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No Newcastle Bid Yet For This Top Striker Target

9:33 am, Monday, June 16th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 113 Comments

Newcastle seem to have put in bids for two of their striker targets – 22 year-old Hertha Berlin striker Pierre-Michel Lasogga,  and long term target 28 tear-old Bafe Gomis – who is a free agent early next month.

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Alexandre Lacazette – no bid from Newcastle

Another striker Newcastle have been interested in for some time is young French striker Alexandre Lacazette of Lyon, but it doesn’t appear we have lodged a bid for him – at least not yet.

This is what Lyon President Jean Michel Aulas told the French press over the weekend:

“Offers for Alex? I don’t know.” “I met with him to discuss a possible extension of his contract which would see his salary increased.”

“At this stage, it’s not expected that he will leave the club.”

Aulas is not unlike Montpellier Chairman Louis Nicollin, and they both want to drive up the price of their players – that’s part of their job – to get the best money they can when they sell their players – so you have to take what they say with a sizable pinch of salt.

But Newcastle may have to pay out £10M to get Alexandre Lacazette, and that could be  a problem, because at least in the recent past we haven’t been willing to pay out that kind of money for any player.

Alexandre scored 23 goals in 46 appearances for Lyon and also had seven assists -m which is a good record for the 23 year-old..

Comments welcome.



Tags: Newcastle News · Transfer News and Rumours · Transfer Target



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113 responses so far ↓

  • 1 estechco // Jun 16, 2014 at 9:35 AM

    I know you can’t trust very much of what you read, but…

    Why do our key personnel always seem to take their holidays in the run up to or during the transfer window!?!

    Would early September not make significantly more sense?

  • 2 BenbulbenMag // Jun 16, 2014 at 9:37 AM

    Definitely, the first think Kinnear did when he was appointed was to take a holiday!

  • 3 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 16, 2014 at 9:38 AM

    “Offers for Alex? I don’t know.”

    Bit of an odd answer. There either have or haven’t been bids, and as Chairman and the man who would sign off on amy deal, you would think he would know one way or the other.

    Maybe preliminary discussions have been going on, but no formal offer?? (Not necessarily with us mind)

  • 4 Laurent Robert 32 // Jun 16, 2014 at 9:56 AM

    Slank, yes, I understand that as well. That it is off topic for them. So in the name of ‘professionalism’ maybe he shouldn’t have.

    With all the money flying about there now, it’s hard for it not to be directly related and commented upon.

    Once again, the poor man is left unheard.

  • 5 lesh // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:08 AM

    No bids? So wtf have we been doing in the last few weeks? Pathetic!

    And as a further sign of ambition, it looks as though Ronald Koeman’s about to join Southampton as Manager.

    Ah well, that makes them an even bigger club now, another one to chase

    But, phew, we’ve managed to fight off any interest in Pardew!!

  • 6 beermonkey // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    if no1 speaks how will any1 know the truth

    watch the pictures coming out of brazil mot would think its all sandy beaches and nice hotels and party atmosphere
    the truth is there are slums drug problems and high rates of gun crime most of it swept under the table while the worlds press is there

  • 7 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    lesh

    when Ed said “no bids” I believe that he was referring to Lacazette and the no bids comment wasn’t meant generally but just for that one player !!!!

  • 8 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    We have many problems of our own yet were we delighted to stage the olympics, in all honesty every country in the world has some issues which require money which the respective governments won’t or can’t give so does that mean that all international sporting events should not take place ?

  • 9 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:19 AM

    too many do-gooders !!!!

  • 10 JAMSHA // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:19 AM

    sad if the arfa news is true…. pardew needs to fk off the man has done nothng but still given chance dan any of our players given

  • 11 croftus5678 // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:19 AM

    out of the strikers linked i’d go for :

    pea (but “if” chelsea are in for him we have no chance)
    lacazette (worth the risk i think and would be a transfer that could be for 3 seasons and not hit it off straight away)
    gomis (short term straight into the squad player but he’s the one i’d say is suited)
    lassoga (the most unsure of all tbh looks like a championship striker by the way he plays and not convinced he will be a hit in the prem but i do hope i’m wrong if he does sign)

  • 12 lesh // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    Spoof, you’re most likely right and we have probably tabled silly offers – wasting time, money and further denigrating any credibility Newcastle United had.

    Lil you’re spot on about HBA’s talents suppressed by his personal demons. As you say though, the genius we’ve been luck to witness does offer a little comfort.

  • 13 ethiotoon // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    I think deserves that 10m.so as Grenier. go 15m for Clement and we land him,no doubt ..if we sign those three French stars,Grenier, cabella, & lacazatte ..we r in a dream land.think about the future guys,Newcastle officials if u read this…
    we won’t get this type of opportunity to sign this youngesters again next season,we should spend big now b/c we have the money and this is the time and they r wonderful players.

  • 14 jazzyp // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:22 AM

    After exclusive reports from BeIN Sports last night, Get French Football News understands that the club that Newcastle United attacking midfielder Hatem Ben Arfa is in with is Lekhwiya. The club, who are on the verge of agreeing a deal to take Michael Laudrup on as manager, are in advanced talks with Ben Arfa, who absolutely wants to leave Newcastle after receiving poor treatment from the staff, especially Alan Pardew, according to a source close to the player.

