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Roberto Martinez Interested In Newcastle Winger

9:57 am, Friday, August 8th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 222 Comments

There’s news today that Everton may want to follow  up their interest in Newcastle winger Hatem Ben Arfa, who seems to have no future at Newcastle, after the player fell out with manager Alan Pardew earlier this year.

Ben Arfa - SC Braga

Hatem Ben Arfa – loan move to Everton?

And as a clear signal that he is has no future at Newcastle, well as long as Alan Pardew is manager, he was stripped of the famous number 10 shirt yesterday, and it was handed to new Dutch International signing Siem de Jong, who is likely to play in the withdrawn striker role next season.

Everton manager Roberto Martinez is a very good man-manager and probably could handle Ben Arfa, and get the very best out of him at the Toffees.

And Everton could also afford Ben Arfa’s wages, and maybe a season long loan deal could be in the offing for the French International.

We don’t think Ben Arfa will want to sign permanently for another club this summer,  unless he gets a really good offer,  and will probably want to become a free agent next summer, when his contract runs out on Tyneside.

We’d prefer Ben Arfa move to a club in France so we don’t have to face him in the Premier League – because former Newcastle players have that knack of playing (very) well when they come up against Newcastle again – and Ben Arfa would be no exception.

Ben Arfa’s first club, Lyon, have also expressed an interest in taking him back to France for next season.

We’d still like to see Ben Arfa stay for the season at Newcastle, and be used in the first team squad, but we just cannot see that happening – with the poisoned situation that exists between player and manager. :(

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222 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    Well he would excel under Martinez, no doubt about that.
    I’m more concerned about this CB! Why on earth can’t the club see it’s our Achilles heel!? A whole transfer window wasted if we don’t get one as we will leak goals like always.

  • 2 Markaccus // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:01 AM

    He only wants to go to everton because someone mentioned “Toffees” :D

  • 3 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:02 AM

    Ben Arfa—Lukaku—Miralles

    With Martinez as manager….

    Where’s T.T.V.V.T when you need an applicable catchphrase?

  • 4 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:03 AM

    It would be a very sad day seeing the Everton to get get the best out of him and fans fall in love with his footballing skills whilst we not only shunned him, but kept the imbecile who is managing out of his depth.

  • 5 Markaccus // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:04 AM

    Bit of a brave statement, Ed?

    “Everton manager Roberto Martinez is a very good man-manager and probably could handle Ben Arfa, and get the very best out of him at the Toffees.”

    So far he has fallen out with every manager he has had!

    Time will tell.

  • 6 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:05 AM

    M

    I only mentioned benny the other day as he was getting linked to a swap with lacazette and you jumped all over me!

    You say he’s fallen out with every manager.
    Not really true tbf. He’s won 5 league titles in France at 2 different clubs. Manager loved him at Lyon but he got transferred.

    How any of our players have achieved anything close to that in their careers while also being out injured for long stretches. SJD maybe, but that’s it.

    He has this bad boy image but when you ask people to actually quantify who he’s fallen out with it isn’t quite as many as you may think.

    Ben Arfa spent three years at the academy and, upon leaving, signed with Lyon, where he won four Ligue 1 titles.

    In his early career at Lyon, he played as a centre forward, but moved into a winger role during the 2007–08 season.

    In the summer of 2008, Ben Arfa signed with rivals Marseille for €11 million through a move which required the intervention of the Ligue de Football Professionnel.

    With Marseille, he won the 2009–10 league title, his fifth overall, as well as the Coupe de la Ligue in 2010

    Not too shabby

  • 7 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:05 AM

    Markaccus

    He didn’t fall out with Hughton.

    Although that was only 4 months so he would have done in the end probably.

  • 8 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    If sure that if Hatem was really enjoying his attacking football and being motivated to do so by a good man-manager whilst also not just playing as a second right back, his ‘bad boy’ image would be highly curbed and a lot easier to manage.

  • 9 Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    I think Martinez is a very special manager though, and will be able to sense Ben Arfa’s issues and help him settle as well as give him a platform to play his way.
    He will work closely with Mirrilas who is a great player and see how he has improved.

  • 10 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM

    Behind the scenes in the Premier League you are hard pushed to find a bad word against Martinez. A very likable man.

    Our prat, is the opposite story.

  • 11 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    LR 32

    In a nutshell. For all the good signings going on and an obviously improved version of JFK in Charnley, we still have a train wreck of a manager and you could just see benny thriving under an actual proper football manager in Martinez.

  • 12 Markaccus // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    Rotonda

    It wasnt you i jumped on! You hadnt said anything about it while i was complaining about the same people having the same argument about HBA. If anything you started on me calling me blog leader and asking for a list of acceptable topics!

    People were not talking about the swap deal, they were using it as an excuse to carry on fighting about who is to blame. Thats why i said i was disappointed when you took my complaints out of context!

  • 13 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:10 AM

    Rotonda, I know. It might have been Big Pappa who said it’s like driving a Porsche with the handbrake on.

    :-/

  • 14 NUFCJackW // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    Rotonda/Laurent Robert

    Isnt it a shame that your constant attacks on Pardew arent going to change a thing.

  • 15 Markaccus // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    Geremi

    Ok, maybe Martinez might be a bit special. He may succeed where many others have failed. Fergie used to do that. Now, we can all blame pardew for being pardew, but it’s unfair to blame him for not being fergie or martinez, not many managers are :D

  • 16 Geordiedoonsooth // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    What’s so special about the number 10 shirt. The only number speacial at Newcastle is the FAMOUS No. 9

  • 17 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    Jackw, my attacks are the ones similar to those in the crowd on match days. Did you see all the discontent and banners? Pardew couldn’t even come out of his dugout. There’s a majority, not a minority. Nobody I know wants him to stay.

    He should not be there. Our discontent at inept management should be voiced.

    The ones who don’t want him and stay quiet are sweeping his incompetence under the rug.

    Pardew out.

  • 18 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    Markaccus

    I blame Pardew for not being Hughton in some respects.

    It is all well and good having a limited manager who won’t ever likely achieve anything in his football career due to his lack of that something special.

    But when he is an unlikable turd to boot, it is hard to swallow.

  • 19 G // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    I think this would be an excellent move for HBA, but given our squad, I expect us to be competing with Everton for league finish, so think this could be a dreadful move for us. Would much rather see him go overseas. His game would be absolutely perfect for the Spanish league.

  • 20 deeps // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Celtic have been reinstated into the champions league because legia played with an in eligible player :/

  • 21 G // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:18 AM

    Beatroll25, intresting statement :

    “I blame Pardew for not being Hughton in some respects.”

    Can you remember the overall opinion of CH when he was appointed was very negative, but at least CH managed to turn us around by and large and improve us as a team. Take note AP.

  • 22 martoon // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:23 AM

    deeps @20 – How jammy are Celtic?

  • 23 NUFCJackW // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    Laurent Robert

    I agree, the majority-including me- want him out.

    But posting attack after attack on Pardew will not change the current situation.

    Unfortunately, he is here now. At the moment there is nothing we can do. The ‘mass’ boycot really did its job didnt it.

    Lets be realistic. He headbutted a player and still kept his job. Ashley could have sold him then, but no. I really dont want him here, but he is only going to lose his job if he gets us relegated and to be honest, I dont think we will be relegated mate.

    Can you even discuss good things about NUFC ? Or does Pardew have to go first ?

  • 24 Markaccus // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    Beatroll

    but fundamentally you are blaming him for being the way he is, which causes you issues and thats fair enough. I have my issues with him too, i just can’t see why everyone automatically thinks Martinez (as good as he seems to be) will succeed where MOST others have failed, regardless of what he won and where, he still fell out with managers and got moved on.

  • 25 Our Toon // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    Have we actually improved under pardew….NO we haven’t, he has much better players that CH had and still struggles.

    It’s a shame that HBA will be sold but the biggest shame will be for those criticising him….He should be in his prime now, some still make fat jokes but blatantly disregard recent pictures of him looking very trim.

    This lad will come back to bite us on the arse and those who give him stick now will say why did we sell him.

  • 26 Our Toon // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    NUFC Jack

    The mass boycott had no affect because it took place between 60 and 69 mins….by that time pies and pints had been consumed…to me it was a pointless exercise. Try a boycott without actually attending and that will make a big difference.

  • 27 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM

    Beatroll
    Not that this adds or takes away from any points made but didn’t he only feature under Hoots for 3-4 games before the De Jong tackle and went back to France?

  • 28 LGFUAD21 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM

    Geordiedoonsooth
    August 8, 2014

    At newcastle not much special about a number 10 but universally it jis probably the most valued number in the modern game. It is often given to the special talent within a team.

