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Pardew Non-Committal On Futures Of Ben Arfa And Gutierrez

9:56 am, Saturday, August 16th, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 184 Comments

One strange thing that has happened this pre-season is that Ben Arfa and Jonas Gutierrez have been banished from training with the first team, and both are available for transfer.

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The forgotten men at Newcastle – Ben Arfa and Jonas Gutierrez

Sylvain Marveaux essentially found himself in the same position, but he has managed to get himself a move to French club Guingamp  on loan for the season.

The news on Jonas is even more bizarre, because he’s still in Argentina and training with a personal trainer as his representatives try to get him fixed up with a club.

One problem that Newcastle could have is that if the two players are not moved out in this transfer window – will they then be told to train with the Reserves for next season?

Alan Pardew was asked if it was important that players like Ben Arfa and Jonas, who are not in his plans for next season, are sold in this transfer window:

“Maybe, maybe not. It depends. I think the balance of the squad is always important – the spirit is crucial.” “I don’t want to comment on those players at the moment,”

“When you seen teams that win trophies, it’s obvious you need a group of players who not only have the quality and physical prowess, and more importantly have the spirit, because you can see great teams who fail when they don’t have that.”

“Look at Spain in their World Cup, and France after they won in ‘98, you need that spirit. I think we have a great spirit this summer.” “I will not allow anything to alter that spirit. I’ll ensure it remains as it is.”

“I can sense a really positive mood on the training ground,” said Pardew, who was the subject of protests from fans in the latter months of last season when the team’s challenge for a European place fell away alarmingly.

“I’m confident that will be replicated in the stands.”

Both Ben Arfa and Jonas Gutierrez may want to see out the last year of their contracts at Newcastle, and become free agents next summer, and they could resist any permanent moves before September.

The players could go out on loan, and it looks like we will have to wait until the last day or two of the transfer window before a club comes in for them, and we know their status.

If either one of them is still at Newcastle on September 2nd, it’s a very good question what happens then?

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184 responses so far ↓

  • 1 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    Graeme…I expect the coach to use the whole extend of his squad this season and to use it wisely.

    …no more nonsense about having one best starting eleven for each game and rewarding players who’s only contribution is work-rate.

  • 2 Graeme // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:01 AM

    TADS – as common as rocking horse droppings mate!!!

  • 3 toonincheek // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:01 AM

    I have the feeling that AP’s references to
    the “spirit” of the team are aimed at HBA.

  • 4 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:03 AM

    toonincheek…and Jonas ;) that is how I read it as well!

  • 5 Graeme // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:04 AM

    Wow, Jesper – you’re even more expectant than me lol, we can but hope mate – or, once again, he is going to end up with egg on his face with no hiding place!!!

  • 6 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    Graeme
    Lol aye mate more chance of finding Ashley’s PIN number

  • 7 beermonkey // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    jesper

    do you think he will use the whole squad or stick to his favoured 11

    add to throw Jonas in as a bad spirit

  • 8 Graeme // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM

    TADS – he doesn’t need one – he owns the Bank!!

  • 9 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM

    Graeme…if he doesn’t live up to those expectation – and I’ll have to listen to any more excuses this season – I’ll be back on his arse like a horrible rash ;) lol

  • 10 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:11 AM

    Beer…if I have to be sensible about it then of course he’ll stick to the usual suspects (Pardew’s Eleven) and when he needs to direct fire he’ll throw in a wild card to take the blame.

    …last season is was the likes of Benny, Marv and Jonas

    It will be interesting to see who it will be this season :)

  • 11 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    I have a few ideas, but we will have to see if any new players get on his bad side this season.

    All I know is that from my perspective the slate is not clean. He starts were he left off (is it going to be tough on him hopefully)

  • 12 Average_Contents // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    Well by saying the balance of the squad is important and the spirit crucial then contrary to you saying you don’t want to mention them you have haven’t you parsnip….snide little swipe but a swipe none the less isn’t it

    If he didn’t want to comment just say “I’m not going to comment” and do just that, don’t imply anything as you did at the start of your answer!

  • 13 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:20 AM

    I,v a bad feeling that HBA will end up going somewhere like Swansea or Everton or even Southampton and then score a Hatrick against us everytime he comes back?