    Fee negotiations have begun between the two clubs and Ben Arfa is close to agreeing personal terms

  • 15 shearerno9 // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:23 AM

    http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2014/hatem-ben-arfa-in-advanced-talks-to-join-lekhwiya/

  • 16 croftus5678 // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    on arfa

    i dont blame pards or the club or coaching ect its his own attitude and the way he approaches the game with him trying to do everything himself and his moods.

    he’s a talent that could be one of the greats but he cant get into an under avg nufc team not because he’s not good enough but because he’s greedy and gives up when things dont go his way leaving us with effectively 10men.

    i’d still keep him though tbh as i cant help but hope he will realise and once the pressures off with a bit more quality around him maybe he will realise he doesnt have to do it all himself and become more like sterling.

  • 17 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:27 AM

    croftus

    I would agree with that and if given the choice Lasoggo or Gomis as a target man then I would go for Gomis, and as a secondary striker I would go for PEA ahead of Lacazette, however if we ended up with Lasoggo and Lacazette then I would still not complain as they would be more than what I expect, I just hope the two who we sign if we sign two are not Lasoggo and Gomis as they are similar types of player and I feel it would be better to have a variation.

  • 18 jazzyp // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    Spoof
    The daft thing is mate we could have Aubameyang and Lacazette for roughly what we got for cabs, Costing Nufc nothing.
    Why would we be offering Gomis a massive signing on fee just to sit him on the bench is my worry. I pray to god he aint gonna be our No1 forward next season

  • 19 jimmysmith // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    Worshipped by a howling, baying, white hot, capacity crowd of……. wait for it…….. 9000.

  • 20 JAMSHA // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    croftus5678

    i blame pardew for everytng… the twat wants him to defend aswell… jst like he screwd jonas he did the same with arfa an now soon gufo to follow

  • 21 croftus5678 // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    i’d go

    ——————krull——————-
    ———–colo——-willo————
    debs——————————sant
    ———–tiote—-colback———–
    —————-sisso——————-
    ——arfa—————perez———
    —————gomis——————-

    let debs and sant do our wing play.
    tiote and colback to help out our cb’s and break up anything in midfield.
    sissoko used as box to box that joins up attack and can break up play from higher up the pitch.
    arfa and perez as light frame but speedy and skillfull players that can hit on the break and can support and get in the box at every oppertunity.
    and gomis as the brute to bully the front line.

  • 22 JAMSHA // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    watch out wen our new singng turn out to be crap an play out of pos under pardew.. feel sory for any talented players comeng hea tryn to improve

  • 23 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:37 AM

    Pardew certainly has his faults but I do find it incredibly short sighted by those who blame him for Ben Arfa’s failings when Ben Arfa has failed all his career for every manager who he has played under, for the exact same reasons as to why he has failed for us, his attitude and his selfishness has always blighted his career and this cannot be blamed on anyone apart from himself, every manager he has had has tried to correct this problem of his but they have all failed, at times some people just cannot be helped and Hatem Ben Arfa is sadly one of those people, a flawed genius.

  • 24 jazzyp // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    Croftus
    If we were only to sign Gomis-Ginger-Perez then I think this would be a very poor window mate.
    I hope we have better players coming in this window than these 3

  • 25 Tsunki // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:40 AM

    watched Messi spend 90 minutes attempting to wind his way through the Bosnian defence and lose the ball many times. In the end it pays off and he scores a decent goal which is already hailed as ‘amazing’. Thing is, the Argentina team like Barca, are set up to accommodate the profligacy of his attacking threat.

    I am of the opinion that the coaching staff and Pardew ARE to blame for their inability to set up a defensive unit of any sort never mind one that could be built around a real threat from the frontof midfield. Instead they buy in, chew up, then spit out good young players. You watch and see if they dont continue to fudge about with good defensive players and coach the usefulness out of them with their crap positional ideas.

  • 26 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    jazzyp

    obviously that would be very good business, but I doubt it would be good enough for Ashley as I fear that he would be expecting some change from the Cabaye money, I don’t want to upset you but there doesn’t seem to be a long list of clubs lining up to give Gomis the wage he wants so he may be forced to re- evaluate his demands which would bring him into Ashley’s radar, he semms the most likely signing to me and with Gouffran who can play as a striker and with Armstrong and now Perez I would not be surprised if Pardew is told to make do with that lot.

  • 27 croftus5678 // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    @17 spoof

    yep agree

    @20 jamsha

    you have a fair point and imo players should be able to do there defensive duty’s to help the team and want to do them also not be told to do them ! but like you said guti used to be good going forward then (i’m guessing) pards asked him to put more defensive effort in and he went to pot upfront from that point (odd few games an exeption to be fair to him) and goofy i think is doing way too much defensive work like he has defence as his first priority which really does make him look bad when he’s a very good offensive player when in attack as we have seen.

    i cant say same for arfa though as its mostly when he’s attacking i have the problem with his attitude and teamwork not defensively apart from when he loses the ball and just gives up (which tbf pards has improved him)

  • 28 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    Tsunki

    ok for arguments sake we do accept that Ben Arfa has failed due to Pardew, but could you please explain why he has also failed with every other manager who he has played for as that cannot possibly be the fault of Pardew can it ?

  • 29 Pardews Prolific Boys // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    I see we’re linked with zwolle’s ryan thomas

  • 30 jazzyp // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    Spoof
    If that was to be the case pal than I see us only heading in one direction. Personally am still hoping on bigger and better targets being brought on board this summer.

  • 31 Tsunki // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:49 AM

    Sorry spoof but short sighted could apply to your reasoning why HBA has failed at NUFC. you havent even attempted to address the many factors involved in the team tactics, positioning and shape employed by Team Pards, pointing out Ben Arfa’s supposed self-destructive personality traits is selcetive because very few players of talent, in fact very few players have no ‘personality’ because it takes that kind of ego to push that bit further. Managers agree that many players need to be ‘handled’ correctly to nurture, not choke, the talent they have. And ‘ALL’ his career? you make him sound like an old man who is set in his ways, when he is actually still a young and teachable player. He’s by no means the perfect article, and his attitude may have ruffled some feathers, but there are far bigger gits out there that get more latitude, cause more off-field problems but are still steered to being great asssets for their teams.

