Why No Announcement Of These Two Players?


Nottingham Forest players 20 year-old center-back Jamaal Lascelles and 23 year-old goalkeeper Karl Darlow had their medicals at Newcastle last Monday afternoon, but nothing has yet been announced by the club, so we are wondering why the announcement has been delayed.

Jamaal Lascelles

Jamaal Lascelles – Nottingham Forest center-back

We are sure there is some good reason why the two youngsters haven’t been announced – we just don’t know what it is.

Manager Alan Pardew and the Nottingham Forest officials are talking as if the deal is complete and all cut and dried.

We don’t expect there to be a hitch, and we are loaning back the two players to Forest so they can continue to get experience playing in the Championship next season, and it’s a great deal for Newcastle.

In a year’s time these lads should be worth more than the £7M Newcastle paid for the two, and that’s one reason why Forest manager Stuart Pearce seemed to be against the transfer.

We would expect Jamaal in particular to be ready to be part of Newcastle’s first team squad next summer, but we really could have done with a good center-back brought in this summer – and maybe we’ll still get one.

Here are the incoming transfers so far at Newcastle this summer:

PlayerFeeClub
Ayoze Perez£1.4MTenerife
Jack ColbackFreeSunderland
Siem de Jong£6MAjax
Remy Cabella£8MMontpellier
Emmanuel Riviere£6MMonaco
Daryl Janmaat£5MFeyenoord
Facundo Ferreyra£1.6M - Season LoanShakhtar Donetsk
Jamaal Lascelles£4MNottingham Forest
Karl Darlow£3MNottingham Forest

And here are the outgoing transfers, with Adam Campbell going to Fleetwood Town on an initial one month loan deal – which was announced yesterday:

PlayerFeeClub
Conor NewtonFreeRotherham
James Tavernier£400KWigan
Mathieu Debuchy£12MArsenal
Sylvain MarveauxSeason LoanGuingamp (France)
Shola AmeobiFreeGaziantep (Turkey)
Michael RichardsonFree
Adam CampbellOne Month LoanFleetwood Town
Jamaal LascellesSeason LoanNottingham Forest
Karl DarlowSeason LoanNottingham Forest
Mapou Yanga-MbiwaSeason Loan £600KRoma
Hatem Ben ArfaSeason LoanHull City

If and when we announce the two Nottingham Forest players – they will be part of both tables.

And now that we’ve written about Jamaal  and Karl – look for Newcastle to shortly announce their signings – that’s the way these things work isn’t it? 😀

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19 comments so far

  • martoon

    Aug 8, 2014 at 9:39 AM

    Comment #1

    Repost:
    Beatroll25 – No it is not rubbish – the manager can only have 11 players on the pitch at the same time and playing an inexperienced youngster is always a risk.
    From memory we played a pretty strong team that was a good mix in the FA cup when we got knocked out by I think it was Cardiff. The simple fact is you hate Pardew and will blame him for everything.

    Also I heard there is ging to be an announcment today about the Forest lads – martoon the ITK 🙂

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  • Rotonda heights

    Aug 8, 2014 at 9:42 AM

    Comment #2

    It’s been very well covered that the loans need to be ratified by the football league Ed

    Just for Markakkus

    I see Martinez now wants Benny. Good luck I hope it works out for them both.

    Talk about chalk and cheese, Martinez would have Benny playing where he should be and where he can hurt teams, not tracking back more than going forward.

    The whole approach and mindset will be poles apart from the dismal glazier’s.

    I’ve just been coaching some lads over from Nice and to a man they all declared Ben Arfa to be one of the best players in the world , the ”French Messi” in their words.

    They all said Benny is way better than Grenier but admitted Lacazette was the real deal.

    If only we had a SBR or indeed a Martinez who could work with flawed geniuses, not just alienate them.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Aug 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #3

    martoon

    It’s really hard not to dislike someone whose repeated self serving team selections, negative and outdated tactics, bizarre subs, crass stupidity and oafish behaviour go unpunished by remaining in situ.

    It’s like the last 2 seasons never happened and pardew still holds court and struts about like he has actually achieved something and deserves respect!

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  • Markaccus

    Aug 8, 2014 at 9:50 AM

    Comment #4

    Rotonda

    Although i know that was intended as a dig, it just proves that you took everything i said the other day in completely the wrong way! This is a new angle and a new development on Benny. Therefore it isnt the same old repeated ar$e-aching and b1tching about him that goes on here every fcuking day.

    Now… Lets just see how it works out, if it should come to anything. Will Benny thrive? Will he fall out with yet another manager? Can Martinez succeed where every other manager has failed? Valid questions imo

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  • JDdubai

    Aug 8, 2014 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #5

    I reckon Martinez would get Benny back to form and in their team he could really fly.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Aug 8, 2014 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #6

    Good posts, Rotonda.

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  • martoon

    Aug 8, 2014 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #7

    Rotonda heights @3 – I accept that and ideally I would also like to see Pardew upgraded but we know that is not going to happen – I was trying to say just because you don’t like him you can’t hold him responsible for every player that doesn’t make it at NUFC.
    It will be interesting to see HBA under Martinez – I bet you they will have fallen out within 2 years 🙂

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  • Beatroll25

    Aug 8, 2014 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #8

    Martoon

    One final point from me and I will welcome one from you and then lets move on eh? I can’t be bothered discussing this with a Padew fundamentalist.

    You say that ‘The simple fact is you hate Pardew and will blame him for everything.’

    I dislike Pardew and think he is responsible for a lot of the issues in the club, at the end of the day he is the manager so he should take responsibility.

