Newcastle Will Need To Think Big To Sign Grenier


It was news on a Twitter feed yesterday that Newcastle had put in another bid for central midfield target Clement Grenier of Lyon of £7M – and Grenier is a player Newcastle have been after since we allowed Yohan Cabaye to leave in January for PSG.

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Clement Grenier – would be a terrific buy for Newcastle

The source of that news is not really too authentic, and lots of untrue stories do the rounds on Twitter these days.

But we wonder if Newcastle are ready to go in with another bid for the 3 times capped French International play-maker, who would  be a terrific buy for Newcastle United.

The news last week was that Grenier is available to move from Lyon in the summer, but Lyon President Jean-Michel Aulas wants around €15M (£12M) for his play-maker, but Newcastle will not offer that.

Whatever another club wants for a player means that Newcastle will (always) bid less than that – it’s a Mike Ashley law the prevails on Tyneside. 😀

And Grenier has already been linked with AC Milan and Arsenal, and he has said he only wants to join a club playing in the Champions League.

It’s not that Newcastle don’t have the money,  it’s just that Mike Ashley always wants good deals, and we suppose Newcastle think Grenier at £12M is not a good deal – even though we got £20M for Cabaye in January and £12M for Debuchy last week.

Earlier this summer former right-back Olivier Bernard thought Grenier was so good he could move for a phenomenal £20M – with Arsenal said to be retaining an interest in signing Clement.

If Arsenal are really interested in the player it could be difficult to bring the 23 year-old to Newcastle, but what’s wrong with Newcastle bidding a decent £10M as the next step?

Sometimes when you go after some very good players you have to pay out some decent money – and Grenier is a very good player and still only 23 years old.

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153 comments so far

  • nut meg

    Jul 25, 2014 at 9:43 AM

    Comment #1

    Repost
    Jimmy Smith @ 5
    I’ve been a fan for about 58 years & I’ve never heard that story about Bobby Charlton before so I wouldn’t take too much notice of it.
    Markaccus
    Benny doesn’t share his pies…..can you not tell ?

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  • Markaccus

    Jul 25, 2014 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #2

    If arsenal and ac milan want him, then he will be playing for arsenal or ac milan.

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  • Markaccus

    Jul 25, 2014 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #3

    Nut meg

    Maybe thats why the rest of the players don’t like him. He never shares any of his munchies!

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  • Scottiedog

    Jul 25, 2014 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #4

    The only way we will get Grenier is if Sissoko goes…….. Then who you bench????

    We either now get a decent striker in OR give the likes of Arma & Aarons a run in the team till xmas and then get someone in if it goes wrong!!?!?!?

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  • Slank

    Jul 25, 2014 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #5

    Grenier would be perfect for us. He is more the Cabaye replacement than De Jong.

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  • Slank

    Jul 25, 2014 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #6

    Scottiedog

    True, but isn’t that a nice problem to have ?

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  • spitfire_

    Jul 25, 2014 at 9:51 AM

    Comment #7

    Slank

    It isn’t “nice problem to have” just because pardew can’t handle the problems of any kind. His man management is abysmal.

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  • jimmysmith

    Jul 25, 2014 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #8

    Yes, yes, all in all, I think its best to pretend I never heard it. Scurrilous.

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  • beermonkey

    Jul 25, 2014 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #9

    why are people so obsessed with the fact we wont be able to play grenier or some1 else out the first 11 if we buy him
    it goes to show we so used to only having 11 decent players

    we need players like grenier in and more of that calibre we need them in defence and up front

    with our squad and pardew were only ever an injury or 2 away from disaster

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  • DanToon

    Jul 25, 2014 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #10

    My team v Man City so far would be…

    ………………………………..Krul
    Janmaat Williamson/M’biwa Coloccini Haidara
    ……………………………….Tiote
    …….Sissoko………………………………….Cabella
    …………………………….De Jong
    …………….Armstrong……………..Riverie

    Subs: Elliott, Santon, Gouffran, Perez, Colback, Anita, S. Taylor

    Have a real go at them for once…Obviously this wont happen as Pardew is a shocking manager and to scared to attack, hate that guy!

    What do you think?