  • 32 croftus5678 // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    @24 jazzyp

    imo if we signed those 3 we would be stood still from the overall position of last season cos i have to believe cisse will have a lot better form than he did last.

    but ofc we havent signed gomis yet dont forget lol so things could be worse then we expect come start of season and we could be forced to pick out of perez/cisse/goofy/campbell/armstrong.

  • 33 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    jazzyp

    I hope your not disappointed m8 I really do but all I see is this constant low balling offers policy which never succeed and as a result we will lose out on all of them, it doesn’t matter how much a player wants to join us, if another club offers a bigger transfer fee then we will not be signing him.

  • 34 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    Tsunki

    Sadly at times you just have to accept that some are as I said just a flawed genius.

    What you say about how to handle players and how to set a side up to get the best out of them is 100% correct, but seriously m8 if every manager has failed, and lets be realistic here, you may feel that Pardew hasn’t tried enough but do you seriously feel that all his other managers have also failed as Pardew has, if you wish to blame Pardew for Carlos Tevez then fine that would be a good case as Tevez done great under other managers but not Ben Arfa, he has never done well under any manager, sorry m8 but I seriously believe you are blaming the wrong guy here, if he does move on and does fulfill his potential then I will admit to being wrong, but I doubt that that will happen !

  • 35 Siremre5 // Jun 16, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    Sky Sports understands that Newcastle United are hoping to agree a deal for Hertha Berlin forward Pierre-Michel Lasogga this week, but their attempts to sign Bafetimbi Gomis have again hit the buffers over the player’s wage demands.

  • 36 jazzyp // Jun 16, 2014 at 11:09 AM

    Spoof
    I agree with this offering stupid money for players isn’t doing us any favour’s. But even Ashley’s not that daft to realise we can keep surviving on scraps before we end up down in the championship.
    Its looking favourite that Benny’s gone. So to for Mym. That’s 8 players gone from the start of last season till present, never mind who else we could potentially lose as well. Mashley no matter what, isn’t going to want to go down that route again so therefore is going to have to spend !!

  • 37 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 11:20 AM

    jazzyp

    I agree that Ashley would not want us to go down but think back to 2 years ago, we and Pardew were desperate for some signings as we had the Europa league fixtures to contend with but Ashley thought that we could get bye with what we had, it nearly cost him, so now after easily avoiding relegation with only one first choice player ( Cabaye ) being lost then he possibly feels that we will still have enough to stay up, who’s to say that Ashley is looking at Shola, MYM, Gosling and HBA as being simply just squad players and with Raylor being back and getting Colback and Perez then some of the squad players have been replaced, we can’t know for sure that that isn’t what he is thinking, scary if it is but it would not surprise me, not a tiny little bit.

  • 38 Slank // Jun 16, 2014 at 11:22 AM

    I don’t blame the club.

    Before Ben Arfa came to us he was seen, especially in France, as the l’enfant terrible of French football and such was his poor reputation that very few, if any, clubs would touch him.

    He seemed to have settled down and matured under Pardew’s guidance but something changed last season for which we don’t know. Rumours that all was not well especially his relationship with his fellow team mates and in particular the French contingent would appear to have an element of truth in it especially after recent comments from current French international players. Smoke and Fires?

  • 39 jazzyp // Jun 16, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    Slank
    I don’t think it was just last season mate. the season before I noticed how he seamed to lack match fitness, His weight had ballooned, and he just didn’t seem bothered.
    I hear people say that teams accommodate such talent in there sides, But unfortunately were not a Barcelona or a Real Madrid.
    We need 11 players on the pitch at all times that are committed to the cause and not just for there own agenda. I agree with everyone that he is a massive talent, but how many chances to we give him and how many seasons do we put up with him not showing up for games. Same goes for Cisse………again how long do nufc put up with a player that waltzes round the pitch as if he couldn’t give a flying toss

  • 40 theartfuldodger // Jun 16, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    I think we all missed Bettys post abt Ashley selling up in 2 weeks…
    (Ben-Arfa benzema thread)

    Anyways…on BenArfa..With a midfield of Tiote Anita Gosling Gouffran and then cisse shola…where the hell should he pass…will the pass make a difference…(sissoko out)..He has to either take a chance and try to take ppl on …or be safe,keep Pardew happy and make the short pass, resulting in a lob for shola to miscontrol or cisse to be offside…

  • 41 Slank // Jun 16, 2014 at 11:41 AM

    jazzyp @ 39

    I think teams like Barcelona or a Real Madrid.can accommodate such talent possibly because the Spanish league is not so frenetic and physical as the Premiership but in contradicting myself Messi always tries to win the ball back as do all the Barcelona forwards.

  • 42 Slank // Jun 16, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    jazzyp @ 39

    ‘Same goes for Cisse ‘

    I thought I heard the commentator in the Franch game say that Benzema recently went 1000 minutes without a goal.

    Hope yet for Cisse perhaps!

  • 43 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 16, 2014 at 11:50 AM

    It isn’t as clean cut as it being the fault of one or the other with HBA. Both Pardew and HBA have to share a portion of the blame here. Same stories keep recurring throughout his career, so he isn’t faultless, but at the same time he has been badly misused by Pardew.

    HBA has one last big contract in him, so it won’t be here. He will be 28 when his contract expires here, and more than anything the club don’t value him as much as he values himself. Therefore a contract is 99% definitely not going to be agreed.

