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Savvy Newcastle Will Get Funds From This Transfer

12:13 am, Saturday, August 9th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 58 Comments

It’s likely that Southampton’s bid of £10M for Celtic and former Newcastle goalkeeper Fraser Forster will be accepted and will benefit Newcastle,  because when we did the deal with Celtic for Forster a couple of years ago, Newcastle insisted on a sell-on fee.

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Hexham-born Fraser Forster

That sell-on deal is said to be 25%, and the way that generally works is whatever profit Celtic get on Forster, Newcastle will receive 25% of that.

So that’s 25% of £8M – so Newcastle should be able to pocket £2M.

It’s surprising that Fraser’s value increased so much in just two years, and maybe Newcastle should have asked more for him two years ago, but now we will have received £4M in total for Fraser Forster.

Newcastle almost had to sell Fraser, because he didn’t want to sit on the bench at Newcastle, and two years ago Tim Krul was the firm Newcastle number one – and he still is.

And a potential twist – Celtic were beaten 6-1 on aggregate to Polish club Legia Warsaw in the third qualifying round of the Champions League, but the Polish side fielded an ineligible player.

Legia brought on Bartosz Bereszynski for the last four minutes of their 2-0 second-leg victory at Murrayfield on Thursday night, while he was supposed to be serving a suspension following a red card for violent conduct in last season’s Europa League.

So four minutes of (complete) madness by those in charge of Legia Warsaw mean that Celtic are back in the competition since they were awarded that second leg 3-0, so the Scottish giants go through on away goals.

We don’t believe this reversal will mean the transfer of Forster to Southampton will be called off by Celtic so Newcastle will get £2M.

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58 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 9, 2014 at 12:14 AM

    That £2m can go towards the purchase of Toby Alderweireld.

  • 2 Sliema // Aug 9, 2014 at 12:18 AM

    25% of £10million is £2.5mil not £2mil.

  • 3 Our Toon // Aug 9, 2014 at 12:24 AM

    Jonty

    Didn’t Deschamps mainly use sissoko on the right side of a 3 in centre midfield? He pushed sissoko to the wing once the opposition got tired and pogba took over his position in the middle. You obviously didn’t pay as much attention as you should have with this.

    Also even if Sissoko happened to find himself on the right wing for France….remind me who actually plays there for them…pogba, Cabaye, valbuena or matuidi. Do you seriously think Deschamps looks at them and thinks yeah sissoko your better

    Final note on this mate is that our current midfield Tiote and Sissoko are by far the best options centrally with De Jong behind the forward. If Deschamps was our manager sissoko would be playing centrally not on the wing

    Pardew is way above his ahead, he’s championship standard manager at best who is lucky to be in his job….didn’t he say that he’s the right man to be banging the door down for players and getting the owner to spend when he needed him to….so please explain why you feel sorry for pardew apart from the fact he has no clue? The guy knew he would be a yes man, that’s exactly what he is and a very fortunate bum who was at the dole office before his mate picked him up so he could settle debts!!

  • 4 Our Toon // Aug 9, 2014 at 12:26 AM

    Would compete to sign him, offer 7.5m and obviously the sell on fee is removed. Then sell Krul for £15m+ sign a defender from whatever funds are raised

  • 5 Average_Contents // Aug 9, 2014 at 12:35 AM

    Manxpie

    As I stated sissoko played in the middle 3 of a 4-3-3 abiet on the right of the middle three but certainly not on the wing so to speak until Deschamps changed the formation and like I said before I’m not sure where he went after that but what was clear from the world cup is that sissoko isn’t a right winger

  • 6 Jonty // Aug 9, 2014 at 12:37 AM

    What’s this crap about settling his debts? Stop talking about crap you know nothing about. Sorry but there is so much rubbish talked about this and it is rubbish. So if Deschamps was our manager he would play him in the centre but when he was France manager he played him on the wing. Doh!

  • 7 manxpie // Aug 9, 2014 at 12:41 AM

    average well he was on the left and right more than a cm so he aint a cm either then!

    so wat is he?

    all i know is that he’s played best for us higher up the pitch

  • 8 manxpie // Aug 9, 2014 at 12:46 AM

    jonty someone said today he wouldn’t sack him because he didn’t want to pay out his long contract
    at the same time as saying how he is ruining players that come to the club

    surely its cheaper to sack a low payed manager than lose multi millions on each player he “ruins”?

