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Is £12M Shane Long Worth Twice As Much As Siem de Jong?

12:52 am, Thursday, August 14th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 51 Comments

News last night that Southampton – after paying £10M for former Newcastle goalkeeper Fraser Forster who was worth only £2M two yeas ago when he left Newcastle, have now agreed to pay Hull City £12M for Ireland International striker Shane Long.

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Shane Long – is this player worth £12M?

Shane has certainly started to move around recently, and he only joined Hull City in January for a fee thought to be around £5M, and when he joined West Brom from Reading in this summer of 2011, that fee was around £4.5M.

So Southampton are acting as if they have sold all their good players this summer for big bucks,  and they have money to burn.

But come to think of it, Southampton have sold  all their good players this summer for big bucks. and they do have money to burn.

And it shows that British based players, like Fraser Forster, Shane Long and others, have a fairly big premium in the transfer market, not to mention their wages.

There is no way that Shane Long is worth twice what Newcastle paid pit for Siem de Jong (£6M) or Manu Riviere (£6M), and at Hull Long scored 4 goals in 17 total appearances.

And while at West Brom, he also averaged about one goal every four appearances with 22 goals in 87 games.

Shane and his representatives will now be trying to quickly work out how much a £12M pllayer should get in wages. :D

Some clubs seem to be less than savvy in the transfer market – like Fulham paying out £10M for Leeds United striker Ross McCormack, and Ross has never played in the Premier League, and will not do that next season at Fulham either.

The transfer market for British-based players (we’ll include Shane in this general term – although he was born in Gortnahoe, County Tipperary, Ireland) seems to have just gone crazy with the Saints willing to pay out £22M for Fraser Forster and Shane Long in the past week.

And to  think that Newcastle have brought in nine good players for about £35M in total this summer – and that includes three Englishman and four full Internationals.

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51 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Pottz // Aug 14, 2014 at 1:09 AM

    $10 mill for Forster is a reasonable price for a top keeper who has performed consistently well in the Champions League.

    Shane Long on the other hand. Just crazy money.

  • 2 Shaker Shakrah // Aug 14, 2014 at 1:34 AM

    Just tell me how it’s ” £35m” for nine players ???
    to make it clear for everyone :

    Colback – FREE
    Perez – £1.6m
    De Jong £6m
    Riviere £6.4m
    Cabella £12m
    Janmaat £5m
    Ferreyra £1.8m ( loan )
    Lascelles & Darlow £7m

    That’s £39.8m on 8 players and there is one only ( loan )

  • 3 Shaker Shakrah // Aug 14, 2014 at 1:44 AM

    And I agree with Pottz

    £10m for Forster is not much at all , really really !!!!!!!

    We’ve just signed a Goalkeeper from the Championship
    for £2m and we don’t even need him really .

    Krul > Elliot > Woodman > Alnwick
    If Darlow is Krul’s replacement ?
    then i would’ve prefered bringing Forster bck
    even for £10m !!
    but Ashley will not pay that for a Goalkeeper
    not even after 10 years !!

  • 4 switch365 // Aug 14, 2014 at 1:46 AM

    When Forster was sold he wasn’t even on the bench.
    Now he is an International with Champions League experience.
    A lot can happen in 2 years and his value of £10m is probably about right given the premium for him being English.
    At an eventual £4.5m we did quite well out of the deal.

    Siem will prove his worth, and it will be immeasurably more than Shane Long, On a long contract with a reasonably decent first season he could well be worth £20m+, if he has a fantastic season you could come close to even doubling that.

    Time will tell, but as a former captain of Ajax, with all the experience that he comes with, he was an absolute steal for us!

  • 5 ilovetoon8788 // Aug 14, 2014 at 1:48 AM

    Shane Long is a very good striker who can score 15+ goals.

    Don’t forget the run around he gives us each time we play him. Our defence has never been able to cope with his pace. 12million with a great midfield could be a bargain for him.