    Hope my nightmare does,nt come true?

  • 14 Slank // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:27 AM

    NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    You said in an earlier post that you used to (or still do) live in Holland.

    Do you see much of De Jong and Janmaat, and how did you rate them ?

  • 15 Pardews Prolific Boys // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:32 AM

    Jesper, after watching g brokeback mountain last night I find your comments alarming!

  • 16 damma99 // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:33 AM

    Still think the squad is lightweight. Still need a strong defender and a quality striker. The forward line is crap.
    Bunch of unknowns.

  • 17 firebug666 // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:39 AM

    damma99

    How can the forward line be crap if they are a bunch of unknowns?

    Given their relative form last season I would say the forward line has the potential to be great. Looking at them in pre season reinforces that view, as they looked pretty confident.

  • 18 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    ppB…watching Brokeback Mountain is a bit alarming I know :D (just kidding)

  • 19 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    …but do elaborate?

  • 20 Ancientcoptic // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:48 AM

    “the spirit is crucial.” “I don’t want to comment on those players at the moment,”

    Those players were not involved in the dire relegation form the club has been in for the last 21 games.

    If we do not find some form soon, Pardew is going to be found out… if that happens, I just hope it isn’t too late to retain some players he has burned bridges with.

  • 21 firebug666 // Aug 16, 2014 at 10:54 AM

    Ancientcoptic

    The man seems to be untouchable, even if we got relegated I think he would still be here.

    Not that I think we will get relegated, I have a feeling we could have a good season this time around simply because P45DUE will have to produce the results he has promised to get us in the top 6 -8.

    Hopefully we will see some good attacking football this season as the new signings will want to impress the masses.

    Here’s hoping!

    HWTL

  • 22 damma99 // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:15 AM

    Connor Wickham would be a great buy. Big strong showed what he could do at the end of last season. Lives in Newcastle would jump at the chance to come here. Go on Pardump buy him.

  • 23 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:17 AM

    gmorning all,

    another saturday here at work, so i will require everyone to update me on scores today :)

  • 24 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    Catchy from Norway – Village Idiot
    “I’m not sure what the training complexes are like , but I’m pretty sure that in terms if space and how they are kitted out they will be pretty much the same , lots of hi tech equipment , food hmmm food is food, the only difference there can be there is staffing , better chef and coaches”

    Mathieu Debuchy – Premier League Footballer

    “This is another dimension. If you compare the training grounds for example, nothing at Lille or Newcastle can match the Arsenal one. It is another world.”

    “Everything here is made to optimize your preparation and you as a player. So you can be in the best condition to play and win football games.”

  • 25 Pardews Prolific Boys // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    Jesper, you’re gonna be on his a**e like a rash?

  • 26 Sav // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    Clearly club are playing hardball to get Ben Arfa and Guti shifted off the books. But surely, when the transfer window closes there must be an olive branch offered to Ben Arfa to get him back earning his wages. It is a risky strategy because the longer this rumbles on, the worse any goodwill towards the club by the player will deteriorate. Right now we are making life as unpleasant as possible so Ben Arfa’s agent puts in some overtime. I hope Pardew is big enough for a volte face if Ben Arfa is still hanging around come September.

  • 27 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:24 AM

    Dok…do they make you work Saturdays? How rude :D

  • 28 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:25 AM

    ppB…:D lol

    …okay I get it !

  • 29 Sav // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:28 AM

    “We can play with two wide players, we can play two narrow wide midfield players, two strikers, so we have options”
    What is a narrow wide midfielder? Do we have two of them?

  • 30 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    jesper,

    no kidding.. at least its time and a half though… but as i said, by coming in again today, i am ensured tomorrow off to watch the toon kick off…

  • 31 Jail for Ashley // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    Graeme,
    From previous,
    Pardew making a bed for himself to lie with his comments, lie being the key word, when have cameras and recording devices stopped him, if he’s pulled up about it, he denies he said it, twists it or lets Wendy say he can’t answer that one, I think this year despite everyone wanting success, there won’t be too many tears shed if we start watching him squirm.

  • 32 Bambams // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:38 AM

    Wonder…..What would happen if Sunderland came in for Benny on loan in the last few days of the window…..