  • 9 manxpie // Aug 9, 2014 at 12:51 AM

    and was the 3rd highest chance creater in the prem last season
    not bad for a central defensive midfielder

  • 10 ilovetoon8788 // Aug 9, 2014 at 1:06 AM

    Very satisfied with our transfer dealings so far. we have replaced the players who left and have added more depth.

    and promoted a lot of youth players.

    Our squad is a capable of a good top 10 finish and my prediction is 9th. Top 6 is still too far away from us. Our defence is very very weak especially in the critical central defence.

    None so far has performed to a top 6 expectation. Colo has been piss poor and very slow. Mbiwa prone to mistakes like Bramble. Taylor is championship level, Williamson our only powerful average player. Best of the lot is Willo. But all not top 6 quality even.

    unless we make a marquee centre half. i’d say we are on course for 9th or 10th place finish.

  • 11 jimmysmith // Aug 9, 2014 at 1:09 AM

    I think Newcastle have bought players they hope will improve and so increase in value and also make us more competitive. I’d be very surprised if there was a big money buy unless they felt he too would increase in value, so possibly Lacazette, or on the other hand a Remy type if he was going relatively cheap. It’s a bit of a gamble, but not a huge one because the bottom ten teams are pretty ordinary and you can stack your side with up and comers and the odd old head and stay above it reasonably securely.

  • 12 lesh // Aug 9, 2014 at 1:17 AM

    Sliema

    Read the article again and you’ll see a sell on clause usually brings a percentage of profit. £10-£2m = £8m x 25% = £?

    ;-)

  • 13 jimmysmith // Aug 9, 2014 at 1:18 AM

    I also think the profits will go in large part into training and medical facilities as well coaching and scouting as he continues to try and develop and unearth talent and bring them on. Either to sell, as the prices paid at the top end of the market are incredible, or to build a stronger first team, but most of all a stronger more valuable club, which is of course very much in his interests.

  • 14 jimmysmith // Aug 9, 2014 at 1:27 AM

    I’d say Pards and Charnley are also both likely on some sort of an incentive scheme, along the lines of relatively low salary but bonuses for achieving targets. Although with The Toon no longer being a PLC I’m not sure how that might work, but it is the way Ashley operates. The guy who runs SD for him is on a salary of in the region of 150 000 pounds per annum, but made 4 to 5 million last year in share bonuses, according to a recent article in the Guardian.

  • 15 jimmysmith // Aug 9, 2014 at 1:35 AM

    Should add the figures in the last sentence of the previous post are ball park and from memory, but I think about right.

  • 16 manxpie // Aug 9, 2014 at 1:36 AM

    last season with a very small squad and very few options we started well and when pardew had his best 11 out we performed
    no “hoof ball” in sight
    we had a couple of injuries and then sold our best player it turned to shit (still no hoofball tho)
    just no attacking options

    we have now replaced players that didn’t want to be here with younger and equal potential wise with players we bought in our 5th season plus a couple of upgrades on the players that have left

    the blog seems to be the same as this time last year which is shocking tbh
    at least have a bit of optimism ffs

    beattie said today he’d love if arfa came back and did well that alot of arfas critics would be backtracking

    well i tell ya wat a hell of alot of people will be bactracking if pardew does well after FINALLY being backed !!!!

    just like rotonda last season before resuming as normal after the swansea loss! :)

  • 17 SUFC_rule // Aug 9, 2014 at 1:37 AM

    Yay more money for your fat owner pig of a man to pocket. Newcastle the joke of north east

  • 18 manxpie // Aug 9, 2014 at 1:40 AM

    jimmy ya could be right but at the end of the day it all works on success so surely its a good thing?

  • 19 Our Toon // Aug 9, 2014 at 1:42 AM

    Jonty

    The same Deschamps who took the p*** out of sissoko because he played in the number 10 role. He played in the middle right of a 3 man midfield…not right wing. He took Pogba place because the young lad was on a yellow!! A player who had the reputation of french yaya toure. In France he played best as a holding midfielder but a lot acknowledged he’d become an attacking central midfielder later in games.

