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Ben Arfa Will Move To A Bigger Club

8:47 am, Wednesday, July 30th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 269 Comments

The relationship between Hatem Ben Arfa and Newcastle manager Alan Pardew seems to have broken down irretrievably, and that means there is no future for Ben Arfa at Newcastle United, and he will be at some other club by September.

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Ben Arfa – will move to a Champions League club

And there was recent news that AC Milan are interested in taking the French International winger, although with his contract running out next summer, Ben Arfa is likely to leave Newcastle on loan for the season, and then he will become a free agent next summer.

Newcastle will want to get a fee for the player via a permanent move, but Ben Arfa has every right to bide his time until next summer,  when he can get a better deal for himself with no transfer fee involved.

That’s especially true because of the conflict that exists between him and the manager at the moment, and his Newcastle departure is very similar to the circumstances he left Marseilles four years ago when he moved to Newcastle, when he had then fallen out with then manager Didier Deschamps.

What’s that about history keeps repeating itself if you don’t learn from your mistakes?

AC Milan are on the lookout for a left winger, and Ben Arfa could fit the bill for them, and news today that Liverpool are interested in him.

But if he does move permanently, then  exactly what fee Newcastle would receive for him is a good question – but we’d be surprised if it’s much more than £4M – given the Magpies are trying to unload him this summer.

Ben Arfa is being treated like a pariah at the Tyneside club at the moment, and for his own good he should be playing at some other club come September, and we think it will be a Champions League club he finally ends up at.

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269 responses so far ↓

  • 1 surreytoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 8:53 AM

    Given he only has a year on his contract it would be a very low fee for a team to take him now as opposed to January or next summer. £3m and take it.

  • 2 Graeme // Jul 30, 2014 at 8:55 AM

    There isnt exactly a queue forming up outside SJP trying to sign him up, thats for sure. Maybe if P45DUE swallowed his pride, kissed and made up, he would get far more from HBA in a much more attacking team than we have put out in any of the last few seasons!!

    He has 4 months to make HBA look great again and engineer a possible move for him in January!!

  • 3 AmeriToon // Jul 30, 2014 at 8:55 AM

    I would love to see his talent get a fresh start at a great club like Milan. I think the slower pace and less physical Serie A would be perfect for Ben Arfa.

  • 4 surreytoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:00 AM

    Says something about Obertan that he is happy to sit at home vegetating picking up wages rather than actively trying to find a new club. What a waster.

  • 5 WLtoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:10 AM

    The more we get for HBA, the better chance we have of signing a striker.
    Its about generating funds before we can buy.
    Get the dead wood out asap,generate the 10 mil, and Lacozette is a poossibility,providing Mashley adds another 2 mil to the kitty out of his ever increasing wallet of course .

  • 6 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:13 AM

    It’s time the fans faced facts and accepeted that there’s no way back for Hatem.

    He’s obviously shot his bolt with Pards and “that’s all she wrote” so to speak.

    AC Milan would be a great destination for him:

    *A team on the rebuild but with a fantastic histoty.
    *Great fans.
    *Slower paced game to utilise his talents
    *The best pizza restaurants in the world

    It’s win-win…
    We sell Hatem to a non-English team and a brilliant one at that. He gets a good move and we get him off the wage bill.

    I think we should be looking to sell him for anything over £2.5m
    He’s got a year left of his contract and he’s completely out in the cold, so there’s no way we could demand much higher.

    Thanks for the memories Hatem, but your time is up son.

    Arrivederci.

  • 7 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:17 AM

    @WLtoon

    Pretty sure its more to do with reducing the wage bill before we buy to be honest.

    We had a £15m offer sitting there for Remy whilst he messed about with Liverpool. So there’s money available and ready to spend.

    There’s no denying however that Ashley and Co hope to get rid of some of the dead wood.

    I heard it was possible Goots may have his contract terminated, Marveaux has been shipped off for the season, and Obertan is definitely not wanted, and could probably go for £1m.

    For me; its more to do with the wage bill than generating funds to pay for the transfer fee. Obviously we will take as much as we can, but i get the impression they’re not expecting big fees at all, as its been such public knowledge that these lads are not wanted here.

  • 8 dannitoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:22 AM

    Send him to fat club

  • 9 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:22 AM

    Less said the better, AC Milan & now Liverpool linked to him as well…strange especially considering “he doesn’t work hard enough” and he isn’t good enough to go to a “bigger club”

    WL Toon – please explain to me why we need to sell before we can buy?

  • 10 Markaccus // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:24 AM

    To the people complaining about 2 games in 2 days….

    This has been done before many times at many clubs during freindly season….

    No player will play more than 90 mins over the 2 games, and i would suspect that out possible first team will get a full half together, gradually being changed during the second half of one game. I would expect them to play most of the final freindly together, too.

  • 11 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:27 AM

    As for reducing the wage bill haven’t we done that with the sale of Cabaye, Debuchy and Marv, shola, gosling, LDJ, Remy (who cost the same as 2 players wages), Newton, Tavernier and so.e of the other youngsters that have been shipped out

    The players that have come in are here on less money than the ones that have left. If we are looking to sell before we can buy then what happened to TV deal money? What happened to the lack of spending over 2 windows?

  • 12 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:29 AM

    Markaccus

    These type of friendly tournaments have been played for many many years, strange the some are panicking about this….We have a squad for a reason

  • 13 Markaccus // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:37 AM

    Our Toon

    Exactly. Sometimes i think toon fans seem too keen to find fault with our preparations. I think we all need to calm down and see what actually happens, rather than predicting what MIGHT happen :D

  • 14 expatmag // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:42 AM

    TTVVT

    Best pizza restaurants on the world???????

    Never.

    Best pizza restaurants in the world are in Melbourne mate. Suburb of Carlton also known as Little Italy

  • 15 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:43 AM

    Good luck to Benny is he leaves for a club like AC Milan…would fit him well!

    …and yes history does repeat itself just ask players like Tevez or Mascherano (coach dumpass has done it again…good work)

  • 16 WWSBRD // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:43 AM

    Cant see Liverpool seriously wanting Hatem, Milan yes because they are struggling and the calibre of the player they are looking to bring in has dropped. Its a good move all round if it happens…or if we can offer him plus money to Lyon for Lacazette but thats unlikely to happen

  • 17 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:47 AM

    Anyone on Spotify or something similar?

  • 18 Jail for Ashley // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:47 AM

    Our Toon,
    Hall and Shepherd are lambasted on here for taking money out of the club, in their time we had one of the best stadiums in Europe built, high profile managers (albeit some shite) and top players on top earnings yet only managed to get ourselves in 80M debt, now the only thing left on that list is the stadium and apparantly Mike Ashley isn’t taking any money out, where is it going ???

  • 19 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:55 AM

    @Expatmag

    The best pizza restaurants in the world are in a suburb of Melbourne in Oz?

    Nonsense. I reckon Adelaide Terrace in benwell does a better pizza than those gaffs in Melbourne!

    Milano man! Stands to reason they’ll be able to throw together a lovely spot of bait.

    Hatem will be in his element.

  • 20 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:56 AM

    @WWSBRD

    Can’t see Hatem going back to Lyon.

  • 21 Toonfan8 // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:58 AM

    HBA to Milan, yes it can be, Milan like that type of transfers these days…they dont have enough money to buy players at their best, last year they had Taarabt on loan..I think, he will go there on loan, or they buy him for 2-4M…more not, forget 10M transfer, nobody is going to give us that money for him (last year of his contract,unsettled here,AP doesnt want him here)…

  • 22 OhSholaAmeobi // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:58 AM

    AC Milan are dire these days, real shadow of their former selves

  • 23 WWSBRD // Jul 30, 2014 at 9:59 AM

    T.T.V.V.T.
    Me either but its worth a try if, as reported, Lyon want him

  • 24 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:04 AM

    @WWSBRD

    I’d be very surprised if Lyon wanted Ben Arfa back on their books.

    However if it is the case, then sure.. offer him as part of the deal. May kill two birds in one stone.

    We end up paying about £12m cash for Lacazette and he takes over on the wage structure that Ben Arfa had in place.

    Makes sense.

    Too perfect though. Things like this never go perfectly for us.

  • 25 scitoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:08 AM

    Hilarious. Where are the bids from the big 4 in the EPL for Benny? No one wants him because his attitude stinks, on the pitch and off it. Could you see LVG or Jose putting up with him? No, so why should Pards?

  • 26 potski // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:10 AM

    AC Milan are not a Champions League club – they finished 8th in Serie A, with the top 6 qualifying for Europe.

  • 27 scitoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    Anyone on here going to the Schalke game this Sunday?

  • 28 Toonfan8 // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    AC Milan is now in the shadow of Berlusconi priorities, he seems to doesnt carry anymore, which is a shame. Milan is my second team after Newcastle and it deserves better owner, somebody who cares…I have now two my teams having owner who dont care…but in past Berlusconi did care and give fans 28 trophies in his 28 years in club…8 league titles and 5 champions league titles

  • 29 Sav // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:19 AM

    …As long as its conditional that the buying club also takes Obertan.

  • 30 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:19 AM

    Two teams?

    Aye, i support two teams too.

    The first being Newcastle United and the second being Newcastle United Reserves.

    Two teams? MEH!

  • 31 WWSBRD // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:20 AM

    T.T.V.V.T.
    Very true mate it’ll never happen. At this point getting Benny off the books is probably pretty high on the priorities list though so Id imagine they will try anything they can think of

  • 32 Ethiotoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:20 AM

    Toonfan8: Let Milan have Taraabt or benarfa or both…so that we r free to get
    Grenier, best young MF at the moment..

  • 33 Toon-Prodigy // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    About time this wrongin was shipped out..

    I’v just read further down a question regarding why we need to sell before we buy.

    We don’t need to. Mike Ashley is always looking to reduce the wage bill though, this is his model, he has done it since he came here.

    Personally im not too excited right now, it’s just more of the same circus, the same merry go round. Cash conveyor.

    We have only replaced what has left and who is out in the cold.