  • 6 ilovetoon8788 // Aug 14, 2014 at 1:49 AM

    Comparison with cost for Siem is moot for now. Shane Long is premier league proven and has shown he’s a more than handful for most premier league defenders.

    While siem is yet to kick a ball in the premier league.

  • 7 Shaker Shakrah // Aug 14, 2014 at 1:52 AM

    # switch365

    Let me remind you about De Jong
    There was only 1 year left in his contract dude !!!!!!!
    when he was a £15m player Ashley didn’t move for him
    at all .

  • 8 Shaker Shakrah // Aug 14, 2014 at 1:56 AM

    as for Shane Long , I think he deserve £10m
    but what ?? another 2.5m ??
    it’s nothing for Southampton when they want to
    complete the deal quickly
    but 2.5 for Ashley ? hahahahaha , everything .

  • 9 kevymartins // Aug 14, 2014 at 2:09 AM

    @Shaker it’s just rounded off. But that doesn’t change the fact we still haven’t spent a penny.

    Debuchy
    Cabaye
    Gosling
    Tav

    Plus more players are likely to be sold like Obertan.

  • 10 expatmag // Aug 14, 2014 at 2:11 AM

    Shaker

    Cabella was only 7 million apparently and Riviere was 4.5 million.

    However, there would be agents and signing on fees to take into account.

  • 11 Shaker Shakrah // Aug 14, 2014 at 2:32 AM

    # expatmag

    I only believe what Louis Nicollin said not just people from Twitter with their rummers !!
    he said that the fee was close to “€15m” , , , and £12m is around €14.2m , are you stupid enough to believe that Montpellier would sell Cabella for £7m ?
    Give me your proof you and everyone else before speaking please !!!

    as for Rivier £4.5m what ??
    I mean Monaco signed him for around £2.5m
    how you’re gonna expect a club like Monaco
    to accept such a small offer ?
    + most of the top uk sport newspapers said that the fee is close to £6.3m .

  • 12 Novocastrian66 // Aug 14, 2014 at 2:32 AM

    Ilovetoon; Shane Long has scored more than 15 goals once and that was in the championship for Reading. He has never managed to get into double figures in the Premier league.
    In 146 appearances in the Premier League he has scored 28 goals.
    As for ripping Newcastle apart he has scored against us once and we won 3-1.
    The lad has talent but is inconsistent. He is either excellent or crap.
    Mostly crap.

  • 13 Shaker Shakrah // Aug 14, 2014 at 2:38 AM

    # kevymartins

    Agree with you
    The next summer 2 or 3 top players will be sold
    maybe Krul & Tiote from these 3 and Ashley will only
    use this money to rebuild the team , like this summer
    as for Obertan i don’t think he will be sold
    it’s look like Pardew is satisfied about him !!!!!

  • 14 Novocastrian66 // Aug 14, 2014 at 2:40 AM

    It looks like Hull will use the money from the Long deal to buy Welbeck.

  • 15 Shaker Shakrah // Aug 14, 2014 at 2:40 AM

    + Obertan did well in the pre season actually :D !!

  • 16 Shaker Shakrah // Aug 14, 2014 at 2:41 AM

    # Novocastrian66

    and the fee is believed to be £14m !!
    just LOL !!

  • 17 Novocastrian66 // Aug 14, 2014 at 3:05 AM

    I think Welbeck is an upgrade on Long. Not much in it though.

  • 18 Ethiotoon // Aug 14, 2014 at 3:06 AM

    we go to the city game with seven new players.our expectations are high to get fair result if not win.
    But current city squad are champions and added further new faces.so don’t be surprised if we play defensive game,what matters at the end is a result whether you play good or bad.
    if siem and tiote are fit,good for us,they may make some difference to our team.not the best of time to play city though, but an opportunity for most of us to learn few things,if not many,about our new team.
    it’s not preseason game,it’s an EPL game,so good crowed with voices and singing is required to support our team.
    personally, optimistic about the games,favoring Newcastle to win 1-0 at the expense of sky blues.

