playing Chess, I get the impression he would rather just ask for a draw at the start, without having to move any pieces.

  • 46 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 11:04 AM


    players in excess of £10m, your being rather optimistic aren’t you, I could be wrong but I do believe that Colo is the only one who comes into that bracket, and the manager at the time didn’t even want him ?

  • 47 Jail for Ashley // May 29, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    What about those spectacles with just normal glass in thinking he’s Tiny Tantrum or whatever you call him.

  • 48 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 11:06 AM


    I’m not just blaming you and I’m not advocating a long term boycott, I’m talking 1/2 matches maximum.

    It’s too easy to say there’s TV money and it won’t make any difference.

    Yes it’s a day out with your mates, I get that, of course I do, but surely it wouldn’t kill you to miss 1/2 games to make a point.

    An empty stadium is all Ash would ever take notice. nothing else.

  • 49 Ketsbaia9 // May 29, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    Marveaux’s one of our best players. I value him at around £11m. Obertan is worth £1.5m. Now is the best time to get rid of Mike Williamson. He is useless and our fans think he was the player of the year. If we can get £2m for him, I’d celebrate.

  • 50 Ketsbaia9 // May 29, 2014 at 11:09 AM

    Also fans underrate Santon, but I think he is the best defender at the club.

    We need to get in these following players:

    Jeremy Menez
    Daniel Agger


    Ben Arfa



  • 51 Mister Tuff // May 29, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    KingNash -what negativity -please explain what you mean.

  • 52 Ketsbaia9 // May 29, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    We’ve missed out on Zarate. Menez and Gomis are available for free. The rest would cost around £50m

  • 53 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    Why would Ash take notice of a boycott? It would reach global audiences, therefore giving more exposure to his advertising. You think a man in China is going to walk into a store (Itat I think it is) and say, look, there is SD, I really need some new sports kit, but given the way he treats his football club I will go elsewhere?

    Bad publicity won’t bother him. He brought more of that on him self by banning journos. And his business practices haven’t changed since his zero hour contracts and sweat shop allegations were printed all over the papers. He couldn’t give two hoots if we didn’t go, it would just be less revenue, and therefore further tightening of the clubs belt. Most likely to the detriment of ordinary local folk who find they have no job at NUFC anymore.

  • 54 Jail for Ashley // May 29, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    That’s another problem, you’re saying one or two matches, others would say what’s the point in that, some say walk on sixty minutes, others 69, some reckon it better to stay in the ground to abuse Pardew and Mashers, we need some unity amongst fans first and foremost, what Lpool had going for them was their owners risked sending them in to liquidation and the banks were calling their money in, some fans seem happy with our lot.

  • 55 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    I get a boycott would bring it to the fore publicly, but I doubt it would overly bother him. As a statement I agree with it, as a strategy to force him out, or make him change his ways, I can’t see why or how it would work.

  • 56 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 11:13 AM


    I watched a home match against Luton back in the 80’s in the old second division when there were only 14000.

    And I would go and watch them again in league 1 because it would mean Ash had sold up.

    As you say TV money has now corrupted the premiership into a cash cow for owners to the detriment of fans and the football played.
    If you feel that way, why still go?

  • 57 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    I think that is where the biggest problem lies. No actual organisation of any form of protests. Not getting a united decision on what time to walk out made it a bit messy and less effective. The same issue would go for a boycott. Some of the main organisers of that protest still go to games, home and away, and wouldn’t advocate that.

    Too many chiefs organising protests and not enough indians following.

  • 58 GeordieDan // May 29, 2014 at 11:17 AM


    £11million for Marveux???

    Can always count on your comments to cheer me up! 😀

    You actually almost verge on sanity every now and again and may even have a point with your value of Obertan and possibly moving on Williamson after his best season.

    But we’d get very little for Williamson and Fatman won’t spend it on a replacement anyway so I’d be happy to keep him-he isn’t great but he’s better than a £250,000 replacement from Oldham or similar which would be stretching any budget we do have!

  • 59 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 11:17 AM


    Bottom line for ash is ”bums on seats”. We are his customers. No customers = no business. No doubt the TV money would soften the blow, but Ash is a guy who doesn’t miss any opportunity to make money so at least it would be a start.

  • 60 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    sorry, lilo even!

  • 61 KingNash // May 29, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    Negativity is perhaps the wrong word. I’ll go with warranted distrust and a reluctance to show faith in any of the proposed replacements.

    It wasn’t long ago that Cabaye and Debuchy were both ‘just slightly above average French league players’ and Sissoko was exculsively a DM.

    I’m not saying they’re gunna be insta-good replacements, but have a little faith in the boys. If I can say one thing about Ashley and transfers, he doesn’t spend money on 50/50 maybes, the problem is just the lack of sheer numbers. MOVE FASTER FFS

  • 62 jayphoto // May 29, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    Think 11m for Marveaux might be a bit optimistic…
    Agger? He ain’t leaving liverpool at this point specially not to a midtable twam.
    doumbia? On 120 k p/w in russia
    Think we’ll end up with Cabella or Grenier but not both, would prefer grenier myself because pardew will just farm cabella out to the wing

  • 63 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 11:20 AM


    maybe the exposure of his sweat shop labour in China etc would be more effective

  • 64 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 29, 2014 at 11:20 AM

    Boycott or not – still don’t think it would make a jot of difference.

    There is something fundamentally wrong with the club – curse or what
    We have tried throwing money at it buying the best players Hall era
    Not spending money etc., etc.

    Yet we have not won and domestic trophy for 59 years –
    60th anniversary this May.

    Yet in that time how many different teams have won a trophy 17 in the premiership, I think alone then add on your Leeds, Portsmouth, Luton town and the rest, I make it about 32 clubs have won something since we won the FA cup in 1955

    A sda state of affairs

  • 65 Jail for Ashley // May 29, 2014 at 11:21 AM

    What would be your suggestion to getting one body as an umbrella for all the different groups to unite ?

  • 66 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 11:22 AM

    No, bottom line for Ashley is revenue and profit. If fans decide not to turn up, then costs get cut. If revenue drops so would wages as they are aiming to maintain a constant wage to revenue ratio. As I say, it would more likely result in job cuts, and further deterioration of the playing staff (up until the point where Prem safety becomes an issue).

    I have looked, albeit only briefly, for an example of where a boycott has had a successful outcome within football, and haven’t found one. Fans hold much less power then they used to, and Ashley is pig headed enough to ignore it and cut expenditure.