    I can’t see any true squad depth being added so far. Prove me wrong please Mike?? Same old same old, replace only when we have to, nothing more. Good first eleven then the jump im quality to the back up is severly lacking. Deja vu?

    It’s still the same, lacking in parts of the team. For the supporters who feel and think different, just wait until injuries set in and watch us crumble.

    Then bang on que, calls for Pardews head will start.

    More signings needed in this window for a genuine chance for the team and coaching staff to give the top eight a real go and compete.

    Im waiting Mike..

  • 34 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    @Sav

    Obertan needs to go like. Deffo!

    Can’t see any club in the EPL taking a gamble on him though?

    Maybe someone in his native France will have him back?

    Either way, we need to ship him out quick…

    Squidward is abysmal.

  • 35 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:22 AM

    scitoon…you know it’s not like any other of our players who underperformed (that is most actually) or those being disregarded by coach dumpass are in high demand if you want to add that to your brilliant conclusion!

    …and our coach, is he is demand somewhere?

  • 36 Toonfan8 // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:25 AM

    T.T.V.V.T.
    I am not from Newcastle or England…and yes I have two teams Newcastle and Milan…Newcastle is number one

  • 37 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:25 AM

    Jail

    That is the question mate where is the money going?

    Scitoon – Ahh yes that old chestnut again of would LVG or JOSE put up with HBA, probably not is the answer, but ask yourself would either of those managers get the best out of HBA….YES which would mean a happy HBA!! So what was the basis of your argument then? I’d be surprised if he did join a top 4 team though but he looks like he will join a team that’s bigger than us!! Shame but that’s what happens when muppets are in charge.

  • 38 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    Very talented boy but massively over rated, he does offer a handful of goals/assists but nowhere near a player of iOS ability should be getting.

    Modern football doesn’t allow for passengers anymore, times have changed, I thought we could carry him but we simply can’t after seeing last season.

    There are a few others last year who have less ability and also a poor work ethic so not just a dig at Benny, all players need to offer commitment (but also need a decent level of ability too), one without the other is no good to anyone.

    He won’t get a top club, he’ll get a club similar to us in league position I think.

  • 39 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    Jesper

    I know your a fan of HBA but the size he has come back to the club in must annoy you?

    Surely what he should have done is work on his fitness to allow him to do the hard work but also allow him to impress with his ability, making him very dangerous both with and without the ball to prove the manager wrong.

    I’ve been in teams where I struggled to get games, but I worked hard to improve certain areas of my game to get back in the side and take my chance. I didn’t just sulk and get fat like he seems to have.

    I also don’t really like pardew but at the same time Benny has fallen out with every manager he has had, so this can’t be just don’t to pardew I don’t think.

  • 40 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    The closest Newcastle have come to having a ‘coach’ in high demand is when we were given that one for the first team for ‘gratis’ by the Sultan of Brunei.

    Talk about luxury travel!

    Mind, he took it back sharpish. Didn’t like the direction the club was taking, or some crud.

    Like i say; a coach in high demand.

  • 41 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    Jesper

    The dole office are shocked Pards has managed to hold down a job for more than 2 years. Do you think noes a good time to tell Scitoon of Pards accomplishments as a manager? Or rather lack of accomplishments!!

  • 42 RUNAWAY777 // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    just seen this Newcastle misfit Hatem Ben Arfa is wanted by AC Milan – he has been told he can leave the club for a fee in the region of £12m. haha

  • 43 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:37 AM

    Surely they mean £1.2m???

  • 44 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:37 AM

    Ben arfa and taraabt lol.

  • 45 scitoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    OurToon – Well, Deschamps is a pretty good manager and Benny fell out with him too. If my memory serves me right, there were 3 promising players coming out of the suburbs of Paris. They were mates and they were set to take on the World. One was Benny, the other two were Benzema and Nasri. So is it just a case of bad luck that Benny played under Deschamps and Pards? Why has LVG, Jose or any other great manager not managed Benny. Why haven’t they seen the potential and tried to sign him? Relevant questions i think. My argument has a solid foundation as it is based on fact. Your argument is an assumption that Benny would be a happy superstar under LVG or Jose.

    Jepser – Pre-Xmas we were performing. Sure, post-Cabaye things did not work out. Benny underperformed all season. Have most of our other players reported back over weight? Hardly the sign of a hard working team player.

  • 46 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    Transfer Sage

    HBA has only been used properly during 1 spell and that was the season we finished 5th, after his return to full fitness he provided goals, assists to an attacking team. Why on earth we went backwards from there is beyond me, it’ll be interesting to see what happens this season with the likes of Cabella

  • 47 RUNAWAY777 // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:42 AM

    just had another look T.T.V.V.T and it says 12m mate

  • 48 scitoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:42 AM

    Jesper – I know Pards is not the best manager around – except for that season he won the LMA – nor do i agree with his tactics, subs or that we cannot score from a freekick/corner. Trust me im not pro-Pardew. I just don’t rate Benny anymore and i don’t see why people stand up for him and say he would be great for a Champs League team. Why is it automatically down to Pards mismanagement?

  • 49 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    our toon

    Benn has had more than enough opportunities to impress. He shows flashed of utter brilliance, some magical moments that will live in the memory (goals against blackburn and bolton come to mind) but ultimately he isn’t a team player, he needs to do the defensive/pressing/covering work when needed….the same way all players do these days.

    He has had problems at all his teams, very rarely (if ever) reached double figures for goals or assists at clubs anywhere in his career (even in dominant french sides winning the league)….he just hasn’t got the consistency of a messi/ronaldo where you can cut him a bit more slack.

  • 50 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    @RUNAWAY777

    How on earth can they expect 12m for a person in the last year of his contract?

    Who is massively out of favour?

    Obviously written by another clueless journo who knows nothing about the player, club, or circumstances of the transfer.

    These people are being paid to do this job too!

    Annoying!

    12m??? Get lost!

  • 51 scitoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    Totally agree Transfer but regardless of what is said, some people will always keep their blinkers on.

  • 52 Jeff from Benwell // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    Jailforashley @18
    You have to consider a political career
    With your grasp of finance you would make a great
    Chancellor of the Exchequer turning a blind eye to reality
    NUFC under Shepherd (Hall was a sleeping partner by the time MA turned up) indeed had a debt of ONLY £80 million. However it was making losses of £35 million a year and was looking at implosion within 5 years easy.

  • 53 Markaccus // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    No one will pay 12mil for a player who has to buy his kit from Jacamo.

  • 54 Markaccus // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    .@ManUtd’s Luke Shaw admits that manager Louis van Gaal was right to question his fitnessbbc.in/1AxKoWJ pic.twitter.com/wUAqYGRMry

    Now there is an example of a professional attitude.

  • 55 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    Scitoon

    That’s not the same Nasri who fell out with Deschamps is it? Nasri didn’t get selected by Blanc because he is disruptive, the same Nasri who fell out with Mancini and Wenger!! In fact Wenger said that players like him always need an arm around them and need to feel loved, if they don’t feel like that they under perform. Bearing that in mind look at how Mancini approached Nasri, cold shoulder, said he’d punch him. Yet the old **** (as Percy referred to him) put his arm around Nasri and gave him the right loving and last season Nasri was class for them.

    As for LVG and Mourinho not wanting HBA, do you blame them? They have managed Robben, Hazard, Ronaldo, Ribery etc. In the past. They have the money to go out and get the very best so please stop with this nonsense of bringing those types of managers into this debate. HBA is decent not a world beater like the others I’ve mentioned so wouldn’t get a look in at the type of clubs they manage. I’ve always said he will move to a bigger club than us because of mismanagement.

    Now look at pards record, Tevez deemed not good enough to play upfront so shoved on the LW, Mascherano couldn’t get a game ahead of Mullens and Red Coker!! Explain that one

  • 56 Markaccus // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    Mancini is a great manager, but he is also a moaning old ****. I don’t see why being a good manager should make him imune from being told as much. Fergy is a horrible **** too, and everyone dances round it because of his success.

  • 57 RUNAWAY777 // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    T.T.V.V.T. thats the fun of being a nufc fan u never no whats going on pmsl

  • 58 Jeff from Benwell // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    I love that Red Coker me

    It tastes of cherries ya knaaa

  • 59 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    I’ll be watching Hatem’s games at whichever new club he plays for. After all, Tevez didn’t score in 13 games under Pardull. Is he an ineffective player? No.

    Pardew will be one relieved puppet with these few players in as it distracts from the simple fact that he should not be still employed here.

    The more he stirs and hypes the new players and dreamy talk of Champions League (which he’s never accomplished before) the further it is away from the negativity surrounding his continued employment.

    He’s a very lucky puppet indeed.

    Don’t forget, Pardew out!

  • 60 Markaccus // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    Wenger is a twisting, ignorant ****.

    Morinho is the only one i like, because he has the media convinced he is a mad ****, when really he is playing them like a finely tuned fiddle.

  • 61 jimmysmith // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    The writing has been on the wall for a year with Benny. Ever since he was consigned to the role of impact sub, which seems in hindsight to have been wishful thinking or simply kicking the can down the road. Sent on ideally to run at tired legs when the game was stretched. Of course we were the team with the tired legs, pretty much on every occasion, as it turned out. Should have sold him 12 months ago, when we could have and at a decent price.

  • 62 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    our toon

    I don’t care about tevez and mascherano, how do we know what they were like at west ham, how do we know what they were doing? we simply don’t

    there might have been valid reasons not to play them at that time, we simply don’t know.

  • 63 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:01 AM

    Luke Shaw is 19 and managed by someone who has won multiple honors in various leagues. Our esteemed leader has won the Johnstone paint trophy. Interesting that LVG thinks Ashley Young can play wing back though, they have an interestingly attacking formation

    Transfer

    In his last 2 seasons with us HBA hasn’t played 30+ games but he still has the best chance conversion and most assists per minutes played. I agree he is very hit but a full season and he would get in double figures. In a team that scored 40 odd goals last year. Tactic last year was losing 2-0 bring HBA off the bench with the instructions of….Please get me out of this mess. When he doesn’t blame him for the defeat.