    Zidane
    Del Pierro
    Totti
    Marradonna
    Pele
    Messi
    Cruyff
    Platini
    Best

    I think you can see from the list above how many great players have worn the shirt and what type of players they were.

  • 29 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    Jack, I’ve spoken about some of the new players coming in and that I’m am pleased with their arrival. Janmaat, Siem, Cabella are all the type of signings we can realistically go for. That is good work by Carr and Charnley. They are mainly just replacing outgoings though so we shouldn’t get ‘too hyped’.

    However, we’ve had other good signings in recent years, yet we still pull out the absymal record breaking results. So excuse me if I’m rather cynical about the whole situation. I’m going on Pardull’s career, not a few replacement signings when we still have easily enough money for a top quality striker AND centre half with money left over after that.

  • 30 NUFCJackW // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    Our Toon

    Your right, that would make a difference. But do you honestly think we could get a mass boycott before a ball has been kicked ? I dont.

  • 31 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:34 AM

    Krul

    Janmaat Alderweireld Van Dijk Santon

    Grenier Sissoko

    Ben Arfa De Jong Cabella

    Remy

  • 32 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    Markaccus

    I don’t blame Pardew for being the way his is but I do think the way he is, isn’t something that our club deserves or needs.

    If anyone is to blame it is Ashley for employing him, but the way Pardew is has made us a laughing stock at times. As I said it is something I cannot stomach. Sadly he has made no attempt to change, but which self absorbed person does? I know my stubbornness has led to problems in the past, but I’d like to think I am a geniunly good person to boot and also a very good manager too.

    It might not be in footballing temrs, but the principles of management do not differ from place to place. Sadly the world is littered with people like Pardew. It isn’t his fault he was born a turd, but it is his fault that he doesn’t think he has to change.

  • 33 T.T.V.V.T. // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    @Beatroll25

    HAHAHA im here fella, just been busy the last couple of hours.

    Yeah; Ben Arfa would doubtless perform miracles alongside Miralles, under Martinez.

    But for how long? I give him 18 months before there’s another controversy.

    I hope to God he doesnt go to another club in the ELP.
    It was like when Ginola went to Spurs. He’d been incredible for us, one of the players of the division. Scored some spectacular goals.
    Then he goes to Spurs, scores that mazy dribble against Charlton or someone in the FA cup and now he’s known for being a Spurs player.
    It annoys me that as soon as they leave the club the country just forgets to mention them in association with NUFC.

    In Ben Arfa goes to another club in England i’ll be gutted, cos he’ll turn it on against us, definitely.

    No, a sale to France is what’s best. So lets get it done and get one of the Lyon lads coming the other way.

  • 34 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    Alderweireld, Van Dijk, Grenier and Remy would cost about £32m

  • 35 LGFUAD21 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    Our Toon
    August 8, 2014

    Maybe try not to boycott. What would it achieve.

    Even if the fans were bought into it and mass boycotted the game. Yes it would hurt the club.

    It wouldn’t hurt MA much though. He doesn’t take a salary from newcastle. It would only push him to be less supportive.

    I think this summers window proves he does want success here.

    People saying we have only spent what we brought in in transfers. Generally that’s how it works unless you have huge CL profits.

    Take away money raised from sales and you have what maybe £15-20m profits?

    So all this talk of TV money. You can guarantee our wage bill has increased this summer. It’s smart to not spend all you profit at once on the promise of future profit. It leave no capital reserves or rainy day fund.

  • 36 Our Toon // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    Markaccus

    Have you ever considered the play may have changed? I know it’s a strange concept but look at the lads comments regarding h’s losing 3-0 etc and how he wished he was on the pitch to try and help. If he’s such a handful why is he happy to train with the reserves and not be unprofessional and disappear to force a move like he’s done previously?

    He will always be opinionated and that is his biggest downfall…telling it like it is….sorry boss your tactics are shite.

    The ben area of old would be chilling in France right now having a hissy fit and not training with the reserves and praising Beardsley, not making statements like I’m enjoying training with the reserves etc.

    All of this points to a happy and changed man in my eyes, especially considering he has said he should be held accountable for previous issues at clubs.

  • 37 beefman13 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    LGFUAD, sorry for being pedantic but Geordie Best was number 11.

    The number 9 shirt at the toon is a wee bit sacred isnt it.

  • 38 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    TADS

    Yeah you’re right.

    As I said, it probably would have happened eventually. It looks like it is in Ben Arfa’s DNA to fall out with managers.

    It’s when you get a stubborn manager and an outspoken player you get problems.

  • 39 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    I’ve observed minutes silences at SJP where the whole crowd is silent and motionless. The electronic advertising changing every few seconds completely jars with the tribute and is wholly inappropriate. I’m surprised some can’t see that trying to sell a product at such a time is tacky and unseemly to say the least.

  • 40 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:40 AM

    NUFCJackW

    Tragic, but if everyone was as apathetic as you they’d just accept mediocrity on a daily basis. Oh wait..

  • 41 beefman13 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    Been reports that there will be one more in, and and a striker, hopefully the main striker in Pardews plans, they say dont they attack is the best form of defence, i hope so.

  • 42 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    beatroll

    he didn’t fall out with the lyon coach while winning 4 league titles there.

    Some managers can handle your bellamys, tevezs, routledges, cantonas etc, others clearly can’t.

  • 43 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    Our Toon

    100% correct.

    Ben Arfa looks like he has got in shape, has played for the reserves (for 90 minutes as well), trained with the kids and more importantly hasn’t used the press as a platform to talk about is hatred of the manager (if there is any at all).

    I can’t think of what more Benny can do. I think the ball is in Pardew’s court but Alan is refusing to play the game. What does he have to loose in putting Benny in against Soceidad?

    Maybe Benny is being ostracized like many of the other players that had one year left on their contracts? It seems an inherent trate the club has.

  • 44 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    I don,t think the problem here is HBA ? Its Pardew who is the problem here?

  • 45 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    G S Tooner

    I hope that Carr has got it right and one of these boys is good enough to fill Remy’s boots. I don’t see it. Even if one of them is good enough, how long will it take Percy to see it and to trust them to play up front ahead of a more experienced player like De Jong? How long for him to work out which one of the young ones he should favour?

  • 46 Jeff from Benwell // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    It is easy enough to make a loan deal with the proviso that HBA isn’t selected against NUFC ,they did it with Lukaku against Chelsea

  • 47 LGFUAD21 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    Sorry you are correct.

    Best only wore number 10 for one season.

    No 9 is the sacred number here. But the as a whole the number 9 is becoming slightly less influential in the modern game in the traditional sense.

    The game has evolved and the number 10 is now the more decisive role in teams.

  • 48 NUFCJackW // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    Laurent Robert

    I agree mate. I too feel cynical, I too want Pardew gone. We have only replaced. Your right. But why do you only have a go at Pardew on this blog. Everyone knows you dislike him.

    Fair enough you have talked about this transfer window. But in all honesty mate, thats what i would expect, i mean, thats what we are in right now.

  • 49 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    Willo and Saylor out for £4.5m. Alderweireld and Van Dijk in for £14m.

    Sammy out for £1m, Grenier in for £10m.

    Remy in for £8.5m

    Job done.

  • 50 tequilamag // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    Jeff a loan for HBA would be pointless as he only has a year left on his contract. It would be the same as giving him a free

  • 51 Our Toon // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    Lfguad & nufc jack

    A boycott now is pointless as the season is yet to begin, we need to show support to the new lads especially. The time to do it was last year and unfortunately lfguad you are ruled by fear. You’d rather sit back mate and take the few breadcrumbs that are left for you. Remy was on 85k at least 2 players wages would cover his. Colback and Gosling won’t be too dissimilar in wages, Perez will be on peanuts and Tavernier probs covered for that, debuchy and Janmaat as well is probably around the same. Don’t forget look at the outgoings, Marveaux cabaye probably covered Shola, Newton and LDJ.

    All players have been replaced and probably on less than what we were paying. We’ve made 7 signings as the other 2 haven’t been confirmed. 6 permanent signings 1 loan signing but we are still short on a CB, possibly RB cover, A Decent LW and most certainly a striker.

    Wow we have made some very long and overdue signings but it doesn’t mean the problems have been rectified. Don’t be ruled by fear mate, the issue as fans is that we are quite shite at getting together when to actually force change. Let’s not do this it will offend MA, he won’t sign player, stay quiet and hopefully he will sign player or invest in the club.

  • 52 LGFUAD21 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    Blackley and Brownlie
    August 8, 2014

    Did you see the article on rivière floating about on the net?

    Places him as a calculated gamble. Compars his situation to sturridges before his move to Liverpool in that it is make or break season for him to fulfil his promise.

    Still considered a top young talent in France. Nothing fancy about his finishing, prone to missing sitters but he has all the attributes to be a top player. Big strong, plays on the shoulder, holds the line well.

