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Newcastle Midfielder Considers Leaving The Club

11:36 am, Monday, July 21st, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 136 Comments

When Gael Bigirimana arrived at Newcastle two years ago from Coventry, and then played 25 times with one goal in his first season, which included playing 10 times in the Europa league, it looked like Newcastle had signed a gem for only £1M, and he would quickly go on to become a Newcastle regular in the side.

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Gael Bigirimana – considers leaving Newcastle

But it shows just how fragile football careers can be – especially for youngsters – and last season Gael seemed to disappear – and a lot of the absence was caused by injury, and he ended up playing only one game for Newcastle and then last week he was left out of the squad that went to New Zealand.

However, its not the end of the world for Gael – and he should remember that James Perch was left out of the squad that flew to America three years ago, but in the following season James still played 28 times for Newcastle and made a significant contribution to Newcastle finishing 5th top of the Premier League.

This is what Gael has said today:

“I don’t know. It depends on how the manager sees you.” “Things were looking brighter, but things can change quickly.¨  “Sometimes you find yourself at the top of the world in football, and very soon you find yourself at the bottom of the world.¨

“If the manager doesn’t see you in his plans, then there’s nothing you can do but see if you can get some games and see what the future holds.¨

“I’m not a person that goes around and says this or that if the manager has changed his mind. If he has, that’s his decision.¨ “I’m not going to say ‘why this?’ and ‘why that?’.¨

“Football’s like that. You’ve got to be strong. You just have to go somewhere where you can get games.”

Gael will have to see how things go in pre-season, but if nothing much changes then maybe the best thing would be for Gael to go out on loan – even for the season – to get some regular first team games.

But there’s still a decent chance that Gael can make it at Newcastle, and after all last season, he couldn’t quite get going with (all) the injuries he picked up.

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136 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Sliema // Jul 21, 2014 at 11:38 AM

    Such a shame. There must be a reason for him to fall out of favour like this.

  • 2 dufuss // Jul 21, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    yes a poor excuse for a ham shanker of a manager

  • 3 BruceBore // Jul 21, 2014 at 11:55 AM

    The simple reason is that he’s not good enough. Having seen him regularly for the u21 side, it’s difficult to see him playing at the required level for the first time. At this stage of his development he should be running games for the u21s – he doesn’t. He plays too many sideways and backward passes. He’s had a couple of years but sometimes it’s time to move on.

  • 4 BruceBore // Jul 21, 2014 at 11:56 AM

    It should read: “…first team…” not “first time”. Typing fingers clearly not working.

  • 5 ethiotoon // Jul 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM

    Must go out on loan..
    See how he develops..
    No change,then got to go and replaced..

  • 6 Scottiedog // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:00 PM

    Give him a year out on loan with a top championship side and then decide at the end of the season!?!?!

  • 7 firebug666 // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    I would suggest getting him out on loan, letting him train with a new team and manager and see if he improves, If there is no improvement get rid and replace him.

    It’s a shame because he look the business when he first arrived, maybe he still needs time to get over his injury on a Physiological level before he can start getting stuck in again.

    Hope he can come good again.

  • 8 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    Gael, I wouldn’t worry about it. It’s not you, it’s our calamity of a manager.

    Mascherano wasn’t in favour either and he plays for Barca now and had a great World Cup.

    Puppets with saw dust for brains OUT.

  • 9 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:06 PM

    A lot of questions need answering here, firstly his attitude, yes he has ability and he did do very well but football is all about how you respond to knock backs, now due to injury he has fell down the pecking order but it is up to him to get back to where he was and to even consider throwing away an opportunity to play for the biggest club outside of the top 6 because of how he handled the knock back is atrocious, he really needs to take a good long look at himself and give himself a shake then get back onto the pitch and make it impossible for Pardew not to select him.

    The second big question is why has Pardew and his team sat back and allowed this state of mind to develope, the kid has has a nightmare of late due to injuries and at his tender age the gaffer should be like a father figure and nurture him out of this period in away which tells the lad that he has a future with us, you can’t just abandon him and leave him alone to fend for himself, what a pair of knackers they are, Bigi, cut with the tears and force youway back in as you are good enough to do it and Pardew, ffs man he’s a kid, give him some help, he obviously needs it.

  • 10 Belfast // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:08 PM

    Pardewed

  • 11 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    I called this one a mile away (the article that is)

  • 12 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    Bruce I can’t agree their m8, he played for the first team and showed more than enough ability, and as for side and back passes then yes that would be the case as he is a holding midfielder, I often complain when Tiote tries to move forward as it’s not his game and he is useless, Tiote should win it and pass to someone who can do something with the ball, the same applies to Bigi but he knows this already and does what he should be doing, keeping it simple by making sure that we keep the ball.

  • 13 deeps // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    Man United agree 16 million deal for Hummels.. :/
    Wtf…only 16 million for one of the best young defenders :/

  • 14 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    Take a hard look at the club structure and management…

    then it’s no wonder to same players either don’t develop or recline!

    *players of course hold a responsibility as well, but I wouldn’t want to work on these conditions, not even if I was one of Parpuh’s favorites (though I would be picked all the time, but I won’t really progress like I should)

  • 15 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    *then it’s no wonder some players

  • 16 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:17 PM

    jesper

    lets not get into the age old debate about players progressing and Pardew as it never goes anywhere, some have failed just as players fail at every other club in the country have failed, but certainly we have had many who have improved and prospered, so can we please not get into the now boring

  • 17 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:17 PM

    Bigi had some promising games and for such a young ages, he should be able to develop and improve in the right setup.

    Developing here though is like water in the desert. A rare find.

  • 18 ethiotoon // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:18 PM

    Don’t u think there is a problem in coaching stuff around the academy?
    May be it’s the time to import academy
    Coach from France or Holland. They tend to have better knowledge in cracking out potentials of young players, than the ones
    From England or Scotland..

  • 19 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:19 PM

    Pardew is the worst at everything comments as he simply isn’t.

    don’t know what happened there, my post got submitted halfway through typing it ?

  • 20 Rotonda heights // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    Ancient

    No problem with comprehension at all pal. But you are basing him staying fit on what ?

    carroll has offered liverpool and west ham what exactly? he didn’t function in either Rodgers passing football or allardyce’s hoofball.

    Take the black and white specs off and realise there are way better, injury free goal scorers out there.

  • 21 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    Spoof…it seems we so often now hear of players either being cast away or not progressing.

    *of all the subjects on here lately I believe this one is of importance – especially with Ashley and Parpuh talking about CL and being educated about it. Wouldn’t you say)

  • 22 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM

    …especially when they are being nothing of the kind!

  • 23 Kris // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM

    Thank you so much, Silema! :)

  • 24 Rotonda heights // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM

    ethio

    we need technical foreign coaching staff but most of all it needs to come down from the manager. I bet AP’s coaching sessions are a joke.

    As for Bigi, if ever there was a case of being ”pardewed” it’s right there.

  • 25 pawl250 // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:23 PM

    Bigi was a promising prospect but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

    1. He did not really say he is looking to leave, he said he wants some game time.

    2. I think he needs to be a back up right now. You cannot say he warrants a first team place based on what we have seen so far? Baring in mind you have the likes of Anita and Colback who must be ahead in the picking order.