    Take off your pardew glasses….let’s see how the special needs 1 does this season

  • 20 Our Toon // Aug 9, 2014 at 1:46 AM

    Manxpie

    Are you aware we lost to Arsenal, WBA, Cardiff and Man City after Xmas? That’s 4 games in a row and then beat West ham who got tonked by 7 goals in a midweek game, a west ham team that was missing 9 1st team players.

    We would have lost to Stoke as well if they didn’t get 2 reds. Cabaye was still here for them games. The wheels were coming off before cabaye left, his departure gave pardew an excuse.

  • 21 jimmysmith // Aug 9, 2014 at 1:51 AM

    Yeah, it’s a very good thing if it is the case and it pans out, which of course is a tall order. On the other hand, Ashley has done an astonishing job of developing SD, so he has form. I choose to be cautiously optimistic but still see it as being unlikely that the Toon would win a major honour under Ashley, the league or god forbid a Champions League, although that’s highly unlikely under almost any circumstance, the way the game is presently structured.

  • 22 manxpie // Aug 9, 2014 at 1:51 AM

    ourtoon he was on the wings left and right a hell of alot more than in the middle at the world cup ffs

    i would love to be able to find his heat maps that the bbc were so proud off especially old big ears!

    he was actually renowned for being in and out of games
    let alone the new toure

    how do you know he was renowned as the new toure?

  • 23 Our Toon // Aug 9, 2014 at 1:57 AM

    Manxpie

    From reports I had read on him, a lot first compared him to Viera when he was younger, as time went on those comparisons changed. Btw playing in a 3 man midfield means that he will be left and right as well as centrally.

    Just for the record mate Griezmann was left wing midfield Valbuena Right wing midfield…Cabaye, Matuidi and Pogba centrally.

    Sissoko mainly played when Pogba didn’t, only game he genuinely played on the wing was last 15 mins against the Swiss.

  • 24 manxpie // Aug 9, 2014 at 1:59 AM

    yes ourtoon 1 game with 10 men plus the 2 teams that we weren’t or wouldn’t expect to win!

    plus cardiff which i have already shown that many were happy with the line up until they played shit and then it was hell because pardew rested his best players!

  • 25 Our Toon // Aug 9, 2014 at 2:02 AM

    Oh and the player himself has been quoted to say he sees toure as a role model and looks up to him

  • 26 manxpie // Aug 9, 2014 at 2:05 AM

    ourtoon i watched the games mate he was on both wings as an outlet much much more than in the middle full stop but if you want to believe that he was at CM then fair enough

    but why was it that i saw him on the wings then and griezman and valbeuna swapping in the number 10 role???

  • 27 manxpie // Aug 9, 2014 at 2:06 AM

    have you got that quote ourtoon?

  • 28 Our Toon // Aug 9, 2014 at 2:08 AM

    Manxpie

    If he had used his squad over he Xmas period then he wouldn’t have had to make so many changes. The buffoon didn’t though did he, Arsenal at home I’d expect us to manage a draw at least, don’t even think there keeper made a save. Then he went through phase of bringing a fullback on in every game

    WBA at the time we should have won that game, we were awful against an awful team. We beat Stoke because of the reds up until that point we were losing 1-0 and managed zero shots at goal or on target.

  • 29 Our Toon // Aug 9, 2014 at 2:10 AM

    Manxpie

    I’ll do you 1 better mate

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-moussa-sissoko-facing-role-1792409

  • 30 Our Toon // Aug 9, 2014 at 2:12 AM

    http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2013/03/30/3864435/moussa-sissoko-i-want-to-be-newcastles-yaya-toure

  • 31 Our Toon // Aug 9, 2014 at 2:13 AM

    The reason you saw sissoko popping up in all different kinds of positions is mainly because France allow there players to float, no strict or rigid instructions but a lot of interchanging and movement. Very different to the drivel pardew serves up.