    Maybe someone will still come in for him, but so far there has been little interest. We have to question why, if he truly is such a talented player.

  • 44 jazzyp // Jun 16, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    Slank
    I hope so pal. But my point is we can ill afford to keep carrying players because that is one reason that our form keeps suffering. every player has there dip in form as well as going through a purple patch. The trouble is that Cisse’s has been for 1 half seasons now. Same goes for benny. Ask yourself truly what has Ben arfa truly done to earn such high praise at Nufc apart from the odd majestic goal.If Cabella was to move here next season and proved a wonder hit, Then im sure Benny would become a distant memory.
    Losing player’s the calibre of Ba or Cabs has had a more detrimental affect on Nufc then Benny will ever have

  • 45 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 16, 2014 at 11:55 AM

    Slank,
    Benzema went 1000 minutes without an international goal. He was still scoring at club level.

  • 46 martoon // Jun 16, 2014 at 11:56 AM

    theartfuldodger @40 – I saw that and wondered how would Keegan know anything? Given the bitter dispute between Ashley & Keegan I doubt he would be privvy to such information.

  • 47 jazzyp // Jun 16, 2014 at 11:57 AM

    On a more positive note, Its nice to hear Schumacher has finally come out of his coma and has left hospital.

  • 48 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    LG

    I have to disagree with you there m8, if it was equal in terms of blame between HBA and Pardew then we must equally blame other managers as well, some of whom are international managers, too much of a coincidence do you not think, international managers who have gotten many players too perform very well have all failed with HBA, we all have to fend for ourselves and do what we need to do to succeed or even just to survive, we cannot use others as being our scape goat which is what some are doing for HBA, they are using Pardew as his scapegoat when it is clearly of his own doing, you have too be responsible for yourself and for your actions, and sadly as talented as he is he has failed himself.

  • 49 jazzyp // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    Spoof
    Cracking post buddy…….Bang on !!

  • 50 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:03 PM

    jazzyp

    cheers m8.

  • 51 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:07 PM

    Spoof,
    Why can’t it be both parties faults, although I never mentioned it being a 50/50 split. I’m sorry, but it is incredibly blinkered to think fault shouldn’t be apportioned to both parties. Pardew has used HBA as a scapegoat, has used him badly, particularly in recent months. So is culpable in this shambles. Just cause other managers have failed with him as well doesn’t mean Pardew shouldn’t take some of the blame.

    However, I completely agree that HBA is not an innocent party. He has fallen out with management and teammates everywhere he has been. He has admitted his attitude problems.

    Personally, I won’t shed any tears when he leaves as I don’t think he is all that. Incredibly talented, but lacks football intelligence and has problems with his attitude. Incredibly sad that he hasn’t had the career his natural talent deserved, but as Benzema alludes to, he has none to blame but himself.

  • 52 Thump // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    No news on NUFCFan’s signing, then? Shocker.

  • 53 Belfast // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    I think he’d be better of going to Liverpool if possible tbh.
    Think he’d fit in well with the way they play.

    It’s a shame because if he was used properly he could be very good.

  • 54 the truth will out // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:15 PM

    keegan may have received the info from the third party

  • 55 jazzyp // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:17 PM

    Belfast
    I know it might be selfish but would sooner an outgoing player move abroad rather than move to another club in the PL.
    You at some point there going to come back and bite you in the ass .

  • 56 Belfast // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    Thump those tubes at nufc fans only say these things so people click on their website. Frauds they are.

  • 57 Thump // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:21 PM

    I know, Belfast. It’s just funny how many people on here jumped to believe.

  • 58 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:22 PM

    LG

    it can be the fault of both but I don’t think it is, Pardew was to blame for Tevez, not playing him and then playing him out of position, I also think that Sissoko has been poor for us but again I blame Pardew for that, how many times have we seen him as a holding midfielder, but the difference between Tevez and Sissoko compared to HBA is that the other two have proved consistently what they are capable of when getting handled differently, HBA hasn’t which to me makes it the sole fault of his own, players such as Messi and Ronaldo, and I include HBA in their bracket ( natural ability wise ) should have teams built around them, but they still have to earn the right for that to happen, it is never just given to you and both Messi and Ronaldo have that luxury because they earned it, HBA hasn’t and that cannot be blamed on Pardew or any other manager for that matter, that is solely down to the individual.

  • 59 Belfast // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:22 PM

    Obviously I wouldn’t like to see him playing for another premier league team, because I’m a selfish swine lol

    But that would be a good move for him.

  • 60 JamesToon // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    I don’t know much about Lassoga other than his 13 in 20 goalscoring record, and from what i’ve heard, he isn’t quick, he isn’t a target man, so what is he a poacher? sounds like a Cisse or Bent.

    Aubameyang and Lacazette would be a mouth watering partnership and if reports are true then 16.5mil for both is a bargain!

    And for a cabaye replacement, we need BOTH Cabella and Grenier, so if one gets injured the other can step in so we’re not screwed like we were with cabaye.

    I’d be so happy if this was our lineup for next season:

    Krul
    Debuchy Richards Caulker Haidara
    Zaha Grenier Tiote Cabella
    PEA Lacazette
    Bench: Elliot Williamson Raylor Sissoko Colback Niang Cisse/Perez

  • 61 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    Spoof,
    Pardew played Tevez, just like he played Mascherano. Pardew left Tevez out just 3 times, 2 of those resulted in 2 of just 3 wins under Pardew that season. Curbishley left him out more, 6 times. It wasn’t until 5 appearances and 11 games later that he got his first goal and assist.

