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Three More Newcastle Wingers Told They Can Leave

11:33 pm, Wednesday, July 23rd, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 59 Comments

Yesterday Sylvain Marveaux completed a one year loan deal to French club Guingamp, and news tonight that three of Newcastle’s other wingers – Ben Arfa, Jonas Gutierrez and Gabby Obertan – have all been told they can  go to other clubs this summer, since they are not wanted at Newcastle.

Jonas Gutierrez CaRDIFF

Jonas Gutierrez – told he can leave.

But given what happened last season and this summer, that’s not a big surprise, since not one of the four experienced wingers was on the plane to New Zealand for the two pre-season friendlies down under.

But if somebody had suggested a year ago that Ben Arfa, Jonas Gutierrez and Sylvain Marveaux would be leaving the club this summer, people would have asked what you had been smoking.

It all seems to have gone wrong for Ben Arfa since Yohan Cabaye left the club in January, as it was thought that Ben Arfa would be given the chance to play in the withdrawn striker role – but it didn’t happen – and he then fell out with manager Alan Pardew.

And what exactly Jonas did wrong last season we have no idea, and neither does he, but he was shipped out on loan to Norwich in January, but they ended up getting relegated, and Chris Hughton was fired before the end of the season.

Ben Arfa has one year left on his current contract at Newcastle, and he could try to get a loan deal somewhere, so he becomes a free agent next summer, and then can negotiate a good deal for himself, since no transfer fee will be involved.

These three wingers have no future at Newcastle, and will not be at the club come September, and will either move out permanently or on loan for next season.

That looks almost a certainty now.

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59 responses so far ↓

  • 1 beermonkey // Jul 23, 2014 at 11:36 PM

    this is not new news

  • 2 geordie157 // Jul 23, 2014 at 11:39 PM

    Townsend and wijnaldum would be good signings.

  • 3 beermonkey // Jul 23, 2014 at 11:45 PM

    geordie157

    looks like isla is on the way so cant see either of them coming

  • 4 Mister Tuff // Jul 23, 2014 at 11:47 PM

    expat – Riviere seems to be a player with a bit of potential -if we check out reports a couple of years ago -he might have lost his way a bit -but he seems to have received some decent plaudits -so hopefully -the PL might suit him and might kick start some consistency.

  • 5 Graeme // Jul 23, 2014 at 11:49 PM

    Jonas has been fairly crap for years. Runs up and down, falls over, no end product, whats the point. He should have been given to Norwich just to get him off our books!!

    The rest have not featured much, Benny has abviously pissed off too many, too often and is paying the price. It was always going to end in tears, just like every other club. I Hope he manages to find a Manager who can nurture the obvious talent he has, but he is now in the wrong place at the wrong time!!

  • 6 bladeuser // Jul 23, 2014 at 11:58 PM

    Isla is not on his way thats a fact there is no truth in this story

  • 7 EbertNUFC // Jul 23, 2014 at 11:59 PM

    This is all a bit harsh on Jonas considering how loyal he ha been to us

  • 8 Charlietoon // Jul 23, 2014 at 11:59 PM

    Jonas was a decent player in that he generally gave 100% on the pitch, tracked back as well as attacked and won a hell of a lot of free kicks. The problem was he had little to no end product in terms of shooting or passing and despite winning those free kicks he often broke up any momentum we had going forward.

    Ben Arfa was loved by Pards. We know that. I think whatever Hatems problem is it comes down to Hatem. If he was such a talent and just badly managed other teams would be trying to take him off our hands. That they are not says a great deal.

    Obertan has never lived up to his speed. We’re not going to get much money at all for them so I’d offer to tear up Oba and Jonas contract and let them go for free. Arfa I’d keep if no one wants him purely so if he does get his act together he can be utilised.