  • 67 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 29, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    Because I’m a idiot and will support the TOON through thin and thin

  • 68 Jail for Ashley // May 29, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    ”If I can say one thing about Ashley and transfers, he doesn’t spend money on 50/50 maybes”
    Can you explain that comment in a bit more depth please.

  • 69 toonking // May 29, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    wayayman 34

    “What does Pardew have to do to get the bullet?”

    Answer. he needs to have a bad start to a season and loom in relegation after he has been able to spend lots of money summer or he has to abuse mike ashley himself.

    the hull city incident, playing players out of position, not doing the right subs, not having a plan B and poor cup runs. they don’t lead to a loss of money they just put shame on the manager or irritate fans. ashley has still got his money as newcastle finished mid table (TV money) and avoided europe (europe needs lots spent).

  • 70 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 11:25 AM

    Papers carried those reports, and his zero hour contracts. He barely batted an eyelid, SD shares dropped briefly and then soared again. I would love him gone, but I honestly don’t see where or how the fans can make it happen. A continued public campaign against SD and their practices, focussing on some of his business practices maybe, but it has all been done before and he continues to thrive.

  • 71 1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE // May 29, 2014 at 11:27 AM

    jayphoto cant see good being in first team squad anytime soon. he is injured yet again .and may require an operation .dont think he has played five games since he came to ncle before being injured .watched him for dundee utd and he was ok at that level but is a very left footed left back playing at center half rather than a center half. have also watched him playing for u 21 s and he plays the streete who pardew stated was doing well for dev squad when he had been out for 3 weeks and was injured after 1 match again both need a run of games. satka was unused sub against lpool and is more likely to be in first team squad if he strengthens up all imo.

  • 72 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    King Nash

    Debuchy and Cabaye were both Champions with Lille and were also regular CL players and Sissoko was once valued at 22M !

    I would love to see Cabella, Grenier, Lassogga etc come here but there is the real possibility they will be Pardewed and all go the same way as Ben Arfa, Marv, Cisse, Bigirimana etc or want out like Ba, Cabaye, Colo, Debuchy, Ben Arfa over Pardew’s tactics.

    Some people see Ash as problem number 1 and I guess he is as he appointed Pardew, JFK, Wise and Wonga etc. However, one loony toons manager has caused a hell of a train wreck.

  • 73 Our Toon // May 29, 2014 at 11:31 AM

    I disagree with fans that say a boycott wouldn’t work. The club spin new transfers and false stories of targets every window to boost sales of tickets, bums on seats bring in revenue from all areas not just ticket sales.

    TRY A BOYCOTT FOR 3 GAMES. At least give it go rather than making excuses for why we shouldn’t to fuel our own selfish reasons of match day fun and pints etc, we can all enjoy watching from a pub whilst consuming pints with friends and it’s still a day out. Quite frankly we deserve all we get at present, we aren’t the best fans but the most gullible and selfish fans….the club we love is being ripped away from us and all we can do is twist and attend!!

    Sorry for the rant but we certainly don’t help overselves.

  • 74 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 11:32 AM

    Tough question, one I really haven’t given a huge amount of thought to or have a particularly good answer to. How many different fans groups are there? I can think of at least 4 or 5. I don’t know enough about how they all work, for example, do the heads of all the different groups or fanzines get together and discuss ways forward or agenda’s? Surely that would be the simplest way of bringing it together.

    Personally, I think there are probably too many ego’s involved at the top of most of these groups. It probably needs someone who is willing to put aside any idea of themselves getting praise, but that is often hard to find – particularly as a number of the groups are set up by people for their own gratification.

    Basically, I have no idea. If I had more knowledge of the workings then I may come up with more of an idea, but I honestly don’t know.

  • 75 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 11:32 AM


    in the days where fan income was crucial then boycotts could work, but it’s a different world nowadays, £77m from tv alone make the financial loss a boycott would bring less damaging to him, and lets not forget the old adage that all publicity is good publicity, which is why he changed the stadium name and got a deal with Wonga, it brought publicity to him.

    I know this sounds contradictory as I have refused to continue with my season ticket, but I done that as it was my way of protesting, I do not expect the remaining 50 odd thousand to follow suit and I would not ask them to, we all deal with issues in the way we see fit, we can’t knock others because they deal with it differently to you and I.

  • 76 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 11:35 AM

    Our Toon

    then why not organise it ?

  • 77 Jail for Ashley // May 29, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    Do you think there would have been a chance of keeping Cabaye had we bought Debuchy, Gouffran, Haidara and Remy in that summer we finished fifth, adding MYM and Sissokho in January, possibly meeting Chelsea in the final of the EL and finishing in a respectable sixth or seventh with the place buzzing.

  • 78 lesh // May 29, 2014 at 11:36 AM



    If the polls are to be believed and a swathe of season tickets aren’t being renewed, then I wouldn’t be surprised if the number of ”bums on seats” will be noticeably reduced.

    But the club will continue to bungle along albeit with less guaranteed income. And if we’ll remember a fans forum when it was stated that less bums of seats would impact directly on the pitch. In other words, less income then less spend on players. But, is it possible to spend less than we have of late?

    If season tickets need to be renewed by May 31, then Pardew’s most recent statement that early major signings are unlikely makes me think they’ve given up on season ticket renewals.

    It can only get worse so be prepared for yet another window of bugger-all, overheads reductions in the form key player sales and another relegation scrap.

    If my hypothes are correct, one must what is Ashley trying to do to Newcastle United? He’s certainly not making the club an attractive proposition to potential buyers and players!

    Posisitives are required and soon.

  • 79 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 11:36 AM


    Despair doesn’t begin to describe how I feel right now, going in to next season with the same failing dark ages manager and with Sissoko, Debuchy and Ben Arfa all potentially leaving too.

    Most of all, as you say, there being absolutely zilch we can do about any of it. I still feel a short term boycott would offer something different and it’s probably the only thing left to try to rid ourselves of this dispicable despot.

  • 80 KingNash // May 29, 2014 at 11:36 AM


    Actual money paid recently (per transfermarkt):

    Vurnon Anita 7.5 Mill. £
    Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa 7 Mill. £
    Mathieu Debuchy 5.5 Mill. £
    Massadio Haidara 2.20 Mill. £
    Moussa Sissoko 2.2 Mill £
    Yoan Gouffran 1.76 Mill £
    Gaël Bigirimana 1.10 Mill. £
    Kevin Mbabu 880 Th. £
    Curtis Good 453 Th. £
    Hatem Ben Arfa 5.3 Mill. £
    Cheik Tiote 3.1 Mill. £
    James Perch 1 Mill. £
    Papiss Demba Cisse 10.56 Mill. £
    Davide Santon 4.97 Mill. £
    Yohan Cabaye 4.40 Mill. £
    Gabriel Obertan 2.99 Mill. £
    Rob Elliot 101 Th. £

    With the exception of Papiss and maybe Yanga, every player has held value or turned dramatically profitable. The guiy doesn’t gamble on players who will fall off a cliff and lose him 5 million quid. He buys youth for cheap, foreign players who are being sold under market value and gets guys in on loan wherever possible if he thinks he’s gunna blast a load of money on them in the near future (like Remy or De Jong or Ben Arfa).