  • 64 Markaccus // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:01 AM

    T sage

    Given what happened to WHU over their transfers, i think there was more to them not playing than simple tactics. I am prety sure they never wanted to be there, and that the agents only got them there to get them inside England.

  • 65 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    Post by Niafron a number of months ago about Hatem’s history which I thought was very good as he has followed him a lot closer than probably all of us through the years.

    Worth a re-post…

    Well, first wasn’t Lyon, but Marseille who let HBA go on loan…Lyon sold him to Marseille for 15 millions. He went out of the club cause of a fight in the dressing room with Sebastien Squilaci and also (according ot the rumours) cause he and Karim Benzema courted the same girl.

    Concerning Marseille, they finaly tried to keep him at the club, but he broke everything in the office of Chairman Jean claude Dassier and then went on strike.

    So they finally accepted the (pretty cheap) Newcastle’s offer… His first (and last) true season with Lyon he was a starter the first 5 month.

    At the Winter Breal, Lyon was ahead everyone with at least 10 points (maybe more, can’t remember).He was also brilliant in CPL. He was benched for the dressing room problems i mentioned above and Lyon made a very quiet season end (they were champions but with a small margin and MU kicked them out easily of the cpl).

    Then, his first season with Marseille, another astonishing 5 month, and he was benched again cause Gerrets didn’t like his work rate in training.Marseille season’s end was far more difficult…

    Then, his last season in France.
    Deschamps didn’t make him play the first sixth month cause he never considered him a serious player (he still doesn’t).But he was short of players. So he was forced to make him play 3 months as a starter.Marseille was in the 3rd or 4th positions maybe 7 or 8 points behind the 1st of the chart, Bordeaux. After these 3 months, they took the lead with 5 or 6 points…They were champion with the same margin but without HBA, cause Deschamps kept him on the bench for a very defensive tactic once Marseille was ahead. During his time as a starter, was just incredible to watch him play. So it was a direct relation between his performances and those of his teams.

    And exactly the same thing happened with NUFC. Our best period under Pard, was our 7 win in a row during spring 2012. The best period of Beny as well…

  • 66 Markaccus // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    My boss has not won awards in his feild, so i guess i dont have to do what he says….. champion, i am off to the pub, on full pay. Who’s coming? I am buying, its on the company!

    Ok i am being a bit trolly, but players should follownsimple fitness orders nonquestions asked, regardless of who the manager is.

  • 67 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    markaccus

    yeh my thoughts, or maybe some sort of fee involved if they played X amount of games…anything could happen with that dodgy agent they had (kia joorabchian)

    out toon

    possibly, or maybe starting games he might have struggled to have the same impact as he did against tired legs…who know, but usually starting does get more goals.

    I still think you need to look at his team play not just chances conversion, marvoux created loads of assists but ultimately the rest of the time he didn’t bring enough to the side to be more than an impact sub….summed up nicely by the standard of club he has joined now.

    I keep going to this but last year in liverpool vs west brom, cissoko was out of position for liverpool so sturridge dropped fully into left back for a good minute until they won the ball back and doing things like that (rooney does simialr at man utd) they both get 15-20 goals a year….so shows talent/goals and hard work defensively can go together, doesn’t need to be one or the other.

  • 68 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    “During his time as a starter, was just incredible to watch him play. So it was a direct relation between his performances and those of his teams.”

    A key paragraph in my opinion.
    Best we’ve seen under Pardull was when we played 433 and actually attacked. Sure enough, Hatem is sparkling. Which is a similar story at his other clubs.

  • 69 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:09 AM

    Transfer Sage

    Tevez was played as a LW, Cole or Harewood preferred upfront. Liverpool bought Mascherano in the winter window when pards was sacked and Tevez who hadn’t scored in 13 games for pardew, went on a scoring run which kept West ham up, he won rave reviews because Curbishley played him in his rightful position and allowed the team to attack. Tevez on the back of them performances went to that small club…Man Utd. Read what the players thought of pards, arrogant is a word they band around after his 1st season in the prem with the hammers. Gone before Xmas in the following season after getting knocked out by Chesterfield in the cup and Palermo in the UEFA Cup. Sound familiar?

  • 70 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    our toon

    Well aware of pardews record, always sacked as soon as it goes tits up, we’ve let him get through that and he went from 5th to 16th to 10th….new territory for him now, so no previous to know how he will deal with this.

    I’m not confident but we never know.

  • 71 Jeff from Benwell // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:13 AM

    The Pardew haters use selective argument very well.
    ie
    Argument By Selective Observation:

    also called cherry picking, the enumeration of favorable circumstances, or as the philosopher Francis Bacon described it, counting the hits and forgetting the misses. For example, a state boasts of the Presidents it has produced, but is silent about its serial killers. Or, the claim “Technology brings happiness”. (Now, there’s something with hits and misses.)

    Casinos encourage this human tendency. There are bells and whistles to announce slot machine jackpots, but losing happens silently. This makes it much easier to think that the odds of winning are good.

    In the case of Pardew , by all means mention his cock ups but you must also mention
    Manager of the Season
    Fifth place in the EPL 1st since SBR
    Knocked out of tht Europacup in the QF by one goal by the eventual winners Benfica

  • 72 scitoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    OurToon – Think you backed yourself into a corner with that one. For me, a bigger club could only mean a Champs League team (Chelsea as an example) or indeed a big team who had 1 off season (Man Utd as an example). So if HBA is not in the same league as Hazard etc but can play a bigger team than the Toon, who exactly are you referring to if not the likes of Chelsea and Man Utd?

    Yes, i agree Nasri also has a chequered past. Regardless, the point is he is a player in demand. Not the same as with Benny who apparently is so good that it must be Pardew’s fault he is over-weight.

    I am not a Hammers fan so i couldn’t accurately comment on the Tevez and Mascherano situation. Were they at the same level then as they currently are atm? Given they signed for West Ham, im thinking they weren’t.

  • 73 Graeme // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:16 AM

    Jail @ 18 – If you are interested in the “Inner Workings” of NUFC, I would suggest you will enjoy a book by Dennis Cassidy, former CEO and Chairman of NUFC.

    He covers the period of Sir John Hall, his son & Sheppard, all the way through to last year. It makes remarkable reading and is available from Amazon for under £5.00

  • 74 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:16 AM

    Transfer Sage

    The 2 lads you mentioned are English lads, I agree team play is incredibly important mate but what was the team doing in that 2nd half of the season without HBA? We had 11 grafters on the pitch and we broke more unwanted records. Defeat after defeat with 11 grafters, grafters are important but creating chances is also working for the team….not many of them at the club

  • 75 Graeme // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:17 AM

    JFA – the book is called “The day the promises had to stop” You will enjoy it I think.

  • 76 jimmysmith // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    Melbourne does have the best pizzas in the world, by the way. A thick homemade wedge, oozing with generous fresh topping, none of this pre prepared shit, made to order, and the best coffee, hands down.

  • 77 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:21 AM

    our toon

    I agree you can’t have just grafters or just lazy and skillfull, but why can’t we have skillfull grafters, why can’t ben arfa work hard as well?

    Other skill players do it, look how much running and closing down they do at barca, he needs to take responsibility in as well.

  • 78 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    Scitoon

    The 2 clubs he is being linked with are bigger than us AC Milan and Liverhampton. Tevez wouldn’t have got his move to man utd and Mascherano wouldn’t have moved to Liverfool if they weren’t good

  • 79 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    our toon

    To add to that….if a player works hard but has little talent well you can’t ask for more, they are doing there best, no matter how much they ‘try’ they can’t do the things ben arfa can.

    but there is no reason benny couldn’t have gotten fitter over the summer and done the hard work as well as use his skill.

  • 80 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:28 AM

    Transfer Sage

    I wish he would close down more often but look at how the team is set up….sit back and contain, so that’s pressing out of the window, players are asked to occupy an area.

    Unfortunately this is something which needs to be learnt from a young age. The Barca set up has taught them all to press high up and hunt in packs, they all do it as most of them are a product of the youth team.

    Oscar, Willian and Ramires have all said that they were taught the importance of working without the ball when they were young. Then look at the players they have taken over Kaka, Ronaldinho….players who don’t do nothing when the team hasn’t got the ball

  • 81 Jeff from Benwell // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    You are all wrong
    When I worked in the NAC shipyard in Trieste we used to eat pizza to die for
    I still regularly dream about it

    http://www.nac.trieste.it/

  • 82 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:32 AM

    our toon

    I will disagree with some of that, I don’t think it needs to be taught from a young age, if somebody asks me to press i am capable of that, if they ask me to occupy space i can also do that…nothing some time on the training ground can’t sort out in a fairly quick time.

    Look how quickly bayern adapted to guardiola’s new style (i preferred there old style mind).

    I do agree it’s the team set up to not press, so i don’t blame him too much for that, I do think he could support his fullback more though, but he isn’t the only one, we have a few like that in the side who give up tracking back.

  • 83 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:33 AM

    Benny was unprofessional by coming back 3lbs over weight but look at Marveaux he came back in great shape and was made to train with he reserves. Look at the loyalty shown to Jonas, he stayed with us when in the championship and showed great loyalty, he’s been made to train with another club. It’s a 2 way street mate we have shown zero class and professionalism as a club with them, I think Benny knew he was off this summer no matter what shape he came back in.

  • 84 Ian Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    Jeff from Benwell – I don’t recall reading such valid and well balanced posts in response to the ad nauseum drivel that the usual suspects post in condemnation of Pardew.

    If he was going to be sacked it should have been after his head butting incident when I thought he could well have been charged with bringing
    the club into disrepute. It didn’t happen.
    For those of a mind to constantly abuse him at least change the script……it’s immature and juvenile. You’ll be calling Ed Miliband a geek and weird next!
    If it’s any consolation managers are rightly judged on their success or
    otherwise in the transfer market. If talk of competing for a CL place is
    backed by transfer spending then Pardew will be expected to deliver.

  • 85 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    our toon

    Well again it depends what marv and jonas have done, if they deserve it then fair enough, if they haven’t then the club should be ashamed….we really don’t know either way.