  • 9 beermonkey // Jul 24, 2014 at 12:07 AM

    ebertnufc

    how has Jonas been loyal he has a contract he is paid well if he got a better offer he would be off

    bladeuser

    i hope ur right

  • 10 bringbackemre // Jul 24, 2014 at 12:09 AM

    Jonas was a great player for us, his last season for us was terrible though besdes a few good eurpoa league games, he was clearly knacked but was played over and over again when both newcatsle and him would have benifted from a rest.
    Before that season though he was a great player he completely dominated his wing and while he messed up on the basics on occasions he did do some clever passes and scored some sublime goals, he stayed with us in relagtion when he could have easily joined a upper echelon club, i think hes been treated terribly always gave his best

  • 11 EbertNUFC // Jul 24, 2014 at 12:11 AM

    Beermonkey

    Well at least he has been not loyal than Ben arfa

  • 12 EbertNUFC // Jul 24, 2014 at 12:11 AM

    Been more loyal

  • 13 jimmysmith // Jul 24, 2014 at 12:17 AM

    So that leaves us with Cabella, Sissoko, and Gouffran as our only legitimate EPL flankers, and none traditional wingers, which is an indication of how we plan to play. With Sammi and perhaps Aaron’s as back up. I suppose we won’t get shot of all four of the others, so one or two will remain and probably feature on occasion. Not ideal, so I guess that’s why we are sniffing around the likes of Isla then, who under the circumstances we probably need.

  • 14 jimmysmith // Jul 24, 2014 at 12:22 AM

    All of those 4 have real qualities, just not or no longer suited to this league. France Spain, Italy or almost any other league probably.

  • 15 jimmysmith // Jul 24, 2014 at 12:38 AM

    Surely they wouldn’t ask Jonas to train with the kids would they. The others ok, they each to some degree appear to have let themselves down, but Guti impresses as a consummate pro.

  • 16 expatmag // Jul 24, 2014 at 1:03 AM

    TUFF

    time will only tell just how good he is and how quickly he adapts to the PL.

    I think the main saving grace here is that if the club plays Sissoko and Cabella down the flanks with Jalmaat and Haidara behind them, there is a great deal of pace and power allied with creativity any forward should thrive on.

    Throw in the creativity of De Jong in essentially a Bergkamp role, I can see a lot of chances being created for Riviere/Cisse during the season.

  • 17 expatmag // Jul 24, 2014 at 1:07 AM

    JIMMY

    I feel a little sorry for Jonas but I can see him returning to Argentina to finish off his career.

    Like I said on a previous thread, even if further funds for incoming players is available, I cant see Ashley bringing anyone else in until the unwanted high earners leave the club.

  • 18 Blofal // Jul 24, 2014 at 1:16 AM

    I think Pardew is insistent on playing a 4-2-3-1 which tbh doesn’t require wingers. The wingers are the fullbacks in that system.

  • 19 Blofal // Jul 24, 2014 at 1:19 AM

    Personally I would prefer a 4-1-4-1 with what we have. I think this is the most attacking we can get.

    Janmaat – Colo – Willo – Haidara
    ———=——Tiote
    Cabella – Sissoko – DeJong – Goufrann
    —————Riverie

  • 20 lallik // Jul 24, 2014 at 1:30 AM

    My Newcastle dream team:

    Given
    Debuchy-Woodgate-Albert-Enrique
    Milner-Cabaye-Parker-Ginola
    Shearer-Caroll

  • 21 expatmag // Jul 24, 2014 at 1:49 AM

    Blofal

    With the pace and crossing ability of Janmaat and Haidara plus their defensive abilities, 4231 is the best system in my opinion.

    Sissoko could be the box to box powerhouse with Tiote and Colback sitting in front of the defence covering the full backs when opponents counter.

    Giuffran would miss out as would Anita but they would both be capable replacements when called upon.

  • 22 ToonFromLeeds // Jul 24, 2014 at 2:15 AM

    We need Javier Hernandez

  • 23 Toon73 // Jul 24, 2014 at 2:19 AM

    OK so 4 wingers are off.