    While that’s a bloody good way to make an arseload of money, unfortuantely modern football is all about who can gamble debt in the best way. There is no way this model is sustainable for us going forward if we’re aiming for Europe. You need decades of worldwide youth recruitment ala Arsenal to do that, and while our youth is pretty underrated, it’s no Arsenal farm system.

    I am with the rest of you: If ever there’s a time to spend money it’s now. A lot of the big European clubs need huge scale squad redevelopment, which is a perfect situationfor us to grab 3-5 great players for not that much (Ba, Lescott, Richards, Rodwell, Maybe a load of United players, maybe more from Chelsea, maybe have a look at bringing Jose Enrique back – just spitballing and that’s just the top prem teams), if the man is willing to spend 8 million each on like 5 players to go with the Cabaye replacement and the obviously necessary new Striker

  • 81 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 11:37 AM

    Our Toon,
    Most of our ticket sales are season ticket as it is more cost effective to buy if you want to go to lots of games. Therefore a boycott just makes a statement, with minimal financial impact.

    Say, 30,000 season tickets, leaving a max of 20,000 potential tickets not being bought. Average price say £30, £600,000 per match maximum. Less than 1 place in the league. The sale of a player in Jan will make up for that.

  • 82 Mister Tuff // May 29, 2014 at 11:37 AM

    Charlie – you need to stop going and spend the money on a cleaning lady -to clear out your office and loft.
    You just reported finding an old copy of the Mag -did you not report finding a 20year old copy of the Football Pink a few months back.
    Get you office and hoose sorted out man!

  • 83 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 11:38 AM


    the really ironic thing is how far our merchandising, ie shirt sales (Ash’s forte) has fallen.

  • 84 Blackley and Brownlie // May 29, 2014 at 11:41 AM

    We’re in a bad way if we need to “recuperate” our money before we spend it, Ed.

    I can just imagine Pardew. You can’t ask money to work too hard for you if I’m honest. Money needs a rest for sure. It goes round and round and sometimes needs to recuperate a little bit. I think the fans understand that and Mike, who has been terrific for this club, is keen to take good care of the clubs money, there’s no doubt about that, 100%. But hospital beds for money just aren’t there and that might affect us a little bit this season if I’m honest.

  • 85 lesh // May 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM

    Kilo, you’re spot on about the fan groups:

    Too many, different agenda, big egos, personal agenda, political agenda, lack of cohesion, communication and a complete lack of business and financial acumen and professionalism.

    And they wonder why Ashley treats them with contempt?

  • 86 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM

    King nash

    It is sustainable if you have a Wenger, Klopp or Jorge Jesus in charge who will really bring on and develop young players. This is not happening at NUFC. Look at all the released ”next big things” we’ve had.

  • 87 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM

    I’m not arsed on HBA, but would be disappointed to see the other 2 go. It still baffles me that Pardew has kept his job, but I guess if he achieved minimum target then we shouldn’t be surprised.

    A boycott for me makes a statement that fans aren’t happy, and a large one may have some impact but will it see Ashley sell up? I doubt it. As Lesh says, costs and revenue are linked so it could lead to things getting worse.

    It all leads to a pretty horrible feeling for most fans other than spreadsheet enthusiasts. Despair is fairly apt, but I guess we just have to dig in for a bumpy ride and do what we can to make things change, I’m just at a loss as to what we can do.

  • 88 Go toon gooooo // May 29, 2014 at 11:45 AM

    This year we had miserable streak of losing games and all that players that were into losing Newcastle team are good and Obertan(he hasn’t played at all,maybe two years under Pardew) and Marveaux(nearly the same as Obertan with a little bit more games than zero)were BAD players.It is not fair.And congratulations for Mike Williamson-player of the millenium.

  • 89 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    If we have to sell players to generate spending power can anyone confirm if Ashley’s loan to us is being decreased in any way? Otherwise where’s the money going?

  • 90 Blackley and Brownlie // May 29, 2014 at 11:47 AM

    Money recuperation scenario is key for sure. The fans have accused mike of using the club to launder money whereas the truth is he’s resting it a little bit.

  • 91 toonking // May 29, 2014 at 11:47 AM

    now that glazer has died, i am wondering if united might be looking for a new owner soon?
    even if they weren’t looking for a new owner fans might start protesting for whoever glazer passed his ownership onto, to now sell the club, if someone wanted to buy a football club and their was a choice of either newcastle or manure i can’t see them choosing us over manure.

    also when we look back at the riots united had with their protests against the glazers, that is a thing i think makes me wonder if liverpool were just a lucky club who got their protest done at the right time, a time when a new owner was out their looking for clubs.

  • 92 lesh // May 29, 2014 at 11:47 AM

    Lilo, your tag’s taking a bit of a hammering this morning – me inluded:

    Kilo = Lilo.

    Mickey Mouse (or Mike Ashley) autocorrect!


  • 93 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 11:47 AM

    King Nash,
    By those values, Anita hasn’t increased. Nor has HBA, Perch sold for less than that. Obertan, definitely down, Mbabu, Bigi and Good have done very little to say up or down. And as you say, Pappiss and MYM.

    So that is more than half that haven’t dramatically gone up in price.

    “Kilo” You making a jibe at my weight?? 😉

    Shirt sales by the club have gone down but is that not in part down to the way the club merchandise is now structured with it being linked to SD?

  • 94 Our Toon // May 29, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    Don’t underestimate the power of BUMS ON SEATS, this revenue we get from TV deal would get reduced because who wants show a football match on TV when fans have stayed away?

    • Reduced revenue on match days, including TV stations staying away, unhappy sponsors, no pies etc. bought!!
    • MA won’t allow relegation as his investment will be tarnished and not a cash cow anymore, no TV deal, even if he sold the club he’d make a loss, proud businessman wouldn’t want a failed business on his books

    Spoof – it takes more than 1 person to organise it but I do propose we as fans try to come up with suggestions either here or meet up and get a REAL movement going, involve the other groups and get everyone (most of us) to pull in 1 direction.