  • 19 Pottz // Aug 14, 2014 at 3:22 AM

    Nice optimism Ethiopiantoon.

    City will take us apart. We don’t have any idea how to handle Yaya Toure, therefore I expect him to be at the centre of all things good for City. No doubt he will chip in with a goal or 2.

    If De Jong and Tiote are not fit enough, leave them be for next week.

    HWTL

  • 20 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2014 at 5:30 AM

    Shaker…because Cabella was not £12m mate

  • 21 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2014 at 5:38 AM

    Shane Long is just on a long list over overpaid Brits / UK players!

  • 22 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2014 at 5:44 AM

    The easiest money Hull has ever made. Maybe we should buy more Brits :D

  • 23 expatmag // Aug 14, 2014 at 5:57 AM

    I think Shaker should give himself a shake before he starts calling people stupid especially if he believes any words that cone out of Lois Niccolins mouth.

  • 24 expatmag // Aug 14, 2014 at 6:00 AM

    Shaker

    And you believe UK papers as well…….lmao

    Give yourself another shake

  • 25 Klatoon // Aug 14, 2014 at 6:35 AM

    why worry about yaya toure when we can deploy moussa at cm and just let them slug it out. Would make epic viewing

  • 26 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 14, 2014 at 6:41 AM

    I suppose we will never know how much we really paid for Cabella, but most seem to think it’s close to £8M.

  • 27 Mister Tuff // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:04 AM

    Never heard of Lois Niccolin before in the world of football. Lois is a girls name – so who is she.
    I am aware that the Montpellier President is called Louis Nicollin.

  • 28 cestriasteve // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:05 AM

    Forster at £10 million, well I hope his time at Celtic has improved him dramatically as I’ve only seen him play in a driendly for us and he was woefull.

  • 29 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:08 AM

    If Shane long can fetch £12 million we should of held on to Shola for a fee!!
    Shane long is a proven impact sub that’s about it as a starter he’s never found that goal scoring edge
    Anything more than £5 million is just crazy

    Jesper
    Looking at some of the fees paid this summer i no longer think it’s overpaid and overpriced UK players
    It seems if you simply play in the prem then you fetch a huge fee and can command huge wages!

  • 30 cestriasteve // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:10 AM

    As for Shane Long why didn’t Southampton take a punt and look to the championship, I know he isn’t Premiership proven but Jordan Rhodes would have been a better option.

    mind you I think Southampton May struggle this season.

  • 31 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:13 AM

    cestriasteve
    Think given he’s been a CL regular and now is getting called up to the national squad £10 mil could be slightly excessive but Celtic would of haggled it up as high as possible knowing they had to hand 25% of it straight over to mashers

  • 32 Pizzicato The Arizona Geordie // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:14 AM

    Tuff, but Louis acts like Lois all the time.

  • 33 cestriasteve // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:17 AM

    TDS,

    I’ve got nothing against him like, love to see a local lad come good and he really would have given 110% playing for us but that scunny away game was awful.

  • 34 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:19 AM

    cestriasteve
    Oh aye mate remember the pre season where Pardew was saying he had to pick a number 1 for the season……
    Krul had a game then Forster got the nod for the Leeds game and was woeful

  • 35 cestriasteve // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:23 AM

    TDS,

    I got bottled at Leeds game, my mate would have taken it but he bent down to tie his shoe lace and I got it right on the temple a la last of the Mohicans style, sparked straight out!

  • 36 deeps // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:24 AM

    Tottenham have signed Yedlin..any players from the MLS that we should be keeping an eye on??

  • 37 Jail for Ashley // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:24 AM

    tads,
    I think that’s what we are telling our new recruits these days, rather than sell them a vision of OUR future we’re saying you’ll get regular football with us if you cut it, on a half decent wage and if you prove yourself you’ll get a move to that PL CL club on mega bucks within a year or two.