    Benny might be at odds to go or not but if he really wanted to rub Pardew the wrong way !

  • 33 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    @14:

    Been living across here since i left the RAF in 91.

    SDJ is a good player and rate him okay but he spent most of the last season injured at AJAX last year. When he,s fit and playing well then he can turn a game on his own.
    The trick is keeping him fit and away from any Nigel De Jomg style tackles like HBA did a couple of years back?
    One heavy tackle from some ideoot and SDJ could be out injured for months?
    I did warn or try to warn everyone on here before we signed him but am hoping he will be okay?

    With Janmaat, well i think we,ve signed a class player who is going to get better as time goes on?
    I watched Janmaat playing as a kid in Youth Tournement which Feyenoord won a few years back and if he,s as good now as he was back then then we are on to a winner?

    The only problem i see is that since Cabaye and Debuchy came and went a lot of players are looking at Newcastle and will be coming to use us as a stepping stone to other clubs in the Prem? You know who?

    My local club NEC Nijmegen were relegated last year and are now playing in the Dutch Jupiter League, so th ticket price to watch them is a lot cheaper this year!

  • 34 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:42 AM

    In just six weeks, the expectations of Newcastle fans have seen an absolutely massive shift.

    We polled supporters in the first week of July and asked where they thought United would finish in the Premier League this coming season.

    newcastle fansAt that point, Newcastle had obviously lost Cabaye in the January and there was no sign of Loic Remy returning as a permanent signing.

    Debuchy had not yet left but he had made clear in quotes that he wanted Champions League football and was looking at his future after the World Cup.

    So with De Jong the only signing and no others seemingly on the horizon, fans voted as below.

    We then repeated the exercise yesterday and those results are below on the right.

    Position 5 July 16 August

    Top 4 1% 4%

    Top 6 2% 17%

    Top Half 17% 59%

    Bottom Half 26% 15%

    Bottom 6 29% 4%

    Relegated 25% 1%

    Only six weeks ago, 54% of fans thought Newcastle would be relegated or bottom six at best, now only 5% believe that to be the case.

    That first week in July only one in five (20%) thought the team would end up top ten or better, now that has become four in five (80%).

    Whatever the reality end up being, the transfer activity has convinced most fans that Alan Pardew has the players to at least get top half.

    Starting 4pm on Sunday it is game on…

  • 35 Jail for Ashley // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:45 AM

    I really don’t know how bullet proof Pardy is with Mikey but he is on last chance saloon with the fans, it’s only three months since the Cardiff game and last seasons debacle is fresh in the memory of most, a listless display against city will have him hiding in his dug out, a home defeat against mid table rivals won’t do him any good, and if he loses again against that shower from down the road his life at SJP won’t be worth living.

  • 36 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:48 AM

    Bambams

    I friend of mine (a mackem) was saying that to me weeks ago. How he happily take Benny and Gus could sort him out.

    It doesn’t bare thinking about, imagine the shit we’d have to listen to.

    It would be like your wife leaving for your best mate who lives next door, couldn’t bare it even if I hated em :(

  • 37 Mister Tuff // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:50 AM

    EXCLUSIVE IMAGES.
    Revealing images have been received from the Isle of Man. They feature NUFC Blogger “Manxpie”. Manxpie is seen reading his morning paper – he denies being oblivious to dangerous events happening in the real world and refutes suggestions he is an ignoramus.

    http://img.wikinut.com/img/168553k52kas43vw/jpeg/700×1000/An-Ignoramus-can-end-up-being-a-Fool.jpeg

  • 38 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:54 AM

    Jfa

    I’d agree he’s lost any currency he had with the fans but still think fat mikes not arsed in the slightest.

    He’d happily sit and watch that crap as long as we aren’t slipping out the league.

    Can’t see him paying out for sacking pards and can’t see him paying compo for a new manager .

    If anything another miserable year of under achieving and sack Pardew at end for not hitting targets.

    I can see a full year of Pardew coming no early baths :(

  • 39 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:55 AM

    Just imagine HATEM going to the Mackems?

    I read somewhere that Lyon were willing to take him on loan? Not sure just how true it was though but?

  • 40 Bambams // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:56 AM

    Optimistic prime
    I would have Benny leaving for Sunderland WORSE than my wife moving in next door….