    If Haidara is preferred at LB, what are the chances Santon is utilised either as LW he’s much better at pushing forward anyway.?

  • 24 K T Cat // Jul 24, 2014 at 3:01 AM

    I’m sad to see Jonas go, but it was the right decision. Still, I’ll wear my Jonas jersey while watching the games.

  • 25 geordie abroad // Jul 24, 2014 at 3:24 AM

    If we pay the required 24m Chelsea are after for lukaku, persuade him to come by paying him the wages we’d save on HBA, guti and marveaux then we’d be guarenteed goals.

    Guti was a grafter but never delivered the goals, the spidey mask barely seen the light of day. Benny was the oppersite, goals and assists but no graft. And marveaux was hot and cold. Not ideal but Plenty of wingers up for grabs on a loan to cover us until the next transfer window. Dejagah, Sinclair, Zaha, Moses, atsu.

  • 26 Shaker Shakrah // Jul 24, 2014 at 3:33 AM

    # jimmysmith

    Santon can play as a right winger
    his crosses in his right foot are class actually
    He & Gouffran will be the main RW for Next season
    I’d rather put Sissoko with Colback as a box to box midfielders in a 4 – 2 – 3 – 1 formation
    so that mean there is no need for the holding midfielder
    at all , Gouffran or Santon on the right
    Cabella on the left & De Jong as an attacking playmaker

  • 27 ethiotoon // Jul 24, 2014 at 3:45 AM

    Jonas G.
    Had been great servant for nu in the last couple of yrs. last yr probably had personal problems that led him fallout of favor.probably consistent than both obertan & Ben. IMO he still is great player if fit.can defend,can play different position
    Should stay and deserves some games.
    Ben arfa
    Best tricky player we ever seen at nu.his main problem is inconsistency,doesn’t track back,no tackles, doesn’t pass when he has to, fitness problems.IMO should stay and get some last 15-20min game
    time to see off opponent teams,when nu r
    frustrated by their opponent.but if nu offered with decent money like £5-6m he should go
    Obertan
    Great first season with nu,pacy,can trackback as well,but inconsistent and lack of confidence is his main problem.
    AP used him at right wing several times but IMO his best position should have been left wing,last season he should have been loaned to other club to gain confidence as he is still young.but considering he earn 25-30k per week,
    better to ofload him for 1m- 1.5m…

  • 28 NOVA2967 // Jul 24, 2014 at 3:48 AM

    We do need some tradition wingers with them all leaving. Aarons could come through

  • 29 gonufc (Newcastle United Sports Direct Advertising Club) // Jul 24, 2014 at 3:53 AM

    I have no idea how good Aarons really is/ could be but I think we were all impressed and surprised at how handy he looked in that sydney game.

  • 30 expatmag // Jul 24, 2014 at 4:06 AM

    Aye…..we would all love to see good fast attacking wingers Even though the game has evolved in recent years with more in depth tactics based around short passing and movement, there is nothing more exciting in the game to see a speedster take on a full back and deliver a good accurate cross for the centre forward. Unfortunately, they are few and far between now.

    If we could nurture develop and encourage the likes of Aarons and Ameobi over the next couple of seasons, we could have a couple of diamonds on our hands.

    I would happily settle for an easy midtable position snd some cup runs this season if it meant we saw several of our kids get into the team and earn a permanent spot.