    Lilongwe – Bums on seats ensures TV revenue etc. How many foreign sports channels will want to show us when the stadium is half empty? It’s irrelevant that these seats have already been paid for lack of fans attending means that the few sponsors we have will stay away. BUMS ON SEATS AFFECTS ALL ASPECTS OF REVENUE FOR THE CLUB, look at the bigger picture mate.

  • 95 KingNash // May 29, 2014 at 11:48 AM


    No more than every other club in the division. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any ‘next big things’ who we released and that I actually thought were going to be real stars in the league. We haven’t had a youth as good as Campbell, Armstrong, Woodman, Bigirimana, Satka and The Better Remie in a while

  • 96 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    Lesh @ 78

    Some excellent points made there.

  • 97 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 11:50 AM

    He stepped away a few years ago I think and left the running of Man U to his son. I doubt it will make much difference.

    Liverpool got their owners out because Royal Bank of Scotland pulled the plug on finance and wanted around £70 million repaid.

  • 98 Belfast // May 29, 2014 at 11:51 AM

    Bloody hell we’ll be lucky to have a team at this rate.

    I wonder how they intend to make the squad stronger, when they’re letting so many go ?

  • 99 Rotonda heights // May 29, 2014 at 11:52 AM

    Campbell and Bigirimana in danger of not making it with us and I am seriously worried for Armstrong’s development under Pardew. I am thinking also of the Kadars, Lua luas, Spears, Tozers etc, etc.

  • 100 KingNash // May 29, 2014 at 11:52 AM


    Hence why i said held value or turned dramatically profitable. I’d say Anita could still be sold for 6 mill (1.5 of that fee is add-ons which I doubt have been paid yet anyway). I’d also say a 250k loss after 3 or 4 seasons worth of playing time is at least holding value. Obertan was a young purchase which I would have probably made given the fee and the pure potential (from a skill and physical attribute standpoint) he had before we knew he had no footballing brain whatsoever.

    At least lets be fair, he’s making money and the players we buy are often decent-good. There’s just not enough and we would actually prefer good-great.

  • 101 Jail for Ashley // May 29, 2014 at 11:53 AM

    Both Gosling and Marveaux were both suffering injuries when we bought them, that’s taking a lot more than a 50/50 chance, ok they were free but their wages over the last few years weren’t, and not one single player you have listed have had any PL experience, when you average that out over seventeen players you are talking a lot more than 50/50 mate.

  • 102 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 11:55 AM

    Our Toon,
    Plenty of foreign channels will still show the games mate. It won’t make too much difference to that side of thing at all. Wigan were shown often enough on African TV and they rarely had a half full ground.

    The people watching most foreign games couldn’t care less on the stadium attendance. They are watching the football – and most of them not for us, but for the opposition.

    Have you ever turned off a game because there was a low attendance?

    The few sponsors we have?? I remember someone posting on here or another forum that during a game over 70% of the advertising hoarding were showing an Ashley owned, or part owned company. The others are global giants for which they are advertising for TV, not the pittance of folk in stadium.

  • 103 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 11:56 AM


    we are all depressed about this but the reality is no matter how frustrated we are a boycott will never happen, the chances are you know that but are calling for one anyway out of desperation, which nobody could knock you for as most of us feel the same.

    But the reality is that getting 50,000 fans not to go for 2/3 games will not happen, and even if it did the damage wouldn’t be as great as we would hope for due to the publicity which he would get, and don’t forget that he would already have got his cash as most seats are season ticket holders anyway, the benefits are not worth it.

    For me a better way would be too demonstrate outside SD shops, all you would need is about 10 volunteers outside of a shop with banners and the chances are some passers by would soon make that number 20 and then 30 and so on, we cannot stop people from entering and buying but it would be a big turn off for a lot of people, do 10/15 shops at the same time and continue it for a week then we could send a message as it would be costing him money, as I say 10 people per shop and 15 shops, thats 150 people, but it could well build to be something much bigger, to me this would be a better way as it would hit his pocket, he may still get the publicity but no matter what we do the chances are he would get that anyway, but like you yourself quite rightly stated, his wallet is where we can hurt him.

    The problem is we need to get it organised, I neither have the time nor the patience not even mentioning the skills required to do it, but I am pretty sure there must be some who can. Just a thought, what do you think.

  • 104 KingNash // May 29, 2014 at 11:57 AM

    Rotonda, you had a lot more faith in Lua Lua and Tozer than I did, that’s for sure. None of them were meant to be ‘next big things’ just the next Stevie T’s or Keith Gillespie’s. They were around Remie’s level and he’s probably our 5th best youth player if not 6th.

    Adam Campbell is the major worry for me. I have faith in Armstrong as a 10 and Bigirimana will be an average Prem midfielder if not better.

  • 105 lesh // May 29, 2014 at 11:57 AM

    Lilo, you’re right when you say that the non-renewal of season tickets wouldn’t affect revenue if those seats were filled by on the day tickets.

    But season tickets provide a figure that’s guaranteed and can be used for budgeting whereas on-the-day revenue isn’t!

    Now, imagine that seasons aren’t renewed and performance on and off the pitch is bad – empty seats equates to no revenue.

  • 106 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 11:58 AM

    King Nash,
    I’m not criticising the players he’s bought. I’m criticising the lack of development in them by our illustrious manager and his jobs for the boys coaching staff.

    I don’t care if he makes money from us or not, but what I do want is to see a good footballing product on the pitch, be that entertainment and commitment, or an unlikely trophy. Not this awful muck that has been served up.

  • 107 Blackley and Brownlie // May 29, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    I like the look of bigi but have seen nothing to suggest Campbell will ever make it.

  • 108 Wayayman // May 29, 2014 at 12:00 PM

    Jail @47. Tiny Tampon I think is the one you’re thinking of, right?

    Lilongwe, Ian Toon, Rotunda and anyone else talking about the possibility of a protest/organising a mass protest. I was talking to my Dad earlier this week, he’s been a ST holder for as long as I can remember, went to loads of away gamers in his younger years, even to Hungary for the Fairs Cup game (45 years today apparently!) and he went in to cancel his season ticket direct debits at Barclays a couple of weeks back. The woman in the bank said that she wished she had a pound for every supporter doing the same thing. Here’s hoping that many more have done the same.

    But, one horrible thought has just hit me; IF we had a poor take up of ST’s for next season, what would Ashley do? My feelings are that he’d just sell one of our better players (Debuchy, Sissoko) to make up for the loss of income. It’s a no-win situation with this bloke, I just wish I had a solution to the problem.

