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Mike Ashley Turns Down His Own Huge Bonus Scheme

8:11 am, Wednesday, July 16th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 290 Comments

Mike Ashley, the owner of Newcastle United and founder of sporting goods retailer Sports Direct, has turned down his allocation of the company’s £200M bonus share scheme, after shareholders had controversially approved that proposal recently.

mike ashley cointemplating

Mike Ashley – who needs £200M?
Answer – Newcastle United

And Mike has told the Sports Direct Board that he doesn’t want any more share-based incentives to be proposed to the shareholders that include any bonuses for himself.

Ashley is worth around £3.5B in the latest Forbes Billionaire’s ranking, and he owns the majority stake in the company he founded – Mike still owns 58% of Sports Direct.

He doesn’t receive any wages from the company, but of course with the share price of Sports Direct continuing to rise because of excellent financial results – that’s what has fueled his rising net worth over the last few years.

This is what Sports Direct Chairman Keith Hellawell has said:

“The resolution passed by shareholders to implement the 2015 bonus share scheme clearly recognizes the success of previous company-wide schemes, and the significant contribution from Mike.”

“Following recent unhelpful speculation surrounding his potential allocation, he is determined to ensure that there is the maximum number of shares available for the eligible employees.”

That’s a very good move by Mike Ashley to eliminate himself from any future share-based incentives – and other employees of the company will now benefit from those future schemes

Sports Direct is due to report its full-year results tomorrow – and they are expected to be good.

And as for Newcastle United, we would estimate the club will have revenues of around £135M and profits of over £50M for the financial year that ended at the end of last month, and those will be record revenues and profits for the Tyneside club.

Hopefully we’ll spend quite a bit of those profits over the summer in strengthening the squad.

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290 responses so far ↓

  • 1 spitfire_ // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:17 AM

    Who gives a sh!t about this pr!ck?

  • 2 Average_Contents // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:21 AM

    Awwwwww isn’t he nice letting his employees share it between themselves….he can obviously get some dosh from one of his other businesses! Any ideas 😉

  • 3 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:24 AM

    I think the issue with Guttierrez is that, as reported last season, if he makes another appearance then it automatically triggers an extension to his contract on the same wages. I guess the club are unwilling for that to happen, and don’t want to extend at all given his age and waning abilities.

  • 4 Slank // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:25 AM


    This ‘news’ has nothing to do with Newcastle United.

    If our next owner is Chinese and owns The Imperial Guangzhou Chicken Corporation will you be giving us regular updates on egg production, the latest hen insemination techniques and the worldwide price of chicken wings?

  • 5 Santon03 // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:30 AM


    Then good luck and thank you Jonas, I really like the guy.
    I really hope we can off load Marv and Obertan.

  • 6 Graeme // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:30 AM

    As long as he gets 2 proper strikers and a CB into the club by the end of August – thats all that matters lol

  • 7 one Tony Green // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:31 AM

    Ed change the record will you. One minute you are slagging off Ashley the next your waxing lyrical. Who gives a monkey’s about SD shares. You make a living by running this site.
    It is no wonder our fans are a delusional laughing stock. Ashley owns NUFC so he can do with it what he likes. The Glazer’s have taken 150 million each year out of Man United and leveraged the buy in via debt. We never have or ever will be as big as Man United or have the same fan base. Leeds were raped as were Portsmouth.
    Get behind the lads FFS.

  • 8 Santon03 // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:34 AM

    one tony

    It’s his blog, he gives info to us. You don’t like the info then please don’t attack Ed.

  • 9 deeps // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:37 AM

    Guys when will Janmaat be unveiled??…

  • 10 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:37 AM


    if Ashley can do what he wants with “his” club, then surely Ed can do what he wants with his blog !!!!!!

  • 11 G // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:37 AM

    OTG, given it’s a wordpress blog, I doubt Ed makes much money, if any at all from this. Hardly what I’d call making a living.

  • 12 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:38 AM


    he might not sign yet ?

  • 13 Slank // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:40 AM

    I listened to Peter Kay and Paddy McGuinness commenting on last nights match and they kept referring to Gutierrez but I’m sure it wasn’t him but Ayoze Perez. Is this correct?

    Did anyone see the match as Rolando Aarons was mentioned many times but I can’t recall Armstrong being mentioned and had to see the team sheet to check ?

  • 14 deeps // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:43 AM


    I read in the northern Echo that Janmaat has completed his move and then flew back to Holland . Looks like everything is sorted out..The club will announce his signing later today.

  • 15 ethiotoon // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:43 AM

    Preseason does matter to is something to measure how fit you are and
    How well you gonna coup with EPL.
    Now we signed 90% of our targets. which means we r 90,% ready for the new SSN
    New arrivals may be available in our trip to far so good in transfers.
    I don’t wanna hear about what bonus Ashley gets or what his company gets
    What does matter to me is our result on the pitch whether it is friendly or something else.
    Just take friendlies seriously pardy

  • 16 firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:44 AM

    From previous thread, Rudy Raba is not the agent for Riviere, his agents are Mondial Sport Management & Consulting Sarl. Rudy represents:

    Younes KABOUL
    Stéphane SESSÈGNON
    Bocindji CA Nantes
    Franck DJA DJEDJE
    Adel TAARABT
    Dorian DERVITE
    Vassiriki DIABY
    Matthias LEPILLER

    This is from Soccer associations Agents.

    It could be that Rudy is here to do business down the road but like to stop in Newcastle.

  • 17 G // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:46 AM

    Slank, never saw the match, was busy visiting relative in hospital, but according to .com, here is last nights team:

    Team: Alnwick, Anita (Satka 54), Dummett (Bigirimana 70), S.Taylor (Streete 63), Yanga-Mbiwa, Colback, Aarons (Haidara 63), Armstrong (Perez 54), De Jong (Vuckic 63), Gouffran (Ameobi 46), Abeid.
    Sub n/u: Woodman.

  • 18 Slank // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:46 AM


    Yes I agree that Ed can write what he wants as he ‘owns’ it but I do sympathize with Tony as the article is not really relevant to Newcastle United.

    If it said that Ashley was going to ‘..eliminate himself from any future share-based incentives…’ and instead take money out of Newcastle United then that would be an entirely different matter.

  • 19 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:48 AM


    I read that as well, seems a bit odd though doesn’t it, he if has already signed then why not do the photo shoot and make it public, why announce when he is back home in a foreign country, I can’t work that one out, if there is still one or two minor issues to sort out then how can he sign the contract when he is not even in the country ?

  • 20 Santon03 // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:49 AM


    yes, it’s possible that his business with sunderland, just staying where the hotels don’t have rats 🙂

  • 21 lesh // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:50 AM

    one Tony Green, maybe you should take Santon03’s advice and roger accept Ed’s right to post what he wants or subscribe to a site that that suits you.

    There’re any amount out there and I’m sure you’ll find one that might suit you and keep you up to date.

  • 22 one Tony Green // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:52 AM

    Santon 03 NUFC is Mike Ashely’s club so using your analogy we should not criticise him. Grow up I have no interest in what Ashley does outside of NUFC and attempting to talk about a subject few on here ( and i include myself ) fully understand is ridiculous.

  • 23 firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:53 AM


    I wasn’t going to say that out loud though, I’m surrounded by Makems where I live and I like my windows just as they are…..fully glazed. lol

  • 24 Santon03 // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:53 AM


    I saw a picture of Janmaat holding NUFC shirt with pardew. Was it photo edit? I didn’t read the topic just saw the picture in this blog.

  • 25 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:54 AM

    Agents don’t just work with their clients though. They can have be given mandates from players who aren’t represented by them, or they can be given mandates by clubs to broker other deals.

    If it is true that he is here and his stay is being paid for by NUFC then I’d expect him to be working as a middle man for either a player or a club. Interestingly it appears he has done quite a bit of work with Nantes Atlantique, who are the club that approached NUFC for Marveaux back in January.

  • 26 Santon03 // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:54 AM

    LOL Firebug

  • 27 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:55 AM


    the chances are he has signed but it just seems a strange way to go about things ?

  • 28 Slank // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:55 AM

    Could one of the reasons why Janmaat hasn’t been unveiled yet is that the other end of the transaction between Debuchy and Arsenal hasn’t been finalised.

    I don’t see anything suspicious in it.

  • 29 lesh // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:56 AM

    * should take Santon03?s advice and roger accept….

    Roger? Phone’s not yet awake!

  • 30 deeps // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:57 AM

    May be the club wil officially confirm Janmaat signing along with Riviere’s signing 😀

  • 31 Novocastrian66 // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:57 AM

    Hoodrat said Newcastle United were paying the bill for this Rudy Raba.

  • 32 firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:57 AM

    The pictures of Pardrew and Janmaat would have been done early because Pardrew had to get to Oldham for the match, that makes sense. Janmaat will be unveiled today most likely alongside Riviere. One can always hope anyway.

  • 33 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:58 AM

    I thought that. Maybe we are waiting for the Debuchy deal to be finalised as we don’t want 2 high profile full backs signed.

  • 34 Santon03 // Jul 16, 2014 at 8:59 AM


    probably waiting for Riviere to sign and make the anoouncement together.

  • 35 deeps // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:01 AM

    The Debuchy deal has been held up not because of the Janmaat transfer..but because we are demanding £8m +Yaya sanogo..

  • 36 firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:01 AM

    If NUFC are picking up the bill for this agent then you would have to assume it is for an incoming transfer rather than someone leaving. If it was for a player leaving you would expect the buying team to pay the bill.

    WOW1 intrigue at last.

  • 37 ilovetoon8788 // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:01 AM

    i got a feeling janmaat deal has been hijacked by Liverpool. we have failed to unveiled janmaat and there could be some hiccups and deal collapsing at the very last minute.

  • 38 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:02 AM


    I’m not suggesting that it is suspicious just a bit odd, however I don’t really see how the Debuchy situation would prevent us from announcing this deal, if the deal is done then it’s done, not announcing it just seems odd, I don’t see why they would, Cabella’s deal was held back but with good reason, the WC final was being played, as soon as it finished it was then announced, but with this one I just don’t see why or what reason there could be, it’s not important just a bit odd !

  • 39 Slank // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:03 AM

    Novocastrian66 @ 31

    Whilst Sunderland and Newcastle talk to each other I cannot see us paying their hotel bill. If we are paying then we want the agent to do something, but what ?

    It’s either we want one of the agent’s players or we want the agent to take some of our players off our hands.

    And looking at the list of players the agent represents I would say that there is a good chance that it involves French players, Marveaux and Obertan perhaps?

  • 40 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:03 AM


    that could well be it, lets hope so !

  • 41 Slank // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:05 AM


    Sorry, my use of the wrong word. You are quite right that ‘odd’ is a better word.

  • 42 firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:05 AM


    It was reported that the hold up of Janmaat deal was due to some minor details that were being sorted out. We have seen the photos of him holding the shirt with his name on it, so we have to assume the deal is really done.