    I just go off the fact that if a manager thinks a player can do a good job he won’t chuck him away.

  • 86 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:38 AM

    Jeff (pardew haters selective argument)

    Yes he won LMA award and richly deserved, gave Benfica the toughest game of that campaign agreed. Beat Man Utd away (Moyes affect) Let’s now look at what you didn’t want to talk about.

    Lost 3 derby games in a row not done since 1920s.
    Lost 13 of last 18 games
    Lowest home goals total
    Knocked out of cups by inferior teams throughout his management spell.

    I can go on mate if you wish

  • 87 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    our toon

    I hate the wait and see approach but we know Pardew is here this season, it’s confirmed isn’t it so we might as well see if he has learned.

    He was always sacked as soon as things went wrong at previous clubs so it will be nice to see what he can do after going through the bad time at a club and if he learns to adapt and turn it around.

    Might as well just enjoy the ride.

  • 88 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:45 AM

    Transfer Sage

    Come on mate Marveaux openly criticised Percy for not using him properly, Jonas was a favourite until he said the lads weren’t made to work on the opposition in training. We had no plans to counteract teams and pards said we didn’t have time to prepare because of Europe league. Jonas was never seen again in a toon shirt, since then the PR campaign has been in full swing stating if he plays another game then he will get a new contract. Pards turned on Carr when we were fighting relegation saying he hadn’t given him the correct players

  • 89 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    Jeff

    Excuses like the grass was too long and blaming the press for a defeat at Stoke to add to that list, and his headbutt!!

  • 90 Jeff from Benwell // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:47 AM

    Our Toon
    I didn’t have(not want) to talk about them because they are repeated ad nauseam
    By they way interesting fact
    the only Lpool manager to lose 3 derby matches on the trot
    He also lost 5 -0 at anfield to Everton

    Bill Shankly 2 years before he won his first title

  • 91 Markaccus // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:47 AM

    Jonas mistreatment is from Ashley. Pardew would have used him in the second half of last season had he been allowed too. Its all to do with the contract extension.

  • 92 Macas // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    Our Toon – Why do Newcastle fans always have to bring up Tevez and Mascherano, something that happened 7 or 8 years ago? And isn’t it possible that these players weren’t used to the league when they first arrived and got better in time? Mascherano featured in 7 games under Pardew, and West Ham lost them all. Curbishley never played him at all when he took over. As for Tevez, he may have asked him to play in a different position, but it is also possible that the player took time to adapt to the league, as many South American players tend to. I just don’t see how that’s relevant. Ben Arfa is good at times, but his intelligence, positional play, and work rate are poor in my opinion. He has the ability to be brilliant, but bad decisions on the pitch and an inconsistent end product are his main issues.

  • 93 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    Transfer Sage

    How many times is this nobody going to be giving a chance mate. His Cons massively outweigh the Pros

  • 94 Toon-Prodigy // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:50 AM

    I love reading this blog.

    Most seem to think it’s either black or white and it’s all down to Pardew if we succeed or not. What a load of sh*te.

    The main problem at this football club is the quality of the squad depth and the mis-timing with the selling and not replacing our better players.

    Those are Mike Ashleys decisions and it is why we have stagnated mid-table.

    We are never building to succeed, we are always replacing what we have sold for profit and this shows with the displays each season. If we showed some ambition we could keep our better players but he dosn’t want to, he wants profit over ambition. I hope these season tickets have dwindled because this man has took the p*ss for far too long.

    There is much more than a manager needed to have success on a football pitch.

  • 95 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    Macas

    Read what Tevez says about pards. He likes him as a person but as a manager he says the guy has no clue. Mascherano wasn’t used by Curbishley because Liverpool signed him in January window, he must have been that bad in them 7 defeats that Liverpool thought let’s buy this rubbish player. Most of you like to point out that HBA hasn’t changed and he’s always a trouble maker etc. Well the same can be said for pardew, a leopard never changed its spots.

  • 96 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:56 AM

    Toon Prodigy

    Indeed there is…which is why I boycotted last season and missed my first toon game in 15 years!! I’m made the decision not to attend until these muppets move out!!

  • 97 Thump // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:56 AM

    @Macas: Because Pardew hasn’t learned from those mistakes. He never learns, he just convinces himself that he was right and moves on.

  • 98 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:57 AM

    our toon

    Well that could undermine the manager, therefore for fringe players it might be wise to move them on, especially if they cause unrest….even if they are right in what they say.

    I think that Pardew has a lot of chances but the club are giving him another, so might as well see if he has learned from past mistakes.

  • 99 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 11:58 AM

    Anyway enough of the outcast HBA.

    We all agree we need a CB and a CF does anyone feel we may need a LW?

    Who should be top of out priority list (excluding a new owner and a new manager)?

  • 100 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:03 PM

    our toon

    Not too sure really, I think we need a CB but would need to offload 1 or 2 to get one in as we already have 4. Would like Vlaar from villa.

    As for a striker, i’d like us to be ambitious and go for benteke.

  • 101 Markaccus // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM

    Our toon

    Priority for me is a 15 goal forward (if at all possible)
    Then a centre back. If we sell/loan MYM, then a CB becomes first priority. I am not worried about a winger, as i think we have players who can cover there very well.

  • 102 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM

    Transfer Sage

    I remember watching the Arsenal game away and Alan Smith who’s a numpty was saying newcastle are still playing the same way as they started the game 2-0 down. Surely the manager should make change to try to get back into the game, at the end of the game pards came out and said we caused them problems we had chances but never took them and that was the difference between the 2 teams, we had 2 shots on target and lost 3-0. He sky pundits ripped into him saying he must be watching something completely different to the rest of us. Bottom line this idiot just doesn’t have a clue, look at his career and read what other fans from previous clubs have said about him you’d soon realise he hasn’t changed.

    Things like default mode being long ball football, no plan b, defensive set up, dire football. All things that get repeated wherever he has managed

  • 103 Jeff from Benwell // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:07 PM

    Debuchy wasn’t allowed to leave until Janmaat was signed sealed delivered
    With Cabaye I think the club was caught n the hop
    I believe in typical Gallic fashion he broke his word having pledged himself until summer he then naffed off to Paris over the New Year break.
    That’s the best explanation of the total disarray in NUFC after his departure

  • 104 Markaccus // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:08 PM

    Cheick Tiote is in and around the squad, Riviere, Perez, Yanga-Mbiwa, Haidara, Dummett and Anita also on team bus #

    11:57am – 30 Jul 14

    Apparently a sprinkling of experience in the team tonight. According to Lee Ridescock

  • 105 Ethiotoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM

    Looks like we have a chance on loic Remy as QPR to sign Iceland striker from
    Ajax…
    But why rumor of french dou Grenier and lacazatte quiet..?
    Any news ED…

  • 106 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM

    TS & Markaccus

    Vlaar is a good shout but at 29 I just can’t see the fat controller sanctioning that. My first choice would be Micah Richards can play fullback youngish and English.

    We defo need a striker that can get 15 goals, I don’t want Remy but would like Hernandez or Benteke

    I hope Aarons can make the step up this year and is given the chance

  • 107 expatmag // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    Jimmy smith

    Where in Oz are you

  • 108 Toon-Prodigy // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    Good for you Our Toon. It’s not a good thing as a whole I know, but 7 years of this is more than enough.

    I agree on that, Vlaar, Benteke and a natural winger who can occupy both sides if called upon.

    I’d be impressed then.

    Sorry to be a little on the negative side with my posts but so far i’v seen nothing to suggest we are actually building a quality squad to compete once injuries set in, at the moment i only see us replacing.

    I can’t see much to shout about. Fingers crossed he actually spends some of what the football club has actually made. There is no excuse for him not to.

  • 109 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:14 PM

    Ethiotoon

    Why do you want Remy he’s rejected us twice and has refused to play for us against Liverpool!!

  • 110 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:14 PM

    our toon

    Vlaar still has a good 3/4 years so if cheap not too bad, although if a large fee then we won’t be able to sell and get any of that back so maybe unlikely.

    I’d like us to get benteke, lukaku, remy or hernandez….realistically think only remy or benteke are plausible as the other two will have better options i feel.

    I know people don’t like the idea of remy rejecting us a couple times but can you blame a player for being ambitious and wanting more for himself? I’d rather that in a player than obertan who is just happy to pick up his wages and not even play.

    As for Micah Richards, no thanks, good player but very poor fitness record last couple years, not worth it. I do like winston reid mind, good player.

  • 111 beefman13 // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    Mark Knopfler – Going Home (theme of the local he…: http://youtu.be/CagybSu2lNo

    Cabella, colback, Riviera, De Jong, Jan matt, Perez, and whoever else we sign, get this music in your bones and give every last ounce of sweat for our magnificent Toon; you will be loved idolised worshipped and adored, it’s got to be worth it surely!

  • 112 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:17 PM

    Toon Prodigy

    I said the other day that we’ve only replaced what we had, but if I look at the squad we had last year compared to now then it can be argued that we have a weaker squad now. Unfortunately reality on this blog is misconstrued for negativity.

  • 113 Rainrix // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:17 PM

    Benteke’s injured till october. That’d be too much of a risk for ashley imo. Buying a crocked striker who wont appear for 10 + games plus likely a large fee. Surely that money would be better spent on a striker who’ll actually be available at the start of the season?

  • 114 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:20 PM

    TS

    I really like Winston Reid of WH, I don’t mind players being more ambitious mate but he rejected us for QPR then he refused to play in the last game of the season…that’s just not acceptable in my eyes

  • 115 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:21 PM

    our toon

    Personally think we have a stronger squad than this time last year in most areas.

    Lost cabaye, remy and debuchy who actually played

    we have janmaat, de jong, cabella, colback, riviere, perez….not too bad in my opinion.

    I think if we can get a good striker in we will be much better off than last year, all opinions though.

  • 116 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:23 PM

    our toon

    I think on remy the QPR thing make sense for him….he wanted a bigger club than both us and them, but by going to QPR he knew he’d start and also got a release clause incase they went down.

    with us he’d have had a 6 year deal so hard to find another club as they’d need to pay top dollar, at QPr he had that get out.