    3. He should go on loan to a competitive team in the Championship if he is not going to be used. He was bought for just under £1m, surely he warranted the fee.

    4. If Bigi was our main midfielder, who for me at this time looks abit lightweight for his position in the PL, then alot of people on here would be in uproar. He has potential but he is not the finished article and clearly needs to adapt certain elements of his physical side to make it in the PL.

  • 26 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:24 PM

    Spoof…now your comment makes sense mate ;) lol

    …this is not about Parpuk being the worse as you can read – it’s about casting some colors on this black and white discussion that always seem to fall back on players attitude, when the main problem seems to be something else.

    *You cannot cure something if you don’t know what the problem is. So find the problem and eliminate it.

  • 27 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:25 PM

    * Parpuk = Parpuh (even though that other name is fitting)

  • 28 pawl250 // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:26 PM

    Ethio

    Replaced? He hardly even made the bench last season, why would he need replaced?

    Its not like he was a starter or even first choice back up, or even back up for the back up.

    Last season it was

    Tiote – Cabaye

    Then Anita, Then Gosling

  • 29 G // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    The kid looks every inch like a man who will thrive in the prem (when he isn’t injured anyway). Yes, I agree he looks a little lightweight, but his game suggests he carries a lot of strength. A loan move would be the best option to the kid. Offer him to one of the teams who went down last season and looks like they are ambitious enough to bounce right back (Fulham would look like the ideal gig) for a year, and see how it pans out.

  • 30 Rotonda heights // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    spoof

    The only players who have done well under pardew are players who already had substantial reps behind them at other clubs and ultimately couldn’t wait to get away quick enough, namely ba, cabaye and debuchy.

    Hard to think of any youngsters pardew has developed at all. Dummet is championship at best, while Bigirimana, Abeid etc have just been criminally under developed.

    More to the point whoever is the latest flavour of the month ie Armstrong appear to do nothing when given a chance, often in short cameos played out of position by our super cautious manager.

  • 31 Mister Tuff // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    Expat – following my bit about the effects of khat -well that was a bit cheeky when you posted:-
    expatmag // Jul 21, 2014 at 11:22 AM
    Tuff
    Speaking from experience, were you?
    You had previosly posted (really bragged without any foundation) the following:-

    expatmag // Jul 21, 2014 at 8:36 AM
    “Reminds me of what the wife said to me on saturday night during an evening of passion:
    Cut out the long balls and effect more penetration and you will score a screamer in the top corner……lol
    After extra time, i did a lap of honour……lol”.

    I now think that with your bluster and bragging about you boudoir activities (clearly evidenced by your
    hallucinations of boudoir prowess) that it is you that has been consuming illegal mind blowing drugs.
    I could however be mistaken if you still drink an excess of your favourite tipples -Babycham and weak shandies
    (as you did when you lived in the Heed).
    I think the order of the day would be for you to visit your family doctor -who probably prescribe some legaldrugs to get you back on track with the ladies (perhaps viagra and the like).

  • 32 Sliema // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    There are plenty of things to criticise Pardew for. But this is not one of them. This happens with 90% of all young players, they don’t quite make it to the final level.

    How many young lads has Fergie tried to bring through or signed young in recent years, they pop on the scene, play a couple of stormers, then disappear into the abyss.

    Macheda, Campbell, Fabio, Bellion, Kleberson, Djemba Djemba, OBERTAN, that winger (Chris?) who thought he was the next Ronaldo.

    Sh!t happens.

  • 33 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:35 PM

    jesper

    but when it comes to this debate there are too many who point blank refuse to accept or acknowledge that Guthrie was great under Pardew, but where is he now, Cabaye leaving was twice the player he was when joining as was Debuchy, remember Debs first half season and the following summer where most were wanting him sold as he was terrible, Ba had the best time of his career under Pardew, Saylor when injury free got called into the England squad, Colo even though I did not feel he deserved it got into the PL team of the year, Willo is twice if not thrice the player he was before Pardew ( still not good mind ), but like I say these lads get forgotten or we get the now legendary remark that they were so good they would have made it anyway, yet the lads who have failed were equally as good as those who done well but they have been Pardewed, respond if you like jesper but I apologise in advance as I will not make another response not out of ignorance but out of frustration as the against Pardew side is so obviously wrong but will never give a reasonable response to what I say, like I say I do apologise but I am sick to death of the silly comments, not from yourself mind as I was speaking generally and I am certainly not having a pop at yourself.

  • 34 Rotonda heights // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM

    jazzyP from last thread

    No one??

    I was very happy to get 36M for someone whom was rumoured to be very injury prone with an unhealthy off feld lifestyle for a professional athlete.

    it was the right call then and what’s changed since?

    36M was the best bit of business ever and meant with a big target man gone we could try and play football. Of course forgot we had pardew as manager!!

  • 35 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:37 PM

    with that I think I will take the dogs for a walk, I love these dogs as they are great at taking me away from the heat of the fire lol

  • 36 Mister Tuff // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:37 PM

    Ref; Bigi – of all the youngsters on the Toons’ books over the years Bigi has really looked the part. His first game showed absolutely no nervousness on the big stage -for a lad of his years. Seemed to me to be a natural -with a good “engine”. He just was not phased at all by playing with established pro’s. Also from the interviews he’s done -he seems to be very level headed. He needs to be looked after and developed. I hope he has not already been pardewed.

  • 37 pawl250 // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    Silema

    But then you have the times you drop a player and he does it make it elsewhere

    Chelsea > Matic
    Man Utd > Pogba, Pique, Rossi

    No manager is perfect for sure, but I do think Bigi was our brightest prospect the season we relied alot on youth when in EL.

    I do think he deserved more playing time last season. I would use him when possible in this years team, especially when injuries occur.

    Surely the pecking order must be

    Sissoko – Tiote

    Colback
    Anita
    Bigi

    I know thats a distance down the order, but as I said if he goes on a loan up to Christmas we could always make do until his return and keep him if desperate, or if he makes an impact on wherever he goes.

  • 38 nufc 11 // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    It has to be something the amount of young player that fail to make the grade is crazy is it Newcastle as a City when they move up north they are treated like starts around the city they think they more than they are, they dont have to put the effort in anymore what is it? the whole thing needs a shake up siad it before the coaching at the club is way under standard even up to John Carver heads should have rolled after last seasons fiasco surely the coaching staff could see HBA gaining weight last season? they must have a Mcdonalds in the Canteen, Players probably allowed come in hungover too and smoke on the sidelines in training standards are shocking at the club… I always remmber AP saying when NUFC were in Tenerife on a short break 1 1/2 ago “There will be no drinking or partying on this trip its a get together warm season training thats all” the next day pictures circulated on Facebook of all the players and AP at linekers Celebrating ST B.day Pissed outta their heads I can just imagine the stuff that went on last season any other manager and back room staff would have got the door without a reference either.

  • 39 Rotonda heights // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:39 PM

    Spoof

    is that the cabaye who won the league with Lille and played CL most seasons? it took genius pardew 3 seasons to finally work out his best position!! Some people can still succeed in spite of pardew not because of him.

  • 40 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    Spoof…no problem mate! Point taken.