  • 32 jimmysmith // Aug 9, 2014 at 2:18 AM

    Yes, this idea that Ashley is only in it for the money being a bad thing is a bit hard to swallow. It’s only bad if he starts running the club like the Blackpool owners do, and with a personal fortune of over 3 billon and 65 % ownership of a business that is growing phenomenally, that’s not likely. If he builds up the club and makes us the force we should but have rarely been, I wouldn’t begrudge him a penny of it. At the end of the day he is really just the steward anyway.

  • 33 manxpie // Aug 9, 2014 at 2:27 AM

    ourtoon yes we missed alot of opertunities against west brom thats the managers fault?

    and you would expect a draw against arsenal?
    we lost 1-0 btw! plus we beat stoke 5-1 but still you complain lol

    sorry where in those articles does it say he wants to be in a cdm position

    he says he likes to get forward and score goals!
    not next to tiote and protect the defence

    and ya clutching at straws now like with his french position
    he swapped plenty of times last season and was a number 10 so maybe pardew isn’t so stupid hey????

  • 34 Our Toon // Aug 9, 2014 at 2:38 AM

    Manxpie

    When did I say next to Tiote as DM? I said his role model is toure and he looks upto him, I also said he’s been compared to him. You asked for a quote….got one and then completely changed your tune and deflected to something else much like the man your defending (pardew)

    Try to dress it up how you like bit he replaced pogba and pogba plays centrally or at least he did the last time I checked.

    For the record, toure was always regarded as a holding midfielder until city signed him and gave him some freedom. Deschamps used sissoko like citeh use Toure, he was pushed huger up the pitch to take advantage of tired legs in the last 15/20mins of the game.

  • 35 Our Toon // Aug 9, 2014 at 2:43 AM

    Manxpie

    The difference between me and you is that your quite happy to overlook the whole picture to see the end result. Stoke game we got lucky, losing 1-0 opposition down to 10 men, Williamson handball otherwise they’d have made it 2-0 led to the pen for us and put them down to 9 men. We got very lucky against a shocking Stoke team.

    WBA away yeah we missed a couple of chances but not as many as you claim mate. Btw they were managerless and hadn’t won in 10 games, 9 shots by us 3 on target.

  • 36 Our Toon // Aug 9, 2014 at 2:50 AM

    Arsenal finished 1-0 to them but as the home team we concentrated on negating them which in turn made us completely toothless. I don’t mind losing when giving it a go but to defend with the intention to stifle the opposition and pinch a goal at home is something I find unacceptable.

    In the return game pardew thought we played well and we’re UNLUCKY, 1 shot on target and we lost 3-0, could have been more…
    He was blasted by Alan Smith who said he had no idea what the tactics are, holding on when losing and not changing anything.

    Blaming the media for a defeat to Stoke was priceless!! The list is endless, never mind though we will see how next season pans out. Maybe when we get to March you lot can start banging that drum again of let’s. Judge him after the next window.

  • 37 Blofal // Aug 9, 2014 at 3:11 AM

    I worry about bringing in a big name striker because I don’t trust Pardew to develop our younger ones.

    Riviera looks the goods so far and I would like him given a chance. If we brought in Remy I would worry that Pardew would only give Riviera, Perez and Ferrerya 10 mins at the end of each game.

    I would rather we didn’t bring in another striker and give these guys adequate game time with (for a change) a decent creative midfield behind them.

    Pardew only does late and reactive substitutions and that won’t help anyone develop.

  • 38 Ethiotoon // Aug 9, 2014 at 4:07 AM

    Newcastle v. Man city
    I saw most of city’s preseason games,they looked dangerous and still attacking side,
    Personally a draw will be good result:
    …………………….krul

    Janmaat… William…coloccini…haidara
    …………..tiote…….Anita
    Sissoko…siem dj… cabella
    ……………Reviere

    Subs:
    Elliot,mbiwa,colback, ferreyra
    Benarfa, obertan,Goufran

  • 39 Ethiotoon // Aug 9, 2014 at 4:25 AM

    Newcastle v sociedad
    …………….krul
    Janmaat… mbiwa…coloccini…haidara
    ………….Anita….colback
    Sissoko…cabella…obertan
    ………….Reviere

    Subs:
    Elliot,William,Aarons,Dummett
    Goufran, siem dj, ferreyra

  • 40 Charlietoon // Aug 9, 2014 at 4:26 AM

    Anyone else think we should try and loan some youngsters to Blackpool. They barely have a team whoever we send down there, Vukic, Armstrong, Ameobi etc could get a good half a season playing championship football.