  • 43 Hoodrat- // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:06 AM

    Thats right…he told my lass it was being paid by newcastle but shes saying they havent paid for bit..they dont have an account or anything they just book the room and a card is left as a gurantee. Ive got no idea..they all looked like they werw wedged apparantly. She thought they were players but like i said she hasnt got a clue about football or who they cud be but she didnt recognise them from the pics of the players i mentioned earlier. Could only see it being to do with rivierre or like someone said…a player being sold.

  • 44 Novocastrian66 // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:08 AM

    Who were the two mystery guests with this Rudy bloke?
    Transfer windows. Don’t you just love them?

  • 45 outsidethebox // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:09 AM

    janmaat forgot his birth cert…needed to prove age….could be anything but seeing as he is holding up shirt cannot be anything important

  • 46 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:09 AM

    This Raba is the agent of Younis Kaboul, could he be the CB who we are going after ?

  • 47 Santon03 // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:10 AM


    best we wait what happen, looking at the way we do business recently it should be quick.
    I hope we ask Rudy to help with selling unwanted players.

  • 48 ilovetoon8788 // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:12 AM

    @firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:05 AM

    there has been very very last minute hijacking of clubs before.

    if Liverpool has given his agent a ring, janmaat would have ran out of Benton.

  • 49 Hoodrat- // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:12 AM

    I dont know. Shr doesnt know. I showed her pics of rivierre, cabella and janmaat and she said it didnt look like any of those. Ive never heard of rudy raba..cant find a pic of him on google or find much info about him other than hes an agent. Sure something will come out shortly and his name will be mentioned somewhere and itl all make sense.

  • 50 Santon03 // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:12 AM

    I remember he wasn’t feeling well. It could be waiting for him to get fit then take the medical or fail the medical and need to do it again (if that’s possible).

  • 51 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:12 AM

    Isn’t Rudy Raba the DJ in The Fifth Element?

  • 52 Slank // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:13 AM

    Does anyone know the protocol of enquiring about a player?

    Does the club contact the players club first or contact his agent?

  • 53 Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:16 AM

    This is an article dated from 2nd July, mentions both Rudy Raba and Newcastle, could be linked to that? Maybe something to do with Taraabt.

  • 54 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:16 AM

    @soccer_sauce: Newcastle also working hard to land another striker. We understand they are negotiating hard with Lyon for Alexandre Lacazette #NUFC

    @soccer_sauce: We are also hearing that Gabon ST Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang is still an option #NUFC

    @soccer_sauce: Few whispers this morning that Man Utd are looking at #NUFC midfielder Moussa Sissoko as a potential option #MUFC

    Now I’m not a big ITK believer and mostly follow for the craic but this bloke seems to know what he’s talking about and I can’t help but be genuinely excited at who we could see upfront for the toon next season

    I love and hate silly season in equal proportion!!!

  • 55 Hoodrat- // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:17 AM

    I doubt we’d be after kaboul nor believe that tottenham would want to sell him. These guys were only checked in for one night so must be conducting whatever business it is today. I still think itl be to do with Rivierre .all seems to tie in with when hes due to be here etc

  • 56 firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:17 AM


    Anything is possible mate, but it’s very unlikely. The minor details will have been sorted out now and he will be a Newcastle player today.

    If it helps here is a link to him holding the NUFC shirt:


  • 57 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:18 AM

    If playing by the book, you must contact the players club first. In reality, most clubs sound out the agent and players before speaking to the club. Commonly known as tapping up, but it is common practice in the game.

  • 58 Slank // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:18 AM

    According to the press Naples would like Morgan Schneiderlin of Southampton and Rudy is the agent.

  • 59 Hoodrat- // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:19 AM

    Geremi…thats the link i found last night wen i was trying to fibd stuff out talks about him and sissoko snd a move to napoli. In poor english though so not clear.

  • 60 JAMSHA // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:19 AM

    isnt kaboul free?

  • 61 JAMSHA // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:20 AM

    if that pic on twitter of a player at newcastle is lacazett then sup

  • 62 cyprus // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:23 AM

    Hard to criticize what’s going on at this club these days. Congrats!

    And no worries about that loss to Oldham, looked mainly like the b team there.

  • 63 Average_Contents // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:28 AM


    If massive fod and manure want sissoko then I’d want at least £20m+ off them fcukers mate! He’s already a beast so in a few years time I feel he’s gonna be one of the most successful imports in our history….hope so anyway!

  • 64 Average_Contents // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:30 AM

    Imagine Lacezetta AND pea! Jesus wept I’d cream my pants! Just a dream though

  • 65 DanToon // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:30 AM

    I like this team for next season, thoughts?

    ——————-De Jong

    Subs: Elliot, Santon, Anita, Taylor, Gouffran, Ben Arfa, Perez, Williamson.

  • 66 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:31 AM

    I agree, it is hard to criticise what the club are doing re transfers at the moment, but it also isn’t really worthy of heady praise. At this moment our squad is still short in key areas, and weak in others. If we actually improve the first team and the depth by the windows end then yes, it will be worthy of praise, but there is still a long way to go.

  • 67 Average_Contents // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:33 AM

    Sky sauces saying riviera is in Newcastle having his medical, I don’t really read to much into things until they report it….maybe we’ll get David Craig back at benton this deadline day lol

  • 68 Santon03 // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:33 AM

    I don’t see why Sissoko want to move other than massive wage or have problem with manager.
    We are building great looking squad, he will have new teamates that really good.
    SDJ, Janmaat, Riviere, Cabella, Perez, and could be more to come. At least he should stay and see where we will end up this season before moving to another club.

  • 69 Average_Contents // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:35 AM

    The link if anyone’s arsed bur it doesn’t say much tbh

  • 70 Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:36 AM

    No chance we will get Schneiderlin, not at the prices Southampton are getting for their players.
    We really do need that CM controller though i think, De Jong seems far more of a CAM. We need to start controlling and dictating games especially at home against lower opposition.

  • 71 Average_Contents // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:37 AM


    I agree but if manure did come in for him with a decent bid he would be gone mate whether he,wanted to or not….it was just a rumour as tads said so most probably nothing in it

  • 72 Santon03 // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:38 AM

    Hopefully Riviere doesn’t have that weird looking hairdo.

  • 73 Santon03 // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:40 AM


    I think it’s just a rumours too.

  • 74 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:42 AM


    hopefully he does have that hairdo, if his playing ability doesn’t frighten the opponents then I’m sure his hair will lol

  • 75 JAMSHA // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:42 AM

    any know whats the reaction on scums blog?

  • 76 ilovetoon8788 // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:44 AM

    Reviere is definitely going to be played in the wings.He’s fast and skillful and gets inside the box a lot. he will start in either wings and almost operate as a striker.

    Reviere, Siem, Cabella.

    brand new attack next season.

  • 77 phatt knacker // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:44 AM

    Maybe ash has had a scrooge moment at christmass. But its just took the ghosts of everyone he has screwed over this long to finnish with him 🙂
    Hope we havent bought a turkey tho haha

  • 78 beermonkey // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:50 AM

    good morning bloggers

    I see we lost last night and I saw ldj scored
    but did any1 watch the match, I wanna know how we lined up and if there were any decent performances

  • 79 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:52 AM

    @F8Piraux: NEWCASTLE : Emmanuel #Rivière is not a top class striker but he is a complete player. Lot of confidence after AS Monaco story. #NUFC

  • 80 clinath@ed // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:57 AM

    I was there last night. Good first half hour, plenty of pace and movement. Abied and Armstrong were full of pace and work rate. Seim was OK as was Colback.
    Game deteriorated with the ball going sideways too much and not forward for my liking. I thing our back 4 had most of the possession..!
    Mbiwa looked a little lightweight, which was disappointing too.
    (excuse spelling of names)

  • 81 JAMSHA // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:57 AM


    Reviere WILL be A hIT at newcastle… i just hope his finishng improves… an would soon b worth 20+mil… watch out…

  • 82 Sliema // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:59 AM

    I’ve seem Rivière about 3 times when watching Monaco games. I think he’s better than he’s been given credit for. People saying we are paying over the top for an average striker, erm, since when is £5/6mil over the top for an average striker?! They’re the most expensive players on the pitch. Even if he is just a back-up then it’s still not over-priced, and if he does very well and shines, then he’ll be said to be massively under-priced! Either way it’s a win-win imho. 🙂

  • 83 firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:59 AM

    Apparently the deals for Janmaat and Riviere will be announced when Arsenal give the green light for the Debuchy deal to go through.

  • 84 christoon5369 // Jul 16, 2014 at 9:59 AM

    beermonkey, was at the game last night, anita isnt a right back,colback never stopped running kept it tidy, de jong had some nice touches and took his goal well, armstong was ok plenty of movement up front, mbiwa looked solid apart from one moment he got himself in a tangle with 2 stikers tound him, still missing that bit of quality to link mf to attack, passed the ball about well but not much cutting edge,

  • 85 beermonkey // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:05 AM



  • 86 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM

    How did Perez look when he came on, anyone take much notice of him ??

  • 87 beermonkey // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM



  • 88 firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM

    I wonder if Ashley’s re-kindled relationship with his estranged wife has anything to do with him walking away from the massive bonus scheme he worked so hard for, and the sudden turn around in signings at Newcastle.

    Maybe she is teaching him that there is more to life than being a money grabbing Ogre, and maybe he has to prove it to her.

    Then again maybe not.

  • 89 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:08 AM

    Good match report

  • 90 Sliema // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:08 AM

    Who can think of a situation where a player has appeared in photos with the shirt, then the deal has been scuppered somehow and it never happens?

    Has this happened before?

  • 91 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:09 AM


    so all it takes is for Arsenal to change their minds and go for Janmaat and save £7m and then we are well and truly screwed !

  • 92 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:11 AM


    I don’t think it has but then there has got to be a first at some point !

  • 93 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:12 AM

  • 94 Whumpie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:15 AM

    I love how any news that reflects badly on Ashley is always discussed (and extended) mercilessly, but when there’s something that seems to show an inconvenient lack of averice it’s “irrelevant”!

    I hate what he’s doing with this club, but I take my hat off to this move: spends 2 years and daft legal bills pushing through a scheme, then makes a huge point by giving up his share. That’s how to keep your employees on side.

  • 95 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    Interesting view from an Arsenal blog

  • 96 Whumpie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    What I still don’t get about Ashley (and won’t unless he buys the rest of Rangers and pushes them to the4 CL as I think he may) is why he hasn’t pushed this club into the top 4 when he has had two clear chances to do so.

    If he’s already in 19 countries around Europe, surely a risked effort of, say, £50m when we’d hit 5th 2 years ago, or last January when he could have added to the squad rather than killed it, would be worth a crack?

    Is he that vindictive that he’d shit on an entire region in revenge for their reaction to his mistakes? Doesn’t ring true to me.

    Bloody baffling, this bloke.

  • 97 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:19 AM

    @GFN_France: PROFILE: Who is Emmanuel Rivière?
    A comprehensive player profile
    Full profile: #ASM #NUFC

  • 98 beermonkey // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:20 AM


    thanks for that not a bad read

    the phrase that was a little concerning And the home side clicked up a gear, perhaps sensing Newcastle were happy to see out the game

    sitting back on a 1 0 lead again its huge problem for us
    I know it preseason

  • 99 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:20 AM

    Why would Ashley want to pay to get Champions League? The risk is probably far greater than the reward in his eyes. He wouldn’t be able to advertise, so it would be of little discernible benefit to his SD empire.