    Playing off de jong he could be very effective even if he isn’t banging them in.

    I’m hoping we’ve uncovered a gem but it is a risk. Hopefully we should have more goals from the rest of the team to take some of the weight off of him so providing the team gels and fins goals from de jong, cabella, sissokho and Gouffran a 10 goals return could be enough from rivière provided that he is contributing to the creation and hold up play.

  • 53 Markaccus // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    Ketsbaia

    FOR FCUKS SAKE! THERE ARE RULES ABOUT HOME GROWN PLAYERS! WE ARE AT THE BARE MINIMUM ALREADY, WE CANT REPLACE TAYLOR AND WILLO WITH FOREIGNERS!!!! GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD, MAN

  • 54 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    Ketsbaia did u forget to take the yellow and the pink ones this morning?

  • 55 NUFCJackW // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:51 AM

    Rotonda

    Nice, call me pathetic. Thats very mature mate.

    I was just stating a fact. If you cant face it, then thats not my problem.

    Dont just assume i want mediocrity, believe me, that is the last thing i want. I hate Pardew, but what is saying that on a blog going to do ? Do you really think Ashley is going to sack him due to a few people spouting there bad opinions on Pardew 24/7 ? I dont.

  • 56 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:52 AM

    Everton would be a good move for Benny!

    …will be interesting to see who’s next in line to get a piece of coach d! He is definitely old-school – would be easier to respect if he somehow would command that respect!

    To me he will always be remembered as an old man ???? with a hissy-fit!

  • 57 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    Jackw, because I like to try and see things from the root of the problems because that’s where it ultimately comes back to everytime.

  • 58 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    Thr only van dijk we be seeing is dick van dijk when mary poppins airs at xmas Remy not coming neither is grenier so snap out of it ketsbaia.

  • 59 Markaccus // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    Beatroll

    I tried that whole blaming ashley for who he employs last season, but certain bloggers (not on here atm) basically jumped on me because i was deflecting blame off pardew. I agree with you. We need a new owner first (ashley will keep employing average nobodies in all positions) then everything will change for the better imo.

  • 60 NUFCJackW // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    Our Toon

    Agreed.

    Need to be behind these new signings from the off.

  • 61 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    Rotonda

    The ones that can handle them have players that can win games on their own. That’s why it is imperative to have the right manager when you have players like that.

    We don’t get many players that are potentially world class, but when we do they either stagnate or fall by the wayside under the wrong man in charge.

  • 62 LGFUAD21 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:55 AM

    NUFCJackW
    August 8, 2014

    We have done more than replace. I think we have replaced in a different way though.

    Debuchy – janmaat

    Cabaye has been replaced with two players De Jong and Cabella. Which could go either way. But overall I think we will be less reliant on one player al la Cabaye. You could arguably include the defensive work of Colback too.

    Remy is the only one you have a legitimate case for.

    Overall though I think we have strengthened the squad. The contribution of Colback will be severely underrated by fans.

  • 63 tequilamag // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:55 AM

    From what I can see the HBA to Everton story was generated by the Surrey Mirror without any quotes. Why a local paper from Surrey would have any inside info is baffling.
    Still we all love a good HBA debate

  • 64 Our Toon // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    For the record we could sell saylor and willo replace them with foreigners…bit that means we’d name a squad of 23 with 6HG players….2 other non HG players would have to miss out….eg Ben Arfa and Jonas if both have been given squad numbers and are registered

  • 65 JamesToon // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:56 AM

    I’d be so unhappy if Benny went to Everton…

    Still annoys me to this day when we didn’t take the opportunity to get martinez

  • 66 LGFUAD21 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    Markaccus
    August 8, 2014

    Think that’s the root of the problem. I thi Ashley’s plan is sound. His execution is flawed and that comes down to the people put in place.

    But I don’t think he would trust a foreign manager. All profiles of Ashley the man paint him as a man that is very suspicious of those he doesn’t known

  • 67 martoon // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    Jeff & tequilamag – I believe it is a premiership rule now that loan players cannot play against their parent club. We would also save a year’s wages so there would be a point to this.

  • 68 T.T.V.V.T. // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:58 AM

    @LGFUAD21

    Yeah, good post fella.
    I did a little reading up in Riviere when we were first linked.

    He is like you say, a bit of an engima. Very highly thought of and still holds a large degree of that initial hype which surrounded him whilst he was at St Etienne and Toulouse.

    I think he might be one of those players who is naturally suited to the pace and power of the premier league.

    He seems at his best when it’s fast movements, not much to think about just playing on instinct.

    I think he will surprise a few this season a grab quite a few goals. Im not saying he will single handedly replace Remy, because i think he’s a different type of player, but as you say – if he can create an understanding with the likes of Cabella, and De Jong especially then we could be onto a winner.

    Pace, strength, good off the ball. Those are his attributes, so expect to see quite a few finishes at the end of moves from Riviere.

    And judging by the goal against Shalke he aint too shabby in the air too.

    Have faith my brothers – Riviere will be a success!

  • 69 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:59 AM

    We’re going to get relageated then. Especially if we get rid of Ben Arfa. With those players, we could’ve challenged for fourth spot. Again, we are short.

  • 70 firebug666 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:00 AM

    You know at the end of the day Ben Arfa was only telling the manager the same thing we have all been saying on here. His inept tactics were costing us game after game, we offered nothing going forward and even less in defence.

    Maybe Benny went a little over the top with Pardrew, but that doesn’t make him wrong.

  • 71 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:00 AM

    Jack, I know I repeat from different angles. However, Pardew is still here and the abysmal results and bulls** are repeated also. So comments are further reflections on his ineptitude which is refreshed daily as well.

    Regardless of me highlighting his clueless management, his lucky steam train rolls on and his nonsense continues regularly as normal.

    Once he changes, my comments towards him will change.

    Going back the driving with the handbrake on the Porsche…
    You can get excited about tweaking the engine or adding turbos, new interior etc, but the fact remains that if that handbrake, the root cause, is still on, the capability of the team is highly limited to how it should be performing.

    P45DUE.

  • 72 tequilamag // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:01 AM

    OT we have 11 players who qualify as HG but you are correct there are probably only 8 who have any realistic chance of playing for the first team.
    People slate Pardew for wanting to buy British players but the quality of homegrown players we have is poor.
    If you want to improve the overall quality of the squad that has to be looked at.

  • 73 tequilamag // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    Martoon, yes but surely it would make more sense to sell and get a fee and save the wages. I think the Everton link lacks substance anyway.

  • 74 Jeff from Benwell // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    Tequila
    Ashley has shown before that if a players time is up at NUFC he has no problem with taking a hit.
    When Joey Barton proved what ungrateful wretch he is by tweeting crap about Ashley after Ashley had paid him in jail , he was allowed to go on a free to QPR.

  • 75 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:03 AM

    Markaccus

    This is where I get all bipolar.

    I think Ashley makes terrible decisions that hurt the club and a lot of the issues we have today are down to him.

    BUT…

    If he hired a decent manager and Ashley run the club like he is doing today we could be very successful. As long as that manager invested into the Ashley’s ethos and concentrated on tactics and quality of football.

    I don’t mean successful as in top 4, but we could push top 6 and play good football.

    Ashley is bad for the club but his methods could actually work if we had a better manager.

    I dislike Pardew with so much passion because he has such an abundance of quality at his disposal.

    If he had a team of no-hopers I would be very much tame in my criticism (as I was with Gullit, Roeder and Hughton). He doesn’t though. He has a team of international footballers that have won titles and played in the Champions League, and yet they still get hammered 3-0 on average 10 games a season.

    Again it isn’t all Pardews fault, but he is a major factor in our current mediocrity and is why I think we will be poor again this season.

  • 76 Jail for Ashley // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:04 AM

    Why do some people keep insisting JfK was responsible for the lack of signings over the last two windows, don’t you think after his first failure that he would have been replaced with Charnley who was already there, there was ZERO intention to buy anyone, Johan Cryuff or Del Boy Trotter could have been involved and it wouldn’t have mattered, no funds=no signings.

  • 77 hitman // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    if benny goes to everton,you can see him coming back here and haunting p45due.it makes you wonder what this fkas thinking is with benny if everton are willing to give him a chance

  • 78 Novocastrian66 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    Players rarely had the same number for a full season. The number worn was dependant on your position. General rule of thumb was;
    1GK, 2RB, 3LB, 4CM, 5CB, 6CB, 7RM, 8CM, 9CF, 10CF, 11LM.
    There were exceptions Keegan always wore 7 as did his successor, Dalglish.
    Best generally wore 7 or 11, depending on his starting position. Probably wore 10 too although Denis Law generally wore that shirt. Bobby Charlton always wore 9. I doubt Best went the whole season wearing the same number and if he did it would probably have been a coincidence. He didn’t need to have the comfort of wearing a certain number.