    Lets hope neither happen eh !

  • 41 Transfer Sage // Aug 16, 2014 at 11:58 AM

    Tads

    Whilst I take your point about facilities to me they don’t matter at all, it’s the staff (coaching and playing) that matter and how much they want to succeed.

    A great fact game out during the World Cup that over the last 5 years the FA have spent over 300 million on training facilities and coaching compared to the 5mil in that period by the Costa Rican FA and they outshone us there.

    Facilities can help, otherwise people wouldn’t bother at all, but some clubs and countries have very little money but produce very good players.

  • 42 Transfer Sage // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    Jesper

    I’m of the impression you play your best 11 for the next match…now that doesn’t mean the same 11 every week. It’s means the best available for the upcoming game, need to consider how you want to play, how to exploit the opposition weakness and counter their strength, are the players 100% fit, should you rotate to give somebody needed game time to make sure they are all firing in case somebody misses out

    But mainly rotating players is important so they are all involved, can all play the system and then you don’t need to make drastic changes just because one player is injured

    I’m with you on that point my friend

  • 43 Jail for Ashley // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:01 PM

    OP,
    Totally agree that Mashers isn’t arsed with the football on display and as long as Janmaat and Cabella can be moved on in a year and a half or two for12M+ and we’re not looking like being relegated the cycle will continue, the only thing is though if there are many games like the Cardiff atmosphere could even the shameless Pardew take any more.

  • 44 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    Sage
    It’s not my point mate, it’s a professional footballers
    And yes i have no doubt top coaches help, but to use the facilities as catchy did as a stick to beat Pardew is once again utterly pathetic

    It’s the start of the season, if people can’t get even slightly hyped up then where’s the point?
    Not a fan of Pardew at all but I’d rather see him prove the fans wrong and succeed and have to eat a bit of humble pie than him fail and the club suffer whilst some gloat and others worry about just how long it is before Ashley actually takes action

  • 45 Rotonda heights // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:09 PM

    jail

    he’ll take it for the next 6 years!!

  • 46 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:10 PM

    newpat,

    first.. dont ever joke abou tthat, i puked in my mouth :)

    second… if that happened, and god forbid it did, id change his name to hate’em

  • 47 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:12 PM

    TS,

    well put… im send ing mash an email, informing him you are available to manage as soon as pards effs up (hopefully soon)

  • 48 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    Jfa

    Pardew is a lady’s man or so he thinks.
    And like all lady’s men he’s full of shit and full of himself.

    He probably stood in the mirror after the Cardiff match telling himself the fans couldn’t understand his genius.

  • 49 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:14 PM

    Newex
    If he went to the Mackems he’d soon join the long list of drunk idiots kicking wing mirrors off of cars outside SJP

  • 50 Jail for Ashley // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:15 PM

    tads,
    Although I can’t stand the sound or sight of the man anymore I’d rather he turned it round and kept us in the top six rather than go in to a 20 game slump that might or might not see him replaced but which will ultimately result in our relegation, as I say though even if we are safe-ish in tenth all the way, he’s used every last bit of fans good will, one slip up and things will get very uncomfortable for him.

  • 51 Graeme // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:25 PM

    Jail @ 31 – it couldn’t happen to a nicer, more deserving bloke lol

  • 52 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    Well it all begins again and I can’t wait all the crazy stuff the amounts to the EPL

    The only thing I don’t look foward to is the pundits or commentators talking utter bollox complete nonsense and bigging up their teams of the 80’s.

    Seems to me thease ex pros commentate on their ex teams like there still top of the tree like thirty years ago,

    Phil Thompson Lawro and Charlie Nicholis are the worst for it.

    How about for a change they comment on what happened in the match there watching or reviewing instead of talking about the history of that team!

    Try and be impartial or at least pretend to be!

  • 53 Rotonda heights // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:32 PM

    tads

    ” if people can’t get even slightly hyped up then where’s the point? ”

    I think you answered your own question there. Expectations have been lowered so much.

  • 54 Mister Tuff // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:32 PM

    Optimistic -you could add Martin Keown to that list -he’s another.

  • 55 Slank // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Many thanks for your views on De Jong and Janmaat.

    Your assessment of De Jong has reinforced my views that our weakness is the midfield.