  • 100 firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:21 AM


    I don’t think that will happen, Arsenal want Debuchy because of his premier league experience, They want him to slot right into the team.

    The Janmaat deal is done and dusted whatever minor problems they had will have been sorted. He will be our player today.

    And you have to bare in mind that the story is from the chronicle!

    Until Arsenal announce the signing of Debuchy he is still our player so in reality if anything when wrong with the Janmaat deal we still have Debuchy.

  • 101 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:21 AM


    if we were challenging at the top of the league, how many fans from North London, Kensington, Merseyside and Manchester would then refuse to buy from SD out of fear that it would be helping a rival, I accept that this sounds pathetically childish, but thats people for you, but where we are and not harming anyone is ideal for him.

  • 102 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:22 AM

    The players haven’t been back in training long. We made a raft of changes. I wouldn’t read anything into the scoreline. A fitness exercise where it isn’t worth over stretching yourself at this early stage.

  • 103 Whumpie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:23 AM

    Spoof – good article, that Arsenal one. Can’t help but agree with the conclusion.

  • 104 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:23 AM

    Not sure it was us sitting back on a 1-0, last night was nothing more than a jog out, both there goals came after huge amount of subs and we were basically playing the reserves
    Main thing for me is the new lads and Abied had decent games and we got no injuries

  • 105 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:25 AM


    in all honesty I think you are 100% correct but as I was saying at the start of this thread it is odd why no announcement has been made, then again Santon could be right by saying that they could be holding back to make it a double announcement with Riviere, would a double signing sell more season tickets than 2 single signings, well it certainly would have a bigger impact so that could be the thinking.

  • 106 Kris // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:27 AM

    I think its two players in the pic at Benton. The One with blue jeans look like Riviere. The other one looks like Lacazette!

    This window is a clever one by NUFC!

  • 107 Whumpie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    Spoof and Lilongwe – interesting theories; make some sense. But what’s the point in taking all that risk with the tax man (“free” advertising as an exchange of services is not exactly in keeping with the spirit of the tax laws) to plaster SJP with his brand if he only gets it seen at PL matches?

    I suspect you’re right: he’s had someone analyse the audience and decided that the potential risk (investing but still failing to make the grade; alienating customers in rival areas) isn’t worth the potential gain.

    On the one hand, that’s better than the vindictiveness theory, but on the other hand it’s awful because it really does mean we’re being managed into perpetual mediocrity. Spite is normally short-lived; this shit could go on for decades.

  • 108 Whumpie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    Any more sign of a part-ex deal for Joel Campbell? I’d like to see that, although with Riviere now in, we need a Benteke type more than another “one for the future” punt.

  • 109 beermonkey // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    Lilongwe/ tads

    yeah I know its only preseason but its like a carry on from last season when read happy to see out a 1 -0 win

    are abeid and mbiwa goin on the tour

  • 110 Whumpie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    On last night’s game, it sounds like there were some really hopeful signs:

    1. Siem – brilliant. Just a confirmation really.
    2. Goufs – back to his never-say-die best perhaps? He was on fire at one point; could he be the dark horse for our top scorer?
    3. Rolando Aarons looks like he’s knocking on the door. I watched him in the reserves last year and he could be the real deal.

    Just two more top-end players, Mike – please!!

  • 111 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    In the Champions League all the boards are FIFA sponsors. He would not be able to advertise SD or his other brands in those games which makes it completely pointless to him. Only the Champions League revenue would benefit him, and to make that pay substantially he would have to spend even more.

  • 112 darrenfletcher88 // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    That pic does look interesting anything concrete to say it cud be rivière and
    Lacazette? Or we all getting just abit excited?

  • 113 Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    If it were Lacazette there would be news of it I’m sure, probably his agent/s.

  • 114 beermonkey // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:39 AM


    the way round that is shirt sponsor

  • 115 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:40 AM

    Looks too tall to be Lacazette, but difficult to tell. More likely not otherwise then I’m sure some of the French journos on twitter would have picked up on him being in the pic.

  • 116 Rainrix // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    Probably his agents. The words clutching and straws come to mind 🙂

  • 117 Whumpie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    Lilongwe – that’s interesting; didn’t know that. It does make a lot of sense. Shame it screws us over. 🙁

  • 118 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    Yeah, it is, but we didn’t use that route in the Europa. I can’t imagine any sponsor would be too impressed with being replaced for European games unless it was specifically in the contract that they were just a domestic sponsor.

    Still, I’m fully expecting SD to replace Wonga if they pull out, now that the club is making increased profit to cover the 8million or so Wonga pay.

  • 119 Average_Contents // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    I agree it’s probably his agents


    I think fatty could get them in the Champions league with minimal expenditure and then sponsor their shirts! A possible way to get truly world wide exposure at a snip imo mate and I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened

  • 120 manxpie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    Probably just waiting for arsenals cheque too clear, think there’ll be a double reveal around tea time
    With rivierre he seems to b powerful and pacy wat we have really missed up top for quite a while just hope he’s a good finisher

  • 121 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    As Beer says, a shirt sponsor would work. If Wonga pull out I would expect SD to take over now. Then we may see an increase in desire to make Europe. The PRem is so widely televised though that it may still not derive much of an additional benefit. Fairly depressing looking at it that way though.

  • 122 ITK Beattie25 // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    Janmaat has signed on the dotted line. He is contractually obliged to join NUFC his medical has been completed and the photos have been taken.

    The same goes for Debuchy. He has already completed his move Arsenal and the club are ready to announce the deal.

    However the payment for Debuchy is taking time. NUFC initially asked for the payment upfront and asked Aresnal to hold off on signing Debuchy until they had found a replacement. This would mean that Arsenal would in affect sign Janmaat for NUFC. Arsenal rejected this.

    So NUFC accepted a bid and Debuchy underwent a medical last Thursday and signed on the dotted line. Arsenal though have paid via a cheque. NUFC are waiting for this to clear before transferring the funds over to Feyenord.

    For more ITK fairy tales keep tuned to ITK Beattie25.

  • 123 Average_Contents // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    Not just European games either because that would just be unheard of and quite frankly weird I’m on about a full sponsorship with rangers and it wouldn’t cost much at all

  • 124 beermonkey // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:46 AM


    yup I thought the same thing when I read they might pull out
    I think it will happen he would be on motd every week then

  • 125 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    The Prem gets just as much coverage as the Champions League though, so it may still not be of that much use to him, and at a greater cost to him with higher risk of not making the Champions League. I still think the cons probably outweigh the pros in his mind.

  • 126 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    Rumors circulating that we are in for Benteke….

    Think my face would melt if we managed to pull that off!

    It would be a major improvement!

  • 127 deeps // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:52 AM

  • 128 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:52 AM

    Sorry, are you saying he could get Rangers in at a snip? I thought you were on about Newcastle. For Rangers, 6 games on global TV (If they get through qualifiers, not always a guarantee) compared to 38 potential games in the Prem. It is a no brainer in terms of advertising, the Prem every time.

    He already owns the naming rights for Ibrox Stadium, Rangers could walk out in the Champions League at the Sports Direct Ibrox, or some equally other tacky name.

    As for different sponsors in Europe, some clubs have had to do it due to certain things not being allowed as sponsors in some countries. A couple of clubs have also had separate sponsor deals.

  • 129 Markaccus // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:53 AM


    where are these rumours. Please say its someone like sky *clasps hands in a praying style* 😀

  • 130 Whumpie // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    I think Benteke would work brilliantly. If we got him then it leaves a gap for a top-end CB to step in when Colo is injured/knackered but that’s about all. We’ve got a killer midfield now; we just need an experienced striker to go next to the nice batch of younguns.

    Come on guys – pull off just one more major coup and we’re all happy… ish…. until we’re 4th at Christmas… and you sell our best players to keep us out of Europe….

    God, I’m depressed.

  • 131 cyprus // Jul 16, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    I’m not sure I get your new persona, but hey, your witty posts are welcomed back.
    It seems you are saying MA doesn’t want CL football for some reason. I know you don’t really believe that 😉

  • 132 cyprus // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    Any of NUFC games televised? e.g. New Zealand?

  • 133 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    Current squad (no injuries)

    ——————– Krul ———————–
    Janmaat – Mbiwa – Coloccini – Santon
    ———— Sissoko – Tiote
    Cabella ——- De Jong ——- Gouffran
    ——————- Riviere

    1. Elliot
    2. Haidara
    3. Williamson
    4. Colback
    5. Anita
    6. Ben Arfa
    7. Cisse

    Hope this Riviere is good! He has youth on his side to improve but he is not exactly setting the world alight. I just hope he ends up being a surprise wonder signing.

    Me personally I feel we need another striker, and a young versatile right back/centre back.


    Hernandez or Benteke? Basically another striker. 10-12m
    Alderwield 8m

    Obertan 1m if we are lucky
    RTaylor 500k
    Jonas 500k
    Ben Arfa 3m (get something now he is coming to end of his contract)

    I would like to see us go for Grenier in the January window! He is quality.

  • 134 Average_Contents // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:04 AM


    He’d most likely be able to get both at a snip mate (buying and sponsoring them) and remember even though he’d have to invest a little with no guarantees they’d make champions league, the odds would be massively stacked in his favour as it’s a poor league and the only rivals in theory would be celtic as the barrier to achieving this so from a business point of view it would make sense

    Minimum outlay

    Maximum exposure

    Oh wait he already has that here but in all seriousness I know the prem is one of the most watched leagues in the world but the Champions league is a different kettle of fish. He could even not pay a fee for sponsoring them if he owned them (not sure if that would be illegal) but I wouldn’t put it past him! All hypothetical of course but he does love a good bargain does he not?

    Anyway can’t see him leaving this cash cow at the moment

  • 135 Markaccus // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:07 AM

    Soccer sauce rekons 13 mil will get benteke, but Everton and southampton also interested. Doesnt really look likely with that in mind 🙁

  • 136 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:07 AM


    Just been reading a few articles online, end up coming across a few mentioning it. Unfortunately its not Sky or ITV or anyone worthy of note just a couple of sites which means nothing.

    Still its a random name to just take a swing at.

    I would take with a pinch of salt for now.

  • 137 Rainrix // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    Cyprus…. Bt sport has picked up the NZ tour apparently so there should be some streams kicking about.

  • 138 Belfast // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    The picture looks like the guy from Monaco and his agent.

    Lacazette is going to cost 16 million, so strike him of your lists.

  • 139 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:09 AM


    I think both are on BT sport. One is at 4.30am and the other 8.30am next week.

    Bt sport website will have more info.

    Although I do not think Cabella or Janmaat or Riviere will be on the tour. Possibly Riviere but the other two have been in the World Cup.

  • 140 Markaccus // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:11 AM


    ah right. Cheers anyway. However i would probably join you in the melted face club if we manage to snag him somehow!

  • 141 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:12 AM


    16m is just a estimation. Even Cabella was quoted 16m.