  • 79 geordie157 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    I think riviere is a good signing, we’ve done good business this summer. We just lack two or three quality players to make us a top six side. Centre back is priority, don’t want to see Taylor playing this season. If we can’t get lacazette I’d splash the cash on shawcross, although I don’t think he’d leave stoke unless a top four side came in for him.

  • 80 LGFUAD21 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    Our Toon
    August 8, 2014

    You say I am ruled by fear. I see it as diplomacy.

    The outcome of a strike in my opinion would not be the field of rainbows and unicorns people seem to think.

    Blackburn took that route. Their club is now worse than everouter will agree that I think the coaching team is a large part of the problem more than the players we have. Yes additions would be nice but additions are nice for every club. You can always improve.

    The defensive errors this pre season can be corrected by coaching not only by replacing. If you believe that problems can be solved by simply replacing then I assume that you would’ve sanctioned the sacking of SBR. The culture behind the mentality is the same.

    A for wages. Everyone was shocked when they learnt what Marv earnt. What’s to say we haven’t also undervalued the salaries being paid to cabella, de jong, janmaat even rivière who was considered hot property in France when he signed for Monaco (very cheap for Monaco too so probably gave a nice compensation package)

    Colback will be on far more than Gosling. He is premier league proven and as much as they are scum. Sunderland do have decent revenue streams to pay their players decent wages.

  • 81 G // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    Kets @ 69, I would be more confident of relegation happening to us playing HBA for 38 games. Whilst he is a good player, he is an enigma in the sense off the ball he contributes nothing to the team. As much as I love his special moments, we simply cannot carry a passenger in the Prem mate. Time to say thank you, goodbye etc, and hopefully overseas not Everton.

  • 82 LGFUAD21 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    geordie157
    August 8, 2014

    I think that is the best assessment of our squad situation m

  • 83 JamesToon // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:06 AM

    If we are not gonna buy any new CBs then we should buy a deep lying playmaker and a goalscorer for better ball retention and more attacking threat. In the last two years the defence has been too overworked hence why we concede so many.

    We need an exact replacement for Cabaye, someone like:
    Marco Verratti
    Clement Grenier
    Mikel Arteta

    Who we could get that’s in our price range I’m not too sure.

    A cheap goalscorer we should go for Connor Wickham.

  • 84 Slank // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:08 AM

    Markaccus @ 51

    There are some on this blog (and I guess you know who they are) who almost certainly can kick a ball but know very little about football, the tactics, the training, the rules and regulations, the transfer process and how a football club is managed.

    Myself, I don’t know how a football club is managed as I have never worked in one. I don’t know the transfer process in any detail as I have never been involved in one. I don’t know the training techniques as I’ve never trained with a professional or semi-professional team. However, I do know the tactics but have never been tested at it, fortunately.

    And finally, I don’t know all the rules and regulations but do know some, like so many others, but not it seems does everybody !

    Take pity on the poor lad. He tries is best even though he irritates.

  • 85 LGFUAD21 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:09 AM

    T.T.V.V.T.
    August 8, 2014

    Yes. He definitely looks like he could cope with the pace and power of the league.

    I just think it’ll be nice seeing a cf who won’t be afraid to attack the ball unlike cisse of late.

    Enigma is certainly the word.

    He never score champagne goals but he could rack up a few cheesy poaches.

  • 86 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:09 AM

    G

    You might find actually playing someone in his right position with a team who pass and move, ie probably Everton now, would see a totally different player emerge. You don’t win 5 league titles for nowt.

  • 87 Scottiedog // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:10 AM

    Loaning Benny out would be pointless!! May as well just sell him for £3m and get shot!

    Apart from a few magic moments what has he done for the club??

    TIME TO MOVE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 88 LGFUAD21 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:10 AM

    JamesToon
    August 8, 2014

    At the beginning of the window Grenier would have been my top pick.

    Would still like him but unfortunately with the new signings there is no room for him.

    Only CL teams or challengers like spurs can afford the luxury of that squad depth.

  • 89 G // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    RH at 86, agreed, but I don’t think that’s going to happen with the current regime at SJP, ergo, I stand by my earlier comment.

  • 90 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:11 AM

    Sell Arfa for £3m? Are you mad? He’s worth at least £30m.

  • 91 LGFUAD21 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    Scottiedog
    August 8, 2014

    I think you like me have just accepted that Benny was not our messiah.

    We all thought it. Truth is we will never know whether it is Pardews fault, or Bennys as to why he never hit top gear

  • 92 tequilamag // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:13 AM

    Jeff, correct there is a precedent re Barton, but I am sure if they can get a fee they will take that option. Poss as a last resort to remove him they would go down the loan route.

  • 93 Whumpie // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    Back on topic, I’d like to see Benny go elsewhere – even to a rival – where he won’t be wasted and so he’s off our wage bill. I think he’s a nice bloke but not always able to control the moodiness that is probably part and parcel with his genius.
    Much like a more talented vversion of Baeton – and boy am I glad he went. Someone else’s asset but also someone else’s problem. We don’t have room for luxuries like Benny.
    Yes, Pards probably hasn’t got what it takes to call with him but very few have. Martinez may be one.

  • 94 dannitoon // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    Yea send benny to everton.. one of our main rivals for a top 6 finish… selfishly I’d rather leave him in reserves.. least we’d have 1 good player in our FA cup 3rd round team

  • 95 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    NUFCJackW

    Read it properly , it said Apathetic !!!!!!! Jeez i give up sometimes..

  • 96 Scottiedog // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    I remember seeing when Benny & Benzema play for Lyon and they were both seen as the future!! Somewhere Benzema has shone through yet Benny has not….. At the end of the day you have to blame the player as many top managers have lost there rag with him and almost given up!!

  • 97 Rake // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:22 AM

    I personally think Benny is technically amazing but detrimental to our team’s performance. If I was the manager I would make it so very clear to him what I expect and it’s simple.

    BE DIRECT.

    I don’t want him spinning around three times and running in field. I want him to beat a man whip in a cross. For all his ability I think some people have rose tinted specs on regarding Benny. He should be coached to play more like Robben. Robben just wants to run towards the goal at full tilt.

    I believe it’s been due to our huge lack of creative players to get our mouths watering over. That has created this love for a player who flatters to deceive.

  • 98 Jeff from Benwell // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    Markaccus

    Do the 2 Nottingham Forest lads not change our position vis a vis home grown players ?

  • 99 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    Having a player like Benny I think would be good for the PL!

    …hope he stays in the league if he have to leave. Any chance we could loan our coach out? – for the next 5-6 seasons maybe :D

  • 100 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    scottiedog

    how many have though in reality? as far as I know he’s only had 3 clubs and he certainly didn’t fall out with the lyon coach and one of them being pardew who let’s face it, not many wouldn’t.

  • 101 Whumpie // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:26 AM

    Without wanting to get splinters in my arse from the fence, I think it’s pointless trying to blame manager or player completely – it’s the combination of the two that matters.

    We all know that SBR was a master of this stuff – he even got the goods out of a certain Welsh midget-genius, which was miraculous.

    But how many Sir Bobs are there?

    I’ve defended Pardew to some extent on here, but I’ll be the first to point out that he has his own petulent side to deal with and that makes him a very poor match for someone with similar attributes. It makes him strong in other areas, but the down-side is that we won’t be seeing any Cantonas or Laurent Roberts in the team under his tenure; they just don’t fit.

    What you will – or should – expect is a squad that knows its job and gets on with it because the boss has a strong vision of what he wants and there’s not much room for shit-throwing.

    That, combined with the likelihood that key players will be sold and replaced with younger models quite frequently, doesn’t make for an easy time as a supporter.

    BUT – if you’re not going to just throw cash at the wall on luxury players as we did in the past and some clubs still do, it’s probably one of the better models available.

    Sorry if that sounds boring, but if you want the Toon back in the CL, it’s probably your best bet.

  • 102 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:27 AM

    rake

    maybe he has to spin 3 times as usually no one is supporting or moving to give him options. We don’t do pass and move, we do wait and see what happens

  • 103 Slank // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:28 AM

    Jeff @ 98

    That’s a very good question.

    I’ve noticed that they haven’t got numbers but could that be because the ink hasn’t dried yet on their contracts ?

  • 104 firebug666 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:28 AM

    dannitoon

    Just wait until Siem de Jong tells Pardrew his inept tactics are wrong, we will then have two decent players in the reserves for the cup games. :D

  • 105 Nufc-83 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    Would be devastated to see Benny at another team actually playing in a wide forward role with no defensive responsibility as he would rip teams apart. I guess Pardew will expect Cabella to play defensively which will mean we have one st up top and the ball will keep coming back over and over because we are so deep and cant get up the pitch.Idiot.