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  • Mr Magpie

    Jul 25, 2014 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #11

    We have a recent history of returning to previous targets scouted by Carr & are persistent in getting them usually, even waiting till the next window to get the player we wanted.
    This ethic is either based on the hard work & time gone into scouting them or more likely that Ashley just does’nt like being told no!!
    I think there are a few transfers we are in negotiation of which this is one but it all depends on how cheaply we can get him & others in for as usual.

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  • Lew Davies

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #12

    Even £10M is a good price for Grenier, yet fatty is retching at offering £7M.
    It’s so hard to understand why we have to bid low all the time.
    If he is the right player for NUFC then we should just offer a decent amount.
    Why quibble over a couple of mill and risk losing the player.
    The morons running this club never learn.

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  • jimmysmith

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:02 AM

    Comment #13

    Mbiwa and Collocini in central defence and Armstrong and Rivière together up top on opening day?

    Newcastle 0 Man City 5, quite possibly by halftime.

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  • ethiotoon

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #14

    ED…£12m for a player of Grenier type is
    not too much,we offered £10m in January,
    Lyon refused…
    Now Lyon put him for sell,which pushing
    Me to think Charnley & co waiting for Lyon officials to come…
    I will be sad and deeply disappointed if this guy ended up in Italy or Russia…

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  • deeps

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #15

    If we cant buy Grenier..may be we should look at Valbuena..He’s available for just £5 million..

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  • DanToon

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #16

    jimmysmith – wont deny that, but its the best we’ve got in my eyes.

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  • T.T.V.V.T.

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #17

    @Slank
    Exactly fella. Exactly.

    I see a lot of fans are under the misconception that Grenier is exactly the same sort of player as De Jong. He’s not.

    He’s a player who you could say is Cabaye’s replacement. De Jong is not.

    Fair enough, De Jong is a number 10, but he’ll play far more advanced than Cabaye.

    Grenier on the other hand is a Cabaye MK2. And he would play directly alongside Tiote in the middle of the park.

    He played mostly in that attacking midfield role for Lyon last season but that’s only as they’ve got Gourcuff to play deeper.

    I see Grenier as an orchestrator, the type of creativity we need but within the middle of the park rather than in and around their box – just as Cabaye was for us, and is for France.

    £7m will be rejected. If that’s all theyre bidding then they clearly don’t want him that much.

    I’d prefer Sissokko not to go. I think given the right players around him he will excel. But if he leaving then Grenier is a MUST for me. An absolute must.

    And as for those concerned about Arsenal’s interest… You need not be.

    Wenger has openly discussed Grenier and that as much as he likes him, he will not be going to Arsenal. It would only happen if Arteta was to leave, and that’s also been confirmed as rubbish.

    It’s between ourselves and Milan, and even then, they’ve been sniffing around without bidding.

    I would go so far as to say that given the deal Lyon are after, Grenier is ours if we want him. It appears however that we just won’t stump up the cash.

    May have to wait until the last week or so of the window for this one to conclude.

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  • connortee

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #18

    He’ll never come to us EVER!!

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  • Scottiedog

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #19

    With potentially Colback, Anita & Goufran on the bench we are NOT going to get Grenier!! Lets give Aarons / Vukic / Abied a chance!!!! EVERYONE keeps saying we never give the youngsters a run so why not lets do it!!

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  • beermonkey

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #20

    slank/ ttvvt

    is grenier as rounded as cabaye

    cabs could play the holding role as we saw many times he had both sides attack was his best and favoured pos but he was an all rounder in the middle

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  • Mr Magpie

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #21

    BEERMONKEY@19
    He certainly ain’t as rounded as Ben Arfa

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  • beermonkey

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #22

    mr magic

    its relaxed muscle lol

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  • pawl250

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #23

    Grenier is a great player, but if we are going to spend 12m on him or remotely that amount of money on anyone it should be a 15+ goal scorer.

    I love Grenier, I probably would have wanted him over Cabella in all honesty. BUT we do not have him and we do have Cabella.

    Our midfield is currently

    Tiote, Sissoko, Colback, De Jong, Gouffran, Ben Arfa, Bigirimana, Anita, Jonas, Obertan, Vuckic, Abeid, Sammy

    Now assuming Ben Arfa, Obertan and Jonas leave you can maybe say we have room for another midfielder. BUT until then we are arguably strong, or atleast I believe it is our strongest area on the pitch.

    The defence and forward line is another matter.

    For me we need another versatile central defender (mold of Richards), with the view for RTaylor or STaylor or both to leave.