    It could also be said he was adjusting to the league, if I felt like sticking up for Pardew and that held him back initially, which wasn’t Pardew’s fault.

    Tevez labels the problems as him being played out of position and asked to do defensive work that he isn’t accustomed to. I’d argue that we are seeing the same issues hamper HBA. I’m not sticking up for HBA, as many on here will testify, I am nowhere near his number one fan but he has also been misused by Pardew, and that has hampered his ability to perform.

    At the end of it though, I do agree with you, he isn’t what he is cracked up to be, and it won’t be as dark a day on Tyneside when he leaves as some on here seem to think. I said on here last year, I would have got rid f him lat summer when there were rumours of big bids. I can only assume that none ever actually happened, and it was more likely his agent trying to get an improved contract.

  • 62 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    Belfast,
    I think if he went to Liverpool he would be a cameo player. Would probably end up sharing lambert’s pie and a pint every match on the bench.

  • 63 theartfuldodger // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    martoon,

    Yeah…made no sense..

    Just like our monday signing ;-)

  • 64 croftus5678 // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:54 PM

    with the right sorts of bloggers online (like now) this blog is one of the best i’ve ever been on.

    theres no argueing just a difference of opinion and different ways of viewing things but you get the feeling everything is pleasant and that we are all pulling for the good of our club and that no one is name calling or trying to wind others up.

    i’m proud to be a toon fan today guys and thats purely down to yourselves atm i’ll be going to work with a smile on my face even though it may only be around the corner for my next upset with our club lol.

  • 65 Ancientcoptic // Jun 16, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    Ben Arfa won FOUR ligue 1 titles with Lyon… to say he has always been a problem is complete rubbish.

  • 66 Ancientcoptic // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:00 PM

    Why would Ben Arfa play 30 games in his last season at Lyon, winning a title.

    Why would he play 33 then 29 games in his first 2 seasons with Marseille, if as some point out, he is a player that has ‘always’ had problems in the past under every manager.

  • 67 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:09 PM

    Ancient,
    He may have played in 30, but he only started 13, and was left out of 6 matches altogether. Hardly integral. IF you look past the stats there are all sorts of things pointing to his bad attitude and trouble maker reputation.

  • 68 Williamson is Bramble in disguise // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:12 PM

    What a load of absolute pollocks! its not Ben Arfa’s fault we lost 6 games in a row, or had a bad season, or that we were shocking last season, or that we set up stupidly and play players out of position!

    This was just one of Pardews excuses when the heat was on to deflect detention from himself, and whatever people say about him losing the ball, we do better when he’s in the team, and im pretty sure we would have done better towards the end of last season had he been in the team ahead of shola or gosling etc. Despite Pardew ‘setting up to win’.

    The other problem on Pardews part, is when you are playing Benny on the right wing in a defensive 4-4-2, or 4-5-1, where you need the winger to support the fullback, and you know Benny cant defend, why do you play him there and set up that way arguably wasting your best players talents? Why not start him up top ahead of Cisse, De Jong or Shola? I’d put money on him scoring more than all 3 put together, or play him in the hole in his natural position.

    It comes down to Pardews ego, his inability to change tactics despite having no shape and losing a seasons worth of games in 2 and not being able to score, he plays players all over the pitch, we look like a schoolboy team who don’t press or move into space, he had Benny playing well when we finished 5th, infact I doubt we would of finished 5th if it wasn’t for Benny, and that 4-3-3 Pardew refuses to go back to. So don’t forget, Pardews fallen out with players everywhere he’s been too, and using Benny as a scapegoat for his inept defensive approach is discusting and a shame for our club as in my opinion hes the best player ive seen here since Robert/Shearer and the Robson days.

  • 69 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:13 PM

    Croftus,
    Yeah, it is a much nicer place to be when you can actually have conversations without insults creeping in.

  • 70 Tsunki // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    Spoof – i’m not just disagreeing with you for the sake of it, but when you say ‘every other manager ‘ you make out that there’s been more than two of three if you count international managers. During this time he has also played at all levels internationally and picked up a few players awards. I know he’s flawed, but I am saying that Pardew like many other managers has no ability to use such a player properly, only a few good managers in reality do, I’ll concede that. He may well bounce over many teams before quitting, but if he gets a decent coaching setup he will be a very good player. He may be petulant, but aggravating that with stone age playing ideas from camp Pards and the 80’s hoof ball coaches will only ignite frustration. This is a player who really took to the club and fans and wanted to do his bit, a wasted resource imho.

  • 71 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    Williamson is Bramble in disguise,
    Actually, our best run of form last season coincided with HBA being dropped.

  • 72 Williamson is Bramble in disguise // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:15 PM

    Maybe he’s just a person who won’t accept being blamed publicly for the team losing, and for the teams poor form, afterall, its a team game, its not like he’s playing goalie! and he’s been nowhere near as sh1te as the wonderful glorious captain colo!

  • 73 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:18 PM

    He did try Ben Arfa as the focal point of attack twice. The lad was awful each time.

  • 74 Slank // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:18 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie @ 45

    ‘Benzema went 1000 minutes without an international goal. He was still scoring at club level’

    Thanks for the clarification.

  • 75 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:19 PM

    LG

    well that’s me well and truly told, I should know better than to listen to others about Tevez not playing and just accept it as being correct, thank you for correcting me and I do apolgise for getting it so wrong ( shame Pardew can’t apologise like that at times), but I am sure that you get the point which I was trying to make.