  • 41 Sliema // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    Pawl

    I agree completely. I like Bigi, I think he has a lot of talent and it’s still early days!

    I just disagree with people refusing to consider anything other than “he’s been pardewed” … Ugh, sometimes we must look like we are absolute morons to the rest of the footballing world.

  • 42 pawl250 // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    In regards to Carroll if we are willing to pay 10-12m for him, then why not pay 10-12m on Benteke. Or push the boat for PEA or even Lukaku.

    Now I do not think we will ever get Lukaku it just wont happen, but if 17m buys you someone of his quality, then keep it in the bank instead of Carroll and get the extra 5m to invest in a better player, who is not always injured.

    35m was a fluke for him, and it cleared the debts from the previous season in the Championship. People often ask where the money went but we made a 32-33m loss in the Championship relegation season, and Carroll balanced that loss.

    It was never re invested in more talent. Clearly since then we have done so when players go out, we tend to bring them in. Just sometime takes longer than most clubs ;)

  • 43 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    RH

    YAWN YAWN YAWN, so good players can’t get better can they not, YAWN YAWN YAWN.

    Bentley, Molly, come on, WALKIES !!!!!!!!

  • 44 Rotonda heights // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:44 PM

    spoof

    balance it against all the ones he’s written off, ostracised or failed to develop, it’s a very long list my friend and not just here either.,

    off the top of my head

    B Arfa
    Marveaux
    MYM
    Obertan,
    Bigirimana
    Abeid
    Jonas

    just for starters

  • 45 Rotonda heights // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    spoof

    sorry boring you, but hey don’t let the facts get in the way eh? S—e manager and you and the world knows it. No ifs, buts or excuses please.

  • 46 pawl250 // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    Silema

    I totally agree, I have said many times Pardew is an average manager, abit of a fossil really.

    And yet I do not always take the easy option to blame him for all negative news to come from the club.

    I totally agree with his stance on Ben Arfa his attitude has been shocking most of last season, this is just one extra thing to add to the list. And that is why Pardew is doing whatever he feels is right regarding Ben Arfa.

    In regards to Bigi, I think again he has handled it well. Just needs to maybe get abit more experience if he wont get many opportunities. I think Bigi is not looking to leave, just stating the above, wanting some game time.

  • 47 dazzler // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    The whole debate about Pardew is boring. There are a few players he has improved. Williamson/Perch//Guthrie etc, but the players such as Ba, Cabaye et al only started to play their best football when they decided they wanted out. Cabaye was average for two seasons, people valued him way higher than he deserved to be, give me Rob Lee or Speed any day!!

    I get the impression that Pardew is scared to player the youngsters. Maybe it’s a fear that if they do well, and earn the love of the fans then Ashley will sell them, and Pardew will be blamed. After Carroll you could probably say that would be a legitimate fear.

    That doesn’t change the fact that Pardew is not good enough for this club and the style of players we have. Give him a Hull and I think he would have done as good as Bruce last season. Unless he changes the style of football, and addresses the mistakes of last season then he’s going to be the victim of a hell of a lot of abuse from the stands.

  • 48 Rotonda heights // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:49 PM

    Sliema

    but s–t happens more regularly under this goon

  • 49 ethiotoon // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    pawl250
    Didn’t get your point ?

  • 50 Mister Tuff // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:53 PM

    Players Fergie signed – pop the scene or fall into the abyss -including Obertron.
    So the abyss Obertron fell into was SJP.
    Old red nose “pardewed” Percy Parsnip on the Obertron signing.

  • 51 Sliema // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:53 PM

    RH

    Benny? Possibly, but he’s his own worst enemy.
    Marv – he’s a poor player. He’s shown nothing.
    Mbiwa – still at the club, first season in the prem, he’s young, he won’t be sold.
    Obertan – you’re clutching there mate, he was shocking under Fergue too. Not Pards fault.
    Bigi – nothing has even happened! He’s still here, just disappointed to not play enough games. You can’t play more than 11 players at once mate. There’s a pecking order.
    Abeid? We haven’t even seem him yet! He went on loan, now he’s back, we’ll see.
    Jonas? What? I can’t even find a reply to that. He did a job for a while, then he got old.

    Oh man. If you could have given some real examples then I’d have agreed and respected that. But now you look stupid!!! Hahaha!

    What a pathetic few examples. You’ve proved Spoof right! :D hehehe.

  • 52 pawl250 // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    RH

    Jonas hardly was Pardews fault, he in many ways got the best out of him. He has never had the ability to deliver a final ball, and instead his grit and determination on the left, were we are weaker defensively especially the season RTaylor was out on the left, and in the end it was a big reason we looked abit more solid.

    Ben Arfa will never develop due to his attitude. He is basically a waste of talent. He could be a better player, but sometimes players are just not interested. He is like Ravel Morrison, gifted but near impossible to work with.

    Marveaxu, because a FREE injury prone average player that no one else wanted is an amazing player that has been Pardewed? Mourinho could have had him at Chelsea and he would still be sh*te

    Bigi is young, and still has time to develop.

    Obertan played under Fergie and flourished so much he was let go on the cheap to eventually sit on our bench cos he is simply a poor player.

    MYM is the only argument you have. And I think the only reason he has not been given a chance is because MYM and Colo lack height. If it had been the case Colo was the height of Williamson I think he would be in every week. I agree with you in MYM case though, he just needs a chance and time to show his worth.

    Other than that I think you are wearing biased specs in you blind hatred towards Pardew. He is an average limited manager, but not every player you buy or look to progress ends up being the next big thing as Silema said. Sometimes players are not good enough. Wenger, Mourinho, Fergie basically any manager has flops. Pardew is no exception.

  • 53 dazzler // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    The thing with Obertan is, if he could cross, and make a run whilst taking the ball with him, he would be lethal. The issue is his eagerness to show how fast he is makes him a really s*** winger. Someone should teach him how to finish and make him a striker. He’s tall, fast and has a massive heed so should beat everyone in the air!! :)

  • 54 Sliema // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    RH

    I thought you were a decent blogger mate. I thought your opinion was quite solid and well-backed up. Oh well.

  • 55 Ancientcoptic // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    Pawl “I totally agree with his stance on Ben Arfa his attitude has been shocking most of last season.”

    Unless

  • 56 Ancientcoptic // Jul 21, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    Pawl “I totally agree with his stance on Ben Arfa his attitude has been shocking most of last season.”

    Unless you have been taking training sessions, how do you know this? Do you have any evidence of Ben Arfa having a bad attitude?

  • 57 Ancientcoptic // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:01 PM

    Let me guess, Ben Arfa didn’t track back enough for your liking in a few games; therefore the player has a bad attitude and must be sold. Or are we going on rumours from the Daily Mail etc here?

  • 58 pawl250 // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:05 PM

    Ancient

    My colleague knows several of the younger players at Newcastle. I have stated this several times.

    He still spends time with them after playing them at youth level. And yes I have seen him with them on the Town if you need further evidence of him actually playing with them.

    Without going into too much detail his father is also good friends with Beardsley and the reason Streetes development stopped was because he was spending too much time with Ranger before he left. He thought the sun shined out of his a***. Anyway off point.