  • 109 1949BH PROUDTOBEAGEORDIE // May 29, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    think probably that there are no other clubs in for cabella and that lyon are hoping to con clubs into chasing grenier by saying they wont sell him this season . before anyone makes comments about me cutting and pasting from previous posts , dont know if this is a compliment or not. with my limited computer use any short cut would take longer and all i do is type slowly making cutting and pasting comments look silly. the reason i post again about grenier is some posters think because we are after a player he is a world beater., as kevymartins saying he is exellent .imo he is overated lazy lethargic and gutless based on the matches i have seen him play. in a league in which lille a well organised but mediocre team that has our old 2007 flop rozhenal as part of it team for half of the games qualifiy for champs league these are facts not opinion1 lyon did better against stronger teams without grenier than with him in the team when he was injured beating psg among others. having almost as many shots at goal as lacazette aboubacar gomis 63 taking 102 corners and 46 free kicks grenier has 4 goals and five assists hardly great .

  • 110 KingNash // May 29, 2014 at 12:04 PM


    Bringing in injured players on a free in the hope that they recover well enough to sell them for money is pretty much the definition of only buying players you can make a profit from. I also said ‘HE DOESNT SPEND MONEY on 50/50s’, so that holds up.

    PL experience is hellishly overrated. If you are good enough, you are good enough. Look at how many players have come to the Prem for decent money recently and played better than everyone hoped. Usually, if you pay a decent price, you get a decent player. This isn’t the mid 90’s where everyone was relatively unknown, if I wanted to I could watch 15 games Cabella played in just by going on my laptop.

  • 111 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    But Season tickets will be renewed. Even during economic crisis people still bought season tickets. Very few will want to give up a fortnightly fix. I know I still miss going to the matches, and I gave mine up a good few years ago when I went abroad initially.

    Empty seats equates to no match day revenue, although most likely a larger away section bringing a small amount of cash in for higher priced tickets.

    It will also equate to the clubs cloth being cut accordingly. Leading to a spiral. Would Ashley be too fussed about selling off all the assets, getting his money back and liquidating the club? Massive extreme, but no more extreme than suggesting we won’t sell any season tickets.

  • 112 KingNash // May 29, 2014 at 12:06 PM

    Lilo –

    Well, now you’re on about Pardew, I was on about Ashley’s transfer policy from the beginning. Everyone with a brain can see Pardew has no idea how to change a system or set up to play against the 6 or 7 formations that you see in the Prem these days.

  • 113 beermonkey // May 29, 2014 at 12:07 PM


    on Armstrong
    I never get to see any of the reserve or youth games unless there on tv

    I watch a couple of the England under 17s and watched Armstrong for the first time
    he is clever good touch ball to feet great at laying of a pass for others

    I can not see how he will make it in our team that shoots on sight if he went to a team like fool or Southampton he would have played full games for them already and well on his way to being a good prem player
    keeper did well in the tourney as well

  • 114 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 12:07 PM

    That is exactly what he would do. The club have said as much in what at best could be described as a veiled threat to fans who do cancel. They said expenditure is directly related to income. Therefore expect a lowering of player standard and some ordinary folk who work at SJP on the concessions, in boxes, club shop etc to be out of work.

    King Nash,
    Ashley’s transfer policy has its merits, but it also has plenty of flaws.

  • 115 Slank // May 29, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    Spoof @ 103

    Why do you want to demonstrate outside Sports Direct as Newcastle United has nothing to do with them? Why cause harm and distress to people who work for Sports Direct as they have nothing to do with Newcastle United.

    Sports Direct is a public company. Their major shareholders are pension funds. Why don’t you complain to them? Even better, why don’t you buy shares Sports Direct and demonstrate at the annual general meeting?

  • 116 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    The major shareholder is Mike Ashliey. I agree though, protesting outside SD shops would damage NUFC fans reputation more than Mike Ashley. It would just look a petty act.

  • 117 wynsleap // May 29, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    Lilongwe @ 57 You say there are no organised protests or demonstrations. The problem is that every time such a group decides to stage a protest of any kind the whingers on here come on and say that they’re doing it for the publicity.
    No wonder nothing is done. And if nothing keeps on being done we won’t have a club worth supporting soon.

  • 118 Our Toon // May 29, 2014 at 12:16 PM


    Your talking about the same owner who splashed out on 5 Frenchman because he thought we’d get relegated if we didn’t buy. Do you really think he would asset strip and lose money?

    All I hear is FEAR, I’ve never known so many fans scared of what MA might do if we didn’t attend, this is a 2 way street mate. Asset stripping will lead to relegation….loss of revenue and will hit Fatman hard

  • 119 Our Toon // May 29, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    MA is ruling like any dictator….FEAR, this rubbish about less revenue means less spent on players etc. WHAT MONEY IS BEING SPENT NOW?

    MA wouldn’t allow relegation again, it cost him big time when we did get relegated, he’d rather splash the cash than to see us go down!!

  • 120 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 12:21 PM


    if you cannot see how affecting SD could not be beneficial to us then there isn’t really any point in trying to explain it is there.


    so what would you suggest then, you say no to a boycott and now you say no to this suggestion, so what is your suggestion because sitting back and throwing the towel in is the worst thing that we could do.

  • 121 Thump // May 29, 2014 at 12:25 PM

    @beermonkey: In all fairness mate, would you put him into a team as toxic as ours was since Christmas? I wouldn’t wish that on the lad, morale loss at that age can be a dangerous, dangerous memory. I understand why Pardew didn’t play Arma more, what bothered me is why he got little cameo’s when he was in the squad. If you’ve got plans to put him on, put him on early and let him get into the game rather than carrying the attack.

  • 122 beermonkey // May 29, 2014 at 12:27 PM


    I think small protests out side ashleys shops is great ]I don’t think anything we do at the stadium will work mostly due to the tv funds offsetting any boycott
    also fans worry about adverse affect on the team

    small protests outside sd shops asking people not buy in there
    the board of directors would have to lean on Ashley to do something its also his beloved shops

    not every1 has a renta mob mentality and done the right way clearly and politely could be a good way to go
    as for sd not being anything to do with us there shite is plastered all over our stadium

  • 123 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    When did I say there were no organised demonstrations or protests? There have been some just badly organised. Was it the whiners fault that groups couldn’t actually organise a uniform time for the walk out? No, that was between the groups themselves.

    Our Toon,
    I said that was a massive extreme. You never got back to me about if you stop watching football matches on TV because there attendance is poor? Nothing to do with fear or what MA might do. The club have already stated that income and expenditure are linked, so we know what will happen if income falls. That isn’t fear mate. I’m more commenting on that I doubt it will improve the way he runs the club or make him sell it.