    Has HBA been badly used though, don’t forget that he had a broken leg when Pardew signed and he missed that season, the second season we came 5th but that was his first season and we all know that some players do need to adjust to the league as you quite rightly mentioned earlier, perhaps that was the reason why he didn’t feature that much before Christmas, that and another injury sustained in pre-season and only became prominent after the new year when he was awesome in a 4-3-3 with Ba and Cisse, at that point I thought Pardew had cracked the HBA enigma, he done so well in got into the Euro 2012 squad where he disgraced himself and from that point onward’s he has never got back to the heights which he had for that brief period, to me it looks as if he had a goal for France which brought the best out of him, but he blew it and has not recovered from it and has been a shadow of himself since.

    I realise that you are not defending HBA as you make abundantly clear, but the aspect of your view which I disagreed with was how you suggested that Pardew could be partly responsible as well, I accept that we all view things differently but for a while under Pardew he probably had the most consistent run of his entire career but then the demons returned and we are back to square one with him, but I can’t see how we can blame Pardew for what happened. There is only so much a manager can do, after all he is a manager and not a psychologist.

    But again I do apologise for the Tevez statement which I clearly got wrong, no doubt you enjoyed embarrassing me lol,

  • 76 Tsunki // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    Good point croftus. I admit that I have had my mind changed by well – stated views to the contrary it’s all good when it’s debate not argument. Being troll – free helps as well ;)

  • 77 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:25 PM

    Tsunki

    you may be right but you may be wrong, time will tell, but it does sound as if your more concerned with Pardew’s inability rather than HBA’s failing’s ? which could lead to a slightly biased view of why Benny has not succeeded for us !

  • 78 Tsunki // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM

    It’s probably a good touchstone to ponder how well HBA would have fared under say Keegan or SBR.

  • 79 Ancientcoptic // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:27 PM

    Players in Ligue 1 getting into squabbles is not a rarity…. it is French Football.

    Has Ben Arfa had a poorer attitude than any of our other players, has he caused trouble? I do not remember any examples of Ben Arfa proving a problem, it is all rumour and speculation… a bit like that time he came back from injury and it took him 2 weeks to get back into shape, you still have people on this blog talking about him like he is overweight, when all you have to do it look at him to see he is in shape.

    Ben Arfa’s statement in the media towards the end of the season, gives an idea of what his attitude is like.

    I have never seen him get into altercations, spitting, swearing, berating other players for not passing, stamping, show disinterest or any other negative attitude associated qualities on the pitch.

    He has not attacked the manager and has merely made his case that he wants to play more and loves the club.

    What is the problem here exactly?

    He had a few spats in the past with fellow French players; therefore obviously he is at fault for his current situation – being out of the side?

    Ben Arfa clearly wants to play, and has proven he has a good attitude on the pitch. (I would like to see ‘evidence’ to the contrary if there is any)

  • 80 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:27 PM

    Spoof,
    No, it was never my intention to embarrass you. You were just the first one to mention him after I got sick of people continually using Tevez and Mascherano to bash Pardew with. Apologies if it came across in any way to belittle you.

    As for our discussion, I agree that HBA has hit the self destruct himself. I feel Pardew asks too much of him in terms of tracking back. I’d love HBA to work harder, but would not want him tracking back too much. We play more often with 2 defensive midfielders, and they should be looking to protect the full backs. HBA should be pressing high up, where, if he wins it, he can hurt the opposition.

    If HBA wins it very deep it is almost impossible for him to have an impact. For me, this is a misuse of his ability, and will hit his confidence. He is a confidence player, and it is no real shock that his best spell for us in terms of attitude was when he was brimming with confidence. I think the tracking back has knocked the stuffing out of him a bit and has hastened his pressing of the self destruct button. This for me is where I feel Pardew is culpable and should take some of the blame.

  • 81 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:30 PM

    @64 @69 and @76

    your all a bunch of half witted numpty’s, sorry I couldn’t resist lol.

    On a serious note I totally agree, it’s how it should always be !

  • 82 Ancientcoptic // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    “Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:18 PM

    He did try Ben Arfa as the focal point of attack twice. The lad was awful each time.”

    If I am not mistaken, Ben Arfa scored in one of those games, in the other game we were down 10 men, so Ben Arfa was chasing shadows.

    1 goal in 2 games up front isn’t bad for a player switched to play in that position… maybe a longer run of 2 games would have proven more than relying on Shola to not score.

  • 83 Tsunki // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    Spoof yes it’s only time and our performances under the next crop of players that will really show what the problems are. I guess you are right I am concerned more about Pardew as the probable cause, players come and go and we have to be philosophical about what might have been, but I do think Pardew has a real job on his hands to prove it’s not his tutelage that is causing us real problems
    It’s by no means just HBA. Look at the decline of Jonas, Mbiwa, Sissoko and Gouffran have settled into workmanlike roles after flying starts, Haidara looks like he is being held back, Santon has improved very little, the list goes on. We can’t keep moaning on about players not fulfilling potential all the time, eventually the finger of blame has to point elsewhere

  • 84 TorqToon // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    Afternoon gents. Have we announced this ‘monday signing’ yet? Or is it just linked with name after name. Good old Newcastle!

    If the HBA news is right, then whilst it’s a shame, nobody can say that he has deserved to keep his place in the team this Season. Although other factors have clearly played a part.

    Hope we are all well.

  • 85 LGFUAD21 // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    Out of all of the strikers we have been linked with this is the one that excites me.

    Sure PEA is good but do you really think he’d make that step down from CL with Dortmund to us. He’ll go to Spurs if any English club. At least they try for Europe.

    Lassogga looks decent and is very young but he is very similar to Cisse. Fouls a lot, gets fouled. Not great at keeping the ball. I’d have him because he can clearly score goals if played to his strengths but I would worry that it wouldnt work with our players (we’d need to get some people that can deliver good balls into him).

