Roberto Martinez Interested In Newcastle Winger


There’s news today that Everton may want to follow  up their interest in Newcastle winger Hatem Ben Arfa, who seems to have no future at Newcastle, after the player fell out with manager Alan Pardew earlier this year.

Ben Arfa - SC Braga

Hatem Ben Arfa – loan move to Everton?

And as a clear signal that he is has no future at Newcastle, well as long as Alan Pardew is manager, he was stripped of the famous number 10 shirt yesterday, and it was handed to new Dutch International signing Siem de Jong, who is likely to play in the withdrawn striker role next season.

Everton manager Roberto Martinez is a very good man-manager and probably could handle Ben Arfa, and get the very best out of him at the Toffees.

And Everton could also afford Ben Arfa’s wages, and maybe a season long loan deal could be in the offing for the French International.

We don’t think Ben Arfa will want to sign permanently for another club this summer,  unless he gets a really good offer,  and will probably want to become a free agent next summer, when his contract runs out on Tyneside.

We’d prefer Ben Arfa move to a club in France so we don’t have to face him in the Premier League – because former Newcastle players have that knack of playing (very) well when they come up against Newcastle again – and Ben Arfa would be no exception.

Ben Arfa’s first club, Lyon, have also expressed an interest in taking him back to France for next season.

We’d still like to see Ben Arfa stay for the season at Newcastle, and be used in the first team squad, but we just cannot see that happening – with the poisoned situation that exists between player and manager. 🙁

What do you think?

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222 comments so far

  • Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #1

    Well he would excel under Martinez, no doubt about that.
    I’m more concerned about this CB! Why on earth can’t the club see it’s our Achilles heel!? A whole transfer window wasted if we don’t get one as we will leak goals like always.

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  • Markaccus

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #2

    He only wants to go to everton because someone mentioned “Toffees” 😀

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  • Beatroll25

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:02 AM

    Comment #3

    Ben Arfa—Lukaku—Miralles

    With Martinez as manager….

    Where’s T.T.V.V.T when you need an applicable catchphrase?

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #4

    It would be a very sad day seeing the Everton to get get the best out of him and fans fall in love with his footballing skills whilst we not only shunned him, but kept the imbecile who is managing out of his depth.

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  • Markaccus

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #5

    Bit of a brave statement, Ed?

    “Everton manager Roberto Martinez is a very good man-manager and probably could handle Ben Arfa, and get the very best out of him at the Toffees.”

    So far he has fallen out with every manager he has had!

    Time will tell.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #6

    M

    I only mentioned benny the other day as he was getting linked to a swap with lacazette and you jumped all over me!

    You say he’s fallen out with every manager.
    Not really true tbf. He’s won 5 league titles in France at 2 different clubs. Manager loved him at Lyon but he got transferred.

    How any of our players have achieved anything close to that in their careers while also being out injured for long stretches. SJD maybe, but that’s it.

    He has this bad boy image but when you ask people to actually quantify who he’s fallen out with it isn’t quite as many as you may think.

    Ben Arfa spent three years at the academy and, upon leaving, signed with Lyon, where he won four Ligue 1 titles.

    In his early career at Lyon, he played as a centre forward, but moved into a winger role during the 2007–08 season.

    In the summer of 2008, Ben Arfa signed with rivals Marseille for €11 million through a move which required the intervention of the Ligue de Football Professionnel.

    With Marseille, he won the 2009–10 league title, his fifth overall, as well as the Coupe de la Ligue in 2010

    Not too shabby

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  • Beatroll25

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #7

    Markaccus

    He didn’t fall out with Hughton.

    Although that was only 4 months so he would have done in the end probably.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #8

    If sure that if Hatem was really enjoying his attacking football and being motivated to do so by a good man-manager whilst also not just playing as a second right back, his ‘bad boy’ image would be highly curbed and a lot easier to manage.

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  • Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #9

    I think Martinez is a very special manager though, and will be able to sense Ben Arfa’s issues and help him settle as well as give him a platform to play his way.
    He will work closely with Mirrilas who is a great player and see how he has improved.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #10

    Behind the scenes in the Premier League you are hard pushed to find a bad word against Martinez. A very likable man.

    Our prat, is the opposite story.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #11

    LR 32

    In a nutshell. For all the good signings going on and an obviously improved version of JFK in Charnley, we still have a train wreck of a manager and you could just see benny thriving under an actual proper football manager in Martinez.

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  • Markaccus

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #12

    Rotonda

    It wasnt you i jumped on! You hadnt said anything about it while i was complaining about the same people having the same argument about HBA. If anything you started on me calling me blog leader and asking for a list of acceptable topics!