    Not playing against liverpool was disappointing I agree, but he probably thought he would never be back, so was thinking of himself….it’s not good, not a team player but for 99% of the time here he was fantastic for us and played well in games.

  • 117 Sliema // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    There is not a single big club interested in him. And rightfully so.

  • 118 Toon-Prodigy // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    Our Toon,

    I can agree with that, and bare in mind we have to give time to bed these players in also, not to mention they may not fare well in this league at all.

    Once again we start from scratch and have to get a unit of players to get used to a system working with each other and getting to know each others games. It can’t be healthy bringing so many faces in at once at a time. Yet this is what happens when we leave ourselves desperado. This is twice now because we havn’t built sufficiently over the last however many windows and showed some ambition.

    It all boils down to a lack of ambition for me.

    It’s my bedtime now, good chatting to you.

    Catch you later.

  • 119 Ethiotoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    Ourtoon
    Because he is an alternative if we fail to get lacazatte or PEA.it seems a striker is a must now as cisse may head to ACN in middle of season.

  • 120 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    TS

    He played for a move to a top 4 club. Demba Ba had no issues in getting a clause so don’t see why it would have been difficult for Remy, personally think let him play in front of 17000 that’s what he signed up for.

    We’ve lost: Cabaye, Remy, Debuchy, HBA, Marveaux, Shola, Gosling

    Bought in: SDJ (not better than Cabaye) Cabella (hopefully better than HBA) Riviere (not better than Remy) Colback (different player to Gosling but looks a lot better) Perez (development squad) Janmaat (probably on par with debuchy)

    Would you say that’s a fair assessment?

  • 121 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:36 PM

    Ethiotoon

    Won’t pea be joining him at ACN?

  • 122 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    our toon

    benny not gone yet but likely so fair enough, marv never played last year (maybe a couple subs at best so no loss)

    I think de jong is different to cabaye but the combination of him and cabella will bring more to the side than cabaye and ben arfa makes room for him.

    colback mcuh better than gosling but gosling barely played

    perez/armstrong can easily step and fill the gap of shola’s 2 goals

    janmaat not seen much of but should be a good enough repalcement.

    So ultimately think we will be better off, especially if our business isn’t done, seems we want another striker.

  • 123 Macas // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    Our Toon – Mascherno was rubbish when he first arrived, I don’t blame Pardew for not playing him. This just seems to be the new bandwagon for people to jump on to have a go at Pardew, regardless of the facts. And Curbishley could have selected him for the rest of his games but didn’t bother.

  • 124 gazzaforever // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:42 PM

    This is a great ews for all the wnkers in this site, like Jeff, Markaccus, Transfer, and so many more, who love Pardew and hoof ball , even if they deny it. Pardew killed Hba I hope he will come back to life and show you how wrong and pathetics you lot are

  • 125 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    gazza

    Pretty sure I have never once claimed to love pardew or hoofball, in fact i wanted him out last season.

    Just because I don’t rate HBA doesn’t mean I do rate Pardew.

  • 126 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:49 PM

    Pardew did nothing to HBA, the lad ha had problems everywhere he has been and always failed to live up to his potential at all his clubs.

  • 127 jeraziah // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    Ed, or any of you on here.. Is there any Fantasy League yet? If so whats the code to join? Was fun last year.

  • 128 Belfast // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    I read this morning we’re looking 12 million for him lol

    Probably get about 2 million considering the circumstances.

  • 129 DokToon // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    gazza,

    take that attitude wear-side, where you belong…

  • 130 DokToon // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    belfast,

    were holding out for HBA = 20 mil, plus two cases of pies…

  • 131 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    dok

    it’s just annoying at times, why can’t people just debate with others and actually read what they say instead of just thinking they are the only ones with the right answer

    i’m of the opinion HBA isnt consistent, if he moves elsewhere and proves me wrong i’d happily admit that, but not seen anything of him to make me think i am wrong.

  • 132 Belfast // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    I think he’d be great at Liverpool to be honest.

  • 133 Belfast // Jul 30, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    He doesn’t look fat in the recent photos I’ve seen of him.

    He was a fat kernt last season like.

  • 134 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:00 PM

    Macas

    You keep believing that mate, he moved to Liverpool in the same league last time I checked and seemed to do well enough there so yeah you are right must have been settling in issues, he must have adapted to the premier league whilst being on the bench warmer.

  • 135 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:02 PM

    TS

    I agree HBA isn’t consistent but I don’t feel anyone is at our club…apart from Percy who’s consistently rubbish at managing!! If we sign no one from here on in then it’s not been a good window

  • 136 Jail for Ashley // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:03 PM

    Jeff from Benwell,
    I understand that we needed a shake up and that the club was running at a loss but we would have been much better off being bought by somebody who actually gave a fcuk about the club and it’s supporters rather than to solely futher their other businesses.

  • 137 Jail for Ashley // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:06 PM

    Sheperd has to take a lot of the blame for selling us to the first person who came along.

  • 138 g.s.tooner // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:07 PM

    @expat Re: Ashley not investing further
    If this is true, it suggests that there is a clear balance between outgoing and incoming finance.

    Bearing in mind that we have a policy at NUFC where at the point of signing a player we put aside the wages for that player for the duration of their contract, do you think that the sale of Demba Ba, Cabaye, Debuchy and the finances that frees up in terms of unpaid wages covers the costs of the transfer fees and long term wages of Cisse, Anite, Biggi, Sissoko, YMB, Goufran, Haidara, Remy, Colback, Perez, Riviere, Cabella De Jong and Janmaatt?

    I worked out the incomings from Cabaye, Ba, Debuchy to be – £57.6 m.
    We also got £130 m from premier league and europa league performances in the last 2 years.

    A player for 5 years costs 15.6 mill in wages @ 60 k.

    I dont think the numbers add up, so to sign the players we have there must have been some further investment. What do you think?

  • 139 Macas // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:07 PM

    Our Toon – I actually remember him playing and being very unremarkable when he first came. Can you remember him playing any blinders for West Ham when he first arrived?

  • 140 DokToon // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:08 PM

    TS,

    good morning bud..by the way, your opinion is totally WRONG! :)

    i agree, this blog, at times, is very opinionated, theyre right, everyone else is a mackem…

    my take, which is the correct one, by the way, is HBA, while inconsistent, is the product of pards, finding us trailing by a goal or two, puts him in in the 80th minute and says, “go get us a few”… so its a tough spot for him, asked to create a wondergoal, after being on the bench for 80 or so minutes. so he then feels pressured and takes on two or three defenders, and not much luck with that…

    i think hes a great talent, but talent alone cant get you ahead. you need insane determination… but as once said, “wasted talent is the biggest crime of all”… will wish him the best, wherever he ends up… unfortunately, it prob wont be with us..

  • 141 Jail for Ashley // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:11 PM

    TS,
    I know you are in to your stats and figures so I don’t know how it plays out when it comes to saying we have a stronger squad this season, surely the lack of PL experience has to come in to play, I remember people saying at the start of last season we had the strongest squad for years yet after a few injuries and Cabaye going we fell apart at the seams, especially when it was shown that our fringe players weren’t good enough.

  • 142 Jail for Ashley // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:16 PM

    g.s tooner,
    I heard from the horses mouth (Lee Marshall) at a fans meeting last year that we were the sixth highest spenders because we’d spent 30M in January, they only included the actual fees that other clubs paid when making up this league table, surely if we add a players wages to the transfer value we tell us fans, then surely the 12M Debuchy went for should have his 4M wages added meaning we recieved 16M for him.

  • 143 g.s.tooner // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    @ jail for ashley
    Indeed that is what I have done.
    Debuchy had four years left on a contract of 40k (estimated) a week – 8.3 million
    Cabaye had 30 months left at 60k (estimated) – 7.2 million
    Ba had 18 months left at 50k – 3’6 million.

    Add them all together with fees of 39 million gives 57.6 million in total from all of them combined

  • 144 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:33 PM

    Listen if you guys are going to make this about the 1,5 kg (I lost that yesterday), then you are out of your minds!

    …Benny should have reported back in shape, but surely coach dumpass could have acted like an adult and taken note from LVG (read the story about Shaw)…

    TS…I have played professionally and I have never seen such behavior (it borders to harassment)

    Shall we talk about what this is really about?

  • 145 Rake // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    IF he goes to a bigger club I doubt he’ll make the first team very often…

  • 146 bladeuser // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    Hba could still could play a part
    Anything can happen in football u just have to cast your minds back to the teves situation with man c his position was as dire as u could get yet he got back into the team like i say anything is possible

  • 147 Jail for Ashley // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:39 PM

    Jesper,
    Was that 1.5kg of bullsh!t ;)

  • 148 Markaccus // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:40 PM

    Jesper

    I think most people are making it about his attitude more than anything else.

  • 149 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:42 PM

    Jail…I wasn’t able to loose as much as you

    …more bullshit to loose it seems ;)

  • 150 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:48 PM

    Mark…you know the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist!

    …coach dumpass is nothing but a con-man I think. He has spinned this one perfectly :)

  • 151 Markaccus // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:51 PM

    Jesper

    Without trying to argue too much. There is no spin about Ben Arfa’s attitude. Past managers agree. I have spoken to people who have met him, they say he is arrogant. Other players dislike him. I think accusing Pardew of harrasing him is going too far personally.

  • 152 Markaccus // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:54 PM

    …and the devil does not exist imo, and niether does god. People do good and evil things off their own backs, they don’t need help from sky faries and subterranian goblins :D

  • 153 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    jesper

    What ado you mean what it’s really about? I think pardew doesn’t like players who don’t work hard….ideally i’m sure he’d like 11 boys like cabaye with skill, grit and graft in them, it’s ideal…he doesn’t want 11 donkeys out there surely.

    Jail

    I like stats but they don’t prove everything, need to be put into context.

    I think lack of prem experience is a problem, but at the same time hopefully the scouting is good so we have bought players who’s natural games suit our league and they adapt well.