    This guy though. He oozes class. Creates his own chances. Is very strong on the ball and him and Gomis link up really well at Lyon. He would be an ideal partner for Cisse.

  • 86 Slank // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    Ancientcoptic @ 79

    Yes in public Ben Arfa has never been a problem to the club unlike so many others.

  • 87 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:41 PM

    Ancient,
    In my memory it was Liverpool and Sunderland. He didn’t score in either of those, but when I think back Remy played against Sunderland so maybe it was only once, and yes we were down to ten, but he disappeared, in those situations you look to him to hold the ball up. Anyway, which game are you thinking of where he played up front and scored?

  • 88 Ancientcoptic // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    TorqToon “If the HBA news is right, then whilst it’s a shame, nobody can say that he has deserved to keep his place in the team this Season.”

    And which players in the last 21 league games of the season ‘did’ deserve to keep their place in the team? or is just special circumstances for Ben Arfa?

  • 89 Tsunki // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:46 PM

    In another month we will be ready to wail about another under performing team.

  • 90 beermonkey // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:48 PM

    will strolla get a start tonight
    and will he score against the mighty footballing nation of iran

  • 91 welshgeordie9 // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:51 PM

    where’s my 3rd signing

  • 92 theartfuldodger // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:52 PM

    So many arguments jst for Benny shd defend more or not…

    Sissoko and Gouffran defended a lot towards season end…and both looked pants…

    Anyways..how can we judge players when our team has a different attacking plyrs every 6 months…trend shows attackers reducing…

  • 93 jazzyp // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:52 PM

    Ancientcoptic
    I don’t think Benny has anybody but himself to blame for most part of his career mate. Even his dad in Ben arfa’s earlier days questioned his own son’s attitude and lifestyle.
    I agree its nice to hear a player come out and say he doesn’t want to leave and is committed to the cause, But ask yourself if he is such a talent how come no major club has come in for his services as they have done for Cabs of late. How many seasons can you give a player to finally shine or not as in benny’s case.
    Yes he’s a bums off seat exciting player, Something we don’t really have. But for me I see a player who frustrates you more at Sjp than any other we have at our club

  • 94 welshgeordie9 // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:53 PM

    and I’m still in the lead where’s Geordie Two, I hope he’s in a good mood

    Ha ha ha

  • 95 Ancientcoptic // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:54 PM

    I must have been mistaken about Ben Arfa getting a goal from the strikers role, I do however remember him playing good in the first game in that role, only for him to be bashed and dropped from the striking role after his 2nd game there, which is typically premature of how the team is run… Shola then comes in and is relied on – with Ben Arfa’s chance at playing as a striker relegated to not even 2 full games. (Getting slated for not playing well as a striker in a 10 man team – in a position he was not allowed to get accustomed to says it all)

  • 96 jazzyp // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:54 PM

    Beermonkey
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=748656988519327&set=a.594760173909010.1073741826.188861674498864&type=1&relevant_count=1

  • 97 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:54 PM

    LG

    I know you well enough from your posting’s to know that you would not try to embarrass, but if I’m wrong I prefer to admit it and then continue in a decent manner rather than dig my heels in for the sake of it, actually you have probably done me a favour as it is a point which I will remember and undoubtedly use to my advantage at some point.

    However, there has been a point which I have queried against which you have also brought up, it’s this expected tracking back, has Pardew actually said he has got to track back and become an auxiliary fullback or has he only said that he needs to work harder which has been picked up my fans as meaning the fullback senario, I can’t recall the actual information given to HBA, possibly it never was and we have just assumed, but I could be wrong, there is a point to this and the point is that in my opinion Peter Beardsley was the best defender KK had in the entertainers team yet he never played fullback but he would chase down defenders and make them hurry their passes and then if the midfielders would do like wise by chasing down then the defense had an enormous amount of protection, its what Barcelona do so well, as daft as it seems Messi is a godsend for the defense as he hurries their opponents, if HBA would do likewise then he may have had a blistering career, but it comes back to what I said earlier, you have to work for it, as it will not be given to you.

  • 98 Tsunki // Jun 16, 2014 at 1:59 PM

    I think it’s not just HBA that has been given a shuffle round in too many cameos, Mbiwa has been cobbled and so has Haidara and even Anita to an extent. It’s been painful to watch such talents eroded by pardew messing around with the team like a spoiled child. I guarantee that a half clued modern schooled tactical manager would get better out of our squad.

  • 99 beermonkey // Jun 16, 2014 at 2:00 PM

    jazzy

    cheers like that it made me chuckle
    I might bet on him to score first tonight

  • 100 lesh // Jun 16, 2014 at 2:02 PM

    welshgeordie9…

    Where’s your third signing?

    Better ask cwarr…. If you can wake him from his fantasies!

  • 101 Tsunki // Jun 16, 2014 at 2:03 PM

    It’d a fair point that HBA just can’t tackle. If he did at least harry players he could force more errors, but having said that the entire team didn’t exactly set a dying example on that did they? :(

  • 102 Ancientcoptic // Jun 16, 2014 at 2:03 PM

    Ben Arfa’s earlier days have nothing to do with his current situation. How he conducts himself at Newcastle is all that matters to our club.

    If you want to believe Ben Arfa is overweight or is a troublemaker at our club, then that is up to you to believe.

    If you do not think he is good enough to be in our side, again, that is your decision to make.

    I will quite outrightly disagree with you.

    I personally cannot understand how anybody could think Ben Arfa isn’t good enough to get in a side that was starting the likes of Gosling, Anita and Ameobi… not to mention the lethargic and disinterested form of Gouffran.