  • 106 Our Toon // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    Rotonda

    It’s so much easier for fans take to take the easy route and say he has attitude problems or look at his past. Someone said correctly before, the player has pointed out exactly what we all think…pardew tactics are shite, his brand of football is dull and defensive. He’s told the manager what the majority of us think and now we’ve turned on him as the club use him as a scapegoat

  • 107 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:31 AM

    Does anyone know what’s the situation with Jonas and why he is training in Argentina?

    …Shola has been released by Newcastle, but is still training here.

    Is this another brilliant example of the coach’s handling of the situation (I assume Jonas has done something wrong of course ;) )

    *and Marv that little rascal!

  • 108 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:32 AM

    You guys talk like Benny has done something majorly wrong.

    All of it is based on conjecture and created out of make believe using his past as an instrument.

    At the end of the day all we have to go on is what the press are saying, which isn’t entirely fool proof.

    A lot of you stand by the manager for his handling of this situation whilst not knowing what the situation is. You trying to make it seem as if Pardew is the hero in all of this.

    Benny hasn’t assaulted people (like Barton), he hasn’t insulted him in public (like Enrique) and yet people are comparing the situations.

    Hatem has been dropped, discarded and dumped. For whatever reason we might not know.

    What I try to base my opinion on is fact. The fact is that arguably our best player is playing for the reserves whilst our inept manager punishes him for an unknown reason.

    Any manager worth his salt would keep Ben Arfa in and around the first team, not only to put him in the shop window (if the intention is there to sell him) but to have thayt player capable of winning a game.

    Lots of star players have issues but they are treated correctly. Some people are loose cannons but should be forgiven for some of their misdemeanors.

    Put Pardew in chagre of Luis Suarez and he would have done the same, been afraid to use him, dumped him after his horrible antics, and sold him for about £5 million instead of £70 million.

    I’m not saying Ben Arfa is as bad as Suarez, and that is my point, what he has done is minimal compared to some.

  • 109 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:32 AM

    whumpie

    it’s not the model that’s wrong per se, just look at dortmund etc.

    But for that model to work you have to have a top established manager or a very highly rated up and coming one.

    We the fans are massively short changed by pardew who is neither. if only Ash could see that employing an actual manager for 52000 fans every home game could reap huge dividends

  • 110 Slank // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:33 AM

    Nufc-83 @ 105

    I think it all depends upon the formation but I would imagine that Colback, being left footed, will cover for many of Cabella’s defensive duties.

  • 111 Rake // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:34 AM

    @Rontonda

    Yeah granted our build up play in attack is rather outdated but is it all down to mismanagement?

    Perhaps the players don’t really know how to play with Benny? Like you expect certain players to do certain things. For example Shola was never going to run in behind. If Benny is that unpredictable it could be the players are a bit hesitant as to what they should do.

    That was of course hypothetical I want Benny to be a success here but I just don’t see it. I wouldn’t want to see him at another English club either would be sad to see him at Everton.

  • 112 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:35 AM

    Whumpie

    So why do we keep buying these types of players when we have a manager who can’t manage them?

    It makes no logical sense.

    Our owner keeps buying these luxury players with Cabella being the latest one, only to see Alan be afraid to use a system that allows them to flourish.

    It is all so bizarre to me.

  • 113 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    our toon

    it’s heartbreaking every day this goon pardew is still here.

    I should be getting massively excited re – new signings etc but you could give the slimeball messi and it would be the same.

  • 114 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    @blogonthetyne: Blyth Spartans have completed signing of brother of Ayoze Perez, Samuel Pérez #nufc

  • 115 Markaccus // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    Sorry people. Factory clean up day before 2 weeks off (although i just had two extra days looking after pox-boy) Anyway i have missed several replies to a couple of points i made. I cant catch up seperately, but i was glad to see they were balanced views and quality debate has reared its head today :-)

    Beatroll….. Yes if ashley employed a BETTER manager we would be successful, but as i have said in the past, Ashleys manager pot is more akin to a tattie pot!

    Ourtoon….. Benny may have changed. If he does succeed at Everton (if he gors there) and shows a good attitude, then fair play. Even if he has made an effort recently i would ask why did it take him so long? Time will tell on his future.

  • 116 Slank // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:38 AM

    jesper

    It could be as simple as Jonas is more comfortable in his own home country and Shola in his local neighbourhood.

    It looks like Jonas hasn’t got a number but there has been no mention about whether he has been released and therefore perhaps he is still on the payroll.

  • 117 Our Toon // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:39 AM

    Beatroll25

    Spot on mate, this 2 hole episode reminds me of what happened with adebayor….sherwood bought him back from being banished with the reserves and didn’t he show AVB exactly what was wrong with his judgement and handling of the scenario

    A bit like that idiot at villa John Gregory who said Ginola was too fat, then he scores takes his top off and flexes his muscles….to me it’s an example of a manager realising he doesn’t have the tactical nous to accommodate such classy type of players into a rigid system or style.

  • 118 T.T.V.V.T. // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:39 AM

    @Ketsbaia9

    Explain to me how HBA is worth £30m?

    I hope you were being daft, and don’t really think we can hold out for money like that?

    He’s in the last year of his contract. He’s been sent to train with the reserves. It’s no secret he and the manager don’t get on, he’s got a dodgy reputation and he’s inconsistent on the pitch.

    In essence we’d be very lucky to get £3m for him considering we signed him for £5.5

  • 119 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    rake

    That kinda proves the point. Some people are afraid of him going to Everton and being used properly!

    pardew and his stone age coaches and fellow goons are more adept at brawling than setting up free flowing fluent passing attacking football.

  • 120 Markaccus // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    Jonas kept his number, according to the list posted yesterday

  • 121 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    our toon

    saw gregory yesterday on the box, another pardew clone, charmless cockney wide boy and spiv who loves himself to bits.

  • 122 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:43 AM

    Rake

    Cisse knew how to play with Ben Arfa. 6 wins in 6. How many goals and assists?

    Both players are still here yet are under utlalised by the manager or played in sytems/positions that do not allow them to flourish.

    People criticise Ben Arfa for being to greedy, not seeing that he is often asked to track back, win the ball in our own half and try to do something brilliant. People criticise Cisse for being rubbish, not seeing that he is played in the wrong position and ask to do things he is simply not good at.

    Teams are built around lesser players but our team is built around it’s manager.

    An army wins a battle based upon how a general employs his tactics to bring the best out of the soldiers he has.

    Any general who uses the same tactics despite having an army not designed for that kind of warfare is destined to lose.

  • 123 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:43 AM

    Slank…the link I read said he both have a number and one year left of his contract. The club is looking to sell him for a minimum fee.

    Doesn’t make any sense that he is training by himself in Argentina. Surely I am not the only one who can see that?

    Maybe it’s time we start to look at this club a bit differently.

  • 124 G // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    Regarding Jonas, there was talk the other day of some teams having a look at him, as we are desparate to offload him. If he is in Argentina, then I am sure it is an attempt to drum up interest there? That’s entirely me reading between the lines by the way.

  • 125 Owldman // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    Is this the same Martinez that refused to condemn McNanaman for his horrendous takle on our fullback that could have destroyed his career.

  • 126 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    Markaccus

    I read somewhere that Alan Pardew gets paid £1.5 million per year and Frank De Boer gets paid 500 000 euros in the same period of time.

    I just think Ashley is scared of people he doesn’t know.

    He met Pardew years ago in a casino and trusts him.

    It seems that the longer he knows people there more trusting he is to give them jobs at the club.

    I just hope Ashley is getting to know other managers in and around the footballing world.

  • 127 Markaccus // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:49 AM

    Jesper

    Probably doesn’t see the point in trailing all the way here to train when there is no chance of him playing for us ever again. Bad treatment of a loyal dedicated player, in this case by Ashley who doesn’t want him to trigger a contract extension.

  • 128 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:51 AM

    How is this quote for size. It’s from an American newspaper:

    “If more “Americans” are watching soccer today, it’s only because of the demographic switch effected by Teddy Kennedy’s 1965 immigration law. I promise you: No American whose great-grandfather was born here is watching soccer. One can only hope that, in addition to learning English, these new Americans will drop their soccer fetish with time.”

  • 129 deeps // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:52 AM

    Dont think everton will be after benny anymore because they just signed Atsu on loan from Chelsea

  • 130 Markaccus // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:56 AM

    Beatroll

    You hit the nail on the head. Ashley goes with who and what he knows and trusts. He knows pardew, trusts him and his style of management. The other managers he might trust are probably no different style-wise and are probably even more limited than Pardew. Fcuk knows which other dinosaurs are in his manager pot! If pardew is the best of them (as i suspect he is) there must be three hat stands and a bowl of fruit in there :D

    Now that ashley has improved player imports, surely now.is the time for a change of style? Most here dount pardew can or will change, so do we.think there is a chance, say come xmas, that ashley will boot pardew if the style hasnt changed at all?