    I have said in the past I don’t know what would work, or even if anything would. He is a cold hearted and cut throat business man. I expect he will sell the club when it is most advantageous to him, and I doubt he cares what we think.

  • 124 Slank // May 29, 2014 at 12:31 PM


    Sports Direct have no input to Newcastle United. You might as well say that Standard Life and Legal and General are culpable as they are Sports Direct shareholders.

    Mike Ashley owns Newcastle United. If he wants to invite companies to advertise on his premises and not charge them that is up to him. He isn’t breaking any laws. If the next owner of Newcastle United decides to do the same are you going to demonstrate?

  • 125 beermonkey // May 29, 2014 at 12:31 PM


    I agree not playing him specially when were losing but then I don’t see the point in 3 mins here 5 there
    and don’t big him up in the press and say he is gonna get game time

    he looks a good talent but I don’t think our style will suit him from what I have seen
    I hope he goes onloan neaxt season

  • 126 midweek weekend // May 29, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    Looks like Debuchy is off, sky sports news reporting he’s focusing on world cup while his agents deal with his future, so we’ve now lost our most talented defender so add a new right back to our long list of replacements, I seriously worry for next season we simply need to many players and I doubt we’ll get enough in, what if we can’t find a remy replacement who’s scoring the goals? Relegation is a serious possibility next season what a terrible state to be in.

  • 127 Slank // May 29, 2014 at 12:37 PM


    I keep repeating it that Sports Direct has no input to Newcastle United.

    If the next owner is a foreigner and he wants to advertise his companies none of which are in the UK what are you going to do?

  • 128 Thump // May 29, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    @beermonkey: Unless we get a striker in I don’t think we can afford to send him on loan. The only senior striker we have now has a broken kneecap! Looks like Arma and Campbell might be our main strike force.

  • 129 toonking // May 29, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    i don’t think their is a solution to the problem on how to get rid of ashley without it having an impact on the team negatively.

    really when i look at the footballing world the future of a club, the chances are we will see a club more worse off than a club better off really.

    liverpool is the only one i can think of that has got itself a better life than it had with it’s previous owner.

    we tried lots of protesting after his keegan saga and all that got us last time was a relegation into the championship and the only managers we had were JFK shearer, chris and pardew. no decent ones come as they will just see it as a puppet job. those who are out of jobs at the minute are out of jobs for a reason.

    if people still want to boycott a match, an idea i have is to boycott the newcastle match but don’t just keep the money in your pocket instead head over to gateshead and also why not all wear gateshead T-shirts basically if it makes the headlines that newcastle fans are moving over to gateshead why would ashley want to own a club that now has no supporters.

  • 130 beermonkey // May 29, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie

    your last comment to spoof

    he is one ruthless man and the more I have read about him I don’t think anything will make him sell up till he has finished with us, he listens to no1 and once he has an idea he sees it through no matter what stands in his way,
    dunno whether its been posted before but read

  • 131 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 12:41 PM


    but in the mean what you are basically suggesting is that we sit back and do nothing, that can’t be right, it appears as if money is all that he responds to, so if we could slow his cash flow down then it could work, a peaceful demonstration with the aim of deterring, I’m not suggesting that we trash the shops so I don’t see how that would make us look petty, yes I have no doubt that some would or could get a bit to forceful but thats the nature of the beasts, animosities do run high at protests but who would be to blame for that, we have wished and pleaded for him to sell but to no avail, so if it does get a bit heated then so be it, it’s self inflicted by him, we really do need to grow a pair.

  • 132 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 29, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    Lilongwe…I never said you were worried but that you should be more worried…

    …if that is the wrong phrasing in English then worry about what I said and not so much about the value of Marv or Benny for that matter.

    What you are seeing at Newcastle in terms of player decline is just the present that keeps on giving. It will happen all over with new players!

  • 133 kevymartins // May 29, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    How much is a nufc game ticket? say £40 x 49000 is what nearly 2 million every 2 weeks or something? That more than covers our players wages and expencises and stuff so where the F is our money going from tv rights and all exactly ?

  • 134 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // May 29, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    *you have to read that post with my last post in mind. Maybe you won’t get what I mean!

  • 135 sweendog // May 29, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    Spoof .. he is using Newcastle as a merchandising tool .. strip him of that and he leaves IMO
    Wonder how he would like 50K geordies wearing “Sports Direct is Tat” T-Shirts .. as well as banners ..

  • 136 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 12:47 PM


    deep pockets m8, deep pockets.

  • 137 kevymartins // May 29, 2014 at 12:49 PM

    We are f ing being robbed he is gona be chipping away at us for years. Plus we owe him what 150mil or something and he has already took god knows how much and wasted it in a day or 2 on his stupid stocks….Although his net worth has wen’t up a lot recently probably the club pulling him in tons of money is helping him with that and in return he can’t even give then fans a little back the ****

  • 138 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 12:49 PM


    not a bad idea, I’ll get my t-shirt tomorrow.

  • 139 beermonkey // May 29, 2014 at 12:50 PM


    sports direct have a board of directors he is not a sole owner like he is with us, he cant do as he pleases there, as we have seen when they refused his demands for cash,
    so if we can cause the revenue to drop at his shops by protesting he will have to answer to the directors of sd
    loss of revenue could have an effect on share price.

    if nothing else he will have to explain and whether he will anything after that who knows

    every plan has merits

  • 140 kevymartins // May 29, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    @Sweendog thats not all he is using us for. He is pulling away huge profits and still saying we owe him money. The guy should be locked up.

  • 141 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    I don’t say sit back and do nothing, but whatever it is needs to be better organised and have better backing. So far we have been divided and indecisive. The fans need to put on a United front whatever it is they decide to do. We all have an opinion on what would or wouldn’t work, my view is I doubt anything will affect his position here. Others think in ground protests, some sit ins, others boycotts. You advocate demonstrating outside his store (I presume Eldon Square). Unless the fan base is all together in this though, none of it will have an impact.

    Also, SD is a multi national, I imagine protesting outside of one/2 stores will have an insignificant impact on their profits. That would be another drawback. It will make a statement that we aren’t happy, but as I said before, I don’t see it changing his position which surely is the real goal of any protests?