  • 31 AmeriToon // Jul 24, 2014 at 4:10 AM

    I think the team really needs a left footed LW to balance out the attack more. From what i’ve heard Cabella almost never played down the left so it would be a real waste to put him there.
    Have Sissoko play box to box partnering with one of Tiote/Anita/Colback.
    lineup 4 – 2 – 3- 1
    Krul
    Janmaat – Williamson – Colo – Haidara
    Sissoko – Anita
    Cabella – De Jong – Gouffran
    Riviere
    Right now i guess our only left foot wingers are Aarons and maybe Ameobi? either way neither has really proved yet that they can start. It would be great if we signed Andre Ayew to terrorize down the left flank. He’s an amazing player

  • 32 AmeriToon // Jul 24, 2014 at 4:16 AM

    expatmag
    I think with a good tactical manager we could be great without an out and out left winger with a good left foot, however we have Pardew, which means i believe we require someone who can hit a left footed cross. its a traditional style, but its proven

  • 33 ethiotoon // Jul 24, 2014 at 4:28 AM

    Alternative options
    Jonas G: Ayew/Marin/Depay
    Ben arfa: isla/Noone/Hoilett
    Obertan: Townsend/payet/Gnabry

  • 34 Brutooon // Jul 24, 2014 at 4:56 AM

    Jonas – Excellent debut, hardworking and he is the reason Jose Enrique and Santon develop as good fullbacks. However now already ageing, plus no end product for the last 2 seasons

    Obertan – Got potential but seem he doesn’t care much if we are winning or losing. One second he got the skills of C.Ronaldo, another second he seem didnt know anything

    HBA – a big fan of him since marseille and lyon days, but we know about his attitude problem. His weight show the result of bad self discipline. Thats why NO team would want him now.

  • 35 thai-mag // Jul 24, 2014 at 5:27 AM

    Jonas fell out with Pardew because he criticised the training as not being hard enough

  • 36 Lilongwe Geordie // Jul 24, 2014 at 6:30 AM

    Don’t think any of this is a surprise. I will be more surprised if we find someone to buy them.

    Jonas has done a great job for us over the years. Age has caught up with him though and that has finished his career at the top flight. If the rumour of his contract are true (an extension if he plays another game) then there is no alternative but to sell him. Any truth in the rumour he was in talks to buy out his remaining contract? Top bloke if true, shows a desire to be playing still, even at his age.

    HBA, this one has been done to death on here, and I am fine just to agree to disagree with most. I don’t blame one or the other for this, both HBA and Pardew are at fault for his demise. Better for HBA now if he moves on and attempts to rebuild his career elsewhere. I hope it isn’t ruined by another wasted year languishing in the background here. The club should be working with HBA and other teams and HBA’s representatives to help engineer a transfer to a decent side. The lad needs that help, not to be vilified and ostracised.

    Marveaux is nowt more than a 20minute sub in the Prem. It was becoming clearer and clearer each time he came on that this wasn’t a role he wanted. Fair play to the lad on putting in the extra shift to get fighting fit and win a move. Good luck to him.

    Obertan is awful. I can’t see anyone taking him from us. However we could use his pace to stretch teams if needed, so should be worked back into the squad if he doesn’t leave (depending on who comes in).

  • 37 MassiveG // Jul 24, 2014 at 6:33 AM

    Ameritoon

    Your team is missing Tiote, our most important player

  • 38 ethiotoon // Jul 24, 2014 at 6:40 AM

    Brutooon
    Agree with you.but if we let go all in one time without replacement, we could be in
    trouble,as youngsters need a little more time to get strong and deliverable. our problems in the last couple of seasons was insufficient backups.

  • 39 Bambams // Jul 24, 2014 at 7:34 AM

    Just read a comment whilst on newsnow that Andy Carroll is off to the states for treatment on his ankle. Could be out between 2-4 months allegedly.

  • 40 Slank // Jul 24, 2014 at 7:44 AM

    It’s right that all three should go.

    Jonas is a true professional but has lost his main attribute, speed.

    Obertan has speed but no end product.

    Ben Arfa has an abundance of skill and could still have a role to play but is an allegedly disruptive influence (not for the first time) and in a team and squad environment that is totally unacceptable.

  • 41 Slank // Jul 24, 2014 at 7:46 AM

    Bambams

    According to West Ham fans he injured himself when he fell over his hair. Many of their fans want to get rid of him as quickly as possible.