    Based on what he told me they have said Ben Arfa and Marveaux have the worst attitude in the squad. They walk around like they are untouchable. They have no time for younger players and never put extra work into their game, always last to arrive and first to leave.

    Choose whether you wish to believe this. But last year Benny was trying to cause a divide in the dressing room, and hence caused issues leading him to fall out with Pardew.

  • 59 croftus5678 // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:06 PM

    hmm so realistically before everyone jumps on the bandwagon my view of bigi is ;

    the lad came in with real promise and he has not lost that ability and has got better while at our club.

    the reason he wasnt played last season imo was he was absolute garbage for just over the first half of the season and was being outplayed by the likes of gosling and even mbabu ect who deserved to be ahead of him in the pecking order at the time.

    he started to find form from then on steadily improving but at a slow but steady rate to the point where he ended the season one of the most improved all round players that deserves a chance in the 1st team again !

    sadly due to such a late showing of his skills the seasons over though and time for everyone to jump on the fact that he should have been played ect when it really didnt work that way and us fans would have turned on bigi and his dismal performances if he had of played.

    imo he’s a must keep as he’s my england hope and really is a very very good player if he can only learn off sissoko and give the lad some cup games this season.

  • 60 expatmag // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:07 PM

    Tuff

    No need for drugs here mate and as you well know, my favourite tipple back in Low Fell (the posh end of the heed) was a decent pint of exhibition.

    When you are married to a young russian bombshell 22 years younger than yourself, there is absolutely no need for drugs to increase the libido. She has her own wonderous ways.

    By the way. How is the gorgeous C these days? I heard a sainthood was coming her way for putting up with you all these years…….lol

    Now…..get back to your decorating

  • 61 pawl250 // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    Me and Sliema

    Pretty much on the same page.

    I would prefer a new manager in all honesty, I think Pardew and his tactics are limited and we will not progress further under him. He has basically reach the heights of EL and I cannot see us even repeating that under him.

    Thats not to say I think everything is his fault, I just think as a manager we could have a better one, that will play more towards the squad as a whole strengths.

    No more hoof ball.

    And certain players should play in their better positions. I can understand standing in if needed i.e. Sissoko on the right, or even MYM on right if desperate times require desperate measures, but we need to get the better players on the pitch in their preferred positions.

  • 62 expatmag // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:11 PM

    Basically, if we keep loaning out our kids and ostracising our senior players, we are going to have no bugger left to fill in when injuries and suspensions kick in

  • 63 Ancientcoptic // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:11 PM

    Fair enough, Pawl. Talented players can be known to be quite arrogant, it depends what way you view the game as to whether that is seen as a problem or not.

    Some managers can work with players like that, others cannot be bothered.

  • 64 Macas // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM

    Rotonda – So where did Cabaye play for France then at the World Cup? He also used to play a large number of games in a deeper role before he signed for us. Personally I preferred him playing higher up but Pardew used him no differently to other managers he has had.

  • 65 Mister Tuff // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:16 PM

    I wonder why, if Obertron was shocking under ol red nose why Percy signed him.
    Some folk deny the facts a bout this signing in order to bolster their pro Percy stance -or put it another way to re-invent history to suit their arguments.
    This signing was just recently been discussed on the blog as it has been over the last couple of years. I recall posting a couple of years ago quotes from Carr distancing himself from theis signing -and just in the last couple of days one poster revaled how this transfer really happened -it was Percy who rang ol red nose up asking if Obertron was available. If members of the blind faith brigade want to deny history/the facts well there is not much we can do about that -apart from having a doubtful viewpoint about other things they post.

  • 66 jimmysmith // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:17 PM

    You know, I tend to think Ashley does want success for Newcastle, just doesn’t want to go mental about it. Fair enough, don’t fancy Wonga all that much, or all the free advertising for SD particularly or the austerity we’ve been subjected to in the transfer market, but if that’s the nature of the beast, then we ark up when he steps out of line, as we did last season, to keep him honest, and maybe, just maybe, well get somewhere.

    Let’s face it, what we’ve had in the past just plain didn’t cut it. Ashley is probably no dope, we just shouldn’t always take it lying down.

  • 67 G // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:23 PM

    Always nice when you come onto the blog after a meeting and find a full scale bunfight where nobody leaves with their pride in place. Nice guys, nice.

  • 68 Average_Contents // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:26 PM

    The pardspew argument? Again?

    Regardless if people don’t want to blame him for everything but others do….at the the end of the day I don’t think anyone disagrees that he should not be at this club! (maybe the khet abuser?)

    He’s shite! End of lol

  • 69 LGFUAD21 // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:26 PM

    I dont think it’s Bigi’s fault.

    Our academy is hopeless.

    We struggle to secure decent loans for our youngsters because we have failed to produce many noteworthy players at all.

    I think we need to import foreign coaches to work on the game. I cant imagine the current staff do much more than a high school PE teacher. Everyone gets a gold star for effort regardless of whether you have shown an understanding of the game.

  • 70 pawl250 // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:28 PM

    Mister Tuff

    So if its a decent signing its Carr and his amazing technicolor dreamcoat….

    If its a bad signing its Pardews?!

    Bottom line. The club signed him. I am not saying I know who pushed for it, because clearly you do not know also.

    BUT Carr did not sign every gem and Pardew every flop.

    If you think that then you are just as biased as the Pardew lovers who think he can do no wrong.

    As I have said. He is a limited manager, I would like a new one. But I do not blame him for every negative thing relating to the club like some on here.

    I think he does the best he can. Again its limited, but I do not feel he is sabotaging the club or wasting players potential.

    Good players will get in the team. Every manager has their favorites you will question but bottom line is they do not sit and think “how will I lose this game” they want to win the game so think the complete opposite.

    I am not saying what Pardew does is right, or in many respects its simply not I would do.

    If I was manager I am sure some on here would question my decisions, as much as I could and would potentially question their own.

    He does what he feels is best. As stated its not wrong, just we do not agree with it.

  • 71 Average_Contents // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    Lgf

    Totally agree mate….jobs for the boys springs to mind

  • 72 The next Mike Williamson // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    Last season Dummettt was the only player under 21 to start a game. That was in a season where we had a very small squad, injuries, and a 10 plus game run with nothing to play for an nothing to lose by playing youths. Pardew opted to use Gosling & Shola.

    He has no vision and does not think ahead to our future. All he looks at is trying to win or draw the next game. (Take one game at a time) He has never and will never risk playing inexperienced players. He fears they won’t follow out his dire defensive orders.

  • 73 Average_Contents // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:39 PM

    Another thing to consider is “if” we did get these coaches in, who do they then take direction off regarding the way to progress them? My guess would be percy and if that’s the case then it’s a pointless exercise as he hasn’t a clue himself!

    Good clubs and managers have an ethos of how they want the academy’s and under-21’s to play so they are ready for the first team!

  • 74 ilovetoon8788 // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    I have absolutely no confidence whatsoever in Pardew’s development of our youths.

    He doesn’t give ANY games at all to our youths even during periods where we have plenty of games.

    Or he brings them on for the last 3 minutes. He really should take a leaflet out of SAF booklet and see how he pushes players through.

    There’s no excuse in bringing Brigimana through to the first in especially when he has scored a goal there.