    Does not mean they will actually want that, just forcing the price from say 8m to 12m.

    I do not really want Lacazette or Riviere to be honest. I think Lacazette is a better player of the two.

    I would personally go for Hernandez for approx 8m would be my guess.

    Benteke would not be a bad shout at approx 12m.

    I think overall our business for this window will be complete after today. I just have a funny feeling its been done early and I cannot complain who we have bought overall, just would have liked a more established striker.

  • 142 Markaccus // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:13 AM

    It is good that there appears to be genuine interest in strikers of his callibre, though. If wr are willing to get in a proven 10-15 M striker then i would consider that “improvement” rather than “replacement” (as long as riviere comes too)

  • 143 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    It’s great that we’re signing some of these players and I hope more quality comes in, but we still have the equivalent of Jimmy Krankie driving our new Aston Martin.

  • 144 firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:21 AM

    Laurent Robert 32

    Well lets hope he doesn’t crash it around the first corner.

  • 145 Belfast // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:21 AM

    Who actually made this soccer sauce a reliable source by the way ?

    People seem to disregard all the false information they give for some reason.

    5000 followers is pretty shite for a “reliable source” on twatter. When you look at the amount of followers that some of the rest of those dodgy accounts have.

    I would suggest a “reliable source” would have more than 5000 followers on twatter.

    Just my opinion though.

  • 146 ITK Beattie25 // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    Rumours of Benteke and/or PEA signing are unfortunately false.

    After Riviere NUFC will not look to spend any more money until the wage bill has been trimmed further. They will however look at the loan market, depending on the progress of Adam Campbell and Adam Armstrong during pre-season.

    If NUFC manage to get Marveaux and Obertan off the books then they may look to add another striker with the funds. Otherwise the spending is over.

  • 147 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:25 AM

    I’d suggest a reliable source wouldn’t be a bloke with a twitter account. They’d be someone who had an actual job either in the journalism world, or the football world who didn’t have time to update their twitter feed every 5 minutes.

  • 148 Mister Tuff // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:26 AM

    People who whinge on about there being posts about Mr Tubbs businesses -should reflect that in order to be a well informed supporter -a bit of knowledge about all things club related has to involve his businesses. Normally the average fan would only be interested in the footballing side – but the way the club is being run currently surely must include supporters having some knowledge about what he is up to.

    Riviere – I think this lad is going to be a hit at SJP -his career floundered a bit recently but he is supposed to be a very decent player -a new challenge I think will bring the best out of him.

  • 149 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:31 AM

    Firebug, he’ll have to learn how to put the key in the ignition first.

  • 150 firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:34 AM

    Laurent Robert 32

    Even after he learns that part I’m guessing he will spend the next 3 months trying to find the start button. As for the inhibitor….. well he is already fully blessed in that department.

  • 151 Whumpie // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    I’m not so sure we can’t get a decent striker just because the likes of Everton are interested. Now we have a midfield to rival most in the PL, it’s a lot easier to tempt a top striker in – basically a perfect stage to show their stuff and set themselves up as one of the greats.

    But, if the club don’t pounce now and wait and see… well, there is a big risk that the shine of all that hard-won potential will be replaced with the mouldy dung of reality when we’re in the bottom half with an inability to score goals, the supporters protesting again, the manager under pressure to resign and the owner losing popularity contests to politicians and estate agents.

    This is the sickening thing: as of this week this club has its 3rd opportunity to get us up there with the best… and I bet they don’t. So the good players they’ve fought so hard for will want to leave and the yo-yo continues.

    This could and should be one of the massive brands in sport, selling shirts and advertising all over the planet for big numbers and generating £200m revenues because it’s the team that always gets televised because it’s battling for top spots and playing entertaining footie. Basically Liverpool last season.

    But because they won’t risk running a few million of loss for a year…. they miss all of that and continue bouncing between 8th and 17th.


  • 152 firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    The tension is building as Newcastle fans around the world watch with unblinking eyes, the smart phone screens, laptops and desktops, tablets and TV’s waiting for the official news that new signings have arrived.

    I just wish they would hurry up, I have to go to the bairns play at 1:30 pm.

  • 153 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:44 AM

    I just wish Newcastle would pay 8m for this guy…. I do not think he would be valued much more.

    Apps – Goals
    45 – 20
    36 – 12
    36 – 18
    35 – 9

    How many of those appearances would have been 10mins or less? I would bet a canny few!

    And he is only 26 just turned.

    I said this about Sturridge when Torres went to Chelsea we could get him for 8-10m before he went on loan to Bolton. This to me is just as good in terms of the quality you get for the price you pay.

  • 154 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:44 AM


  • 155 Jail for Ashley // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:45 AM

    I’m glad most posters are keeping things in perspective, it has been a very promising window so far but before we start putting the Mike Ashley bunting out and, as the Cabbage heed from the heed proposes ‘letting him march cattle over the Tyne bridge’ ? let us remember that he has just over seen two years in which we narrowly escaped relegation because he refused to strengthen the squad until it was almost too late, he seen us in half a season end up the worst club outside of the bottom one because he sold our best player and again refused to strengthen, he let his cronies announce that competitive football wasn’t on the cards while letting one of the worst managers in our history amass every unwanted record while abusing fellow managers and assaulting opposition players because he’s prepared to tell us lies, so before we get carried away, even if we bring in the eight to ten players needed, the reason we’re doing so I because of the neglect shown over the last two years.

  • 156 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:49 AM


    No one is getting ahead of themselves.

    We are aware of what he has done to the club. But he has also bought these players.

    Its been some quality business regardless how you view him personally. I think in this sense its best to just say, well done.

    Opposed to list the things we have heard from many on this site OVER, AND OVER, AND OVER again.

    We know, but let us enjoy the positive news whilst it is here. We can always revert back to the negative dribble when things are not going well.

    Talk about bringing the mood down.

  • 157 Belfast // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:53 AM

    Very true Lilongwe.

    Just think it’s pointless debating stuff that comes from these accounts.

  • 158 ITK Beattie25 // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    I know there is a positive feeling at the minute but beware not to get too carried away.

    The same issues still exist at the club that have not rectified in years.

    Firstly we still don’t have a deadball specialist in the starting 11. Ryan Taylor is awesome yes, but will be on the bench most likely. Who is going to take our corners and FK’s. Do not say Cabella or De Jong as you will have admitted you know nothing about them. This lack of quality delivery is very telling and knocks at least 10-15 goals out of the team. If we had good delivery and a commanding CB we may even add 5-10 goals on top of the 10-15 we are already missing out on.

    Next we still lack depth in key areas. One injury or suspension and we will be left wanting. Right back is weak depth wise, CB is dodgy as always and we are starved of natural wingers. During the busy Christmas period we may struggle again unless some of our youngsters turn into PL quality over the Summer. If we can add some quality to replace the Obertan’s, Gutierrez’s, Ferguson’s, Ameobi’s, Williamson’s etc… we would see a huge difference when it comes to covering players. We do sometimes move from being a top 10 team to a relegation threatened one based on 1 or 2 injuries/suspensions.

    Next comes the tactical weaknesses in the coaching staff. This will not be erased by a transfer so there is no point talking about it.

    We are 3 key components away from being a top 6 side for me.

  • 159 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    I just wish the getting rid of the gash continues….


    In my eyes never will, or have been good enough.

    Ben Arfa is good enough he just does not have the attitude one would expect for someone on a big wage. By right, he is entitled to do whatever in his own time, but to come back overweight when you are paid the money he is paid, its disgusting.

    Move him on. Be done with him,

    Quality or not, he needs to leave because he is nothing but trouble and will be on a free transfer this time next year.

    I would like to see Jonas move on, but I love his passion, his work rate and cannot fault the guy. He is everything Ben Arfa is not, and really he is a model professional. I have no qualms if he was to stay for his final year and serve us as a reliable back up.

    I have been told though that if he plays a few more games he is given an extension of 1 year to his contract. This is why you have not seen him.

  • 160 Jail for Ashley // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    The difference is though is that I keep posting when things are going well, where as a good few on here have come out of the woodwork to say what a jolly good fellow Mikey is after all.

  • 161 the truth will out // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    his cattle will cross when his pigs fly

  • 162 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 11:58 AM

    There is nothing really to say well done about so far. We still need 2 strikers, a centre back, depth to the squad.

    So far, we may have brought in some decent replacements and good players, but has the squad improved? We still don’t have someone who can get the goals required. Our defence is still incredibly shaky. The only position we are strong is in the midfield areas, mainly central. We still lack any real width to the midfield.

    So far, so good, but plenty of work still to be done.

  • 163 Markaccus // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:02 PM


    I am happy with the signings, albeit replacements rather than improvements, but I still think ashley is a C#n7. Where do I fit in? 😀

  • 164 beermonkey // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:07 PM


    we have a good starting 11 again but when you look at the bench there is no game changers on there,

    I don’t expect this to change till the likes of benny marveax obatan have been shifted off the wages

  • 165 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:07 PM


    I agree we have issues.

    > Lack of strikers, upon Riviere getting injured we have youth, and even more youth beyond Perez whilst Cisse has went under the knife. It would suggest we need one more striker before the season begins.

    > Defense has been gash since Woodgate left back in Bobby era. Colo is past his best. Williamson is average with his main attribute to be strong in the air, albeit not accurate. I concur that Right back has the lack of depth with only Santon being an outright replacement moving across the field to his more natural right foot. It would seem early indicators suggest Anita will be a makeshift back up. I have said since day one the guy in my opinion does not have the build or simply the quality to lead the middle in the PL. He would be better suited to a wing back position. Although we have depth in left back, I would hardly call in quality across 3 of the choices in Dummett, Haidara and Santon. Mbiwa for me is our best centre back, who is continuously made to look like a mug from the lack of playing time in his preferred position. I just wish they would remedy this and drop Williamson or the fading Coloccini.

    > Our midfield has always been our strongest element. I feel it has more depth than it ever has with the addition of this summers signings. I think the corners will be taken from Cabella, I cannot say he will be amazing or not in all honesty. But lets just say he cannot be any worse?! Our free kicks again early indications would suggest Siem will take them. Personally I have no issue with this as he has a very Shearer vibe about him in that he is powerful, but lacks pace. If he free kicks are anything in a similar mold we could start adding goals to our dead ball game.

    Overall we are slightly short in quality in our defence and lack depth in the striker role.

    I agree Pardew is limited, but a coach is simply as good as his players. He decisions are nothing short of questionable at times but I still feel he only does his best. I also feel he is in last chance saloon. And inevitably the top 10 target achieved and the investment, one would assume the target has been amended accordingly to say top 8?

    I think in regards to dead ball situations Grenier would solve all our woes.

    Ideally Hernandez, Grenier and Alderwield would not only solve our problems but make us a very strong outfit for the upcoming campaign.

    But I cannot see that happening. Although I did say that about Siem, Janmaat and Cabella!

  • 166 Blackley and Brownlie // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:08 PM


    Those who know Riviere are saying we’ve overpaid substantially for someone who isn’t a natural goalscorer. Is this guy a dud?