  • 42 Ian Toon // Jul 24, 2014 at 7:49 AM

    On HBA – it appears to me that many are harking back to how football used to be or rather how training used to be to play football. Pre season training is very different today. Both in the preparation to report back for training which is very much down to the player, particularly those that did not play in the World Cup. Training is certainly different, to say the least.

    Tony Adams looking back to Wenger’s impact on Arsenal post George Graham ” Training was different, to say the least. Wenger looked like a professor and worked according to the stopwatch. Sessions were shorter, sharper and timed to the second – unlike the sweaty, physical tests of endurance more common in traditional English regimes”.

    Wenger’s attention to detail is legendary. He turned up the temperature on the team bus to keep players’ muscles supple. He encouraged a period of silence at half time so the players relaxed and calmed themselves properly instead of ranting about the game. To work hard the whole week and then spoil it by not preparing properly is silly. Wenger bombed out Paul Merson and would have got shot of HBA a long time ago. Motivation comes from within.

    HBA disrespected the club and let himself down by not reporting back in the required condition. It could have been a fresh start and he blew it.

  • 43 Thump // Jul 24, 2014 at 7:52 AM

    Obertan would have plenty of end product if he stopped doing those bloody step overs. The sad thing is, I think he’d have been a hit if he was around in the mid 90s. Man U practically made their living on pacey wingers and ball control in the middle of the park. Now it’s all about ball control and competent passing. You need people who are both fast on the break and comfortable in possession – a moment of genius here and there won’t go amiss either. Ober has one, but then flaps the second he sees somebody coming towards him.

  • 44 Average_Contents // Jul 24, 2014 at 7:54 AM

    Riviere, 24, said: “The manager is very charismatic and he told me the club has ambitions … when I look around there are a lot of good strikers to play here and I want to be the next great striker here. It is exciting.

    Isn’t this the third new player to mention champions league? Percy keeps telling lies because clearly we don’t have the squad if injuries strike as all we’ve done is replace not strengthen

    “I want to improve my game and to work hard while I am here. I want to play in the Champions League and Newcastle have bought a lot of players so you can see the ambition. We all have to work hard to settle because it is a new team, it is difficult to know what can be achieved. We all have to work hard.”

  • 45 firebug666 // Jul 24, 2014 at 7:57 AM

    Slank

    As long as Carroll doesn’t come to Newcastle I will be happy.

    I agree that is it time for Jonas and Obertan to move on to pastures new.

    Benny is his own worst enemy, given his attitude etc etc.
    However with the players we now have I think he could fit into this team and still have a role to play.

    I would keep him here as a back up option should one of our players suffer injury or suspension. We don’t have a big squad and for that reason alone I think we may need Benny later in the season.

  • 46 Slank // Jul 24, 2014 at 7:58 AM

    ethiotoon @ 37

    It would not be a problem letting all three go at the same time.

    Between them they only made 34 league appearances and only scored 3 goals in the whole of the 2013/2014 season. They will not be missed.

    Time to say goodbye.

  • 47 Slank // Jul 24, 2014 at 8:01 AM

    * 3 goals in the Premiership

  • 48 Bambams // Jul 24, 2014 at 8:05 AM

    Slank
    I dont want Carroll back as he is trouble off yhe pitch. He looks for trouble whenever he is out in the Town, or at least he used to.

    furebug666

    Benny could fit into thus new team, I also think having a former Ajax captain alongside him would help massively. I dont think for one minute Siem will hold back if Benny is messing about or not pulling his weight. Colo is always 15 yards behind benny and easily ignored.

    I hope we can hold onto Siem, looks brilliant

  • 49 firebug666 // Jul 24, 2014 at 8:12 AM

    Bambams

    I agree, Siem sat out of training yesterday with a foot injury, but Pardrew said it was just a precaution. (hope so). I think you are right Benny needs someone there to guide him and encourage him to play the team game and Siem could do that.