    Any manager in any organisation in the world has a duty to ensure that the younger staff are trained correctly, are brought through the ranks and can get to a point where they can cover the more experienced staff without too much fuss or can actually surpass their more knowledgeable colleagues. If the young staff members being brought through are contentiously failing to achieve results and end up being binned in spite of the company investing time and money into them, who will shoulder the blame and have fingers pointed at them?

    If Ferguson was an isolated case then you would have a leg to stand on, but you don’t.

    The manager is ultimatley responsible. That is his job, so come out of the temple you worship in and speak logically and admit to us that this is the case. Do you really honestly think that Pardew isn’t a big part as to why these players are not developing properly.

    Now I dislike Pardew but it isn’t just he that gets this wrong. More or less every manager we have had for the past 20 years cannot get it right. We have called other out on it in the past and should continue to do so.

    Also on your point about Cardiff, you were indeed right, we did play a first team squadx against them but you ignored my point about playing some youngsters.

    It is about finding balance between playing a team of kids ill adapt at winning a professional cup game and a team of first teamers who don’t see the cup as a matter of importance. The players aren’t motivated to win the games because the club as a whole isn’t interested.

    Thats why you have to inter-splice the team with players who naturally have a will to win with youngsters wanting to prove a point. It is all about the happy medium. Your point will probably refer back to the ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ but that is also part of the managers responsibilities. He isn’t’ hired to win some, lose some. He is hired to win every single game and take it on the chin when people question his selections.

    Some of the criticism is unwarranted but in this regard you have no dog in the fight. If I were you I’d save your Pro Pardew arguments for a different conversation because you certainly won’t be winning this discussion.

    Over and out.

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  • Beatroll25

    Aug 8, 2014 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #9

    I could accept seeing Benny excel in a foreign team but watching him destroy defences under a more proficient coach here in PL would break my heart in two.

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  • Beatroll25

    Aug 8, 2014 at 9:56 AM

    Comment #10

    NUFC Stats ?@NUFC_Stats 4m
    Chronicle: NUFC have not given up on either Alexandre Lacazette or Loic Remy, but won’t sign a defender unless another leaves #nufc

    Told you so.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #11

    M

    I only mentioned benny the other day as he was getting linked to a swap with lacazette and you jumped all over me!

    You say he’s fallen out with every manager.
    Not really true tbf. He’s won 5 league titles in France at 2 different clubs. Manager loved him at Lyon but he got transferred.

    How any of our players have achieved anything close to that in their careers while also being out injured for long stretches. SJD maybe, but that’s it.

    He has this bad boy image but when you ask people to actually quantify who he’s fallen out with it isn’t quite as many as you may think.

    Ben Arfa spent three years at the academy and, upon leaving, signed with Lyon, where he won four Ligue 1 titles.

    In his early career at Lyon, he played as a centre forward, but moved into a winger role during the 2007–08 season.

    In the summer of 2008, Ben Arfa signed with rivals Marseille for €11 million through a move which required the intervention of the Ligue de Football Professionnel.

    With Marseille, he won the 2009–10 league title, his fifth overall, as well as the Coupe de la Ligue in 2010

    Not too shabby

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  • martoon

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #12

    Beatroll25 – I refer you to my post @7 – but I agree let’s move on.

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  • lesh

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #13

    The news that we’re only pursuing a striker doesn’t surprise me at all.

    Why? I’d guess that the club will go for a CB as our weaknesses were exposed in the friendlies played so far. Saylor is out of his depth in the Prem. Taking him out of the pool, leaves very little cover if we suffer an injury to Collo or Willo and sense would suggest we need quality cover. Mind, whether Paedew and Ashley acknowledge that is questionable.

    A striker? Yes we do need to recruit but it could be argued that we are well covered in attacking resources.

    But and if reports are true and we’re only after Remy or Lacazette, then we ain’t gonna sign either and we’ll hear those well-used words to the effect that we tried and tried but couldn’t get one of them over that line.

    So, after all the promise of the first seven signings, not to mention new players believing we’re aiming for the CL, the close season, the window of opportunity will come to nothing – all for the sake of a few millions laid out when the chances were there.

    Oh joy

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  • lesh

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #14

    Celtic readmitted to Champs League draw after Poles kicked out for fielding an ineligible player.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #15

    Rotonda… ratified by the football league? and this takes so long because?

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  • wynsleap

    Aug 8, 2014 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #16

    lesh @ 13 – The saying “Don’t spoil the ship for a ha’porth of tar” is never more true than at our club. We got into Europe and Ashley did nothing to improve our playing staff for the Europa assault.
    Now we are in a situation where £8m for a top central defender like Van Dijk is an absolute necessity and would really transform this team yet we are saying no.
    I sometimes think Ashley has finally got the message about how football clubs should be run then he goes and proves that he has learned nothing.
    Beatroll @ 9 – Couldn’t agree more.
    This team could be so much better if we had a better manager than Pardew.

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  • giimps

    Aug 8, 2014 at 11:39 AM

    Comment #17

    @lesh
    Uefa kick out a team who field an illegible player, while Sunderland are only fined for doing the same thing in the league…….double standards…..should have had points deducted at the very least, as is normally the case in the football league.

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  • proud2bnufc

    Aug 8, 2014 at 2:30 PM

    Comment #18

    We still need a two more defenders not only one. If we wanna compete to other 1-5 teams in league we need a solid defense line with quality players. Colo, Mbiwa, Willo, Tayls it’s not an option.

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  • Mickalonius

    Aug 8, 2014 at 9:13 PM

    Comment #19

    Rotunda, Ben Arfa is notorius in France for falling out with managers, team mates, presidents. He has zero work rate and his only shown flashes of his undoubted talent. He’s good enough but not bothered so in my opinion it’s time to go…

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