  • 103 Tsunki // Jun 16, 2014 at 2:03 PM

    Dying somehow = shining. Hmm.

  • 104 Unbelievable Tekkers // Jun 16, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    Afternoon Torq how are you?

    I agree with your thoughts on Ben Arfa at the end of the day only him and him alone can be the one to blame for not fulfilling his potential. He clearly doesn’t have the burning desire deep down to become the best as he would already be up there with Europe’s elite if he did. Any news on your end regarding transfers?

  • 105 Mister Tuff // Jun 16, 2014 at 2:06 PM

    For the life of me I just cannot see Benny wanting to go to some desert backwater/tumbleweed town in Qatar to play for a team nobody has ever heard of. Folks who go to such places are after the big pay off from the football corrupt Qataris. He will want to display his skills in front of an appreciative audience. I could quite imagine Benny being a bit cocky -viz the video at Clairefontaine when he was about 14 and another player was after beating him up. He is the most skilfull player at the club, he is a crap defender -he cannot even tackle properly -however he can do things with a ball others can only dream of -that in itself could bread a bit of jealousy from the less able in the dressing room.
    As from playing him at centre forward -he is no centre forward -I recall one occasion (cannot remmber the other) -he was returning from a long term injury and Percy played him at centre forward on a plastic pitch, in winter in bloody Ukraine or somewhere similar. Cannot blame him for that. I would imagine being Benny at the Toon is difficult -he will have a desire to attack -whereas others will have a mentality to go backwards/sideways and not over commit/get ahead of the ball -thus exposing the defence. He surely must think sometimes there is no benfit in passing to player X -I might as well try myself. Percy has to accommodate Benny if at all possible.

  • 106 TorqToon // Jun 16, 2014 at 2:07 PM

    Ancient – Probably only a few. HBA’s case isn’t helped by the fact that he is probably our most technically gifted player, but simply doesn’t show that on a regular enough occasion. Maybe he thinks he deserve’s a guaranteed place? Maybe more money? I don’t know. But if he is as good as some think on here, it world class, then he would be first name on the team sheet, and IF we are looking to sell him, the biggest clubs in Europe would be queued up for him.

    I hope he stays, but with the right attitude.

  • 107 Ancientcoptic // Jun 16, 2014 at 2:07 PM

    I have to get busy. I am done ranting in defense of Ben Arfa for now. Adios.

  • 108 welshgeordie9 // Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM

    Are we after another goalkeeper, apparently man city second goal keeper was at newcastle airport

    Probably nothing

  • 109 Lilongwe Geordie // Jun 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM

    Spoof,
    I have never heard the words come from Pardew, HBA’s or Carvers’s mouths, but I have seen both Pardew and Carver gesticulating from the sidelines to get him to chase back. I’m fairly certain Pardew has said something about him not offering enough protection to the full back though – not 100% on that.

    I agree with you on Beardo, he would tirelessly chase defenders, and in doing so created opportunities. HBA doesn’t, whether by instruction or choice. It is frustrating, and is a problem with him.

    I can see why people want him to stay, but at the same time I don’t see him being consistently better at this club, with a new manager, or elsewhere. I think he is what he is, talented but problematic, and that is why there hasn’t been much interest so far. I expect as clubs miss out on other targets he may become a wanted man though.

  • 110 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 16, 2014 at 2:15 PM

    I’ve just seen an article on the news about a robot revolution. I think we need to look at this situation for sure. I’ll be speaking to Lee Charnley and our scouting team to see if we can explore the robot scenario because this football club needs to be at the forefront of new developments, 100%.

    It’s no secret that we have had problems with certain temperaments and it perhaps explains some difficult results for us a little bit. I know Mike, who has been terrific for this football club, hasn’t been happy with certain scenarios involving players not wanting to play so as to avoid injuries and arguing in the dressing room about tactics.

    Science has been against us in the past if I’m honest and that’s something we’ve been working hard on to put into reverse mode. But we need to educate our fans a little bit that robots don’t come cheap for sure.

  • 111 Black and White with an army lol // Jun 16, 2014 at 2:16 PM

    this makes me laugh when people slate HBA because he doesn’t track back.

    take Sterling for example against Italy he was a threat and never tracked back, he has the flair to run past defenders and get into dangerous areas but hey wait a minute HBA does the same thing if not better and he gets slated for it.

    I think this shows Pardew and the other pathetic coaches know f@ck all how to use him, if it was any team HBA would be a world beater and no doubt Madrid would of purchased him for silly money by now

  • 112 LGFUAD21 // Jun 16, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    Mister Tuff

    That was Diaby trying to get him

  • 113 Spoof // Jun 16, 2014 at 2:26 PM

    Tsunki@83

    yes but at the same time when injury free Steven Taylor got into the England squad, Cabaye improved beyond all recognition, Demba Ba had his best days with us, Mike Williamson even though he is not good is a hell of a lot better than what he was before Pardew, Danny Simpson was doing very well but now you never here of him, Danny Guthrie was doing so well under Pardew that he left hoping to enhance his career, where is he now, yes Cisse, MYM and whoever else you wish to mention have not improved and possibly gone backwards, but some have improved as well.

    I was told ( can’t prove it, wish I could ) that when Pardew took over our squad was worth £126m but since he came we have sold £45m worth of talent compared to what we have bought so by rights our squad should be worth if all things were equal £81m, apparently its worth £135m, so if Pardew is so destructive then how has he improved the squad by £54m, as I say I dont have these figures as they were told to me, but you look them up and I can tell you now that although these figures may be wrong they will still show that Pardew has brought the squad on !




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