    Fans should forget about getting a centre back. I have a feeling that De Jong may be a passenger for much of the season.

    Without a strong and effective midfield the defence is overly exposed and the forwards are starved of service.

    Priority should be a creative midfield playmaker. We have not replaced Cabaye.

  • 56 jimmysmith // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    The Man U side looks like a pile a shite by the way. Injuries, but still they need to sign a few. Wouldn’t surprise me if they get rolled.

  • 57 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    Slank :

    SDJ will be okay with somebody strong stood alongside him?

    Like you say a strong midfield player which we still basically need actually together with a decent striker?

    If that happens this window? is the burning question?

  • 58 Rotonda heights // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    tads

    I don’t think anyone is gloating at all. I think it’s win win, if AP fails but it isn’t lasting damage ie relegation and the club doesn’t suffer and appoints a PL standard manager.

    On the other hand if AP succeeds in his eyes by reaching 48 points, have we risked or missed much?

  • 59 Rotonda heights // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    jimmysmith

    LVG is on another planet to Moyes and the calibre of manager they should have gone for before appointing Moyes.

  • 60 Big B // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:44 PM

    any links to man u game lads?

  • 61 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:48 PM

    Rotonda
    If you don’t see each and every post by the carnt spell can’t wonder as a willingness for us to lose then after every defeat coming on and celebrating and revelling in a loss as gloating there’s not much more to say!
    As for lowered expectations, couldn’t give two sh1ts what the board has said there not on the pitch
    The players are, and have come and stated they are gunning for Europe, people constantly bleat on that the players are the ones that makes us successful not the manager so on the day before the new campaign try and support the lads because all this repetitive sh1te is as boring as a history of Sunderland DVD

  • 62 Goofy // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:51 PM

    @Big B http://www.footballstreaming.info

  • 63 Pardews Prolific Boys // Aug 16, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    25% of fans thought we’d be relegated? Even at the time that is a ridiculous amount of pessimism

  • 64 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:00 PM

    Tads

    well said pal. That has been my point over the last week with guy’s belting on about hoping we get smashed 8-0 or hoping relegation is a big threat .
    How the hell do we hope to improve as a club if we are constantly looking for the negatives and are almost revelling in these pitfalls just to point there point across.
    As a fan I admit things are not perfect at Nufc, But wanting certain scenarios to happen just because of an agenda against the hierarchy is ludicrous

  • 65 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:06 PM

    Jazzy p

    Was it you asking if I got to many games the other night?

    Man U will still struggle the next year or so!

    Someone stole their mojo their fear factor fergue time and special refs!

    No one is scared of them anymore which won them loads of games by teams sitting back, they bleed now and all the sharks are circling..

  • 66 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:06 PM

    CONFIRMED: Blackpool sign Nile Ranger on a one-year deal #bcfc” oh dear, shows how desperate they are #nufc

  • 67 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:08 PM

    Optimitic
    Afternoon pal…Yes mate it was

  • 68 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:09 PM

    jazzy @ 64,

    was exactly my thoughts when i asked catchy about that, no matter the dislike of owner/mgr, must support the club first

  • 69 stuart no9 // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    TADS — Pards wont succeed. he hasnt the ambition or the knowledge for that . When a manager comes out and says ” historically , over the last 10 years nufc have averaged 48 points , if we reach that , we have had a good season , wheres the ambition in those words ?? . Mid table at very best. , if thats what pards means by success , god help NUFC.

  • 70 stuart no9 // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:13 PM

    jazzyp—— the only way to improve as a club is get rid of this useless speciman of a manager and get some one in who understands what the supporters of this club want , it wont happen before.

  • 71 deeps // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    Swansea lead :D

  • 72 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    Jazzy

    Did reply the other night but a bit later.

    The season we finished 5th and 3 seasons before I sat in Platinum club for all the games.

    Last two I’ve went between platinum club and Gallowgate been to around half the games give or take in last two years. Mess my enjoying going so I went when I felt I could handle it without going ape ;)

    I went to a few heed games l loved it but still not my team.

  • 73 JamesToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:15 PM

    Come on Swansea!