  • 131 Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:58 AM

    Don’t know if anyone else has mentioned this, but seems as though we’re not the only club completely bullshitting Incoming players as to our ambitions! Haha Valencia claiming that when he signed he was told that West Ham would be pushing for top 4. Not in a million years, they’re more of a joke than we are.

  • 132 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:58 AM

    atsu is a striker

  • 133 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:58 AM

    Mark…I actually had a question about that earlier. Nothing has really been said by the club on this matter and Jonas doesn’t seem to implicate a game could trigger a contract extinction.

    Do we know for sure this is the case? And even if it’s the case Jonas has been quote saying the coach haven’t explained to him why there is no future for him at Newcastle.

  • 134 JamesToon // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    Apparently Rihanna is going to buy a UK football club, would anyone want her? lol

  • 135 Markaccus // Aug 8, 2014 at 11:59 AM

    Jesper

    Thats coming from.the.nation that wanted to make cricket more exciting, and came up with Baseball! The most boring sport i have EVER tried to.watch. Even golf is more stimulating ffs! They then went on to make it their national.sport! I think we all know what their sport journos can do with their opinions on FOOTBALL. :D

  • 136 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:00 PM

    I smell a rat!

  • 137 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    Mark…I just thought I had heard it all, that’s why I posted that quote about “soccer” :D

  • 138 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    owldman

    no manager and i mean no manager will publically condemn his own player. How many times did pardew defend barton. Hardly takes away from the fact that martinez is light years ahead of pardew in every way on and off the pitch.

    name one manager in the EL who couldn’t outwit or get the better of pardew

  • 139 Markaccus // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    Jesper

    Yep, no.one has confirmed this, but it is the same.story that was hovering around last season when he went to Norwich on loan, so i think there is likely to be truth in it.
    We certainly know Pardew liked to use him, so i doubt he has frozen him out. I reckon its Ashley this time.

  • 140 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    JamesToon…I would just life her regardless of her buying a football club ;)

  • 141 manxpie // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    I think this arfa thing goes deeper than just the manager he’s had bust ups with countless players throughout his career aswell and there were rumours of the same with collo last season
    All in all he obviously effects the whole squad
    Just sell him so we can all move on

  • 142 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    *like

  • 143 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    james toon

    desperately trying to work umbrella in to an answer!!

  • 144 Markaccus // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    Jesper

    yes quite an entertaing article over all. What funny little people our trans-atlantic cousins.are.:D

  • 145 T.T.V.V.T. // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:04 PM

    Anyone know when Cisse is supposed to be back from injury.

    He’s become somewhat of a forgotten man at Newcastle although im sure Pardew has always liked him and will still have him in his plans.

    Not necessarily a bad ting IMO. We know Cisse has done it in this league in the past. Whats to say that with a new attacking style of player around him and hopefully a new attacking philosophy he can become that poacher/danger man yet again.

    Im excited to see what he’s capable of when played alongside De Jong, Cabella, and possibly Riviere.

    Got no idea how long my excitement will last, but let’s hope for the team’s sake it’s the whole of the season.

  • 146 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:05 PM

    Mark…we also know he questioned the coach’s training to name some in the summer and was hardly used afterwards.

    The season before he figured alot. If this contract thing is true why didn’t the sell him last summer?

    I am telling you a smell a rat. What you are witnessing is the spin in motion my friend!

  • 147 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:05 PM

    would rather keep benny ahead of colo – a joke captain who doesn’t even want to be here!

  • 148 NUFCJackW // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:06 PM

    Rotonda

    My bad, sorry. Thought it said pathetic, even though the words are very similar.

  • 149 T.T.V.V.T. // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:06 PM

    @G

    I read an article this afternoon that said, even though Jonas has been given his squad number for the upcoming season, he is staying in Argentina – training on his own with the aid of a personal trainer.

    Meanwhile, his agent is trying to secure him a permanent deal somewhere. The most likely destination therefore is South America.

  • 150 manxpie // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:07 PM

    Rotonda plenty of managers have condemned there players for bad tackles or stupid acts and mctwatamans was 1 of the worst I’ve seen in a long time
    Martinez lacked a lot of class that day imo

  • 151 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:08 PM

    Colo has also had a spat with the coach and wanted to leave!

    …we don’t really know what happened and why he wanted to leave. There was lots of rumors about family and other private matters :)

  • 152 Slank // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:08 PM

    Markaccus @ 130

    Articles that I have read over years about Sports Direct suggest that if Ashley trusts a person that person is left to get on with the job and gets Ashley’s full backing.

    Again, according to media reports Ashley has a very loyal bunch of people around him. I would imagine that is the same scenario at the club, perhaps more so as it’s his own money !

    I always think of Tony Soprano when I see Ashley. I wonder if his business methods are the same !

  • 153 Slank // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    Jesper

    That is one of the roles of being a captain. You tell the manager what you think or/and what the players think.

    Sometimes it gets out of hand. This happens at all clubs.

    It is a healthy relationship.

  • 154 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    Slank…maybe our very own Tony Soprano should affiliate himself with someone who knows how to run a football club then :D

  • 155 tequilamag // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    Jesper they did try to sell him last Summer, the loan
    deal with Norwich was with the option to buy. Getting relegated and sacking CH put the spoilers on that one

  • 156 T.T.V.V.T. // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    @Markaccus

    Yes. I am of the opinion that there has been slight switch in the attitde towards the playing staff and manager at board room level.
    It’s my feeling that given the work and relative success we have had in the transfer market, coupled with the stick that Pardew recieved at the back end of last seaaon, that he has until Christmas to show a vast improvement in results.

    If we were to find ourselves in the bottom half at the turn of the year I think Pardew would get the push.

  • 157 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    Slank…I agree and in a healthy relationship any player should be able to that that tight?

  • 158 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    *right

  • 159 davetoon // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    Just can’t imagine Pardew allowing Ben Arfa to play at another premier league club cos he will have too much to lose if HBA performs

  • 160 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:15 PM

    tequila…wasn’t Jonas loaned out in January?

  • 161 Ian Toon // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:15 PM

    Jail – I have always personally thought that JFK was sacked. You can add this view to all the other conspiracy theories on the subject . I believe that Ashley appointed Kinnear as a lightning conductor to divert attention away from other parties in the short term. Pardew from the outset genuinely thought that he lacked any of the requirements of a DOF but only really complained directly to Ashley over not getting a Cabaye replacement . I recall suggested evidence of this from a post by Tads at the time of the departure of JFK in the form of a comment by Pardew any elaboration stopped by the clubs press officer.

    A Cabaye replacement would have appeased many fans and not caused talk of season ticket renewal cancellations. Ashley acknowledged that Kinnear had five months to secure a replacement and that the close season would be more hectic than for many years because of those leaving the club.

    Pardew stressed to Ashley that Lee Charnley, an existing employee, would be ideal to get the job done. Charnley was very pally with Pardew and Carr largely because JFK was just not around. It seems that to all intense and purposes Charnley was covering the role administratively. Charnley had drawn up an action plan for the next window with dates for completion which was presented to Ashley. Carr was 100% in favour because under Joe his scouting and follow up programmes were not agreed to more often than not.
    That’s my take on it.

  • 162 Pardews Prolific Boys // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:16 PM

    Ok everybody. When was the last time newcastle had a genuine world class player?

  • 163 nut meg // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:17 PM

    Manxpie @ 150
    Dead right,him & his boss!

  • 164 DokToon // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:19 PM

    jesper @ 128

    may i ask who the fcuk said that?

    im almost offended :)

  • 165 tequilamag // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:21 PM

    No the loan deal was in the Summer. Nobody knows what the real reason Jonas has been frozen out, if it is the contract extension issue which has been speculated in the press then surely it would have been better to renegotiate the contract. It is a pretty shabby way to treat a player.
    I do find some of the anquish over the situation a bit rich though from some people. Jonas was a figure of hate the season we were in a relegation struggle and was accused of all sorts of unsavoury sexual favours for Pardew as a reason for keeping his place. Not from yourself Jesper but there are a few knuckle draggers on the site.

  • 166 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:21 PM

    Dok…a female journalist :D

    …Ann Coulter i think her name is

  • 167 Novocastrian66 // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:21 PM

    The American sporting establishment do not want football to take off in their country. If it does it will wipe out the money making machine which is gridiron football.
    Let them get on with it. If the Americans did start taking football seriously they would probably dominate the World Cup and they would have the biggest and best league in the world.
    The English game would quickly deteriorate and with it the TV money.

