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Newcastle May Have To Sell Before They Can Buy Again

8:37 am, Tuesday, August 12th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 22 Comments

Ben Arfa, Jonas Gutierrez and Sylvain Marveaux have no future at Newcastle, and that was evident at the end of last season, and it’s been obvious in the pre-season – just in case anybody – like even the players themselves – had any doubt.s about it.

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Ben Arfa – in action against Everton last season

Thankfully Sylvain got hooked up with a loan move to Guingamp, so he’s set for next season, and will get first team games at the French club.

Jonas is still in Argentina and has a personal trainer and his representative is working hard to get him a move away from Newcastle, either on loan or permanently.

And then there is Hatem Ben Arfa, maybe Newcastle’s most gifted player, and he had an altercation or altercations with Pardew earlier this year, and the manager decided the Frenchman’s time was up at Newcastle.

There are 20 days left in the transfer window, and Newcastle will be hoping to see Gutierrez and Ben Arfa sold, or at least sent out on loan for the season to get their wages off the wage bill.

And there has been news over the weekend that Newcastle seem to be in the lead in the chase for Manchester United winger Wilfried Zaha, but it could be that Newcastle need to get both Ben Arfa and Gutierrez hooked up, before they bring in our 10th signing of the summer.

While Ben Arfa fell out with the manager, we’re not sure what happened with Jonas, but he seems to also have been ostracized by the club.

From the club’s point of view they want to move these two players out – and from the players’ viewpoint they will want to get hooked up so they ply their trade in the coming season, rather than train with the Reserves and youngsters at Newcastle.

So it’s not a good situation currently with Ben Arfa and Jonas – but Gabby Obertan has shown that if you stick in you can get a chance and Gabby has played some of his best football ever at Newcastle in pre-season – although Gabby may still go before the end of the transfer window.

From what we can tell Ben Arfa and Jonas just didn’t get that chance.

Both Jonas and Ben Arfa have one year left on their contracts, and a loan deal would probably be best for them, since they will become free agents next summer and could set up good deals for themselves.

Newcastle will want to sell both players this summer, so they get something for them – but at the very least the club will want to get their wages off the wage bill.

As September approaches, we should see more efforts by Newcastle and the players’ agents in trying to get them deals – and those deals could come late in August.

That seems to be the current situation, and it’s not good for the players and it’s not good for Newcastle.

We just hope it gets sorted out – one way or another.

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Tags: Contracts · Hatem Ben Arfa · Jonas Gutierrez · Loan Moves · Newcastle News · Transfer News and Rumours



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22 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Beatroll25 // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:39 AM

    Trollki

    I like it

  • 2 Mr Funk // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:42 AM

    @ Mister Tuff

    If we go on past actions of UK and US governments there is a good chance that what SUFC posted is true.

    See the following link:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/jul/05/bin-laden-radical-islam-collusion

  • 3 Tsunki // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:45 AM

    Well if you can’t beat ‘em, sell them. I don’t know what the idea behind HBA ‘s “discipline” is. You’d be better off keeping him and bringing him back from the cold than trying to sell what looks like a petulant and unprofessional player of any skill level. Maybe Hatem has upset Mike so much he just wants to ruin him, because he can.

  • 4 Beatroll25 // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:45 AM

    Yes, we will have to sell before we can buy.

    As I have pointed out several times over the past few days with HBA and Jonas we have 1 player over the limit of 25.

    NUFC will not want to pay wages for any ‘purple’ that is in the squad but cannot play.

    If we were to dign anyone over the age of 21 we would then have 2 purples getting full wages but not eligible to start a game, certainly not something we as a club would be willing to do.

    In truth we will have to sell 2 players to bring one in unless we can sign some young talent.

    This is why NUFC is desperate to get rid of Jonas (even offering him termination if reports are to be believed) and why NUFC seem set upon using Ben Arfa in a swap deal.

    If we cannot sell any combination of Benny, Jonas, Abied or Tiote we will not buy anyone.

  • 5 firebug666 // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:45 AM

    REPOST

    Beatroll25

    I agree 10 year deals could be worrying, but I have no doubt that Ashley will have some get out clauses in there as will puma. Remember how he treated Virgin Money when his marra from wonga came knocking.

  • 6 Tsunki // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:47 AM

    Mr Funk – surely though it’s a matter of debate on a political forum, not a football supporters blog. A bit of an extreme punt trying to curry political support here of all places.

  • 7 Beatroll25 // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:48 AM

    firebug

    Get out clauses? I was hoping he had one with Pardew but it doesn’t seem like he has. I hope you are right though.

  • 8 Tsunki // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:50 AM

    ED! Heads up! Benny cancelling tonight’s group hug is your Hatem of the Day. Get on it!