    I would love Benny to stay but I think he has burned all his bridges here and there is no way back. Shame really.

  • 50 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 24, 2014 at 8:21 AM

    Ian
    Fully agree any chance of a fresh start was blown out the water but returning unfit for pre season which is hugely disrespectful not only to Pardew (apparently not sympathising with HBA makes you a Pardew supporter) but to all those at the club who have set him the targets and work
    If he’s not prepared to put the effort in to improve then why should the staff?
    I know the old “but it wouldn’t matter what shape he came back in because Pardews arrogant” well maybe, but will never know and Benny has gifted the club the perfect excuse to move him on
    For me the HBA scenario is in no way comparable to the Marv scenario which people seem to draw parallels to
    Marv has been constantly injured and never really looked like he’d settled
    Pardew gave HBA the number 10 role and spent nearly 2 seasons hyping him up
    The hype only stopped when the weight started pilling on….

    Oh well sad situation and wasted opportunity for both club and player, enjoy pre season lads I’ll catch up with ya’s in a couple of weeks!
    HWTL

  • 51 Markaccus // Jul 24, 2014 at 8:21 AM

    Av con

    If you REALLY want to push me and you back into an argument……

    In the east, people actually do eat dogs as its part of their culture.

    In wales, shagging sheep is not part of the culture.

    However, maybe we shouldn’t interact anymore. You got all aloof when I called you a casual racist, saying that I was being a left wing tree hugger, and you put yourself above such arguments, yet here you are trying to start another. I don’t understand, as i thought we were sorted and were getting on ok.

  • 52 martoon // Jul 24, 2014 at 8:28 AM

    The HBA saga was discussed to death yesterday – I feel a little sorry for Jonas & even Obertan who have always done their best (although maybe not good enough) when called upon. However that doesn’t long when I think despite not being wanted anymore their contracts allow them to sit on their *rse and draw tens of thousands per week – I wish I had a contact like that :)

  • 53 Markaccus // Jul 24, 2014 at 8:31 AM

    However… after some research, they do not eat dog in singapore, so i retract that. SOME groups of people in malaysia do still eat dogs, although it is not as common as in some other asian countries.

  • 54 Scottiedog // Jul 24, 2014 at 8:31 AM

    Ravel morrisson anyone?? Swap for benny possibly?

  • 55 Markaccus // Jul 24, 2014 at 8:34 AM

    Scottie

    Ravel morrison is just as much trouble by all accounts :D

  • 56 firebug666 // Jul 24, 2014 at 8:35 AM

    Scottiedog

    But Ravel Morrisson is refusing to have an operation on his groin because he is frightened of being cut. That is why Sam says he is not in his plans this season.

  • 57 Markaccus // Jul 24, 2014 at 8:38 AM

    Jonas is being badly treated by Ashley. Pardew would have used Jonas in the second half of last season had he been allowed to. I think he would have improved our goals-against column, maybe even would have drawn a couple of games that we lost. Anyway, the guy always got stuck in despite certain limitations in his game, and was a.good servant..good luck wherever he goes.

  • 58 Slank // Jul 24, 2014 at 8:39 AM

    toonarmydownsouth

    It is arguable that because Pardew has probably spent more time with Ben Arfa (to cure his errant ways) since his arrival than he should have with any one player other members of the squad are possibly not getting sufficient attention themselves.

    In a squad environment this will probably breed resentment against Ben Arfa as probably all other players would have knuckled down to the health and fitness targets that the coaches have set them.

    I don’t blame Pardew. He has tried, as have other managers, but the players’ bad attitude, lack of discipline and respect to his team mates, the coaching staff, the fans and the club don’t deserve any sympathy.

  • 59 bringbackemre // Jul 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM

    the club feels so souless these days though, and its like were building a completely new style team every season or too most likely to just sell these new talented players at a profit. Players already at the club arnt really being built around and there just seems no stability in the teams at all




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