  • 142 felling mag // May 29, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    I think that if we get on Pardews case every home game and be totally relentless against him he`ll walk. The useless prick was shit scared to come out the dugout against Cardiff if he gets that every home game he`ll buckle under the strain. But we need a forward comming in aswell as a creative central player at the very least. A take no prisoners CB would be handy aswell. If these rumors are true about Shawcross he`d fit the bill mabe a swap deal involving Taylor plus cash. The forward I`d like would be Hernandes or Welbeck. On Welbeck people say he doesn`t score enough goals but if he played every week he`d score 15/20 goals and he can put himself about. Not sure on the midfielder but Grenier or Cabella would be a start although not seen much of either.
    Debs Shawcross Yanga Santon/Haidaria
    Tiote Sissoko
    Benny Grenier Goufran
    Three Players that would improve the team.

  • 143 toonking // May 29, 2014 at 12:53 PM

    i can’t see that working, the BBC had a panarama show a few years ago about the way he was with his shop staff yet that didn’t stop him getting a buissness.

    we as toon fans might view his shops as rubbish but the neutrals will just see them as words that mean nothing as really they know we hate Ashley so wouldn’t be expected to give credit.

  • 144 Our Toon // May 29, 2014 at 12:56 PM


    Yes games will be shown but more broadcasters will stay away, we already play the worst football in the league so entertainment is low. The home fans aren’t attending will certainly turn broadcasters away. With teams like Wigan it’s understandable but just how often were there games shown abroad on the main channels?

    So far you have shot down every suggestion but not come up with one yourself, please enlighten us with any thoughts on how best to proceed with showing our displeasure to how our club is being run.

    I’ve said this so many times but MA will not allow relegation again, his only love SD would suffer greatly as the biggest marketing tool he has will be in the championship. Come January if we are fighting relegation the fatman will spend big to ensure we remain in this league.

    I believe these sentiments to be facts!!

  • 145 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    Okay, more worried would imply I had already stated I was worried about something else, which I hadn’t, but I understand what you are referring to.

    I don’t think Marveaux has declined to be honest, just was never really cut out for it, and at best is a last 20 minute substitution.

    HBA, well, we have done this one to death haven’t we, so let’s not go over old ground.

    Yes, players have gone backwards, or in some cases stood still. Others have gone on to become better players, whether that is because, or in spite of Pardew is irrelevant as some of the players that have gone backwards could have the same argument made.

    As for Pardew, he is an oaf who won’t speak out, or quit because I’d imagine that even an egotistical moron like him admits privately this is way above the level he should be at, and why jeopardise it. It would be great to have a new manager, but once again, Ashley has decided to stick with him. God knows what sort of catastrophe would have to occur to remove him from a job.

  • 146 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 12:59 PM


    as beermonkey has already stated even though Ashley is the major shareholder at SD he is still answerable to other shareholders, now if you were a shareholder and you then found out that demonstrations were taking place outside of the shops which affect your own shares would you not pressurise Ashley to get it sorted, I’m pretty sure you would, but how could Ashley do that, either sell or invest and either way I would happy, give it a bit of thought m8, it has a lot going for it.

    Yes SD is a multi-national company, but do we not have fans in many parts of this company, now don’t get me wrong I am not suggesting that it would happen overnight, but it would be a good start with the possibility of it growing, honestly I haven’t seen any other suggestions which I feel could have a decent impact, and at the end of the day, nothing ventured nothing gained.

  • 147 kevymartins // May 29, 2014 at 1:01 PM

    @Lillongwe Do you really think he gives a **** about us being relegated or SD. Wasn’t it just last year he started to sell shares of SD?

    He bought us when he made his first billion or something but since that he has been playing the stock trade market and has now 3 or 4 billion or something. So I don’t believe he gives 2 cr** about us or SD…….Newcastle just needs a passionate owner with cash like chelsea… Freddy was as passionate as they came just the pitty he didn’t have the bling.

  • 148 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 1:02 PM

    company – country.

  • 149 Sazzer // May 29, 2014 at 1:04 PM

    Bordeaux have three interesting players in Sertic, Diabate, and L.Sane If we can make a deal with any of those three and Mbiwa going in the other direction it would make sense.

    The dream would be to get like 4-6 m £ + L.Sane.

  • 150 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 1:04 PM

    Our Toon,
    In Africa, very often. About between 7 and 9 Prem games every weekend are broadcast. There were only 2, possibly 3 games I wasn’t able to watch on TV of Newcastle’s this season. If you are broadcasting that many games, then most teams will regularly be shown, and as the financial figures are based on TV appearances, not how many watched, then it would really make little odds.

    As I have already said numerous times, I don’t know what would work, as I am not sure anything would. Certainly nothing will unless the fan base can be unified, which if this blog were a perfect representation of the clubs fans would appear impossible. I was a big fan of the walkout idea, thinking it would make an impression in the media. As it was, the fans groups couldn’t agree on the time, and it just seemed like a casual walk out between 60 and 70 minutes.

    Why do you keep mentioning relegation? I have mentioned it in one post, saying that was a very extreme view. If you look at other posts you will see I state we will see a cheapening up to the point where relegation is possible.

  • 151 Our Toon // May 29, 2014 at 1:04 PM

    Spoof @ 146

    Totally agree with you mate

  • 152 beermonkey // May 29, 2014 at 1:04 PM


    there are toon fans all over the country and an awful lot don’t get to games in Newcastle so there is an awful lot of us that cant get involved there are a lot of shops in the uk and a lot of toon fans its time to unleash the army it doesn’t have to happen just in Newcastle

  • 153 kevymartins // May 29, 2014 at 1:07 PM

    Yeah his net worth is going up he is now worth $7 billion witch is probably worth around £4 or near 5 billion…. We don’t mean shit to him.

  • 154 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 1:07 PM

    Out Toon and beermonkey

    thank you for the support, I did mention this to NUST so you never know, something might happen, it would be difficult to organise but it could be helpful.

  • 155 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 1:09 PM

    If the shareholders were to put pressure on him to change something because of a protest outside the Newcastle stores of SD, why do they still operate zero hour contracts when there were national protests outside SD shops regarding those?

  • 156 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    Yes I think he cares about us getting relegated. Why did he sign 5 players when it was a possibility? We are used to advertise SD, in the championship, he doesn’t get the same global exposure.

  • 157 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    Also last time the other board members tried to overrule him he sold some of his shares, dropping the value by 6%. He couldn’t care less mate.

  • 158 toonking // May 29, 2014 at 1:15 PM

    if newcastle fans started doing things that would give his main buissness a bad image don’t you think he might first damage us in the worst way possible and sell us once we are in league 1 or 2.

  • 159 kevymartins // May 29, 2014 at 1:15 PM

    @Lillongwe. Didn’t someone get sacked for bringing in them 5 players that time was it that tool Llambias or someone.

    I think he has gave up on SD and has ventured into other clothing companys. He seems to have been selling SD shares off alot lately.