    People were not talking about the swap deal, they were using it as an excuse to carry on fighting about who is to blame. Thats why i said i was disappointed when you took my complaints out of context!

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #13

    Rotonda, I know. It might have been Big Pappa who said it’s like driving a Porsche with the handbrake on.

    :-/

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  • NUFCJackW

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #14

    Rotonda/Laurent Robert

    Isnt it a shame that your constant attacks on Pardew arent going to change a thing.

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  • Markaccus

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #15

    Geremi

    Ok, maybe Martinez might be a bit special. He may succeed where many others have failed. Fergie used to do that. Now, we can all blame pardew for being pardew, but it’s unfair to blame him for not being fergie or martinez, not many managers are 😀

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  • Geordiedoonsooth

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #16

    What’s so special about the number 10 shirt. The only number speacial at Newcastle is the FAMOUS No. 9

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #17

    Jackw, my attacks are the ones similar to those in the crowd on match days. Did you see all the discontent and banners? Pardew couldn’t even come out of his dugout. There’s a majority, not a minority. Nobody I know wants him to stay.

    He should not be there. Our discontent at inept management should be voiced.

    The ones who don’t want him and stay quiet are sweeping his incompetence under the rug.

    Pardew out.

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  • Beatroll25

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #18

    Markaccus

    I blame Pardew for not being Hughton in some respects.

    It is all well and good having a limited manager who won’t ever likely achieve anything in his football career due to his lack of that something special.

    But when he is an unlikable turd to boot, it is hard to swallow.

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  • G

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #19

    I think this would be an excellent move for HBA, but given our squad, I expect us to be competing with Everton for league finish, so think this could be a dreadful move for us. Would much rather see him go overseas. His game would be absolutely perfect for the Spanish league.

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  • deeps

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #20

    Celtic have been reinstated into the champions league because legia played with an in eligible player :/

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  • G

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #21

    Beatroll25, intresting statement :

    “I blame Pardew for not being Hughton in some respects.”

    Can you remember the overall opinion of CH when he was appointed was very negative, but at least CH managed to turn us around by and large and improve us as a team. Take note AP.

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  • martoon

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #22

    deeps @20 – How jammy are Celtic?

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  • NUFCJackW

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #23

    Laurent Robert

    I agree, the majority-including me- want him out.

    But posting attack after attack on Pardew will not change the current situation.

    Unfortunately, he is here now. At the moment there is nothing we can do. The ‘mass’ boycot really did its job didnt it.

    Lets be realistic. He headbutted a player and still kept his job. Ashley could have sold him then, but no. I really dont want him here, but he is only going to lose his job if he gets us relegated and to be honest, I dont think we will be relegated mate.

    Can you even discuss good things about NUFC ? Or does Pardew have to go first ?

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  • Markaccus

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #24

    Beatroll

    but fundamentally you are blaming him for being the way he is, which causes you issues and thats fair enough. I have my issues with him too, i just can’t see why everyone automatically thinks Martinez (as good as he seems to be) will succeed where MOST others have failed, regardless of what he won and where, he still fell out with managers and got moved on.

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  • Our Toon

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #25

    Have we actually improved under pardew….NO we haven’t, he has much better players that CH had and still struggles.

    It’s a shame that HBA will be sold but the biggest shame will be for those criticising him….He should be in his prime now, some still make fat jokes but blatantly disregard recent pictures of him looking very trim.

    This lad will come back to bite us on the arse and those who give him stick now will say why did we sell him.

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  • Our Toon

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #26

    NUFC Jack

    The mass boycott had no affect because it took place between 60 and 69 mins….by that time pies and pints had been consumed…to me it was a pointless exercise. Try a boycott without actually attending and that will make a big difference.

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #27

    Beatroll
    Not that this adds or takes away from any points made but didn’t he only feature under Hoots for 3-4 games before the De Jong tackle and went back to France?

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  • LGFUAD21

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #28

    Geordiedoonsooth
    August 8, 2014

    At newcastle not much special about a number 10 but universally it jis probably the most valued number in the modern game. It is often given to the special talent within a team.

    Zidane
    Del Pierro
    Totti
    Marradonna
    Pele
    Messi
    Cruyff
    Platini
    Best

    I think you can see from the list above how many great players have worn the shirt and what type of players they were.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #29

    Jack, I’ve spoken about some of the new players coming in and that I’m am pleased with their arrival. Janmaat, Siem, Cabella are all the type of signings we can realistically go for. That is good work by Carr and Charnley. They are mainly just replacing outgoings though so we shouldn’t get ‘too hyped’.