    We need a striker, I mean you cannot think Riviere and Cisse is a strong PL strike force, it just does not compute for me. We need a finisher. Someone who will score 15 goals per season.

    With the above done, then we can talk about Grenier.

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  • nut meg

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #24

    Scottiedog
    I’d want to see our strongest team out to get points on the board before putting young kids in.If we have a decent lead in the game with maybe 15/20 mins to go then we can bring one on but not to start the game.

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  • pawl250

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #25

    For Man City I would go abit more defensive being a big team, albeit at home. Its is still Man City

    ———————— Krul
    ——– Mbiwa – Williamson – Coloccini
    Janmaat ———————————— Colback
    ——– Sissoko – Tiote – De Jong
    ——————— Cabella
    ———————- Riviere

    or

    ———————- Krul
    Janmaat – Mbiwa – Coloccini – Haidara
    ———– Sissoko – Tiote
    Cabella ——- De Jong ——– Gouffran
    —————— Riviere

    I think we should go for either of the two, but I think we would have a great chance of success on the counter. Certainly seems to work for the Mackems who probably have picked up more points up against City than any other team in the last 2-3 seasons.

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  • T.T.V.V.T.

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:37 AM

    Comment #26

    @beermonkey

    Good question. Personally i think he does have those facets to his game. And like Cabaye he’s better when attacking. But he looks a disciplined player and picks and choses him moments to move forward when he’s playing in that deeper role.

    We have Colback and Anita for those positions, this is true. When it comes to the premier league i’d play Colback in there ahead of little Vern every day of the week.

    But at the same time he doesnt have the deep lying creativity of Grenier, and more importantly his ability to move the ball quick when it needs to be moved quick. Or pick a killer pass when he’s given time on the ball.

    Anita is closer to that sort of player than Colback but i always get the impression that teams look to dive on Anita as soon as he comes close to the half way line. They use his lack of physicality against him and we’ve never seen the best of him with regards to his passing.

    I’d love to see Grenier come to NUFC. Maybe it’s cos ive been talking him up so much over the last 6-12 months that i just want to see if he’d be as good as i think he will.

    HAHA!

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  • Mr Magpie

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #27

    beer monkey
    Yeah i’ll see if “relaxed muscle”works with the wife when she tries to put me on a diet!! lol

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  • pawl250

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    Comment #28

    Been reading Mbiwa could be away to Bordeaux.

    If we let him go then we are idiots.

    We should be looking to implement him in the centre this season and based on injury records of STaylor and Coloccini I would think Mbiwa will get his chance.

    For me he is the best central defender we have, just not given a chance in his natural position. He is very similar to Coloccini, and if he were to leave then it would be like for like.

    I think we need another defender to replace Williamson or STaylor as they are just not good enough. Back ups at best.

    I think our best pairing would be Mbiwa and Coloccini but the issue is that they are not the best in the air.

    Still, it would be my choice going into the new season to bed them in properly. STaylor is a disaster waiting to happen against Man City.

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  • walkerlad7

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #29

    Hi all,

    New to the blog

    My team prediction for city will be:

    Krul
    Janmaat collo Taylor santon
    Colback tiote
    Sissoko de jong cabella
    Riviera

    But personally I would like to see cabella where sissoko is and sissoko on the left or where colback is and put gouffran on the left I hope we get a decent striker in I think if we do we’ll get 61pts this season

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  • T.T.V.V.T.

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #30

    @pawl250 (22)
    Yep. Pretty much mirrored my thought with this post.

    Grenier over Cabella for me initially. Think the guy is one Hell of a player.

    But Cabella is here, and should be great himself.
    De Jong is in also, so creativity wise we look strong.

    Striking wise though its much too much to ask Riviere to take the goal scoring burden himself.
    And i say that because nobody knows how the heck Cisse will perform this season.
    We are desperate for a top striker more than any other position on the pitch. It’s pivotal to our entire set up and threat this season.

    Look at the season where Ba and Cisse played together. Teams sat deeper and had trouble breaking us down due to our work rate.
    Without a top striker we may find that we’ve got the creativity to play some attractive stuff, but we leak goals for fun.
    Best form of defence is attack and we need a player who can get you a goal. Force the opposition onto the back foot.