  • 75 Average_Contents // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:43 PM

    By “them” I meant the players to progress not the coaches lol

  • 76 G // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:44 PM

    Our academy seems no better, or no worse than many prem teams at present to me. Recent academy products include Andy Carroll (Not great, but fantastic pricetag), SamiObi (Jury is still out if he stops diving), Dummett (Not sure about him if I’m honest). It looked like we had a really nice set up under Glenn Roeder until some idiot made him manager. I would happily take the man back to sort our academy, his track record working with kids is first class (Joe Cole, Frank Lampard, Michael Carrick, Jermaine Defoe). To be fair, not many academies knock out more than one first teamer a year.

  • 77 LGFUAD21 // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:44 PM

    Just read an article which seemed to criticise the fact we sell players on at a profit. Thought I’d share my response here.

    This article almost seems critical of the policy?

    Granted I dont rate the managerial or coaching set-up and I think there is a lot to be desired about how the club is run but the policy itself is not the problem.

    I actually think it has been more conscious than people think.

    Bring young players in, break them into the Prem. Sell for profit. Reinvest. Granted reinvestment has not been instant but without Oil Money how else are we going to progress.

    3 years ago we rebuilt and finished 5th. Then we sold. Now we are rebuilding again but we have a better foundation to be building on than we had 3 years ago.

    It wouldnt surprise me if we did little in the market for another 2 years and then did the same as we have this summer.

    It makes no sense to bring in a constant stream of players and be selling for profit to stay in the same place. We’d still be 1 out 1 in. It’s better to buy, hold, watch the stocks increase, sell, then bring in a group of good players at once to take us to the next level. Granted it is a slow, frustrating policy. Almost like 9 steps backwards, 10 forward.

    It’s a long game (Top 10 for 2 years, top 8 for two years, top 6 for two……) but it just might work.

  • 78 ilovetoon8788 // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:50 PM

    @G // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:44 PM

    We need to be more confident in giving our kids a chance in the first team.

    Pardew is way too afraid that they will cost him points. He brings them on for the last 3 minutes. He even came out and slated them after the defeat in the carling cup openly saying they’re not good enough which was a terrible thing to do.

    It’s quite evident that his management of the youths is appaling really. Even through tough schedules he plays the same first team over and over and then comes on and says the players were tired during a prolonged run of games. He could have given the likes of Bigi a chance at least. He needs more guts.

  • 79 BuckLuck // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:50 PM

    As long as Pardew is here there will be arguements, and it will be the same things we argue about because it is what it is. Pardew could do a “Alex Ferguson”. Appoint coaches that runs the training. That would do his job a lot easier and perhaps calm some on this blog down. Me included.

    Until he does though he IS a big problem, THE bottleneck(as Ashley actually spend some cash this summer it seems) and he is holding our club back.

    He will irritate me as long as he is our manager. I can not see how he can suddenly adapt a new philosophy. I’m glad to be proven wrong though!

  • 80 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:51 PM

    As I said originally some claim that those who do well under Pardew were fantastic and would have done great anyway, but those who have failed were just as exceptional but have failed due to being Pardewed, I did say first off that that would happen and rightly it did, every club in world football try to develope, or buy players who are just not good enough or not as good as they thought and ultimately they fail, but when it comes to some people that doesn’t happen at Newcastle as every player even Obertan and Marveaux have only failed due to being Pardewed, absolutely pathetic it really is, and now an all time low has emerged, Jonas ffs, his game was about work rate and getting up and down the pitch to support the left back, but he is now 31 and he hasn’t got the legs too do it any more, but apparently he has now been Pardewed, well I hope some are prepared for a long wait, because if your waiting for a manager who can never fail but to make world beaters out of every player who is a Newcastle player, whether senior or junior and can also offer eternal youth then I feel that you may struggle a bit as there doesn’t seem to be many of them around.

    If these who insist on this “Pardewed” thought have read today’s post from 33 down, and then read them again with an open mind and if you do that then this sorry debate will be put to bed as this slaughter of Pardew is simply just as pathetically wrong as you can get, and that comes from a man who wants Pardew sacked as I just cannot see us succeeding with him, but I will only knock when it is justified, and this Pardewed label is pathetic and very ignorant, as I say from 33 down and you will see that you haven’t got a leg to stand on.

  • 81 pawl250 // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:54 PM

    LFG

    Target was top 10 last year, no investment and sold better players.

    Surely the target must have increased? top 8?

    That would be my guess.

    I mean top 8 (8th to be precise) does not commit you to EL, it just about puts you in the perfect place to attack the higher echelon in the following season.

    Liverpool being an example, attacking the top 4 when you say finish a handful of points outside of 7th. Surely the advantage providing you strengthen a small amount is in your favor to gain a CL spot with the lack of games.

    And you should be an attractive club, I am sure most players would choose Everton and Spurs over us. Yet they have hovered around 6-8th for some time.

    It normally goes (in no order)

    1 – 7 = Liverpool, Man city, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Everton

    I would imagine Man Utd, Spurs and Everton are not far off in quality, or atleast based on last season. And Liverpool will surely feel CL and lack of Suarez impact this season.

  • 82 LGFUAD21 // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:54 PM

    I’m not saying we will finish 5th again this season but the players we have brought in excite much more and have far greater reputations than the ones 3 years ago.

    3 years ago:
    Ba – Good spell at West Ham, consistent in Germany. I always believed in him but there was a point people were still asking where our AC replacement was.

    Cabaye – Came with a very good reputation. He was the “star” of the bunch that everyone was excited about.

    Marveaux – A bit of an unknown but exciting none the less

    Obertan – Not much fanfare, i think the majority thought he could still come good.

    Santon – The young prodigy. Bullied Ronaldo in Europe. Had a bit of a crisis of confidence but was still so young.

    Compare those signings to this years:

    De Jong: Ajax captain and Dutch international. May have just missed out on world cup but he is known, great stats.

    Cabella: Another young exciting french prospect that single handedly kept Montpellier up.

    Janmaat: Just finished 3rd in world cup. Thought to be a younger Debuchy. Almost level in terms of ability.

    Riviere: Potential wild card. Highly rated in France and among those involved directly in the game. Often suggested his stats do not do him credit (10 goals from 19 starts though).

    Ayoze Perez: Complete unknown. Real were interested, looks to have ability, can he handle pace and physical aspect.

    In addition, look at what we are adding on to then vs now

    Lovenkrands/Jonas ——–Gouffran/Sammy
    Barton————————–Sissoko/HBA(not really though)
    Nolan—————————Anita/Sissoko
    Tiote—————————-Tiote/Anita/Colback
    Best/Shola———————Cisse
    Raylor/Simmo—————–No one – Santon at a push. or Anita
    Colo/Perch/Willo/Saylor—Colo/Willo/MWM/Saylor
    Raylor—————————Santon/Haidara/Dummet
    Krul/Harper——————–Krul Elliott

    Granted we had better players in certain positions since. Ba as a striker, Cabaye in CM. But my point is the foundation we are building on is better IMO than it was 3 years back.

    I would say that is progress when you take a step back.