  • 38 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:26 AM

    JFA
    There’s no doubt the club is pushed as a stepping stone depending on the player
    In SDJ’s case i think he’s been promised long term captaincy and a mega bucks deal once colo’s left

  • 39 Mister Tuff // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:28 AM

    Pizzicato – please do not give expat ideas to extracate himself from his fumbling/ difficulty with foreign names.
    A fortnight ago I had to pull him up for calling Lacazette – Lafayette – I had to inform him the only Lafayette I knew about was the Marquis de Lafayette – the American revolutionary – who died over 200 years ago. He’ll be back on shortly with a feeble excuse.

  • 40 expatmag // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:40 AM

    Tuff

    Is that the best you can come up with sitting behind your computer in your Pennywell slum?

    Or have you moved to Hylton Castle?

  • 41 Brutooon // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:41 AM

    I dont mind shane long, but not as our no 1 striker. he be a good backup or impact sub.

    however not for 12 million. 3-4 million should be fine

  • 42 ToonTiger // Aug 14, 2014 at 7:49 AM

    Hmm I see a plan forming

    Sell Tiote
    Move Colo to cdm
    Recruit Van Dijk and pick from him, mbiwa and willo for starting pair.

  • 43 Dingo†® // Aug 14, 2014 at 8:11 AM

    Alan Pardew stepped forward, striding on to home turf and, for a little while last season, enemy territory. On his previous appearance at St James’ Park, the manager of Newcastle United was repeatedly beaten back into his own dugout, a magnet for abuse and derision, but the circumstances were different yesterday, stilled by a pause of three months and by a partial reset, by a summer of competing emotions.
    Epithets and redundant season tickets had been hurled at Pardew during the 3-0 victory over Cardiff City on May 3, the context for which was a dreadful sequence of results in the second half of the campaign. He had been talking about the Champions League before Christmas, but two transfer windows without a permanent, senior addition, the muddled involvement of Joe Kinnear and Yohan Cabaye’s sale lost them impetus and they faltered.
    At any other time of the season, untenability would have hovered over Pardew who had earned an official warning from Mike Ashley, the Newcastle owner, as well as a £100,000 club fine, for his touchline altercation with David Meyler, of Hull City, but the season closed at an opportune moment.
    Since then, an energetic refreshing of the first-team squad has provided some cover and a chance to point to new beginnings.
    Having lost Cabaye, the fulcrum of their team, to Paris Saint-Germain for £19 million and Loïc Rémy, their only reliable goalscorer, whose loan from Queens Park Rangers expired, Newcastle were left with limited options; action was obligatory.
    With Mathieu Debuchy also joining Arsenal for £12 million, most of their business has been self-financed, but still; since when does Ashley do what is expected of him?
    There has been no change of policy. Kinnear’s appointment as director of football — there has been a rich and bloody history of contentious decisions — brought stagnation to recruitment, but Newcastle’s nine additions, including Karl Darlow and Jamaal Lascelles, who have been loaned straight back to Nottingham Forest, are all young and tied to long contracts, with one eye on team-building and the other on value.
    Enthusiasm, which had leeched from the club in spring, has flickered back, encouraged by the arrival of Rémy Cabella, the exciting France midfielder, Siem de Jong, who did not figure in yesterday’s friendly fixture against Real Sociedad, and Daryl Janmaat, the Holland full back. They remain in the market for another forward and may be a little flimsy without a central defender, but even so, their activity has understandably felt head-spinning.
    In other regards, there have been demonstrations of warmth. The death of Liam Sweeney and John Alder on flight MH17, when they were travelling to New Zealand to watch Newcastle in pre-season, was handled with impeccable sensitivity — the lives and dedication of both men will be celebrated in a permanent memorial garden at the stadium — a touching act by a club who, for all that they continue to attract devotion, can be difficult to love.
    The positivity — albeit originating from a low base — is welcome, although with Ashley’s Newcastle it is always wise to anticipate the inevitable deflation lurking around the corner and Pardew will know that, with no Kinnear to deflect attention and his squad restocked, there is pressure on him, from within the building and without, to start well. Yesterday’s inconsequential 1-0 victory, secured by Moussa Sissoko’s goal in the 88th minute, allowed for a little more momentum.
    As for the majority of pre-season, Pardew was not about to discuss it openly. Ashley’s long-cherished wish to alter the rules of engagement with newspapers means a tightening of access — three local titles remain banned by the club — a scaling back, an unwillingness to engage, just at the moment they have a fresh story to tell.
    It is their right, of course, and if they do not wish to speak, to explain defeat or decision-making, then passing judgment is simple.
    They have not withdrawn co-operation from their own match programme and in it Pardew admitted that “we came up short at times last season, but everyone has worked hard to ensure we have a team that will represent this great club in a fitting manner over the coming months and I’m relishing the prospect of what lies ahead.”
    Quietly and with caveats, that sentiment is shared; it seemed unlikely in May.
    Newcastle’s summer signings
    Ayoze Pérez, forward Signed from CD Tenerife from for £1.6 million
    Jack Colback, midfielder Signed on a free transfer from Sunderland
    Siem de Jong, forward Joined from Ajax for about £6 million
    Rémy Cabella, playmaker Signed from Montpellier for £12 million
    Emmanuel Rivière, striker Joined from Monaco for £6 million
    Daryl Janmaat, full back Signed from Feyenoord for £5 million
    Facundo Ferreyra, striker Signed from Shaktar Donetsk on loan
    Karl Darlow, goalkepeper, and Jamaal Lascelles, centre forward Signed for a joint fee of about £5 million and loaned back to Nottingham Forest