  • 167 christoon5369 // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:08 PM

    their goal came from a set piece after some newcastle changes and they grew in confidence from there, the winner should have been saved, wouldnt say they went up a gear it was more about the changes we made at the back,

  • 168 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:08 PM


    Villa want rid as they believe that he was a 1 season wonder, only time will tell if he was.

  • 169 Jail for Ashley // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    A pat on the back for the fat controller shall be rightly given when he decides to let us aim for that top six instead of keeping us deliberately short of players to make it impossible.

  • 170 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    Not to mention the fact that some of this rebuilding should have been done in earlier windows so we weren’t going into a season with so many players that are new to the club, but more crucially new to the league.

    Plenty on this blog were of the opinion Sunderland would struggle to get their new players to gel last summer, we are looking like we will be in exactly the same position, or we will be well understrength.

    Neither are particularly good situations for us to be in given the need for a good start.

  • 171 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:12 PM


    I agree, but a squad always can be improved. You do not see Man City content with winning the league, or Chelsea, or Man Utd.

    If its not this season it will be next.

    I feel we are short in some places, as stated defence and strikers.

    and the above I mentioned 3 players that would resolve all our issues. Or that is atleast my opinion.

  • 172 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:15 PM

    Honestly, I have seen very little of him, so it is unfair to judge him. But from the things I have read, the one or 2 games I saw of Monaco, and the quotes from french journos on twitter I am a long way from convinced.

    WhoScored and a few of the sites that I am a paid subscriber to don’t rate him particularly. WhoScored under strengths have and I quote “Player has no significant strengths”. In comparison, Shola was Very Strong for aerial duels and strong for Through balls. Whether you agree with Shola’s strengths or not, it is a bit of a worry Riviere has none!

  • 173 beermonkey // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:17 PM



  • 174 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    Of course you (should) always look to improve the squad. So far have we honestly improved our squad? To stand still we require 1 striker (assuming Riviere is done). Then we can look at improving.

    I imagine Cabella is essentially HBA’s replacement, Janmaat for Debuchy, SDJ for Cabaye, Colback for Gosling, Riviere (probably) for Shola. Still missing a Remy replacement to stand still, without taking into account LDJ being here from Jan as well.

  • 175 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:21 PM

    Alderweild? You expect us to sign him off Atletico Madrid? Behave man.

  • 176 OhSholaAmeobi // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:22 PM

    I know it’s a mackem forum, but everyone should give this a read. Lends perspective.

  • 177 Blackley and Brownlie // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:23 PM

    “Player has no significant strengths”! OMG!

  • 178 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:25 PM

    Riviere to me seems a waste of space.

    Without blowing my own trumpet to much I watch alot of football. Although I watch more of the PL than any other I do watch alot of French, German, Spanish football.

    Despite watching Monaco a few times last season I did not notice him or care to notice him.

    I knew Sissoko, Gouffran, Mbiwa all before they signed. I have seen Siem De Jong and Janmaat.

    Yet I do not recall Riviere I feel that is because he was not good enough to notice, or he simply was not good enough to play.

    I have no confidence, but with all my heart I hope I am wrong and his is a wonder signing from no where.

    HOPE being the key word!

    6m aswell, as stated we could get a proven PL striker in Hernandez for as little as 2-3m more!

  • 179 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:25 PM

    And there is the worry. So far no one wants any of our cast offs. If we can’t get rid and don’t bring in the players required then this window is for nowt.

  • 180 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    There certainly seems to be a better atmosphere coming from the fans, however I am not overly sure that it is justified, assuming that we do sign Janmaat and Riviere basically we have Cabaye out and SDJ in, Ben Arfa and Jonas being shunned with Cabella and Colback in, Debuchy out Janmaat in, Remy, LDJ, Shola out with Riviere and Perez in, so if you analise it we have lost a load who we know can cut it in the PL (Luuk and Shola ?) and with the exception of Colback replaced them with a load who are unknown to the PL, very risky, very very risky, it could be a phenominal window but at the same time it could be a catastrophe.

  • 181 Blubber tits // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    Riviere has a better goals to minutes ratio than the flavour of the month Lacazette, in Ligue 1 last season. A goal every 175 minutes, so pretty much 1 in 2. He’s quicker, more powerful, better aerially.

    I’m not blown away by him, but give him a chance and backing. Have a feeling he’ll intentionally be our only ST signing and all this top ST talk, is just that, which’ll conclude with some gab about Pardew’s wretched line.

    MA won’t want to make us too happy, now, would he? Wouldn’t be normal if he didn’t leave us to gripe about being at least a player short.

  • 182 Belfast // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    It seems Demba Ba is off to Besiktas.
    Another one to strike of the list.

  • 183 Rotonda heights // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    I too have my doubts about Riviere but I am reliably informed he is very quick, which is something we definitely lack for sure.

    Basically it comes down to just needing one prolific scorer and a new CB, ie Eric Dier if
    MYM leaves. Plus ditching the deadwood to let the better youngsters have a chance.

    Any joy over signings is inevitably tempered by the ongoing presence of pardew and Wonga but maybe just maybe Ash is getting more hands on now and won’t suffer fools as much after this latest round of transfers investment.

  • 184 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:35 PM


    I don’t think that Riviere has been a regular for Monaco, but seeing as their main two strikers are James and Falcao then thats not really a surprise, but being second best to those two hardly makes you a bad player, time will tell but certainly I wouldn’t rule him out due to not being able to get ahead of those 2.

  • 185 Markaccus // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:37 PM

    Whi is martin trinder btw? Does he come on here?

  • 186 Markaccus // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:37 PM


  • 187 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    LG –

    Alderwield has requested to leave for more playing time. If he is promised more game time from A Madrid, so be it.

    If not, he has hardly warranted a rise in his inital price tag for sitting on the bench the majority of last season.

    He had an OK world cup. Hardly set the world alight.

    I think he would welcome first team football. Especially in the PL. A Madrid will not win the league again, they are basically doing a Southampton and getting any decent player taken from them without much fight.

    Villa is away, Costa is away. They are losing their left back Luis to Chelsea. Their goalkeeper was not even theirs to keep.

    The club is in debt. I think they would accept more money to not only help towards replacing their stars that have left, but also pay off some of the debt.

    As for improvement my opinion of the “replacements”

    Remy > Riviere = If he is Remys replacement we maybe in trouble for goals next season.

    Cabaye – Siem = I think both have different strengths, enough to say not much will be in this one. Passing Cabaye may just edge it. Attacking Siem will no doubt be a bigger threat around the box and outside it. Cabaye did offer more in work rate defensively, and had slightly more pace, not that it was a strength of Cabayes.

    Perez > Shola = My granny would be a better replacement. Shola should have been shot of years ago!

    Colback > Gosling = All day long. Gosling was not the same player after injury. Colback actually has potential to get better. If you find an honest Sunderland fan we didnt do to bad from this deal.

    Janmaat > Debuchy = Hopefully it should reduce the bans, the drama, the penalties. Janmaat seems solid defensively which is what is needed when likes of Cabella is infront of you. I would argue Debuchy is better going forward but we do not need a better attacking full back, we need a decent defensive one. At the same time Janmaat is not that bad going forward. From what I have seen of Janmaat he also works hard which is what I liked from Debuchy.

    Cabella has not replaced anyone as of yet?

  • 188 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    It shouldn’t be Dier if MYM leaves. It should be Dier because he is better than Willo and Saylor. If MYM goes as well then maybe we should be looking at bringing in 2 centre backs.

  • 189 Mister Tuff // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    pawl – you posted:-
    “Yet I do not recall Riviere I feel that is because he was not good enough to notice, or he simply was not good enough to play.”

    You are giving yourself the alternative option that Riviere might not have been playing -so obviusly you would not notice him!

  • 190 Blubber tits // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    The biggest criticism I’ve seen about Riviere is that he needs 3 or 4 chances to score 1, not the most composed and from the Youtube clips I’ve seen, he does seem to have a bit of a clumsy technique when controlling and striking a ball.

    Another thought I’ve had is, we could be using him as leverage against Remy, forcing Remy’s hand to either join us now or risk not having any escape route from QPR as the window unfolds. A lot of trouble to go to, jetting in a player for a medical, to try and give another an indirect ultimatum, but who knows.

  • 191 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:41 PM


    Janmaat’s strength is going forward ?

  • 192 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:43 PM


    Obertan is quick…… does not make him an imnvaluable asset to the side.

    He will no doubt be our main striker unless we add another in the window.

    I just have no confidence if that were the case. I much rather play

    —————- Colback – Tiote
    Cabella ——— Sissoko ——— Gouffran
    —————— S De Jong

    I think more goals will come from that. Whether you swap Cabella for Sissoko, or Sissoko for Colback who apparently has the appetite for a behind the striker role.

    Regardless, I would have no confidence Riviere being the main man.

    In this case, I hope I am wrong and he bags 15 goals + a season!

  • 193 deeps // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:44 PM

    Riviere and Janmaat signing to be officially announced at 5 pm 🙂

  • 194 Blubber tits // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    Obertan is also an alien, that has the disruption device, that’s clearly planted inside his enormous cranium, triggered when he’s running with ball at full speed, causing him to leave it behind.

  • 195 firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    French Football Weekly has this brilliant headline:

    Emmanuel has many Rivières to cross to succeed at Newcastle United

  • 196 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    Perez better than Shola?? Based on what? As the club said when he signed he is for the development squad. So he isn’t Shola’s replacement whatsoever. Judging by the reports he struggled last night because he is far too lightweight last night. He needs the U 21’s or a decent loan. He is nowhere near 1st team, or at least shouldn’t be provided we do strengthen the squad.

    Janmaat better than Debuchy is a push. He did okay in the World Cup and has a decent record in the Dutch league, but Debuchy has proven he is a good player in the Prem. With the extra £7million coming our way fine, but it is impossible to claim that Janmaat is better than Debuchy for us at this stage.

    HBA will be gone, Cabella is essentially his replacement. Better end product, all round game, so I am good with that.

    But basically, even from your post then the squad isn’t improved or strengthened yet. We are still one or two injuries from being back to where we were post Cabaye last summer. Therefore I’m not sure why we should be happy just yet. Lot’s of work still to do in this transfer window..

  • 197 Blubber tits // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:49 PM


    The use of the phrase “too lightweight” deems everything else you say as glib tosh.

  • 198 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:50 PM


    I think my point was


    Debuchy > Janmaat


    Janmaat > Debuchy

    Its all assumption based on Janmaat has not played in the PL. From what I have seen I think he will be a better player more suited than Debuchy.


    Mister Tuff

    I am not saying he did play, I am simply saying if he did (I do not actually know if he did) I did not take any notice of him.

    If he was anything special on the pitch the days I watched Monaco I would have noticed him. Or atleast heard of his absence. You know when a big player is out.

    I never heard of Riviere until he was linked to us. Its rare a player is touted I have not heard of. Or atleast any half decent one.

    Hes a complete unknown factor for me. And all the quotes I have seen is Monaco are clapping their hands at the prospect of 6m for a below average player. I have never read he has potential, its always a negative comment.