    I don’t think we are a lot stronger, just have decent quality brought in and are a little better off, if we can add to it this next month even better.

  • 154 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    Mark…I suppose they do…well is explains something about this situation then I think!

  • 155 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:57 PM

    jesper

    I agree pardew hasn’t helped the situation at all, he could probably do more to manage the team and set them up better, try to get benny to buy into the philosophy (and also get a philosophy to start with).

    Neither are entirely guilty but neither are innocent in my opinion.

  • 156 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 1:58 PM

    TS…it’s not about the 1,5 kg

    …this one is personal – just like it always gets with Pardew.

  • 157 Jail for Ashley // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:00 PM

    TS,
    If we can add another couple of players I will be very happy and feel as thougfh we are moving forward, if not all we have really done is replaced what has left which will keep us comfortable until we sell and start all over again, can we keep avoiding relegation with this policy.

  • 158 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:01 PM

    @Jail for Ashley

    I was at that same meeting pal. I remember Lee talking as if we had been massively active in the window.

    And as you say, they normally twist it anyway they can in order to sound more favourable.

    If they’re talking about including wages in terms of what’s out going then surely the same applies when a club buys the player from us during the course of their contract?

  • 159 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:01 PM

    TS…it’s not about anyone being innocent or guilty it’s about proper conduct…

    …we have been told alot about Benny’ suppose conduct, but not really witness it. The coach’s conduct is there to be seen.

    It all sells like bullshit to me regardless of what has done or not done.

  • 160 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:05 PM

    jesper

    From the photo he looked a lot more than 1.5kg over weight, but if that’s the official line i’ll accept it.

    All I’m saying is that you say we see Pardew’s problems…well what are they with ben arfa?

    How do we know that ben arfa isn’t the problem? (given his past record he may well be, although not enough to judge him on his past) He may be very unprofessional with training or not have followed the team plan on the pitch when given a chance.

  • 161 LGFUAD21 // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:06 PM

    Our Toon

    and Jeff

    I think it is harsh to accuse Jeff of not wanting to point out the misses when his original point is that nobody looks at the positives. He was presenting logic and you reinforced his point.

    I will lay them out here
    Pros
    LMA
    Good Europa campaign
    5th place finish
    Worked on a very limited budget to those before him he gets judged against
    Showed determination to get out of relegation battle (not as easy as it looks) SEE NEGATIVE RELATING TO THIS.
    First half of last seasons form
    Seems to have a good relationship with players (Benny and Marv being the exceptions)
    Rebuilt a whole squad in his first preseason.
    Potentially pulling off another great redesign this preseason.

    Cons
    Relegation scare.
    Negative or sometimes just puzzling tactics inc substitutions.
    Pellegrini and Meyler scandals.
    Not playing Ben Arfa (according to some on here)
    Cisse as a winger.
    Second half of last seasons form.

    I wouldnt choose him as first choice either but seriously take a look at both sides and you see a much more clearer picture.

    1 good season, 1 terrible season, and third full season with 1 half in fine form and the second in woeful form.

    Very limited squad to work with. Ok some manager will get more out of players but its not like we’ve been in a position to play a ridiculous number of ways with squad depth. LVG isnt getting criticised for playing 3-5-2 at Holland and now Manu to accommodate for Mata, Rooney and RVP (his 3 best players).

    Pardewed played a 442 because Ba and Cisse were neither wingers and we didnt have a better option. We had a few great games with 4-3-3 with Ba on the wing. BA wouldnt play wide next season and we saw the atrocity of Cisse on the wing to accommodate Ba. So Pardew reverted. Remy couldve played wing but you all criticise Pardew for playing Tevez wide when Tevez could play wide.

  • 162 DokToon // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:10 PM

    mark @ 152,

    that made me crack up, well done:)

  • 163 Markaccus // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:12 PM

    Dok

    Us athiests still have humour, despite our Damned Souls :D ;-)

  • 164 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:13 PM

    TS…we don’t seem to know anything beside what the management let slip though other channels (that is the spin part)…

    …of course I don’t think Benny is blameless – it’s never that simple. All that matters is how we go from here.

    Benny was never going to get back in regardless of the 1,5 kg. Benny might be his own worse enemy, but that that doesn’t justify that’s going on. And remember it is not just Benny.

    I know we will probably always disagree on this, but I just saw your comment earlier, and it provoked me a bit – especially because it came from you (one I respect on here)

  • 165 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:14 PM

    @Transfer Sage

    On which photo does Hatem Ben Arfa look more than 1.5Kg over weight?

    Please don’t tell me you’re talking about the one where he’s in jeans and a white t-shirt?

  • 166 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:14 PM

    Macas

    No is the answer you are looking for but how many did play well under him at WH? No one because he hasn’t a clue…We’ve done a fill circle mate

  • 167 ilovetoon8788 // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:19 PM

    so the isla rumors has died?

    lol

  • 168 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:24 PM

    If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother, that person is a piece of sh*t .

  • 169 Big Pappa Cissé // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:26 PM

    Look how fat HBA is:

    http://t.co/QncrAoeJb9

  • 170 DokToon // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:26 PM

    divine reward = cold, umlimited beer at the local on a friday ;)

  • 171 DokToon // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:27 PM

    oh, and its all free :)

  • 172 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:27 PM

    jesper

    I defended benny before, but I would like to see him work much harder on his fitness so he can do a lot more work for the team and keep his pace/energy up for the whole game.

    I agree there are plenty others with less ability and less effort. Then you have players who should be working hard on their technical abilities as they have the fitness.

    Then also the manager should be working hard to improve his knowledge and make sure he is getting the best from the players.

    My whole issue with ben arfa is we know the manager isn’t going anywhere, that’s almost a given, seems unsackable….so it’s pointless keeping a player, no matter how good we think he is, when he won’t get a game…does nobody any good.

    I just think ben arfa’s career has been riddled with problems, no idea how much is self inflicted and how much is his various managers frustrations.

  • 173 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:28 PM

    BPC…how dare he look like that!

  • 174 beermonkey // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:28 PM

    according to

    Soccer Sauce @soccer_sauce · 39s

    Breaking: Romelu Lukaku is an Everton player.5 Year Deal

    its not on sky yet but everton have tied down barkley

  • 175 ilovetoon8788 // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:31 PM

    good cracking signing from everton for Lukaku. stamping their authority in the league. will be a very tough team that.

    i don’t think we’ll sign another player until there’s a departure. most likely Arfa has to leave before we sign anyone else.

  • 176 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:32 PM

    TS…I get get what you are saying and it is not that I really disagree with your point. Problem is just because coach dumpass is unsackable it doesn’t give him the right to treat others the way he does…

    That is my whole problem with it all – I just hope it comes back to bite him in the arse!

  • 177 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:36 PM

    Regardless of Benny we need to deal with this coach dumpass conundrum or this whole charade turns in to “Groundhog Day”!

  • 178 Jail for Ashley // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:36 PM

    https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/premier-league-reports-lukaku-set-huge-everton-deal-131336899–sow.html

  • 179 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:38 PM

    jesper

    It depends if it’s justified, again like you say we don’t know as we don’t see.

    But hypothetically pardew could tell ben arfa and marv to work on fitness, they fail to meet requirements, then they don’t follow team plans so really it’s then fair punishment.

    But if he just doesn’t like them then he is in the wrong and it’s very unprofessional.

  • 180 beermonkey // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:39 PM

    ilovetoon

    if its true he is a great signing a tying barkly down on a 5 year deal is good for them to

  • 181 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM

    Beer…do we know how much he went for?

    …brilliant signing by Everton.

  • 182 Ibizatoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

    Jesper…Hello mate, hope all’s well.

    Not wanting to start anything, I’m just curious though, how has Pardew treated Benny?

    Only dealing with what we know as fact and not based on personal opinion / speculation?

  • 183 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:44 PM

    TS

    Have you seen the recent picture Big Pappa just posted? Doesn’t look fat to me

  • 184 beermonkey // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:45 PM

    jesper

    good day sir how are you

    no nothing on the price I posted what was on the twitter feed and put on sky sports news

    I have just asked an everton fan I know (he is gloating) not I think we were ever in for him

  • 185 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:46 PM

    TS ..it was reported that both Marv and Obertan had worked with a personal fitness coach over the summer.

    …Shaw reported back to Man Utd not proper fit and was given an individual fitness program by LVG. A great manager unlike our coach I think.

  • 186 beermonkey // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    jesper

    just been told Between 25-28m not sure of exact amount

  • 187 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    Beer…I just great thank you for asking. How’s the missus treating you these days?

    …it really is a great signing by Everton and you are probably right we were most likely not interested unless we could have in on loan ;)

  • 188 SUFC_rule // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    you wish you had Max Clayton.

    BTW, my insider at Sunderland says they are in advanced negotiations with Ronaldinho

  • 189 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:49 PM

    *am

  • 190 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:50 PM

    Beef…that’s a hefty price – out of our price range no doubt

  • 191 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:50 PM

    Jesper

    Luke Shaw returned to Man Utd in good condition for the new season the only issue he has is that LVG wants his wingback bombing up and down the wing and Shaw was deemed to not be fit enough for that task.

    The player has since said it’s an alien concept for him which is why he needs to get fitter to play that type of role, amazing what a bit of constructive coaching can do

  • 192 beermonkey // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:52 PM

    jesper

    she is treating me great as she is out shopping so she is happy

    chatting to an everton fan he reckons they have only paid 5mill up front in the lakaku deal

  • 193 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:52 PM

    Good to see you Ibiza…I am not sure what we know here as fact? What have you heard?

  • 194 Mister Tuff // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:52 PM

    Interesting bit earlier about argument by selective observation -cherry picking facts to suit an argument etc. Noted it was supported by Ian Toon.
    Great idea providing everyone sticks to the same formula. The laugh is that Jeff from Benwell who mentioned this in the first place later says that Cabaye had an agreement to leave this summer. Load of rubbish – see the quotes from Cabaye who said it was the January window -note not refuted by the club. Another invented fact or cherry picked from the fable tree.
    Other have listed the pro’s and cons of Percy and surprisingly missed off the list that magnificent paint trophy win.
    Lot of bollocks talked today and definite greater presence by Percy accolites who are slowly emerging from their hiding places – starting to crow because of our recent decent signings.