  • 168 T.T.V.V.T. // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:22 PM

    I’ve always asummed that Jonas has been frozen out because he’s a high earner, and they want him off their books.

  • 169 T.T.V.V.T. // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:24 PM

    Q) Does anyone know when Cisse is supposed to return from injury>

  • 170 tequilamag // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:25 PM

    Jesper, just checked the loan move was in Jan not the Summer but the general points remain the same

  • 171 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:25 PM

    tequila…I am bad at remembering this stuff so had to look it up – it says:

    “On 13 January 2014, Gutiérrez secured a loan move to Norwich City under the management of his former boss at Newcastle, Chris Hughton, for the rest of the season.”

    Regardless of him being a player in decline I just don’t think this kind of treatment is right. I feel like we are missing a few pieces of the puzzle. There is something they are not telling?

  • 172 deeps // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:26 PM

    Cisse will be back by mid October :D

  • 173 Novocastrian66 // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:26 PM

    PPB; Shearer. When he signed for Newcastle he could have went to any club in the world and he was arguably the best centre forward in the world.

  • 174 Slank // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    T.T.V.V.T. @ 156

    I agree with you. I think there are a set of circumstances which may explain the recent transfer activity.

    I believe Pardew in explaining the dismal end to the season complained that he didn’t have enough quality players once Cabaye had been sold and no replacement found. He has now been given the players and he probably knows that this is his last chance.

    I also believe Charnley is a major influence in the club to which we fans are not aware of. He obviously has the trust of Ashley otherwise he wouldn’t have been appointed.

    Also, Ashley now being on the board (why not before ?) possibly means that he knows more about the way the club is going and that decisions can be taken more quickly and with greater certainty.

    The increased prize money greatly helps too.

    But, I think Pardew has until Christmas.

  • 175 tequilamag // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:28 PM

    PPB I think it was Shola

  • 176 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    I may be drawing conclusions here, but it seems players who confronts the coach – if they don’t want to leave themselves – either gets frozen out or loaned out / sold.

    …unless of course if you are irreplaceable! There is some lack of transparency here I think. And there was something I read about Ashley not long ago that just gives me the creeps…something just isn’t right!

  • 177 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:31 PM

    That’s a penny for my thoughts and I know some of you disagree and all that. Just think about it!

  • 178 DokToon // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    jesper,

    that sright, i remember it now.. she took alot of heat over here for that… few US players also replied to her inane babblings…. should invite her to this blog, shed fit right in with some of these ppl…

    novo…

    you couldnt be more wrong… stick to things you know about… “soccer” here hasnt picked up because of the quality we had 10 years ago, its a step in the right direction to see players like bradley, dempsey and others coeme to the MLS, where hopefully, it begins to lead to other good players coming here as well… hope its ok with you, i can stay a toon supporter, being an uneducated american…

  • 179 Belfast // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    Would be a good move for him.

    Hope he goes to Lyon though, or somewhere else where he can’t come back to haunt us.

  • 180 Pottsclock // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    I think Martinez would get Ben Arfa motivated and playing, but…
    1. I don’t think it would last. He’d get a good season out of him and once a long term deal was signed I think he’d also struggle in the same way to get him motivated and focused
    2. Because the above would clearly lead to an egg-on-face moment for NUFC – why on earth would we loan him to another EPL team?
    If I was MA, I would much prefer to subsidise a return to Lyon than have him go to another EPL at no cost

  • 181 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    Dok…don’t take it heart we have a few loonies here in Denmark as well!

    …where do you think that quote from Shakespeare came from ;) lol

  • 182 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    *take it to heart

  • 183 Sliema // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    Jesper

    I’ve met some of you loonies haha!

    Which Shakespeare quote is that then?

  • 184 Ian Toon // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    Slank – your right. Pardew has to get results.

  • 185 Jeff from Benwell // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    Debunking a few myths on here about HBA
    He was at Lyon from2002/2008 they did win 5 titles
    but in 6 years HBA played only 64 games and scored 7 goals – hardly a key player
    While at Lyon he had training ground punch ups with Sebastien Squillaci and Karim Benzema he also had a punch up with fellow player Modeste M’bami on the pitch while warming up just before kick off !
    He was frequently fined for missing training at both Lyon and Marseilles
    He was at Marseilles for 3 years 63 games 9 goals
    The managers he has fallen out with :-
    Gerard Houllier
    Alain Perrin
    Ronald Zubar
    Raymond Domenech
    Eric Gerets
    Didier Deschamps
    Lauren Blanc
    At both Lyon and Marseilles he went on strike to get a move.
    Makes you wonder why we signed him and how well Pardew has done to last this long

  • 186 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    Jeff

    What has he done at NUFC though?

  • 187 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:52 PM

    We had a former pope who was Hitler youth.

    The past doesn’t make a man, it merely shapes him.

    To me it looks like Benny has learnt and is hardly causing a massive fuss over his circumstance. The only ones moaning are the fans, and we have a right to moan cos Benny is an amazing talent.

  • 188 nut meg // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    from the chronicle
    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mark-douglas-what-formation-newcastle-7583561

  • 189 Ian Toon // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    tequila- I used to love watching Jonas. He always looked totally knackered but was Pardew’s go to player for a tactical ploy. In our 5th place season he was immense.

  • 190 DokToon // Aug 8, 2014 at 12:59 PM

    jesper,

    and it seems all the nutters end up on the blog :)

    just saying its growing here, and theres talk of doing our standings just like the prem, relegations and all, which would be a great thing…

    being my son plays, by the time hes 18 or so, maybe the sport will be as big here as it is over there… i can only hope…

  • 191 T.T.V.V.T. // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:00 PM

    @jesperfuglsang – capt’n awesome of the lemon crew

    Are you Danish?

    If so, how popular is the surname Andersen in Denmark?

    That’s my surname but i dont know any of the history of my name, or any contact with any of my relatives who may or may not still live in Denmark.

  • 192 Jeff from Benwell // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:00 PM

    We had an Austrian pope whos
    Soe Argentinian successor says aforementioned Hitler youth member suppressed much information about priestly child abuse.
    Beatroll NUFC has a roster of 40 odd professionals the bad apple must be eradicated in favour of the majority

  • 193 tequilamag // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:01 PM

    Ian, I really like Jonas and had many an argument with posters about his worth to the team. It`s sad to see it come to this. I always thought his best position would have been as a fb. His hard work would have been better served supporting a winger than. His best form was with Enrique. They formed an excellent partnership.

  • 194 DokToon // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:02 PM

    jesper,

    did you know that in canada, the lowest paper, denomination is a $5? they have dollar and two dollar coins, the one dollar coin is called a loonie as well ;)

    i found that out by going to a strip club in montreal, and i had to ask how, if i were to tip a dancer, wouldnt the dollar coins weigh her thong down, and eventually have it come off, lol…

    stupid amercians :)

  • 195 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:03 PM

    Jeff

    You’re starting to sound like Hitler.

  • 196 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:04 PM

    Jeff

    And what if the bad apple is a part of a poisend tree.

  • 197 Ian Toon // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:05 PM

    Enrique- yes. They dovetailed really well. That was probably him at his best.

  • 198 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:06 PM

    Jeff

    Also…

    You’re apple analogy holds no water.

    Liverpool’s bad apple turned out to be a golden one that was more delicious than the others. They subsequently sold it.

    Not all bad apples are rotten to the core. Some just have to be tended to in the right way.

  • 199 tequilamag // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:07 PM

    Anyway lads chores to do , happy blogging

  • 200 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:07 PM

    *They subsequently sold it for £70 million.

  • 201 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    Have to say its is story’s like this Jonas one in the Chron which always keeps the accusation there bitter sh1t stirrers in mind

    They were the ones to initially report why Jonas had been dumped from the squad and hoyed out on loan due to a clause in his contract which triggered an automatic extension on games played

    Now there claiming a total loss of idea as to why he’s vanished from the set up
    So some where there spouting complete b0llox!

    Regardless, it’s poor treatment of a loyal servant
    I’d imagine though he hasn’t been cast out quiet in the manner there painting, he was widely touted as missing home, I’d imagine he’s training back home in and around his preferred club trying to earn a move

  • 202 Ian Toon // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    Jeff – I guess talk of apples is not a reference to the Old Testament. HBA has lost his way. Motivation comes from within.

  • 203 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:16 PM

    Ian

    How do you know Hatem isn’t motivated?

  • 204 Rotonda heights // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:19 PM

    jeff

    do you have a lot of time on your hands

  • 205 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:25 PM

    Dok… :D haha

    …I am actually still laughing about that story!

    Sliema…there is something rotten in the state of Denmark!

    T.T.V.V.T…Andersen is the most common surname in Denmark along with Jensen and Christensen.

    Most Danish immigrants who went to America and Canada bare those names. Andersen means “Son of Anders”, it’s the same as the Swedish Andersson.