    Unless you read his own valuation of supposedly being compared to Henry. Its almost as bad as Pardew thanking himself!

  • 199 beermonkey // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:51 PM


    players that hardly played last season the 2 taylors benny marv woebatan guitierez its over 12 mill a year there and our total wages is only around the 65 70 mill

    have we released Jonas???

    I get why Ashley wants these players gone before we bring in new players but not every player is gonna work out
    we need to find a way of offloading our sh1t

  • 200 Blubber tits // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    This Janmaat/Debuchy hold up is making me fidgety, could something be awry?

  • 201 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    *season not summer

  • 202 the truth will out // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    tommy trinders grandson lol

  • 203 JamesToon // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    Wise words from Micky Quinn here:

    However, we can dream again because Cabella is a talent and we need that type if we are to move forward.

    He is an exciting attacker and that is what the Newcastle United crowd want to see.

    Both he and De Jong are creative players and that’s encouraging. You do not sign guys like this and then set up your team to be defensive. I would hope.

    Alan Pardew has been justifiably criticised in the past for being too defensive.

    He was a defensive player and I always think managers such as him, and Sam Allardyce, set up their team to primarily not lose and then worry about scoring goals because that s their natural instinct.

    That is not Newcastle United. It is not the club I played for. That has never been what we have been about.

    What I will say is I can see no point in spending money on flair players and then not be an attack-minded side.

    I would still like to see a few more in. We could do with a centre-half, another striker and one more midfielder.

    You can never have enough goodplayers.

    One task Pardew does have is to get the best, or better, from those who blew hot and cold last season.

    If we saw the best from Vurnon Anita, Moussa Sissoko, Hatem Ben Arfa, Davide Santon or Papiss Cisse then those moment were fleeting.

    What the manager has done by making so many signings is to send a message to those who were already at the club. Their place is not secure any more. There is now real competition. The best players react well to pressure.

    I believe the lack of competition was one of the biggest problems at the club last season. Too many had been operating in a comfort zone. That has all changed.

    New faces do, or should, give everyone a lift.

    If you see someone coming in that could take your place, efforts is increased to make sure the manager can’t drop you.

    I am looking forward to the season.

    The fans I speak to are as well and that is the first time we have said that for a few years. The doom and gloom has been lifted.

    The pessimism replaced with realistic optimism.

    This is a bit more like it. A ball has not been kicked yet. No game has been won. No point secured.

    When you sign the quality of players we have, you give yourself a chance of a good season.

    It is all we ask.

  • 204 Belfast // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    Think Martin Trinder is that mad guy who stands outside benton 24/7. He’s like the football version of Bear Grylls

  • 205 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:56 PM

    Blubber Tits,
    You what? Glib tosh for saying a player that would get blown over by a spring breeze is too lightweight?

    There were rumours that Guti was going to buy out his contract on twitter last night. No idea how true they were though. The others we do need shot of, but unless someone comes in then we would have to pay off their contracts to do it, which is cash out anyway.

  • 206 JamesToon // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:56 PM

    Is too much to ask for Richards, Grenier and Lacazette/PEA to complete our transfer window?

  • 207 firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    Riviere has completed his medical…..Chronicle Live

  • 208 JamesToon // Jul 16, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    Lilongwe and pawl

    Daryl Janmaat was voted Feyenoord’s most consistent player last season.

  • 209 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:00 PM


    I think our squad has improved though. You may not.

    As for Shola/Perez, I would take MOST players over him. He is awful, he has no pace, cannot head, cannot pass, cannot run, cannot shoot. I just am bewildered by the fact he has played for a PL team his entire career, or the majority of it.

    He simply has no attributes, no matter what a website says. I have seen him in person the majority of his career, I was at his debut. He was shocking then, he is shocking now.

    The only reason he is given any credit is he scores goals against Sunderland. Hardly an achievement. Although some people who take it a little too serious believe it is all that matters.

    I would take losing against Sunderland every game we play for the next 5 years if it meant CL football.

    Some people lose perspective of what actually matters. The better team finishes higher in the league, end of.

    Just because we won Chelsea last season does not make us a better team. Some would argue that is the case when Sunderland is replaced with Chelsea. You basically get bragging rights for a few weeks.

    Maybe it is because I was born and grew up in South Shields a more neutral area where its very mixed and therefore a group of friends will have several supporters of each.

    Regardless totally went off point, Perez or even Armstrong is better than Shola! If anyone tries to convince me Shola is PL proven I would laugh in their face as he is an average Championship League player at best!

  • 210 JamesToon // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:01 PM

    When will riviere and janmaat be unveiled?

  • 211 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:02 PM

    I would take PEA and/or Hernandez.

    Richards good be an amazing signing or a disaster. He is very injury prone.

    Riviere does not have my vote!

    Grenier in January!

    Talk about wishful thinking!!!

  • 212 JamesToon // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:04 PM

    And does anyone think we still have a chance on Lukaku?

  • 213 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:07 PM


    we saw the best of Janmaat at the WC where Holland played with 3 CB’s and Janmaat was used more as a winger rather than a fullback, and if you are going to have de Jong as a CF then it should have been his younger brother we signed as the one weve got is a midfielder, why play Siem out of position then have a striker sitting on the bench, do you not think we have had enough of that from Pardew ?

  • 214 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:07 PM


    My face and bones would melt if Lukaku came,

    I just do not see that happening. You are talking 20-30m.

    Just no, I love the optimism but no.

  • 215 the truth will out // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    no where near that 15m tops

  • 216 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:11 PM


    Siem actually played up to for Ajax last season.

    He is an attacking player. He does not sit in the midfield.

    Are you going to Pardew him?

    His natural position is behind the striker, but he can be deployed up top. Refer to when most people would have seen him play in that position against Man City in the CL.

    Sissoko is a centre midfielder also.

    Our best set up should be at this time…

    —————– Sissoko — Tiote
    Cabella ———— De Jong ———– Gouffran
    ———————– Cisse

    Baed on the players we do have. Even after Riviere signs I would choose Cisse over him.

    If Cisse is injured I would play De Jong up top.

    It is not “out of position” if he can actually play in that role. Like Sissoko he can play right midfield, but he is better in a central role.

  • 217 JamesToon // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:13 PM

    This will probably never happen but let’s say we got PEA, what would be everyone’s attacking/forward line?

    So for example mine would be:
    _________Sissoko Tiote__________

  • 218 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    the truth will out

    Why do Chelsea need to sell him?

    And why so cheap as 15m?

    Name a player recently they have sold for a loss?

    Ba has just left for 8m, more than he came for and hes older and therefore a bigger risk. Why would they sell Lukaku for less than they paid when he is a better player than the one that signed?

    They could also argue they need him now…

    Costa/Torres/Lukaku being their strikers.

  • 219 JamesToon // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    _________Sissoko Tiote__________

  • 220 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    Your assessment of Shola is laughable mate. Funnily enough every Newcastle manager other than Keegan who wanted to splash cash, including Sir Bobby Robson has wanted him at the club. If as you say he “no pace, cannot head, cannot pass, cannot run, cannot shoot” then the simple facts are he wouldn’t have been a Prem player. He also wouldn’t have played in a World Cup or scored in the Champions League.

    He was never top class, but has been an able deputy and has played through all sorts for the club. He has had injuries, and being behind genuine class acts when it comes to selection which has hampered his career.

    Anyway, on that note, I’m off out. When I get back I guess both signings will be confirmed and we can hopefully move on to the next targets.

  • 221 the truth will out // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    sorry pawl you do not pick the team we have an idiot to do that

  • 222 JamesToon // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:15 PM

    i agree pawl about sissoko and SDJ however if cisse was injured i’d keep SDJ where he was and play riviere.

  • 223 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:18 PM


    —————– Sissoko – Tiote
    Cabella ———– S De Jong ————- Gouffran
    ————————- PEA

    On a note about Riviere reading an article it stated his preferred position is similar to Bellamy behind the striker, a bigger striker to be more precise.

    He likes to receive balls from a knock down from a bigger striker. This is how he played with Falcao in his best game apparenlty against Bordeaux in which he scored a hatrick.

    He likes to run from deep. Apparently he can pass a ball too. And has a major issue for being offside which has frustrated his team mates many times.

  • 224 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:22 PM


    exactly m8, he is an attacking midfielder who’s best position is just behind the striker I totally agree with that, so why then would you have him as the striker, if you play him there which is what you said then you would not get the best out of him, is that not one of Pardew’s biggest errors, look at MYM, yes he can play RB if needs must but he is a CB, yet Siem can play as a CF but he is an attacking midfielder but you won’t to do a Pardew and play him as a CF and then have a CF sitting on the bench, it just doesn’t make sense, yes in emergencies play Siem there by all means, but not when all players are available.

  • 225 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:25 PM

    How many times did PEA play as a CF last season and how many times did he play as a winger ?

  • 226 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM


    I think Bobby thought Shola was Carl Cort…..

    Or thats what apparently he called him.

    Beyond that I would say Shola was a young player. He was very much a back up of a back up at the time Bobby was here.

    After that, I struggle to think managers that preferred him. Infact Keegan nearly sold him before we had injuries we called him back from a medical.

    Shola is an awful player. He 317 apps in the leagues with 53 goals….. and within them apps 24 of them which lead to 10 goals were in the Championship.

    That means his record in the PL was 293 games 43 goals….


  • 227 Toon Tang // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    Cant believe wor Demba has gone to racism central for only 8 mil. Could we not have done something there? Would have been ideal, perhaps not quite up there with strolla but he would have done…

  • 228 Graeme // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    Pawl1250 – Shola’s Prem average of 1 goal every 6.81 games is up there with the best of them mate – almost prolific!!! lol

  • 229 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    I’ll answer my own question, PEA played 44 times as a winger and 4 as a CF, PEA is not an out and out CF as some feel, he is predominantly a winger who can fill in as a CF !!!!!!!!!!!

  • 230 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:35 PM


    Not much difference between a number 10 role and a number 9, or behind the striker to striker.

    Its still central and just slightly more advanced.

    A move from the centre to the wing or in your comparison full back can be a massive difference. It requires total different positioning, moving forward when centre backs especially would not. It requires you to play against generally faster opposition on the wing, and to have traits like crossing.

    If Siem played up top it really would not take much from his game. He can still use his passing attribute to bring players into the game. Infact it maybe refreshing to see a Shearer like player to control a ball and pass the ball whilst under pressure. Aswell as give us presence in the box aerially.

    That would be like saying you have Ronaldo playing behind the striker, but then rather than play him as a front talisman after your best striker is injured you would rather play Shola Ameobi because he is a striker.

    Sometimes you will have a better team for playing a player out of position. Its about when to do that.

    You would not play Ben Arfa or Cabaye upfront. But Siem is capable and has done so effectively.

    Its not the same scenario. If he is a better player than Riviere which I assume he is (I admit I know nothing about this Riviere other than what I hear and read – which in summary does not sound great) and if that is the case you could have a more effective team than putting a lesser player on the pitch.

    Pardew would play Ba or Cisse on the wing, that effects the team.

    Sissoko on the wing, he can do it but you have not seen the best of him.