  • 83 Shot Bru // Jul 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM

    It’s not just Pardew who hasn’t addressed the youth development side of the club…the abysmal development and scouting of young talent has been absent for decades now…

    Souness, Dogleash, Robson, Keegan have all been responsible for neglecting youth development as much as Pardew…

    Of course we’ve been saddled with incompetent trigger happy owners and chairmen who have no insight into successfully running a football club…

    But….

    This has been a fundamental problem within the club and a contributing factor towards our lack of success on the pitch.

    As average contents points out, any successful club has a system or footballing philosophy which all teams within the club follow…We never have!!! And never will by the looks of things!!!

  • 84 LGFUAD21 // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:00 PM

    pawl250

    I’m not saying we have it right. I’m just saying the strategy is not the problem. It’s the execution.

    We are better off doing it this way rather than only buying mediocrity like West Brom, Villa (at times), Fulham, Stoke.

    Our squad last season was better than Evertons by a whisker. I think we could have done well with a top manager, but my comment wasnt about the manager.

    I was just trying to highlight why I think we will sign in bursts rather than replace 1 in.

    Cabaye was great we all know that. But I think by selling him we have brought in players that collectively can add more to us rather than being reliant on 1 player to deliver the good. We now have De Jong and Cabella, which on paper makes us stronger than only having Cabaye. Especially when HBA is clearly not in the equation.

  • 85 G // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:03 PM

    I agree that AP lacks the courage to throw in a youngster, unless his options are really limited, and this does indeed hamper the development of youth, however, right or wrong it is AP’s job to pick the best 11 of the day, as he sees it. It just so happens he appears to have major blind spots.

  • 86 pawl250 // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:06 PM

    LGF

    Totally agree with that sentiment mate.

    I look at our team and see a squad of potential, a squad that on any given day we could do damage.

    I do think Pardew limits the above, but still its a younger, more exciting squad.

    I feel we require a main striker, you know a 15 goals plus stiker that will finish any or atleast majority of chances created.

    Cisse could have had 10-15 goals last season had he not missed so many chances, or had a keeper having one of those games standing inbetween the sticks.

    Still he should have done better and if we had that bit of quality as seen by Remy who at times missed chances also we could have a very strong season.

    I think defence is abit sketchy, although I deep down believe Mbiwa could be the answer if given an extended run in the team.

  • 87 dufuss // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:14 PM

    Goals to Newcastle! Pardew feels club has ‘addressed’ striking problems
    now this man is totally deluded or on another planet dickwad

  • 88 manxpie // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:18 PM

    Rotonda and facts!!! Hahaha that made me laugh like

    Rotonda how about the fact cabaye played at the world cup in the deep position or the fact cabeye said his preference was in that same position??

  • 89 pawl250 // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:18 PM

    dufuss

    Unless you have read a more recent quote I read over the weekend he looks to add another striker due to Cisse injury and potential ACN duty.

  • 90 Mister Tuff // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:20 PM

    pawl – I am definitely not saying as you suggest that every good signing is Carr’s and every bad one is Percy’s. How you can even suggest this from what I have posted realy astounds me -you are hoping to see things that are not there.
    I have done many posts about Obertan and the how the transfer process has been described to us by both Carr and Percy. It was quite apparent a coupe of year back that Carr revealed that it was Percy who wanted Obertan and not him. You can deny that if you want to. Recently there were quotes on here direct from Percy about him phoning red nose about Obertan (do you want to deny that as well).
    In the end they are all collectively responsible for signing good players as well as duffers – how you thought I believed otherwise is mindblowing -can you explain -ah ha – unless you have been chewing khat do not bother.
    (world is not flat but round)

  • 91 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:20 PM

    LGFUAD21

    on paper I can see your point, but the big question which we will find out soon enough is will they handle the PL, Cabaye and Ba did effortlessly, Santon has been ok, not a raging success but not a total failure, but how will this new bunch adapt, SDJ, will his lack of pace catch him out or will he find away around it, Cabella, will he be able to fleet foot his way around the physicality of the PL, I metioned these two as they are the lads who most of us are pinning our hopes on but there are doubts about them, especially SDJ with his injury record of late, as for the others Perez is unknown, could be a world beater could be another waste of space we can’t really say at this point, Colback is the pick of the bunch for me as we know what we will get and what he gives is what all teams need, fight and vigour, as for the other 2 Janmaat and Riviere, with Janmaat I have no concerns at all and I expect him to fit in seamlessly and prove to be a great signing at the price we got him for, but the last one Riviere is the one who really intrigues me, most look at him as being possibly the weakest of our summer recruits, but I feel that he could be the best, his track record is not great but when in France play as the French do, he doesn’t, he is all about pace and strength which is far more suited to England than France, so for the reasons that I am concerned about SDJ and Cabella which is their suitability to the PL I am really looking forward to Riviere as he is taylor made for the PL.

    Now haven’t I put a different perspective on how things could develope, but it is food for thought.

  • 92 Mister Tuff // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:23 PM

    History re- inventors……………………………..OUT
    Khat chompers………………………………………OOT
    Percy…………………………………………………….OUT

  • 93 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:31 PM

    manxpie

    Rotonda has taken a bit of a hammering today, hopefully he will now realise that he cannot continue to post vile anti Pardew posts and have them accepted by all, Pardew has his faults and should not be our manager, but the venomous crap which we see on here has no foundation to it at all, before the debate got into full swing I said what pathetic comments would get made, and he duly oblidged, some people never learn.

  • 94 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:34 PM

    You know the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.

    …and just like that Parpuh’s greatest trick is convincing the problem is Benny (diverting all the attention away for himself)

    *the problem on this blog is we are swayed easily and we forget oh so easily! Just an opinion.

  • 95 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:35 PM

    Tuff

    Khat chompers, thats a new one to me m8, could you please explain, or would it be better if I was kept in the dark ????

  • 96 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:36 PM

    …and now that Benny won’t be playing what trick will he pull us then!!!

  • 97 Pardews Prolific Boys // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:38 PM

    Rotonda was in his element when everyone was swept along in Pardew vitriol during the losing streak. However when you look attitude subjectively it’s not all on Pardew.
    Whilst I admit I’m not a fan I think he does get too much undue stick as well. Claiming he ruined bigirimana?
    Was he on his way to a ballon d’or like? Was he a superstar in waiting?
    Probably not. He was more likely one of the countless premier league youths who showed a lot if potential then dropped off the radar.

  • 98 LGFUAD21 // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:39 PM

    Spoof

    Oh I agree, But there was nothing to say the breed we brought in 3 years ago (Cabaye et al) or the January arrivals (Debuchy et al) would prove good.

    You have to expect a few failures. But you can also expect a few improvements from current players.

    I just think there is more to be optimistic about the guys landing feet first this year than in others.

    Janmaat and SDJ both have vast international experience and European well beyond that of Cabaye and Debuchy.

    SDJ doesnt need pace. Hes no slower than Mata.

    People talk about the lack of the dutch league but Tiote but Dutch players, like French generally have a good record of adapting well.

    The Prem is becoming less physical. The bigger observation from newbies these days is the breakneck speed rather than the physicality. Players like SDJ and Janmaat should have the fitness level to cope.

    And for what they lack in physicality they often more than make up for in intelligence. You can see that from the international teams. They place a lot more emphasis on technique and tactics in France and Holland than in England.