  • 74 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:15 PM

    Doktoon

    I can see where some of the lads are coming from and to an extent there point. But to wish the worst for your team never mind on the eve of a new season is crazy.
    I don’t know about your good self but I am chomping at the bit for tomorrow .
    I think most would take a draw tomorrow and build from there for the season, A heavy loss and this blog will be a horrible place to be tommoz night

  • 75 deeps // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:16 PM

    If man utd doesn’t add any more players..we might have a chance of overtaking them :D

  • 76 expatmag // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:17 PM

    Swansea the better side and should have taken the lead earlier. United look toothless so far.

  • 77 expatmag // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:18 PM

    Tuff

    Are you around?

  • 78 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:20 PM

    Ex pat

    Been trying to catch you for a few days.

    It’s Rebbeca here ;)

    Moved house etc so had to change my name, how you doing?

  • 79 expatmag // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:21 PM

    Jazzy

    The season is a marathon mate. We got tonked 0-4 on the opening day last season but we were pretty well safe by christmas

  • 80 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    Optimistic

    You there tomorrow mate ??. We usually sit in the platinum on row ll owned by Weighman engineering.
    Tomorrow though we are right on the front, pitch side Milburn paddock.
    Am looking forward to seeing how the new players adapt to the Pl. Was especially looking forward to SDj as ive followed a lot of his career at Ajax.
    Janmaat looks an excellent addition as does Cabella. For me Riviere is the most unknown quantity as this is the position that needs to be a hit, With the loss of Remy

  • 81 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    jazzy,

    i said earlier, im actually at work righ tnow, putting in the extra time, so i am def guaranteed to be home watching NUFC in the morning… have my vodka ready, and actually wore my toon hat and scarf to work today, lol…

    yeah, im ready to get the season on… :)

  • 82 expatmag // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    Hello Rebeccca……ahem

    How are you

  • 83 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:23 PM

    i see victor moses just signed a loan deal with stoke…

  • 84 expatmag // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:24 PM

    Dok

    Hat and scarf in Texas???????

  • 85 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:25 PM

    Stuartno9
    I get ya pal I think most on here know where your opinions lie.. Again I agree that change is needed at the club at coach level and Board. But that is not my issue buddy, My issue is wanting the worst for the club which is ludicrous at best

  • 86 expatmag // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:25 PM

    They will be a decent side this year. Made some very good signings

  • 87 Mister Tuff // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM

    expat -will be for a few minutes before starting to put my new walnut floor down.

  • 88 expatmag // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:27 PM

    Half an hour if the season gone and the plastic fans at MU are already getting restless…..lol

  • 89 expatmag // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:29 PM

    Tuff

    Walnut floor?

    Are you going to stand on it or eat it?……..lol

  • 90 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:30 PM

    expat,

    yup, hat and scarf… i may be a yank, but im also stupidly loyal and obsessive compulsive lol

  • 91 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:31 PM

    Expat
    Yeah mate the less said about opening day last season the better lol !!
    But by Christmas there was a lot of Optimism about on here as we were looking good for Europe, But we just collapsed spectacularly to the point where we seemed to be on 40 odd points for months. I think at one point we were 11 points in front of Southampton and dropped off alarmingly the second part of the season.

  • 92 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:31 PM

    scarf isnt actually on, its hanging on the counter :)

  • 93 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:32 PM

    Doktoon

    Nice to see there is somebody else out there that is looking forward to the new season no matter what a rollercoaster it may bring

  • 94 expatmag // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:34 PM

    Jazzy

    It was certainly relegation form but the loss of key players at crucial times and futile tactics lowered confidence to a level where we couldnt buy a point.

    Hopefully that has changed.

    Been impressed with Swansea today so far.

  • 95 Mister Tuff // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    expat – I am following orders from the dragon – she wanted it -I have to confess it should look nice. Once I get the initial boards down and fit around a door frame I should get 95% of it down today. She’s out shopping at the minute so I’d better get cracking before she gets back.

  • 96 Tayls // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    How good does Routledge look though! Think we’ve done ourselves a disservice by letting him go.

  • 97 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    jazzy,

    agreed, no sense slagging off the club when we havent even played a match yet… im always leaning toward the side of optimism :)

    i was actually given a autograpghed shirt from 05-09 by a neighbor whos from gateshead on thursday… he wanted it to go to a good home he said :)

  • 98 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM

    morning mr tuff,

    hows things?