    Mbiwa as full back it just does not work. He is a centre back.

    All the above are players played centrally moved to a wing like Gerrard for England, no matter how good you are some players simply are not suited for the game they will play. Its a dramtic difference. But playing Gerrard in CDM/CM/CAM would not make much difference other than his role will have a small change from attack/defend.

  • 231 Rotonda heights // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:37 PM


    Obviously my preference would be that MYM stays, even under our idiot manager and that Eric Dier comes in to displace Saylor, Willo or sadly Colo.

  • 232 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:40 PM


    I bet atleast 10 of them were penalties that he scored, and about 6-7? against the mackems.

    In general open play he does not hit the ball into the net, the ball hit him on the way!!!

    It would explain why it actually went into the net, as if it were him aiming for the goal….I MEAN HAVE YOU SEEN HIM AIM? he is that bad!

    Sorry but no one will tell me EVER Shola Ameobi is a good player. Its unbelievable how he has played so many games for us in the PL.

  • 233 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:43 PM


    “not much difference between a number 9 and a number 10”, I do hope you are winding me up as that has got to be one of the most ludicrous statements which I have ever heard, you harp on about Sissoko and MYM which I totally agree with but you then make yourself a hypocryte by saying what you have just said.

  • 234 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:45 PM


    I would play him as a winger when you have Lewandowski in the middle.

    I am sure he used to play as CF in France, and its the main reason he wishes to quite Dortmund as he is not being played in his position.

    Its like saying Sturridge played x amount of times for Chelsea on the wing. He played their because better players played in the middle.

    Just because he has one season out wide does not mean he will play his career in the position.

    Your contradict yourself in fact Siem played upfront more for Ajax in recent times than midfield. Then say he should play in midfield.

    Its like Bale would have never moved from left back, EVER if he were managed under you.

    Henry was a winger before moving to Arsenal? Would you have changed that?

    Sometimes, not always but sometimes players can play in different positions and be better for it. You do not have to be strict all the time.

    CB to FB is a harder transition than any other due to the different role. You could not imagine Kompany flying in the final third out right delivering a ball.

    Yet Gouffran played striker then played on the left/right for us.

    It probably suits him more in the PL.

    Its about when you should and when you shouldn’t do it. No rule says either, its at times common sense.

  • 235 JamesToon // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:46 PM

    IF we sell ben arfa, marveaux, obertan, jonas, and m’biwa and bring in Richards and PEA (along with janmaat and riviere obviously) our squad will be significantly stronger and complete for the new season, and we will have good squad depth for all positions.

    M’Biwa is the only real “loss” out of the players being sold, but i would argue that pardew hardly used him but when he did he was played out of position. Same for HBA he was hardly used, and marveaux jonas and obertan are just a waste of space. If Pardew doesn’t get on with MYM or HBA, so be it, pardew is the manager so let him decide who to replace them with, its good that he’s being backed by ashley. And credit to charnley he’s doing a fantastic job.

    So just maybe this could be our transfer window:

    Cabaye – £19m
    Debuchy – £10m
    Jonas – Free
    Marveaux – £1.5m
    Obertan – £0.5m
    HBA – £4.5m
    M’Biwa – £5.5m
    Total in: £41m

    Janmaat – £5m
    Richards – £5m
    Colback – Free
    SDJ – £7m
    PEA – £10m
    Cabella – £11m
    Riviere – £6.3m
    Perez – £1.6m
    Total spent: £45.9m

    A measly net spend of £4.9m is that too much to ask Mr Ashley? Plus about £60m+ TV money surely you can do that? I’m sure your misses will give you the night of your life if you did that?

  • 236 Jail for Ashley // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:49 PM

    Judging this Rivers bloke on the fact you’ve never heard of him is a bit harsh, you’d never heard of multiple Swedish title winners and once European cup finalists Malmo !

  • 237 Markaccus // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:49 PM

    Sdj has played as AMF, as an out and out 9, and as a no.10 between the two ( his prefered). He has had a high rate of success in each of those positions under different managers playing different styles. Pardew chosing to play him as a 9 at any time is not the same as playing santon as a defensive MF for example.

  • 238 JamesToon // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:51 PM

    Markaccus when ajax drew 2-2 v man city in the CL de jong played CM but he would often interchange with eriksen

  • 239 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:54 PM


    I wasn’t aware that PEA was wanting to move, I was under the impression that Dortmund would listen to offers, and by the way his last season in league 1 was quite evenly split but it was the second half of the season where he really caught the eye and in the last 18 league games 14 were as a winger and only 4 as a CF, and it was those performances on the wing which got him his move to Dortmund.

  • 240 Markaccus // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    James toon.

    Thats my point really. Employing a player in one of his “secondary” positions as quite a bit different to using them completely out of position. Especially if it is the best option at the time to do so. Example, our first choice cf (whoever that will be) is injured…. it is easier to put sdj up there as the next best option, and replace him in the amf/no.10 role with one of a few players we have who can play there, rather than play another CF who is struggling. Sorry if this is a bit long winded

  • 241 Average_Contents // Jul 16, 2014 at 1:57 PM

    He fcuking despises us doesn’t he lmfao! Fat fcuking weirdo

  • 242 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:00 PM


    I don’t doubt that he could fill in but if we want the best out of him then we have to play him as an attacking midfielder, any player could literally play anywhere, you could put Anita in goal if you so wished but if you did then you wouldn’t get the best out of him, and this is what it’s all about, getting the much as you can out of all of them so SDJ should not be getting used as a CF if we can avoid it, surely that is just basic common sense.

  • 243 JamesToon // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:00 PM

    AC he talks such sh1t doesn’t he!!!! “Giroud will only go for 50m” sells him to arsenal for 16m, “cabella is worth 20m” sells to us for 12m. M’Biwa is an ass for choosing newcastle….sigh

  • 244 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:01 PM


    Malmo were before my time in fairness, they were also runner up. Could you honestly name the last 10-20 runner ups in the Europa League/UEFA Cup etc.?

    Without cheating? I doubt it.

    I hardly care about before my time in all honesty 1978-79 was before my time and I am not looking in the past, I rather live in the present and therefore I am talking present.

    Riviere is not based on, I’ve not heard him. As stated I watch the French league, and he has not stood out or played as far as I know for Monaco whenever I have seen them.

    Now albeit thats not concrete evidence of a bad player but its not exactly telling me he is a world class one. I would also base my views of other peoples opinions who have seen him, including the Monaco fans and articles about him in depth.

    He sounds like a very average player, at best. Only going off what I have read. I do not youtube these people as that is not going to tell you about the kind of player he is.

    The most notable article was GFN someone posted on here earlier telling alot about his history as a player and his notable strengths/weaknesses.

    I hope he is a Henry reborn, I do. But I somehow doubt it.

    Hope I am wrong!

  • 245 headtheball // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:02 PM

    My eyes are really tired reading long posts that make no sense.
    Should have gone to Spec Savers.
    Back to a nice short Icelandic Saga for me.

  • 246 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:02 PM


    who despises us more, him or Ashley ????????

  • 247 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:03 PM


    I rather have Mbiwa than Richards.

    I would agree if we sold STaylor for Richards as they are ver much like for like in terms he gets injured. But Richards his head and shoulders a better player.

    Mbiwa atleast can be back up or as stated in my opinion our best centre back if given a significant stint in the first team.

  • 248 Jail for Ashley // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:04 PM

    Malmo are very much in your times and play a CL qualifying tie tonight against Ventspils who we once played.

  • 249 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:05 PM


    I totally agree. Its spoof who says it is.

  • 250 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM


    but in fairness to Riviere, he is behind James and Falcao, and in all honesty is it fair to expect him to be world class when we are only paying £5/6m or something in that region for him, he is quick and strong which are 2 strengths which usually do better in the PL than what they do in Ligue 1, it could be his style rather than his record which is what has caught Carr’s eye which you can understand, lets be open minded and hope he does really well, not too well mind as that may mean him being sold for a profit in January.

  • 251 LGFUAD21 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:10 PM


    I think you are spot on.

    Dont think we’ll play it but with the players we now have we are best suited to play midfielders narrow with proper wingbacks.

    Janmaat –Colo—— Willo– Santon/Haidara

    This type of set up would allow our full backs to bomb forward with the onus on Colback/Anita and Tiote to drop in to their place if needed to protect.

    You rely on the fullbacks for width allowing Cabella and Sissoko and SDJ to find the space in the middle or on the overlap in free roam roles.

    The only worry is getting a cross in from the left could be difficult and we may be heavily biased to the right hand side.

    If we added someone big and strong like Benteke to the mix in the striker role we would then essentially have SDJ, Cabella and Sissoko along with the striker to rely on for the goals. But I really think SDJ can thrive of a big forward.

    Alternatively a diamond could work well with Sissoko on one side and Anita on the other.Tiote Anchoring at the back and Cabella and De Jong supporitng a striker.

  • 252 Average_Contents // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:11 PM


    I think there twins mate,both think alike, look alike and hold the club in disdain bordering on hatred.

    The only noticeable difference being that one slags us off publicly whilst the other doesn’t say anything at all. I’m not sure what’s worse! vile cretins the pair of em!

  • 253 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:11 PM


    Do you know how much I care about that tie?


    Do you know how much I care about Ventspils?


    Its like watching the Brazilian league, its boring. It may have some diamonds within, but my god I could not name all the teams because I have ZERO interest.

    Some people seek knowledge of unknown football teams, I am not one of them.

    I watch most of the bigger leagues, mainly around Europe.

    I think most people would agree that unless Newcastle were playing Malmo they would not care about them?!

    I think you are just trying to be clever and think you are the fountain of all knowledge. I bow down to your superiority for watching or keeping tabs on early stages of the CL, good for you.

  • 254 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:14 PM


    He is not strong. GFN said he struggles to hold the ball up in the French league.

    Why are people trying to get excited about someone who will flop.

    Its like Obertan all over again, you would say he is awful at Man Utd then he is linked to Newcastle and people twist around the fact he is awful and pick out the pace being his attribute and then realize he is awful and say he is awful.

    Hope I am wrong on this occasion, but I just cannot see him being a great player. And hopefully he will not be our main Striker when the window closes?

  • 255 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:15 PM


    back onto PEA, Lewandawski has now gone to Bayern, so if PEA is a natural CF then why having lost Lewandowski are they still prepared to sell him, it’s obvious m8, they want a genuine CF and they know that that is not PEA, sorry m8 but you must agree that you have got this one wrong, just think about, you know that I am right, but so what, nothing wrong with being wrong from time to time, we all are.

  • 256 ITK Beattie25 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:18 PM

    What is going on with Janmaat?

    Someone must be ITK round here!!

  • 257 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:19 PM

    Siem playing in a number 9 role or number 10 role is not a significant difference for his game and the way he plays.

    He is a good finisher, he has a aerial presence. I admit he would be a better player in number 10 role as his passing is excellent, but if he were to play upfront allowing a better team selection without much changing in terms of what he provides the team,

    I am all on board.