    This is why both countries frequently tear England a new one internationally despite our players playing in this league against the best players in the world that is so tough to play in. It’s Pen is mightier than the Sword. E.g. HBA was easy to wrestle off the ball when he arrived, but he coped on arrival because he could judge a players intentioned from their body shape and positioning. Colo and Mertesacker are two of the slowest players in the prem but they can also be two of the best on their day because their ability to read a game.

    Physicality is only 1 dimension of the game. As is Pace, Intelligence, Strategic thinking or Vision. No one dimension trumps.

    I dont think SDJ has a rocky injury history. Rooney has spent more time out than him in recent years but nobody flags that up.

    he had a collapsed lung which is not really a big deal as far as injuries in the game go.

    Agree Riviere is the enigma. And I think Colback will prove well worth the free transfer.

  • 99 LGFUAD21 // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:41 PM

    Spoof

    Khat is a plant that has hallucinogenic effects when eaten. Found in Africa. Very popular in Somalia.

  • 100 nufc 11 // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:42 PM

    The one thing other clubs do better than us is loan the players out surely that was the job of a director of football to set up links with other clubs to take our young players. I know the grade of player is higher but look at Chelsea they have benefited to no end with having a structure in place where young players are brought to the club, loaned out, developed, brought back for pre season and then sent back out if not ready, they bought De byune for 6mill and sold him for 17mill same goes for Croutois and countless others who are worth 3/4 times their original value becoz the their system works, buy raw talent, develop raw talent, loan out raw talent to get experience, ready them for the 1st team or sell them on at a profit basic business 101. Dosent it say alot when our top prospects loaned out cant get a game for Rodderham or birmingham.

  • 101 jazzyp // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:47 PM

    Rotonda
    Go back through the blog in 2011 mate and im sure you will find the majority were in favour of keeping the lad.
    Also a poll was done in 2012-13 I think mate and 62% were again in favour of having Carroll back at SJP.
    Personally doesn’t bother me either way bud as I think there is better forwards out there for 15 mill as iv said.
    Hope that clarifies my post pal !!

  • 102 mindshaft // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:50 PM

    Actually some good points made here
    I think Pardew is tacttcally naive and would prefer someone like Ottmar Hitzfeld but to blame Pards for every players demise is well wide of the mark.
    Obertan was sh!te at Manure and Marvs attitude stinks full stop.
    Bigi refused to go on loan last season as he wanted to fight for a place in the first team, unfortunately he then got injured and fell down the pecking order
    HBA is HBA, same at every other club he’s been at, mercurial one minute, useless ball loser the next.

  • 103 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:52 PM

    jesper

    your wrong m8, the biggest problem on this site is a lack of open mindedness, if you give Pardew any stick then it is unforgivable if you give him any praise, if you give the transfer policy any stick then you can’t praise it, if you give Ashley any stick then you can’t say he has done good ( ? )

    The biggest majority cannot allow themselves to praise a man for one thing but then criticize him for another, they feel that they are contradicting themselves, thats wrong as each and every situation should be analysed differently, but so many are so frightened to be swaying either one way or the other that they feel obliged to dig their heels in for appearance sake, each issue should be treat with no agenda and discussed on its merits and only its merits.

  • 104 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:56 PM

    LGFUAD21

    I agree, there were no certain successes, all I was doing was trying to put a balance on it, some will work out, some won’t, we have to expect that but will these fickle fans accept that ?

  • 105 jazzyp // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:56 PM

    Get French Football
    ?@GFN_France Loic Remy’s move to Liverpool is complete, subject to a medical.
    Full story: http://bit.ly/1llQwqV #LFC

    Another one bites the dust and another CF target off the list

  • 106 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:57 PM

    @98 – LGFUAD21

    I liked reading this post. Some good points and well argued with regards to the players we’ve brought in.

    However, i cant say i agree with the point you made:
    “Janmaat and SDJ both have vast international experience and European well beyond that of Cabaye and Debuchy.”

    This i’m afraid is just not true. Janmaat has about 22 international caps which is about the same as Debuchy when he signed for us. But Janmaat hasnt played Champions league football and has only played in Europe about 4 times.
    SDJ is closer to Cabaye when he signed for us i guess, with the exception that he hasnt been in the Dutch squad for a while due to injury.

    Don’t get me wrong. I agree with regards to Janmaat. He’s one hell of a signing for me, and i think he’s got all the attributes to be a great player in the EPL. I think he’ll be fantastic.

    And Riviére is one which im curious about more than anything. If he can adapt to the varied style of play that the EPL will bring then we could have got ourselves an absolute diamond. On the other hand, its just as likely that he might be another Luque.

    Fingers crossed. And here’s to the upcoming season.

    HOWAY THE LADS!

  • 107 cyprus // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:57 PM

    I think it’s fair to say we have moved on from the Bigi level. If I were him I’d go.

    On the ‘pardewed’ issue, I see there’s a split. Are massive losses of form (Cisse, Jonas, HBA, err… and everyone else) a coincidence or a collective loss of confidence? Could be, hope so.

    I think Pardew is at last chance cafe, he’s probably got till Xmas to prove that the team has been depardewed and the new signings are immune. I honestly wish him well because it means my team goes well and magically grabs that coveted 3rd – 4th position.

  • 108 Pottsclock // Jul 21, 2014 at 2:58 PM

    I think it would be interesting to compare our stats of bringing through young players with other PL clubs. I just think that nearly all clubs are avoiding risking young talent and the best that can be hoped for them is a loan out, or in Man City’s case, a complete career pause (Rodwell, Richards, Johnson).
    Regarding Pardew failing to nurture our young talent – to me the fault may be more with the Beardsleys and Stones of this world or (probably more likely) the way the EPL is actually run. These days even the ManUs and Arsenals are struggling to bring good young talent through.

  • 109 jazzyp // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:03 PM

    French Ligue 1 side Olympique Lyonnais are confident they will find off interest for forward Alexandre Lacazette and hope to tie him down to a new long-term contract.

    Premier League side’s Liverpool and Newcastle United had been heavily linked with the 23-year old French international in recent weeks.

    Liverpool’s interest may have come to an end anyway with Queens Park Rangers striker Loïc Rémy expected to be unveiled in the coming days.

    As for Newcastle and manager Alan Pardew, they will have to seek elsewhere for a new striker.

    Lyon have been reluctant to let Lacazette leave after Bafétimbi Gomis joined Swansea City on a free transfer earlier this summer. Alexandre Lacazette is seen as a key player in their future plans.

    The club’s owner Jean-Michel Aulas was quoted by Sky Sports via L’Equipe as saying:

    “The club’s strategy has been to build an education centre that produces high quality players. We will give them the opportunity to have success at Lyon.

    “We are in talks and I don’t know if he will prolong for two or three years. Whatever happens, he is not for sale.

    “The difference between here and other clubs is that we set a strategy and we keep it for five years.”

    Alexandre Lacazette scored 23 goals in all competitions for Lyon last season, including 15 in 36 Ligue 1 appearances.

    He came through the club’s youth academy after joining as a 12-year old. Lacazette has scored 24 goals in 106 league appearances for Lyon having made his Ligue 1 debut a couple of weeks before his 19th birthday in May 2010. He has two caps for the French national team under Didier Deschamps, both in friendlies – 32 minutes in a 1-0 defeat to Uruguay in June 2013 and 20 minutes in a 3-0 loss to Brazil a few days later.