  • 195 Pottsclock // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM

    If Pardew was picking on HBA then it would do him no good whatsoever with all the other staff and players.
    If HBA is turning up for training on time, working hard, watching his weight, working for the team and generally behaving as the well-paid professional he is then surely Pardew would have no issue with him. If he was doing all those things but Pardew still picked on him, we’d have a mutiny with general discontent. Same applies to Marveaux.
    The fact that we don’t suggests that Pardew is setting the boundaries for all the players, and then disciplining those who overstep or don’t adhere to the rules. The same would happen with any decent manager.
    However, that does not make Pardew a good tactical manager or strategist in terms of how the team play. But that, to me, is a separate issue.

  • 196 DokToon // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:53 PM

    jesper,

    why is it out of our price range??? if everton can, so should we…. in my humble opinion, that is…

    and g’mornign ibiza… hows the string bikini and fence circuit treating you these days? :)

  • 197 manxpie // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:55 PM

    Ben arfa is a millionaire ” athlete ” Ffs
    People saying Aww he’s being mistreated or he just needs to be shown some love are mental
    He’s payed very very well to keep himself in shape and do his job and he’s failed on both parts in the last 18 months,
    If it was willo who was so unprofessional and the club fined him for it noone would say a word about it
    Plus remember how good we were to benny wen he had a snapped leg spending most of it with his family in sunny africa,
    Sorry but all of this 8s his own fault

  • 198 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:56 PM

    Beef…will be interesting to see what the terms of the agreement really is – great signing non the less.

  • 199 toon kk // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:56 PM

    Benny is being treated like an out cast by Pards. No wonder his heart isn’t in it these days. He’s so tallented but wasted.

    I’m glad to see some new faces through the door, at least it’s given us fans some hope. But tbo it’s still a ridiculous way to run a club, MA has done the same again, waited to he absolutely had to spend or we would have been relegated.
    Let’s hope he gets a proven goal scorer in because with injuries we could still struggle.

  • 200 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 2:59 PM

    Dok…put those lite beer away will you – Newcastle spending money that is just outrageous!

  • 201 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:00 PM

    Manxpie

    I’m sorry mate what does being a millionaire have to do with anything? Have a look at the recent photo posted mate than by all means have a rant if you think he’s overweight

    BTW the fat controller is a Billionaire owner when are you going to scream and shout that he doesn’t spend enough of his own money compared to less well off owners?

  • 202 manxpie // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:01 PM

    Ourtoon problem is its about a month late isn’t it? Or did he put the wrong dates in his calander for when he was supposed to be fit for pre-season?

  • 203 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:02 PM

    Dok…I have told by Belfast that it’s because of his short attention span Ibiza keep popping in and out these days.

    …are there any truth to those rumors?

  • 204 Ibizatoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:02 PM

    Jesper…That was my point really. I’m going to climb back on my fence for a minute….

    …right, that’s better :)

    It seems your argument is that we know what Pardew is like and what he has done, but not Benny, so we should give him the benefit of doubt, but maybe I’ve misread?

    I just don’t see why we can’t all draw a line under this one. We know Pardew isn’t the best and likewise, we know the same about Benny.

    Granted Benny has a greater potential, but it hasn’t been realised anywhere, not just under Pardew. This can’t be just about management, surely his own attitude / commitment has to be a big part of it?

    I fully accept Pardew could / should have done a better job with Benny. I think he did try for a fair time, but I honestly question Bennys attitude (speculation) as I question Pardews too.

    I get the feeling you believe that Pardew has tried to make Benny the fall guy for all of our woes. I personally think that’s stretching things a bit too far. He has accused him of being lazy and not getting involved in games enough.

    For me, it’s a fair point. I can also see the argument that within a better setup (or a better manager), Benny could naturally do better.

    Anyway, I’m rambling and have no idea how to bring this to a close…anyone willing to help?

    No? I wonder if anyone will notice if I just climb down of this fence and walk off….

  • 205 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:03 PM

    *been

  • 206 Ian Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    jeff from Benwell. @52 10.47 am
    Typical JFA not letting the facts get in the way of a good story. He makes it up as he goes on
    The day the promises had to stop
    by Denis Cassidy (RIP)
    Amberly Publishing, £9.99
    Reviewed by Mark Brophy
    From WSC 12 February 2013

    As calls for improved governance of football clubs continue to be made, Denis Cassidy’s experiences after being appointed a non-executive director of Newcastle United in 1997 give an illustration of just what can go wrong. He remained in position for 20 months, during a period which spanned the removal of Kenny Dalglish and appointment of Ruud Gullit as well as the News of the World undercover sting which forced the owners Freddy Shepherd and Douglas Hall to leave the board for a short time.

    Despite the inside track he can provide, the book itself is a mixed bag. Though it’s styled as an attempt to show how the creation of the Premier League has affected the game in England, much of the book sets the scene for the section describing events during the short period Cassidy was on the board, and concludes with a run down of his thoughts on how to ensure success. Alex Ferguson’s views on success might prick up a few more ears, ?of course.

    That’s not to say that there isn’t interest in the rest of the book. Cassidy’s insider knowledge isn’t limited to the period of his tenure on the board and his excellent contacts mean the reader is often left wanting to hear more. At one point, he reports meeting Lord Taylor just after the delivery of the report which changed English football post-Hillsborough, frustratingly without any record of the conversation.

    It’s that 20-month period in the boardroom where the book comes to life, however. Though current owner Mike Ashley doesn’t escape criticism, Cassidy clearly disapproves of the way the Shepherds and Halls ran Newcastle; he calls them “vandals” at the point they are trying to force their way back into control of the plc board. He suggests John Hall used the club first as a promotional vehicle for his own regional interests then later as a cash cow for his other businesses. Cassidy points out that Newcastle abandoned corporate governance best practice when they removed independent directors from the board in favour of the majority shareholders’ nominees. The Shepherds and Halls are painted as draining the club to the point of financial chaos, to their own personal benefit.

    The final implied criticism, left to an appendix on the last page, is both the largest and via its format least open to argument. Without commentary, it’s an account detailing how much was taken from the club by the Hall and Shepherd families in their time at the club between 1996 and 2007. The total comes to nearly £144 million. As Cassidy succinctly puts it earlier: “Did their performance over that period justify such rewards?”

  • 207 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    Ibiza…have you been writing on that since the day before yesterday? :D

  • 208 T.T.V.V.T. // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    Im confident Lacazette will sign.

    End.

  • 209 beermonkey // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:05 PM

    jesper

    it was a big price for lakaku but worth it when you think they sold hairbear to man u for 28 and didn’t really spend so for them I spose its a swap lakaku for hairbear

    got a great first 11 everton but like us when injuries come there bench isn’t that great but some good u and coming players

  • 210 Ibizatoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:06 PM

    Howdy Dok!

    The string bikini (Yeah, just the one…I use it all summer long) is holding up well, thank you!

    Has your son been signed up by NUFC yet?

  • 211 Ibizatoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    Jesper… :) No mate, work came up yesterday so I just buggered off without as much as a goodbye!

    Rude, I know!

  • 212 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:09 PM

    Ibiza…you seem to get my point more less…maybe with lesser shades of grey!

    …my point was a tad more colorful ;) but the essens is about right.

    I know you see it either plain differently or like it is being spinned…or there about!

  • 213 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:11 PM

    Ibiza…yes that was rude – been meaning to want to talk to you about that!

  • 214 mindshaft // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:14 PM

    Surprised that no clubs have tried to sign HBA given his fee will be relatively small,
    Personally think he’ll be lucky to get a starting berth at a champions league club

  • 215 Ibizatoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:16 PM

    Jesper…All I will say then mate, is I think you are perhaps a little guilty (just a little bit though) of allowing your dislike of Pardew and your likeness of Benny cloud your judgement.

    As TS has said earlier, whether right or wrong, if Benny wanted to force his way back in to Pardews plans he could have at least tried.

    This isn’t me saying Benny is worse than Pardew, not even close, just that I think you’re a bit too lenient on Benny and on this issue, too harsh on Pardew.

    How do you think Pardew has handled Obertan? :)

  • 216 Our Toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:18 PM

    Manxpie

    I don’t see how it’s late, has the season already kicked off. He got fined and I believe we were right to fine him for his unprofessional behaviour…pardew seems to have a short memory though didn’t he headbutt someone and not get the sack or told to move onto another club? No he got a fine for his error. Was that to late as well?

  • 217 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:19 PM

    Ibiza…that first paragraph if you switch it around a bit is probably the main issue – and the fact we really don’t know anything – on all parts, me, you and TS to name a few.

    …or is this one me again? :)

  • 218 Ibizatoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:21 PM

    Jesper…No no, it’s just you mate :)

    Only joking, but have to split.

    No doubt the benny / pardew issue will raise it’s head on here again soon…

    Take it easy mate.

  • 219 manxpie // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:22 PM

    23 mill is the supposed fee for lukaku we should be all over that 2 great seasons in prem still only 20-21
    He’ll be worth suarez money in a couple of seasons I can’t even see any gamble in it really
    Don’t know why mourinho dislikes him so much find that very strange especially since they’ve replaced his replacement with his replacement

  • 220 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:22 PM

    Ibiza…I think coach dumpass treats people he want rid off for whatever reason like he treats Benny, Ober, Marv, Jonas or any other lad who might stand up to him, question him or wrong him in any kind!

  • 221 Sliema // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:26 PM

    Decent goal. One for the future? :P

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata&utm_source=dlvr.it&v=KjOnPPPyRO8&utm_medium=facebook

  • 222 Transfer Sage // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:30 PM

    manx

    I heard a journo on the radio from belgium during the world cup saying in belgium lukaku is not regarded as highly as benteke as they feel lukaku drifts through games, not bringing others into play as much as benteke….knwoing mourinho it could be along those lines?