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  • beermonkey

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #31

    pawl

    you can take benny obatan Jonas and bigi out of you list
    and vuckic and abied

    Jonas although still on the books wont play for us
    benny don’t need to explain
    obatan worthless
    vickic not good enough struggled to get a game in league1
    abied would have been sold already if the club he had been onloan at had any cash
    bigi didn’t make the tour and will prob go out onloan

    take them out and it doesn’t look that good
    depending how Aarons does I would be inclined to use him as an impact sub and cup games but this would hinge on how he does against the tougher sides we have coming up

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  • walkerlad7

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #32

    Would anyone play this

    Krul
    Janmaat willo mbiwa hadaria
    Sissoko tiote
    Cabella dejong santon
    Riviera

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #33

    whatculture.com/sport/newcastle-transfers-magpies-really-bid-7m-clement-grenier.php

    __

    We bid 7million for grenier? It can fetch the half of him here. Why even believe this stupid rumors?

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  • pawl250

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #34

    beermonkey

    I agree but we still have

    Tiote, Colback, Anita, Sissoko, De Jong, Gouffran, Cabella and Sammy

    With that said who do you drop to bring Grenier in, think about it.

    For me our best way to get our current midfield on the pitch is

    Sissoko – Tiote
    Cabella – DeJong – Gouffran

    Subs Anita and Colback

    If Grenier comes in do you move Sissoko wide?

    Grenier – Tiote
    Sissoko – De Jong – Cabella

    For me its stronger, but you are taking Sissoko out of his prime position as seen with France. It would be like playing Cabaye out wide.

    I just don’t get why we would buy Grenier when Sissoko is a great player in a different way. And we have creativity in De Jong and Cabella.

    I am sure Sissoko is creative aswell given he got more assists than anyone last season.

    Grenier is a luxury we simply do not need more than a striker.

    I think our defence is ok, but it clearly needs a revamp, get rid of likes of RTaylor, STaylor, Williamson and bring in better players. No doubt Colo will leave.

    For me Mbiwa is the only one I would keep in the central position and start thinking around that. I understand Colo is our captain and he has more experience but he wanted to be away, and I am sure he still does and is simply counting down the days.

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  • beermonkey

    Jul 25, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #35

    pawl

    if mbiwa goes
    to think we will line up with saylor and colo at the back the combo that we went down with is terrifying
    lets hope we bring some1 in

    ttvvt

    strikers

    I think we have more goals in a midfield than we have had for a long time riviere is an unknown we just don’t know how he is going to get on
    cisse we know when confident and with a team creating chances he will score were also more set up to get the best out of him
    I do think we might go till xmas and the reassess the situation
    problem with that we might have to pay more, or it could be a chance to get pea if he is not paying

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  • barkel

    Jul 25, 2014 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #36

    where do people think we’re going to get a 15+ goal scorer from!? would love to see it but it’s not very realistic. last season there were 10 players scored 15+ , 3 of them were at city and two at Liverpool

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  • Mr Magpie

    Jul 25, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #37

    Pawl250@27
    Yeah exactly mate. Collo seems to have got his head sorted & has looked back to his best again. Mbiwa has plenty of potential & pace too, just needs to keep his head & not dive in.
    I would be happy to see Williamson & Saylor go if Richards was loaned in with the option to buy if he remains injury free & bring through Good & Satka.

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  • Pottsclock

    Jul 25, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #38

    I think Aarons has a reasonable chance of being on the bench and getting some game time because he has raw pace and is the type of player that can be brought on in the last 20/30 mins when either defending a lead and looking to break, or needing something different to get a goal.
    If you remember in 2011, Pardew used Obertan off the bench in a similar way but because it was Obertan he was cr*p.

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  • pawl250

    Jul 25, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #39

    Ideally this time next year I would like to see

    ——————- Krul
    Janmaat – Mbiwa —- ????? —- ?????
    ———– Sissoko – Tiote
    Cabella —— De Jong ——— ?????
    —————–??????

    Subs Elliot, Santon, Williamson, Colback, Anita, Gouffran, Riviere

    Reserves Alnwick, Haidara, Cisse

    The ???? are places we could improve.

    You cannot tell me we have a great left back.

    Colo will be a year older and should be on his way out the door.

    Gouffran has qualities but he is not a quality player. He is a good hardworking player.

    We need a 15+goals striker.

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  • Sliema

    Jul 25, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #40

    Barkel

    Benteke, PEA, Hernandez (if he is starting)

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