    In America Andersen the 11th most popular surname – so I have been told.

  • 206 Ian Toon // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:26 PM

    If he was motivated he would have responded to the adverse criticism. Along the lines of I’ll show them. Players have short careers he’s arguably wasting the best years of his.

  • 207 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:28 PM

    Sliema…are you still dating a “loonie”?

    …just joking here of course :) (you know what I mean)

  • 208 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:28 PM

    Is Ian and Jeff the same person?

    Also any person who can truly motivate themselves and doesn’t need help from others is either delusional or arrogant enough to think that they can do it all themselves.

    It must be hard for a NUFC player to get motivated when a team that talented is only expected to finish top 10 to hit their target.

  • 209 ToonRich // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    Benny for Lukaku anyone *jokes*!!!

    As for Celtic being reinstated into the CL qualifiers, I think that will have just hiked VVD’s price back up?!

  • 210 Beatroll25 // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    Ian

    So playing for the reserves, training with the kids and getting into shape is a sign of Ben Arfa lacking motivation to remain at the club. What a load of rubbish.

    I would call that responding to criticism. If a player wasn’t motivated would he still play despite being dumped into the U21’s. Would he be bothered to play away to Barnsley for 90 minutes on their training pitch and by all reports be the best player on the pitch by far.

    Or would he kick up a fuss, say he can’t be bothered, go on strike as he has done in the past and do as little as possible?

    I agree he is wasting the best years of his life, he is wasting them under the stewardship of Alan Pardew and deserves a much better manager.

  • 211 T.T.V.V.T. // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    @jesperfuglsang

    I see. What about Newcastle? Do you know any stories of Danish immigrants fleeing to hotspots on the banks of the Tyne?

  • 212 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:43 PM

    Beatroll
    After all the ranting and raving name calling and attempts to persuade each side of the other sides case, I still think not one person in the slightest understands what is happening between HBA and Pardew
    None of the evidence presented by either side stands up….at all

    We hear HBA is unmotivated lazy disruptive etc
    That based on what we see and snippets of apparent info from sources inside the club
    But if that was the case surely he’d still be out of shape and not bothered turning out for the reserves?
    We hear Pardew is a bully and hates HBA and needs to “put his arm around him” yet throughout his career here with the exception of Jan onwards he has mollycoddled him every step
    He’s hyped him, he’s been protective over injury, despite how it’s attempted to be rewritten ( ie Taylor keeping him out the team even though he was playing LB and HBA was still returning from a horrific leg break which required addition surgery due to complications with the shin resetting), he’s allowed him to organise and travel to his own preferred treatments, mainly at the clarefontaine, all to keep him on side
    But none of it’s really worked, they have seemed to take the complete p1ss out of each other
    HBA continually returning out of shape after each season, each knock and trip home whilst continually opting out of team building exercises

    And then Pardew throwing him back in because he’d promised a return date to the masses not knowing what condition he was in due to allowing him to go AWOL simply because he was up against and Benny was his trump card

    Pardew has built him up so much he’s pinned nearly all our hope on him and it can be perceived that he’s now laying the blame of that hope not being reached at his feet
    It’s as hard for a player to live up to the hype put on his shoulders by his coach when that coach has no idea how to help unlock that potential as it is for the same coach to build a team around a player who doesn’t seem to want to be part of that team

    No one knows the ins and outs no one ever will, all we know us it simply won’t work between them no matter how much each side of the argument attempt to overblow there point and present personal opinion as fact
    Personally hope Benny moves on, he’s wasting his career here when he should be at his peak
    Would be good to see the lad come good, Pardew has been given his backing by the chunky one so why waste a year out of what could possibly still be a successful career by rotting in the reserves

    Does anyone think he’ll be happy looking back at his career and seeing Rotondas scrap book of his ligue 1 glory days then being know as that player that was almost good?

  • 213 Our Toon // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:44 PM

    Ian & Jeff

    Where should I start, Ian what more do you want the player to do? He’s training with the reserves, the kids and Beardsley….he’s still being positive by declaring he’s happy and enjoy training, has got himself into shape (albeit a little later than the rest) took his punishment on the chin. I find it strange that he was fined and after the appeal was put in we have no further news.

    Jeff – Enrique, Nolan, Barton, HBA, Jonas, Marveaux, are all of these bad apples? They’ve all criticised this regime and have been swiftly dealt with. I find it amusing that you point out all of HBA’S previous antics but then stop when it comes to the toon. Why hasn’t he gone on strike here?

    Why are so many of the haters concerned about HBA moving to Everton? He’s shite and doesn’t track back and is inconsistent right? Haha

  • 214 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:45 PM

    T.T.V.V.T…we talk about linguistics on here once – about the similarities between the Scandinavian language and that of the Geordies.

    But I don’t know precise stories. Some of your words does seem to derive from Danish tough ;) and that Ginger color could well be Danish as well lol

  • 215 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:48 PM

    Our Toon
    Not concerned about him going to Everton at all
    Good luck to him if the move comes off

  • 216 MrMojoRisin76 // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:49 PM

    We finished 5th,had a season of non investment to a side with extra games in Europe and had a nightmare,to understand this more look at Swansea,go and look how many players they signed the season they got into Europe and then how bad they done in the league and everybody was wanting Laudrup as manager.Pardew got 1 1st teamer in Anita and we struggled with injuries and where we finished reflected that.Last season without Europe we had a terrible start but Pardew picked the players up and we got to 5th again and then Jabba took a massive dump on our season,the terrible run started the day the transfer window finished.This season he’s spent some money which should have happened 2yrs ago after we finished 5th.I support Pardew and believe he will do well again with the signings we have made.I post this message because more and more the Anti-Pardew fan’s are slating the people who support Pardew.The views i have gave are facts,there is no bullsh1t,no twisting words,facts.I log in every day to idiots posting absolute horse-sh1t about Pardew this and Pardew that and you all have the right to an opinion,i have gave up debating space cadets because i understand exactly that,but please stop calling the people who still support Pardew.I have gave my balanced and logical opionions.

  • 217 manxpie // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:51 PM

    Beattie arfa simply can’t kick up a fuss now he’s a “changed man”
    As no club will come near him not a big 1 anyways
    Pardew has said if he gets into the team ethic he will be a part of the squad
    Can’t see anything wrong with that
    It’s how it should be as every other player seems to be able to do it without any problems

  • 218 Whumpie // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:53 PM

    Beatroll25 all the way back at 108 – I’d take issue with the “done nothing wrong” assertion.

    From watching him last season: He’s clearly out of shape and knackered after 20 minutes. He starts fast then slows down and stops chasing the ball or tracking back as his physical fitness comes up short. It’s been like that for ages and yet he turns up overweight again. Muscle is no good if you’ve been told to get lean and fit.

    He’s also STILL unable to play as part of a team after years of trying to get him to do so. He may lack good movement around him but last season he just kept his head down, kept the ball too long and ran into walls – again and again. Once or twice it led to goals – important ones – but far more often it lost posession. He was a liability, not an asset, and the coaching staff have clearly decided that they’re not about to fix him.

    That’s why we’ve had no offers – even at £3m let alone 30. He may have talent, but he’s just not that good a player. There’s a big difference.

  • 219 Williamson is Bramble in disguise // Aug 8, 2014 at 1:53 PM

    I’m assuming the reason Benny got dropped was because once we were on a losing streak, Pardew starting blaming him directly for the teams losses, and as id imagine any other human to do Benny would have told him to feck off! And as for him falling out with Colo, it’s obvious Colo’s lost his legs, and if Benny or whoever tries to attack and does lose the ball, Captain Colo gets caught out for being too slow, what with Williamson being no quicker…It’s not Benny’s fault our defence always gets shafted, Colo and Willo simply arnt up to it, the fact Willo looks our best defender says it all about how far we have fallen, he’s stayed the same while Colo’s declined massively, Saylors been outcast and not played for a season after one game, and M’biwa got dropped after 3 clean sheets and mistreated massively…

  • 220 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 8, 2014 at 2:02 PM

    Whumpie

    Percy would bring Benny on late in the game in order to save the day after Percy’s plan A flopped. Benny was left to try something special. It didn’t always work but he tried very hard. I suspect Cabella will not suit Percy eventually. His career here would follow a similar course, except Percy will be gone before long.

  • 221 MassiveG // Aug 8, 2014 at 6:49 PM

    Top Newcastle moments:
    1) we sack Sir Bobby and consequently lose out on Rooney
    2) Kinnear is appointed, comes in and cancels Douglas deal
    3) Hatem Ben Arfa goes to Everton, fires them into the CL and Newcastle keep Obertan instead

  • 222 nufcalex // Aug 8, 2014 at 10:50 PM

    Shouldn’t loan out players to the competition period.




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