    Lacazette has played for all five of France’s national youth teams – under-16s, under-17s, under-18s, under-19s and under-20s, as well as scoring five goals in 11 appearances for the French under-21s.

    make that 2 off the list !!

  • 110 cyprus // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:06 PM

    Which teams are looking good? Everton has lost Lukaku. Let’s say they’ll be in it, but we’ll compete with them. Chelsea have a new crocked forward (and Lukaku). Hazard doesn’t like Mourinho, I see an HBA-AP relationship developing there. Liverpool have the most overrated captain imaginable and won’t be playing the bitiful game any more. Spurs? Still licking their wounds from the 100 mil waste. City? They’ll win it. Arse? As always, up there. Man U? The magic’s gone, a ‘decent’ 6th. Soton? It’s over.
    Conclusion: we can step up to the plate. If those players are as good as reported and we get a CF.
    Overambitious? Yep, that’s me (and AP too).

  • 111 Our Toon // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:07 PM

    Haven’t been on for a few days and I see some things haven’t changed!! Bigi has been mismanaged as has young Good, the Australian manager says we haven’t provided him with the right treatment etc.

    The HBA debate rages on as well!! For those who are insistent to not blame Percy please read Tevez comments about him, he says padded is a nice man but has no idea how to use technical players.

    Please stop with the constant drivel that pards made cabaye, ba and debuchy better players, cabaye joined us as a league winner, someone wenger wanted but he thought real madrid had agreed to sign him, debuchy played in the same team as cabaye….He joined us with a great reputation!! Ba joined West ham and banged the goals in for them in what was a shocking side, he joined us as a fully developed player!!

  • 112 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    Pottsclock

    then again it could be as simple as the kids just aren’t good enough, as you rightly say who are really succeeding, you can’t make a diamond out of a lump of coal.

  • 113 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:09 PM

    Realistically i think we’re down to about 3 options left on this ‘Big name striker’ front.

    Aside from discovering some unknown diamonds in the South American leagues (which would discount the big name striker label) I can honestly only think of 3 players we could sign to fit the bill.

    There’s already been lots of movement this summer, and any player within our realistic price range has already moved, bar Lacazette who looks like he’s staying at Lyon.

    The three ive come up with are:
    ‘Big Andy’ Andrew Carroll
    ‘Chicarito’ Hernandez
    Kevin Gamiero

    Lasogga was clearly our main target for this primary striking berth, and we were a little unlucky with that one. But that doesn’t excuse the fact that we allowed Gomis to sign for Swansea for free, thinking we’d sign one of the other lads.

    Desperation time shortly…

  • 114 JAMSHA // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:11 PM

    Pardew screwd Arfa & Marvo now its BIGI who is not happn…. clown needs to get a sack

  • 115 ilovetoon8788 // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:14 PM

    All our main targets in attack has gone or turned us down.

    Whose left? Darren Bent. How about samaras?

  • 116 Mister Tuff // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:15 PM

    I think Percy must be chewing khat as well -might explaining some of his decision making and his violence -sticking the nut on Meyler.
    It might also explain him wanting Obertan. Might also explain why he thinks we have a decent defence.
    Probably explains why he dedicated a victory to Mr Tubbs (he must have been halucinating to do that).
    I think the evidence is growing – I think there are one or two on here who must be chewing it as well -Percy is probaby their dealer.

  • 117 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:15 PM

    Spoof…true! that is a problem to mate.

  • 118 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:18 PM

    Cypus

    Krul
    Janmaat Willo/ Saylor/ Colo (2 from 3)Haidara
    Sissoko Tiote Colback
    Cabella de Jong
    Riviere

    it could be argued that it is not a bad 11, but who comes in when suspensions and injuries take there tole ?, honestly m8 we will be better off and less disappointed if we look behind us rather than in front and then accept mid table as we are supposed to do.

  • 119 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:21 PM

    I have to run…it has been fun as always (not always ;) lol)

    …talk you guys later!

  • 120 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:21 PM

    *to

  • 121 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:21 PM

    Now that all and sundry have told Rotonda that he is a total jerk he has done as he always does, hide, rather than admit that he is wrong.

  • 122 cyprus // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:23 PM

    Spoof,
    You are probably right ;(

    But I dream :)

  • 123 jazzyp // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM

    TTVVT

    That’s what im afraid of bud that out of desperation we end up with another LDJ on our hands that we can ill afford.
    It has to be a forward that is going to guarantee us goals as my judgement is still out on Riviere

  • 124 Spoof // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:25 PM

    Cyprus

    you must me younger than me m8, as when you get to my age you don’t dream you just have nightmares lol.

  • 125 cyprus // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:26 PM

    Is Riviere like a Bellamy? Anyone seen him play?

  • 126 beermonkey // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:28 PM

    afternoon all

    bigi while he had injuries last season that no doubt led to his poor form some were saying at the end he was playing a lot better

    if he goes out on loan he should be able to regain his form and fitness and improve if he goes to the right club

    at 28 if we have a good season I would expect tiote to be sold at the end of the season or jan knowing our lot
    so if bigi goes of and does well I would expect him then to come into the team

    he still should have gone on the tour with the others

  • 127 jazzyp // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:29 PM

    Cyprus
    Many say he is a talent that needs nurturing and moulding into a potential French international.
    many say that we have overpaid for a mercurial talent !!

    Sounds like a certain Benny we have on board at present

  • 128 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:33 PM

    Cyprus

    Daid Bellamy or Criag mate?

    I know David was a bit static during the back end of his career mind. Renowned for just watching things going on around him without ever getting involved.

  • 129 Macas // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:36 PM

    Our Toon
    Are you claiming Pardew is responsible for Good’s medical treatment???
    As for HBA you could say Pardew handled him very well for his first few seasons and gave him quite a bit of leeway.

  • 130 cyprus // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:38 PM

    Did the Wise thing and watched Riviere on YouTube. Inconclusive evidence, I could’ve scored some of those.

  • 131 cyprus // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:39 PM

    Craig :)

  • 132 cyprus // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:40 PM

    Jazzy,
    don’t tell that to Pards!

  • 133 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    Surely this highlights how poor the standard of coaching is on the academy if players who are starting to come through go back to the academy to regain fitness and end up regressing?

    Sorry but for me this shows a huge problem with the coaching throughout the club rather than simply a player being “Pardewed”

  • 134 Our Toon // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:49 PM

    Macas

    I’m blaming everyone in this regime for the lack of care when it comes to developing young talent, the biggest culprit being the owner as he employs tools that achieve nothing!!

    As for pards and HBA which for some reason you want to keep going back to…Yeah he did really well with HBA mate you are spot on, he stumbled upon a formation which was so successful he then changed it for the following season, his daft selection of HBA got him injured in a pointless game against Maritimo and then he bought him back on a plastic pitch in Russia….aye you got that spot on mate!!

  • 135 Brutooon // Jul 21, 2014 at 3:58 PM

    might be that he is not good enough

  • 136 Ericles // Jul 22, 2014 at 7:28 AM

    Sadly another player who has been pardewed.




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