    Also I still think you need to treat some players with an arm round them, it’s easy to say he gets a fortune he should play better but when that money becomes the norm it’s no extra motivation….always good to manage people differently.

    jesper and others

    I agree with some comments, the manager has been given many chances after finishing 16th, pushing a linesman, headbutting (however gentle) a player, etc so he should understand the concept of redemption and forgiveness.

    Ideally benny comes back fit, plays with skill and hard work and we get the best of both worlds. Seems their relationship is past the point of repair as both seem stubborn people.

  • 223 manxpie // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:31 PM

    Ourtoon arfa was rightly fined and made to train alone and get rid of the weight that he should of done a month ago no argument
    but certain people saying that it was wrong or “harrasment” are wrong imo it was unprofessional of him
    It certainly doesn’t help him either does it?

  • 224 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:31 PM

    Ibiza…take care. Talk to you later.

  • 225 Belfast // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:32 PM

    Are you sure Manxpie ?

    Your maths is usually terrible.

  • 226 DokToon // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    jesper,

    i think its more that ibiza is stuck in a revolving door, walking in circles all the time, then when he gets to the opening, he gets reception, says his piece, and back off running in circles.. :)

    ibiza… when he signs, youll be the second to know, lol…. he did ask me a few weeks ago, if he got signed by manure, would i still love him… i said of course, im just not wearing any of that red s**t they call a shirt ….

  • 227 Laurent Robert 32 // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    Big Pappa, great post with the pic. He’s looking in good, slim shape.

    Ben Arfa’s right, Pardew’s shi..

  • 228 Belfast // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    Remember you told me Cabella cost more than Cisse.

  • 229 manxpie // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:40 PM

    Sage maybe but he’s never been given a chance at chelsea which is still very strange imo saying that chelsea have about 20 young prospects loaned out everywhere so they’ve probably got the new lukaku already lol
    I disagree on the arm round certain players tbh younger players yes definatly but older experienced players should have the right attitude and maturity to not need that kind of thing anymore and tbf pardew has given arfa plenty of oppertunities

  • 230 beermonkey // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:41 PM

    any1 know if tonights game is being televised

  • 231 Belfast // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    The price quoted is pretty big for somebody who is inconsistent like. He was fooking awful at that world cup.

  • 232 Belfast // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:44 PM

    The fee quoted is pretty big for somebody who’s inconsistent. He was awful at the world cup like

  • 233 manxpie // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:46 PM

    Belfast haha yeah my maths ain’t the best but surely not a gamble on lukaku
    Cabella was said to have cost 10 mill now its said to be 7 mill so who to believe belfast I believe the 1st 1 btw

  • 234 Rainrix // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:47 PM

    beermonkey…. Nope, no domestic or overseas broadcasting at least according to nufc.com and they’re usually spot on about this sort of thing. Likely the best we can manage is radio.

  • 235 Lost Plot // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:54 PM

    Ben Arfato play Champions League next season .. Bigger Club .. With an old player returning the compliment by means of coming home to Fellow Geordieland … Fraser Foster from Celtic

  • 236 89Norcal // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:55 PM

    No stream for this game, but I’m seeing scheduled streams for our game vs Malaga on Saturday.

  • 237 Belfast // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:58 PM

    Nope it’s 7.
    I’ll book you in for that maths lesson asap.

  • 238 Belfast // Jul 30, 2014 at 3:59 PM

    The match on Saturday is on one of those dodgy freeview channels

  • 239 Rainrix // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:01 PM

    89Norcal….. Both of our schalke games are on the quest channel in the uk, weird channel for them to be on but good thing it is.

    http://www.questtv.co.uk/tv-listings/?type=day&channel_code=QUUK-ENG&filter=1200&date=02082014

  • 240 Belfast // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:01 PM

    Quest tv.

    Don’t ask me why

  • 241 Sliema // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:07 PM

    There’ll be a stream up for the weekends matches then right?

    Looking forward to seeing Cabella and Janmaat.

  • 242 Sliema // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:09 PM

    Lukaku is going to Everton
    £24million

    I guess we never got past first base?

  • 243 Sliema // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:10 PM

    Sky Sources

  • 244 Mister Tuff // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:14 PM

    Just had a look at that photo of Benny taken today at the training ground with a couple of fans. He looks a lean mean fighting machine.
    Talk of him being overweight cannot really be plausible now and in any event 1.5kgs, as others have posted can be shed easily. I note he is still wearing number 10.

  • 245 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:18 PM

    Senor Tuff… the coach is a dumpass

  • 246 tequilamag // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:19 PM

    Dumpass ?seriously Jesper that is infant school level.

  • 247 RUNAWAY777 // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:20 PM

    matchs deffo on quest over the weekend lads

  • 248 Ibizatoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:21 PM

    Jesper…Just catching some reception from this revolving door (Dok…joking aside, it does feel that way sometimes).

    I think that is an odd bunch of players to put together to criticise Pardew with.

    We’ll leave Benny out for a minute.

    Obertan – Really? Do I need to say anything here?

    Jonas – All any of us can do is speculate, however, based on what we have seen, I think it’s fair to guess that the treatment of Jonas has come from upstairs and not Pardew. Prior to shipping him out to Norwich, most fans were having a go at Pardew for constantly playing him. What changed?

    Marv – For me, this is more clear cut than the Benny issue. Yes he can be a very skillful player, but he has absolutely no interest in working for / with the team. I don’t just mean defending, just overall play.

    I think people believe Pardew only likes defensive players, I’d say it’s probably more along the lines of hard working players. To be honest, I can’t fault that…within reason of course.

    Back to Benny, it seems since Pardew arrived, all he tried to do was big Benny up and try to get the best out of him. As of last season, that changed. Do I think it’s because Pardew suddenly decided he didn’t like him? Are you suggesting it’s down to Benny questioning Pardews approach to football?

    Perhaps it’s a bit of both, but Benny not putting in the effort, which whatever Pardew has also done, does appear to be the case, then he leaves very little defense for himself imo.

    I get the feeling that Benny is his own worst enemy. Maybe there’s a manager out there than can figure it out, I’m not sure we can blame those who don’t though.

    As far as I am concerned, both Pardew and Benny can go.

    Dok…Ha ha, bless him. I hope you told him that if he does sign for ManU that he has to play badly when playing against the toon.

  • 249 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:23 PM

    tequila…so?

    …”kært barn har mange navne”

  • 250 tequilamag // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:25 PM

    … “Dear child has many names”

    That probably means more in Danish.

  • 251 manxpie // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:25 PM

    Tuff then surely the decision to keep him behind and get that weight of was the right decision?
    The fact no one else came back overweight and unfit is the main issue as I say unprofessional

  • 252 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:27 PM

    Ibiza…I suppose that’s how you treat your employees?

    …you can read through my posts if you want an elaboration! I have said what I think…lets hope the other one will go as well (soon) ;)

  • 253 Belfast // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    Bloody hell Ibiza.

    back with a vengeance

  • 254 toon kk // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    Our biggest problem apart from P45due is we only have one first team, the rest of our squad would be far better suited to league 1, and it shows when injuries set in.

  • 255 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:29 PM

    tequila…that is the literal translation, but the English doesn’t really apply:

    “Success has many fathers…”

  • 256 tequilamag // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:31 PM

    That is true but it does not explain why you are using such childish name calling.I get it you don’t like Pardew and you like Benny. But come on you’re a grown man.

  • 257 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:32 PM

    Tequila…lighten up! The owner gets called far worse on here without any objection!

  • 258 SUFC_rule // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:34 PM

    If Mr Arfa wants a bigger club then he should come to Sunderland, the biggest club North of Manchester. Then he can punish Pardew for his incompetence at managing a wee club in the North East.

  • 259 DokToon // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:38 PM

    ibiza,

    hell be grounded for those matches, lol

  • 260 tequilamag // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:40 PM

    SUFC, you remind me of Jeff who popped up last Summer School holidays who pretended to be a 13 year old boy.

  • 261 DokToon // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:40 PM

    i see dumb people…..

  • 262 Ibizatoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:45 PM

    On the weight issue…without speculating or trying to guess his weight looking at various pictures from the past few weeks. Does it really matter if it’s 0.1 or 10kg’s over weight?

    This is a player who for whatever reason has fallen down the pecking order. For someone who talks the talk of wanting to win the Ballon D’Or and playing for his national side, he doesn’t appear to want to work his ass off to get it. That part has nothing to do with Pardew.

  • 263 toon kk // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:45 PM

    Sufc
    just wondering why you keep coming on this blog for? ???
    Your clearly a child who needs to grow up.
    Don’t think many Sunderland fans would even call you a fan of their club, just a silly little boy.

  • 264 Pardews Prolific Boys // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:48 PM

    Sufc is online pretending to be a child. Should we contact the police?

  • 265 Ibizatoon // Jul 30, 2014 at 4:49 PM

    Dok…I’m not sure i’ve heard of the grounded clause in football players contracts, but I like it :)

    Jesper…Treat my employees which way?

    Not a a dig mate, I have read most of your posts and I actually don’t understand your point. You hint that there is a bigger reason, but don’t seem to say it. Unless it’s as simple as you think Pardew used them as scapegoats to deflect from his own inadequacies?

  • 266 SUFC_rule // Jul 30, 2014 at 5:31 PM

    A kid? I’m 19. You just can’t handle the truth about your crap club

  • 267 southern_toon // Jul 30, 2014 at 6:08 PM

    Sufc_fan is a troll, if you don’t feed him he’ll get bored and go away.

    And just for the record, any ‘fan’ that tries to belittle another club instead of just supporting their own isn’t a fan of anything but confrontation

  • 268 gazzaforever // Jul 30, 2014 at 8:18 PM

    Why you all keeps on talking about HBA if you dont like im, just move on. Damn haters, I really dont get it.

  • 269 Ericles // Jul 31, 2014 at 7:55 AM

    This site sadly has deteriorated over the years into a teeny bopper chat line – full of immature schoolboy irrelevancies. Time again for some common sense like there used to be on here.




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