  • 44 Dingo†® // Aug 14, 2014 at 8:11 AM

    from the times

  • 45 Dingo†® // Aug 14, 2014 at 8:12 AM

    it hits the nail reet on the heed for me.

  • 46 carl // Aug 14, 2014 at 8:13 AM

    One Club, One City,
    All United.

  • 47 Jail for Ashley // Aug 14, 2014 at 8:18 AM

    This expat/Tuff exchange reminds me creepily of another couple of posters we had on here some time ago.

  • 48 optimistic prime // Aug 14, 2014 at 8:20 AM

    Oooooooo the handbags are out today!

    Morning ex

  • 49 optimistic prime // Aug 14, 2014 at 8:25 AM

    Morning expat

    Rebbeca here ;)
    Moved house etc couldn’t remember password etc so had a change of name. Hope your well buddy.

    Who cares if people get names wrong?
    On a Friday night I forget my own quite regularly.

    Shane long has been a thorn in our side on more than one occasion.
    12 mil is a joke nearly makes 14mil for Borinni look resonable!

  • 50 catchy in norway // Aug 14, 2014 at 9:03 AM

    does it really matter how much a player is signed for ?

    his value depends on so many things nowadays.

    how long he has left on his contract

    is the club in trouble

    clauses

    chairmen setting un realistic values

    what experience he has in various competitions

    which country he comes from.

    how much the new club really wants him, (liverpool paid 35 milliion for a 5 million pound player)

    the most important thing for me is the manager, he has to get the best out of any new player, the manager gets the value out of the player. paying 10 million for a striker and watching him score a goal a game just about made him look bargin, but then playing him as a winger with no assists or goals for half a season made him look very expensive waste of money
    then put him back up front with no service is also a waste.

    its just a shame all our signings will go the same way as Cisse, turn out flops under pardew, as it wont be long until they get sucked into his way of playing

  • 51 dcdick // Aug 14, 2014 at 9:15 AM

    Is he still here ?

    Pardew Out !!!




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