  • 41 toonicle // Aug 9, 2014 at 6:09 AM

    Ethio- since Totem is most likely out for the city game I’d rather see Sissoko in his position with colback, and Goofy – Cabella playing on the wings.

  • 42 jimmysmith // Aug 9, 2014 at 6:11 AM

    Not sure what’s going on at Blackpool. Not sure the owners deserve the club and wonder whether lending them players would be bailing out an undeserving ownership or helping out a wonderful old club. If the owners aren’t pariahs or haven’t been negligent then yeah, we have half a dozen players they could surely use and who would benefit.

  • 43 jimmysmith // Aug 9, 2014 at 6:35 AM

    It’s time Ben Arfa grew a pair and joined the fuggen program. Who does he think he is, “King f@cken Shit”. How good could this side with a committed firing Ben Arfa. What an Ass!

  • 44 Ethiotoon // Aug 9, 2014 at 7:12 AM

    toonicle..I hope he’ll recover in time,if not sissoko in his position might also a decent lineup.we should probably play counter-attacking game..
    …………….krul
    Janmaat… William…coloccini…haidara
    ………….sissoko… Anita/colback
    ……..Goufran..siem dj.. cabella
    …………….Reviere

  • 45 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 9, 2014 at 7:21 AM

    Jimmy…maybe you should have a talk with coach d, in there lies the problem!

    …he is like one of them old people who just get more stubborn as they grow older (annoying as hell)

  • 46 jimmysmith // Aug 9, 2014 at 7:30 AM

    Jesper, I’m not actually that old…….honestly!

  • 47 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 9, 2014 at 7:40 AM

    Jimmy…haha! I can see how that came off

  • 48 gaz 44 // Aug 9, 2014 at 7:44 AM

    Just my opinion but I think sissoks has played best for us on the right wing his pace and power against the likes of Ashley Cole won us a fair few games

  • 49 EbertNUFC // Aug 9, 2014 at 7:52 AM

    This should be the team on Sunday

    —————-Riviere

    Gouffran–siem—–cabella

    ——-colback—-sissoko

    Haidara-Colo-willo-janmaat

  • 50 Slank // Aug 9, 2014 at 8:02 AM

    EbertNUFC @ 49

    That could be the team if Tiote is out injured and De Jong is not but it’s not a certainty that De Jong will have recovered from his injury.

    If De Jong is still injured the team could be:

    Krul
    Janmaat – Williamson – Colo – Haidara
    Sissoko – Colback
    Obertan – Cabella – Gouffran
    Reviere

  • 51 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 9, 2014 at 8:08 AM

    Slank..the coach said yesterday SDJ will tomorrow

  • 52 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 9, 2014 at 8:09 AM

    *play

  • 53 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 9, 2014 at 8:10 AM

    http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/alan-pardew-weve-accused-spending-money-bring-now/?

  • 54 Bambams // Aug 9, 2014 at 8:13 AM

    I do not believe we will sign Grenier, Pards has already said SDJ is Cabayes replacement.

    I could see a striker late in the window however my only concern is all the suggested targets are waiting to see what other clubs come in first. I want a striker who wants to play for us.

    Finally, I hope Pards gives Aarons his chance this season. Play the lad and watch what he can do.

  • 55 Slank // Aug 9, 2014 at 8:14 AM

    Thanks Jesper

    Looks like it could be:

    Krul
    Janmaat – Williamson – Colo – Haidara
    Sissoko – Colback
    Gouffran – De Jong – Cabella
    Reviere

    I would imagine that Pardew will select a team that he hopes will play against Man City but possibly not in that formation.

  • 56 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 9, 2014 at 8:18 AM

    Still think our team is very uneven and injuries could really do us in – as could the coach’s ego!

  • 57 Bambams // Aug 9, 2014 at 8:20 AM

    Worth a read……..

    http://mobile.newsnow.co.uk/A/727565810?-11058

  • 58 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 9, 2014 at 8:50 AM

    Bambams…exactly




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