    However, we’ve had other good signings in recent years, yet we still pull out the absymal record breaking results. So excuse me if I’m rather cynical about the whole situation. I’m going on Pardull’s career, not a few replacement signings when we still have easily enough money for a top quality striker AND centre half with money left over after that.

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  • NUFCJackW

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #30

    Our Toon

    Your right, that would make a difference. But do you honestly think we could get a mass boycott before a ball has been kicked ? I dont.

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  • Ketsbaia9

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #31

    Krul

    Janmaat Alderweireld Van Dijk Santon

    Grenier Sissoko

    Ben Arfa De Jong Cabella

    Remy

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  • Beatroll25

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #32

    Markaccus

    I don’t blame Pardew for being the way his is but I do think the way he is, isn’t something that our club deserves or needs.

    If anyone is to blame it is Ashley for employing him, but the way Pardew is has made us a laughing stock at times. As I said it is something I cannot stomach. Sadly he has made no attempt to change, but which self absorbed person does? I know my stubbornness has led to problems in the past, but I’d like to think I am a geniunly good person to boot and also a very good manager too.

    It might not be in footballing temrs, but the principles of management do not differ from place to place. Sadly the world is littered with people like Pardew. It isn’t his fault he was born a turd, but it is his fault that he doesn’t think he has to change.

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  • T.T.V.V.T.

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #33

    @Beatroll25

    HAHAHA im here fella, just been busy the last couple of hours.

    Yeah; Ben Arfa would doubtless perform miracles alongside Miralles, under Martinez.

    But for how long? I give him 18 months before there’s another controversy.

    I hope to God he doesnt go to another club in the ELP.
    It was like when Ginola went to Spurs. He’d been incredible for us, one of the players of the division. Scored some spectacular goals.
    Then he goes to Spurs, scores that mazy dribble against Charlton or someone in the FA cup and now he’s known for being a Spurs player.
    It annoys me that as soon as they leave the club the country just forgets to mention them in association with NUFC.

    In Ben Arfa goes to another club in England i’ll be gutted, cos he’ll turn it on against us, definitely.

    No, a sale to France is what’s best. So lets get it done and get one of the Lyon lads coming the other way.

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  • Ketsbaia9

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #34

    Alderweireld, Van Dijk, Grenier and Remy would cost about £32m

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  • LGFUAD21

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #35

    Our Toon
    August 8, 2014

    Maybe try not to boycott. What would it achieve.

    Even if the fans were bought into it and mass boycotted the game. Yes it would hurt the club.

    It wouldn’t hurt MA much though. He doesn’t take a salary from newcastle. It would only push him to be less supportive.

    I think this summers window proves he does want success here.

    People saying we have only spent what we brought in in transfers. Generally that’s how it works unless you have huge CL profits.

    Take away money raised from sales and you have what maybe £15-20m profits?

    So all this talk of TV money. You can guarantee our wage bill has increased this summer. It’s smart to not spend all you profit at once on the promise of future profit. It leave no capital reserves or rainy day fund.

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  • Our Toon

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #36

    Markaccus

    Have you ever considered the play may have changed? I know it’s a strange concept but look at the lads comments regarding h’s losing 3-0 etc and how he wished he was on the pitch to try and help. If he’s such a handful why is he happy to train with the reserves and not be unprofessional and disappear to force a move like he’s done previously?

    He will always be opinionated and that is his biggest downfall…telling it like it is….sorry boss your tactics are shite.

    The ben area of old would be chilling in France right now having a hissy fit and not training with the reserves and praising Beardsley, not making statements like I’m enjoying training with the reserves etc.

    All of this points to a happy and changed man in my eyes, especially considering he has said he should be held accountable for previous issues at clubs.

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  • beefman13

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #37

    LGFUAD, sorry for being pedantic but Geordie Best was number 11.

    The number 9 shirt at the toon is a wee bit sacred isnt it.

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  • Beatroll25

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #38

    TADS

    Yeah you’re right.

    As I said, it probably would have happened eventually. It looks like it is in Ben Arfa’s DNA to fall out with managers.

    It’s when you get a stubborn manager and an outspoken player you get problems.

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  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #39

    I’ve observed minutes silences at SJP where the whole crowd is silent and motionless. The electronic advertising changing every few seconds completely jars with the tribute and is wholly inappropriate. I’m surprised some can’t see that trying to sell a product at such a time is tacky and unseemly to say the least.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #40

    NUFCJackW

    Tragic, but if everyone was as apathetic as you they’d just accept mediocrity on a daily basis. Oh wait..

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