  • 160 toonking // May 29, 2014 at 1:16 PM

    and it’s not like his sports direct image hasn’t already got a bad image of itself.

  • 161 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM

    The protests were planned, but did they take place ?

    They tried to over rule him on the pay out which he was giving to himself, what I am suggesting could affect the share price which in turn affects all of them if it was to succeed, which is a whole different situation to him giving himself a hand out, but he did take drastic measures which is what we would be wanting, he is hardly going to sell some more shares to scare us off is he.

  • 162 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 1:22 PM


    he might do that, but to me it would be a gamble worth taking as all we have now is mid table without Europe or a cup, what can we lose, more importantly, what do we gain by doing nothing ?

  • 163 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    His other clothing companies are owned by SD, it is an umbrella company. And no, no one was sacked for buying the five players, rumour was that Ashley stepped in to make those deals happen. Llambias left due to the JFK appointment, but left of his own accord.

    I know I’m arguing with Spoof on this, but what you propose is a very extreme scenario, one I mentioned to Lesh, but not one I think would happen. He will keep us in the Prem I’d expect as that brings the exposure and tv revenue.

  • 164 kevymartins // May 29, 2014 at 1:23 PM

    I think I saw somewhere MA has invested in the likes of Gino/NV and alot more. I think he is far beyond SD.

    Infact now i’m wondering if SD our paying MA for advertising at a discount price.

  • 165 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 1:25 PM


    we aren’t arguing m8, we are debating in a civilised manner !

  • 166 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 1:27 PM


    we agree on that, I doubt whether he would be prepared to lose millions on the clubs value by getting us relegated out of spite.

  • 167 expatmag // May 29, 2014 at 1:28 PM

    G/day all. How are we all today

  • 168 kevymartins // May 29, 2014 at 1:29 PM

    @Lillownge what companies? don’t they just supply with their own brands ie Umbro /Slazanger/carbrini/lonsdale and a ton more.I thought what he invest on the shares market with his money all the profit goes to him.

    If I hada new sports world |(Now known as sports direct) was gona be run by the scum that run nufc I would have never shopped in it.

  • 169 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 1:29 PM

    Yes they did happen, they also happened after the Panorama expose. Nowt changed. Ashley deliberately drops the share price when they challenge them.

    One city analyst says that he runs it like his own portfolio, regardless of other shareholders, the shareholders keep stun a lot of the time, as he has been very successful doing it.

    In all honesty mate, I admire your belief in this way of demonstrating, and who knows, you may well be right, it might work. I just can’t see it personally as from what I have read re his way of operating and his other business interests he will plough on regardless.

    As I said, one form of protest or another may well work, but it would require a united fan base, something which we seem to struggle to achieve and that for me has to be the initial aim, bring all fans together and eliminate all the competing fans groups, or bring them altogether in one umbrella organisation.

  • 170 Big pec // May 29, 2014 at 1:30 PM

    Nudge Nudge wink wink, got a great deal for you lads for nixxy nadda zilch, 8 years totally free advertising and publicity with NUFC, r we up for it!! hell yea Mike!!!

    Fcuk u fella, get money`s paid, we are not here for gratis for you Mike.

  • 171 expatmag // May 29, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    I advocated demonstrations outside SD stores some time ago with coordinated national press coverage as I think this would cause huge embarrassment to MA whilst also possibly reducing share prices of his company as all adverse publicity does

  • 172 Big pec // May 29, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    expat, it is a monumental travesty of justice what he has done concerning, free advertising publicity at NUFC for Sports Direct.


  • 173 Spoof // May 29, 2014 at 1:36 PM


    and that is the biggest problem of the lot, whichever form of protest which gets taken has got to be a united one or we will continue to achieve nothing, and sadly what we currently have is too many groups who are reading from different hymm sheets.

  • 174 Sazzer // May 29, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    Barca is planning to let Cristian Tello go.

    We can at least try to get him on loan.

    It would have been nice if it was one of those Spanish deals the club is said to be engineering.

  • 175 toonking // May 29, 2014 at 1:39 PM

    if ashley still wants to remain as owner i expect him to keep us in the premier league myself and it’s why i say myself that pardew will not be allowed to continue performing like he has since january.

    the point i make about relegation into league 1 is going of the point spoof thinks will make ashley sell the club “not that i expect it to work”, if ashley became fed up with the protesting and bad image we give his sports direct. so if he then decides he will sell the club and leave he will just think to himself why not get the parachute payment and all the money from the players and then just sell us for a cheap amaount and leave us where we don’t want to be.

  • 176 pawl250 // May 29, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    If it were me, I would buy 5 players and sell 4….


    Obertan – 1m – WASTE OF SPACE
    Ben Arfa – 5m – TROUBLE
    R Taylor – 500k – WASTE OF SPACE
    Marveuax – 1m – TROUBLE
    TOTAL 7.5m

    Siem De Jong – 7m
    Javier Hernandez – 9m
    Clement Grenier – 14m
    Georginio Wijnaldum – 9m
    Remy Cabella – 14m
    TOTAL 53m

    So you are talking 45m roughly to transform

    ————————- Krul ————————-
    Debuchy – Williamson – Coloccini – Dummett
    ——————- Tiote – Anita
    Sissoko ———— Shola ————- Gouffran
    ————————- Cisse

    Subs – Elliot, Mbiwa, STaylor, Sammy, Gosling, Armstrong, Luuk De Jong

    To THIS

    ———————– Krul ———————-
    Debuchy – Mbiwa – Coloccini – Santon
    ————– Sissoko – Tiote
    Wijnaldum —— Grenier ——– Cabella
    ——————– Hernandez

    Subs – Elliot, Williamson, STaylor, Anita, S De Jong, Gouffran, Cisse

  • 177 Lilongwe Geordie // May 29, 2014 at 2:05 PM

    He/They owns plenty.
    Current brands[edit]
    Field & Trek
    SheRunsHeRuns – internet and high street retail.
    European GOlf
    Previous brands[edit]
    Bike Clearance
    Gilesports – merged into
    Hargreaves Sports – merged into
    Original Shoe Company – sold to JJB Sports in December 2007.[31]
    Streetwise Sports – merged into
    Sports Soccer – merged into
    Sports World – merged into
    JJB Sports
    Umbro – sold to Nike in 2007.
    Clothing and equipment[edit]
    Hot Tuna
    Lee Cooper
    Miss Fiori
    No Fear (outside North America)
    Oppisite (Coming soon)
    Voodoo Dolls
    See also[edit]
    Dunlop (brands)

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