    I rather have

    ——————- Colback – Tiote
    Cabella ————- Sissoko ————- Gouffran
    ———————— De Jong


    —————– Sissoko – Tiote
    Cabella ———— De Jong ———— Gouffran
    ———————— Shola

    Just because Shola (I know he has left) is a striker does not make him a better option.

    Riviere is still unproven, and hardly set the world alight in a decent Monaco side.

    What chance does he have in the PL in a Newcastle side some on here deem very average.

  • 258 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:20 PM


    that’s how I would play it as well, it is what I was saying yesterday, play the Terry Venables Christmas tree formation with 3 anchor men who could cover which would allow the 2 fullbacks to give us the width and with both Santon and Janmaat being better when attacking rather than defending it could be a good ploy to hide their weaknesses.

  • 259 Jail for Ashley // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:21 PM

    There’s no need to bow down to me I Googled it, however you claiming that a player can’t be that good because you’ve never heard of him would be you suggesting that it is you who is the ultimate fountain of knowledge.

  • 260 LGFUAD21 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:21 PM


    I dont believe he is available.

    PEA will play off Immobile just like he did Lewandowski

    If PEA leaves it will more likely be something to do with him not wanting to play on the wing, which he has proven he has the pace for.

    PEA is perfectly capable of playing as a CF much like Remy can and Henry did and they were not very strong in the traditional sense. I just dont think he wants to paly on the wing and start intermittently.

    But BVB have a very organised system that they play under Klopp and that systern involves a big CF.

    The smarter move for them would have been to have sold Lewandowski to Arsenal a year ago when he was linked and got Giroud in return.

  • 261 Markaccus // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:24 PM


    I dont disagree that we should use him in his prefered role as much as possible. I am just saying that, since he was almost prolific as a cf, at the moment he would be our second choice foward, with cabella moving into the amf/10 role.

  • 262 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:25 PM

    All this talk about Benteke isn’t he injured for the rest of the season, which means at £16M he would be the stupidest signing we could make given our position!

  • 263 Macas // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:25 PM

    I remember when we signed Bellamy, he came with a decidedly mixed reaction from the Norwich fans and was criticized for being too lightweight and not scoring enough goals.
    I’m not saying Riviere will be as good as Bellamy, but it goes to show you can never really tell how good a player will be until he get a chance to play a few games for us.
    Let’s hope we get a pleasant surprise.

  • 264 LGFUAD21 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:25 PM


    Exactly. I was thinking of the Christmas tree too.

    I think Sissoko as good as he is could be the root of the team not being set up properly.

    He himself seems to fancy himself as a winger or number 10 and I think Pardew does too.

    Deschamps showed how to get the best out of him in an attacking and defensive sense using his power. He looked less exciting for france but more intelligent.

    I worry we could end up with Moussa and Janmaat vying to run into the same space.

    Maybe our failed experiment with 3 at the back was a sign of things to come though. We’ll see it more as time goes on but I think its great how Steve Bruce has set hull up and I never wouldve expected it from him.

    The fact is in Janmaat and Santon with a developing Haidara, we should have the ability to play wingbacks.

    The realy question is, do we put an additional CB in or do we keep 2 at the back and use Tiote to sit in front like Cabaye did for France at the WC.

  • 265 Mister Tuff // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:27 PM

    Folk slagging off Riviere without
    watching him ……………………………………OUT
    Cattle herder from the Heed………………OUT
    Tree Hugger lefties……………………………OUT
    Cabage Heeds……………………………………OUT

  • 266 Mattroge // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:29 PM

    Mbiwa over Richards? Good grief.

  • 267 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:29 PM


    its all sorted with Janmaat, there just holding the announcement back until they announce Riviere as well as a double signing gives a really good impression and helps to sell season tickets, this is not speculation this is fact, I know it to be fact as I dreamt it up myself just a few short hours ago.

  • 268 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:29 PM

    So what’s wrong with lefties you righty!

  • 269 Whumpie // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:33 PM

    Right – just back. Any new players sign while I was out?

    Damn! Damn it all to HELL!!

    I think this last week or two has upped my expectations a smidge unrealistically. 🙂

  • 270 Mister Tuff // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:35 PM

    Champagne socialists owning seaside
    beach house……………………………………..OUT


    Bollinger Bolshevik with coastal hut…..OUT

  • 271 ITK Beattie25 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:35 PM


    If that was the case would they have not flew Janmaat in today and got him and Rivi posing back to back, topless, and oiled up like 2 gods.

    It stinks I tell ya.

    Why make a double announcement for players signed at different times when they were happy to announce Cabella, Ayoze and Colback separately.

    What we need is an ITK.

  • 272 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:36 PM


    Who said Mbiwa over Richards?

    If you refer to my comment, please read it all.

    I simply said STaylor would be the better option to sell as Mbiwa is not as injury prone.

    Imagine a defence


    With past records of Richards, STaylor, and Coloccini for injury we would have one fit centre back.

    Would it not make more sense to sell STaylor. Whom Richards is better than and Mbiwa is better than.

    Then you have



    Oh dear, someone clearly did not read the post.

  • 273 ITK Beattie25 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:37 PM

    Has a player ever been photographed posing with the club shirt inside the stadium only for the deal to be cancelled shortly after?

  • 274 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:38 PM


    tricky, very tricky, if it could work I think I would go for just the 2 CB’s with Sissoko, Tiote and Colback in front of them I would think that we would have the personnel to cover the FB’s, the problem I have with 3 CB’s ( apart from not having 3 of them ) is that to often against even average teams all it takes is for the opponents to play long diagonal balls to the corners and your wing backs become FB’s and you have a five man defence which offers little to no chance going forward, whereas with 3 holding midfielders it’s not as easy to be forced back defensively because even when the wing backs are defending it is still a 4-3-2-1

  • 275 Graeme // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:41 PM

    Riviere has passed his medical – just announces on SSN.

  • 276 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:45 PM

    I call it now Riviere will be an average player.

    In regards to PEA

    He will be a much more effective CF. If he can score goals on the wing, he can score goals in the centre.

    From my understanding I was reading articles and Dortmund are looking to sell him as he is unsettled about playing out of position.

    It was a good few weeks back, but still I am sure a post was made on this blog of a similar mold.

    Bottom line, if we get him he is good enough to player centre forward. Period. He has an eye for goal, he has pace.


    Your logic would be that if you bought Henry when Wenger did you would play him in midfield on the right…..

    You would have played Bale at left back.

    You would play Gouffran up front as a striker.

    Toure as CDM.

    Sometimes, a player can be played out of position, adapt and be better for it. All the above show that is true.

    Milner had a cracking time in centre midfield for Villa, yet he can also play on the right.

    Infact I THINK, I am not certain but I do THINK Colbacks natural position is behind the striker. During his loan to Leeds he certainly played well in the role according to Leeds fans.

    Sometimes and it can happen also i.e. Mbiwa playing RB it can be a complete disaster, almost as dumb as playing Kompany RB if someone ever did that!

  • 277 firebug666 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:46 PM

    Maybe after the photographs of Janmaat were published yesterday before Newcastle got to make their official announcement they have taken the huff and are making us wait.

  • 278 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:46 PM


    on a serious note I have at the beginning of this thread aired my concerns, I can’t honestly think why they would delay it, someone said there is a press conference at 5, maybe we will find out then, but it does seem to be very odd. What is even stranger is that the last I heard there were 1 or 2 minor issues to sort out but Janmaat has gone back home, well if there were issues to sort and he has gone back home then how could he have signed the contract, but if the issues have been sorted and he then signed then why not announce it, like I say, it all seems a bit odd, sorry but I can’t help you m8, I’m as puzzled as you are !

  • 279 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:49 PM

    My opinion

    Hernandez would be the next signing.
    Richards too.

    Ben Arfa

    If possible.

    ——————– Krul
    Janmaat- Mbiwa – Richards – Santon
    ———— Sissoko – Tiote
    Cabella ——S De Jong —– Gouffran
    —————– Hernandez

    1. Elliot
    2. Haidara
    3. Coloccini
    4. Colback
    5. Anita
    6. Riviere
    7. Cisse

    Two signings and better for it. WONT HAPPEN. But one can hope.

  • 280 Spoof // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:51 PM


    players can change positions and become better players for it, of course they can, but the thing is both SDJ and PEA have played CF but then found that they are more effective elsewhere, so why then put them back to a position where they may be good but not in a position where they could be better than good, I honestly can’t understand why you have such a problem with this.

  • 281 Bambams // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:51 PM

    Sky have stated rivvy has signed.

    I am like others concerned about Janmaat….

    whats going on ?

  • 282 clinath@ed // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:52 PM

    Don’t normally put team formations on here, but I’ll bite…

    ………………….Sissoko………De Long………….Cabella

  • 283 clinath@ed // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:54 PM

    well that looks ridiculous, not my formation (of course) but how it looks on screen…

  • 284 LGFUAD21 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:56 PM


    Very interesting point actually.

    The reality is we are a striker and CB short of a team with a lot of possibilities. A very tactical coach would probably relish the challenge now with the number of ways we can be set up to play.

  • 285 clinath@ed // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:57 PM

    ….now I know why I don’t post these things.
    3_5_1_1 or 3_5_2
    …who the Fck is De long?

  • 286 LGFUAD21 // Jul 16, 2014 at 2:59 PM


    You talk like it is a case of Riviere vs PEA when it’s really not.

    PEA moving from BVB is a rumour at best at this time. And with his record were he available at a cut price im sure a team in Europe would pick him up given how many were interested in him before he went to Dortmund. Not to mention his wages and own ambitions.

    There is far more info from credible source saying that we are in teh market for another striker after Riviere (so he may not be first choice). Than there is to suggest we are going after PEA.

    PEA would be a great signing but there isnt much point when you are blending hopeful dreams and reality in the same context. It makes no sense.

    Now if you were to debate Gomis against Riviere that would as we know we were linked with him from credible sources.

  • 287 pawl250 // Jul 16, 2014 at 3:00 PM


    Because both are not “worse off” in that position. They have also not been in that position in the PL for Newcastle.

    Why do you seem to have a problem understanding?

    If PEA wants to leave because he prefers a central role, would you and you wisdom not go for him because he in your eyes is a winger?

    Sturridge played out wide for Chelsea for nearly two seasons, was he better for it? Or did he kick a fuss for a central role, play for Liverpool in the centre and manage to have 43 games and 31 goals?

    Sometimes a player knows his position…. Like Sissoko keeps saying he prefers behind the striker. What right do you, me and whoever else have to say no he is not good in that position?!

    I prefer him as a CM/CDM.

  • 288 JamesToon // Jul 16, 2014 at 3:02 PM

    Bambams janmaat is virtually completed NUFC just want to unveil him and riviere at the same time

  • 289 Wandering Geordie // Jul 16, 2014 at 3:07 PM

    Shola Ameobi off to NewYork Red Bulls to partner Thierry Henry…Jeez

  • 290 JrReps // Jul 17, 2014 at 5:50 AM

    ——————————–Krul———————————————————-M’Biwa—————-Collocini—————————Janmaat—————————————————–Santon————————-Sissoko————-Tiote———————————-Cabella———————de Jong—————-HBA——————————————–Riviere————————————-

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