    :D

  • 9 Mr Funk // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:51 AM

    @ tsunki

    Not looking for political support – just putting information out there that either corrects a distorted view (Mister tuffs post on last thread) or just may be enlightens some people.

    Here is another link if you want a read:

    http://markcurtis.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/secret-affairs-introduction.pdf

  • 10 Beatroll25 // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:51 AM

    A guardian news link with a man named Bin Laden in the title on a NUFC blog.

    Does this mean we are getting a new owner from the Emirates?

  • 11 Mister Tuff // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:53 AM

    Funk – not true -I was referring to the current situation in Syria.
    I would agree however that a lot of the Middle East problems arose by the British and French (and others) carving up countries for their own interests – drawing straight lines on maps without regard to ethnic groups – and that is enough of the politics for me -just responding to mis -information

  • 12 scitoon // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:55 AM

    Nobody gives a toss Mr Funk. Go blog your political views elsewhere!

  • 13 Mr Funk // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:55 AM

    @ Mister Tuff

    I guess we will have to disagree – considering the UK government has done it many times in the past (i.e. supply weapons covertly to radical groups), i wouldn’t be surprised that they have done it in Syria.

  • 14 WestOzMag // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:56 AM

    Billionaire owner and we have to sell before we buy. That’s why this club will never go anywhere. Chelsea, city, man utd ,Liverpool they don’t balk at prices, they just pay the going rate to get the players in to push for success. Shirts, cup sucess, europe, tv rights, global fanbase the list goes on all cover the costs. Rubbish to the financial fair play rules too. To many “under the table” deals go on for these rules to take place. What makes me laugh is these muppets ashley pardew and co think we can push to qualify for the CL this season. HAHAHAHA!!

  • 15 Mr Funk // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:56 AM

    @ Scitoon

    Don’t comment then if you don’t care

  • 16 scitoon // Aug 12, 2014 at 8:58 AM

    Beatroll @4 – Agreed. All you have to do is list our players and you will see that we have a full 25 man squad already. Hopefully, Benny and Jonas will be sold and perhaps, just perhaps, we can have an exciting last day of the transfer window trying to get one more over the line! I used to look fwd to the last day of TW, that is until we sold AC for 35M and didn’t replace him.

  • 17 scitoon // Aug 12, 2014 at 9:00 AM

    Mr Funk – It was advice; it wasn’t me showing i care.

  • 18 OneAlanShearer // Aug 12, 2014 at 9:03 AM

    We are a class striker from safety, a centre back from constantly leaking goals and a player like grenier from really battling for a European spot but we won’t allow that to happen. …that is the tragedy of this regime. The cannot see what they have in front of them. Currently we lack a playmaker without sdj, cabella is a winger, our centre backs are fragile and we lack a cutting edge. We are mid-table without key injuries, relegation battle with them. Its not a gamble it’s a huge mistake in planning.

  • 19 musomag // Aug 12, 2014 at 9:17 AM

    I agree with OneAlanShearer. Sad but true facts being stated there.

    I disagree with all the political/religious posts popping up on this blog. WTF?

    Ed, get these people removed along with the troll that is SUFC. Why is it taking you so long?

  • 20 ToonMatt // Aug 12, 2014 at 9:27 AM

    All he has spent is the money off Cabaye and Debuchy? I knew he wouldn’t put anymore in, The mans a parasite and we need rid of him ASAP!!

  • 21 Toon-Barmy // Aug 12, 2014 at 9:32 AM

    We currently have 28 over-age players at the club (players born before 1st January 1993):
    1- Tim Krul
    2- Rob Elliot
    3- Fabricio Coloccini
    4- Mike Williamson
    5- Daryl Janmaat
    6- Steven Taylor
    7- Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa
    8- Davide Santon
    9- Paul Dummett
    10- Ryan Taylor
    11- Vurnon Anita
    12- Cheick Tiote
    13- Moussa Sissoko
    14- Hatem Ben Arfa
    15- Yoan Gouffran
    16- Pappis Cisse
    17- Siem De Jong
    18- Remy Cabella
    19- Gabriel Obertan
    20- Emmanuel Riviere
    21- Facundo Ferreyra
    22- Jack Colback
    23- Massadio Haidara
    24- Sammy Ameobi
    25- Mehdi Abeid
    26- Haris Vuckic
    27- Jonas Gutierrez
    28- Shane Ferguson

  • 22 dannitoon // Aug 12, 2014 at 11:29 AM

    I don’t think it’s to do with the transfer fees. I think it’s more to do with the wage bill… HBA and Jonas must be collectively on £100k a week…. so if they aren’t in AP plans I believe MA has every right to say.. sell b4 u buy….




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