  • 99 expatmag // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:43 PM

    Dok

    He is under Mrs T thumb mate.

    I will need to send him instructions on how to handle the missus…..lol

  • 100 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:48 PM

    Doktoon

    Been watching sky sports soccer Saturday. And agreed with Paul merson’s assessment on Nufc.
    We wont be relegated or fight for the top 4, Hopefully Qualify for Europe. So for me I cant see why we wont have a real go at one of the cups this season.
    Give us as fans something to cheer about and look forward to and a lovely day out at Wembley to boot !!

  • 101 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:54 PM

    Jazzy

    New season new start new players

    What could possibly go wrong

    Even though I moan like f@@k about Pardew the players and Ashley once tomorrow comes I’ve had a few pints I’ll be like a little kid again.

    Ye I’ll be going

  • 102 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:57 PM

    opti,

    only difference between me and you as i have to get up at 6m to start my boozing before the match :)

  • 103 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:59 PM

    Expat

    Good good not sure if I’m happy with the sex change but I’ll see how it goes ;)

  • 104 deeps // Aug 16, 2014 at 1:59 PM

    United looking a different side already :O

  • 105 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:06 PM

    Dok

    Haha I’ve done that before.

    Early morning drinking, not for the faint hearted ;)

  • 106 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:09 PM

    How many chances is Nile Ranger going to get?

  • 107 Gallowgate82 // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:11 PM

    In my opinion our defence is very weak in central positions and there is a lack of creativity from central midfield up front we are looking better but I think the players we have signed are lightweight and will need 12 months to adjust to the premier league I think for all the positivity spouted by Pardew and felt by our fans I still think it will be a hard season and I think we will finish outside the top ten. Cabella will create around the box but when you need to exploit the pace of rivière from deep positions then a cabaye type player is still needed. Unfortunately I think rivière will be bullied out of most games due to the fact that he won’t have that long through ball to run on to. My prediction is that we will struggle this season and that’s not me being negative I’m just looking at it realistically. If we are to move on as a club though then the likes of Ben arfa and Jonas need to move out!!

  • 108 deeps // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:16 PM

    Swansea lead lol

  • 109 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:18 PM

    Optimistic

    While ever there are desperate mugs out there to take this Guy on board im afraid. As a youngster he had all the attributes to become a top drawer player especially at U18 level.
    Sadly mate I think the fame and money thrust at this young lad went to his head and hence blew his career

  • 110 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:20 PM

    opti,

    espescially in houston, but my neigrbors have grown used to me and my son singing in the backyard at 6am before matches lol..

  • 111 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:20 PM

    Jazzyp

    I had the miss fortune of meeting this Soldier (his words) on numerous occasions. My mate used to tatoo him for a few years, total knacker and the money wasn’t the problem!

  • 112 Average_Contents // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:22 PM

    Jazzyp

    I always remember when he played against arsenal in the 4-4 draw and he looked like a beast and bullied them like Carroll used to for us and I thought he looks the biz, after that he was tripe with an attitude to match….what a knobber!

  • 113 Average_Contents // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:23 PM

    Oh Jeff how I’ve missed your voice lol ;-)

  • 114 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:26 PM

    Gomis looking champ already…..what a penny pinching blunder yet again….

  • 115 Tayls // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:29 PM

    Gomis looks quality

  • 116 Average_Contents // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:30 PM

    Richard “saggy brown vinegar boobs own goal” dunne, Rio “my legs have gone wonky mouth” Ferdinand both start for QPR as part of a back 3….wet dream for any forward line lmfao! :-D

  • 117 jazzyp // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:32 PM

    Optimistic

    Always interesting to hear a balanced opinion when somebody has actually met the guy in person. How did he come across to you ??. A wasted talent imo, Sir Shearer aka “GOD” must have seen something in him as he was subsequently awarded a new contract

    AC

    A fair assessment by Jeff and the lads on Newcastle do you think ??

  • 118 Blubber tits // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:35 PM

    Gomis who 90% on here were trashing looking good and custom made for the prem, just as I thought. Played better than Bony and only been on a fraction of the time. Probably wouldn’t have swerved him if he were a few years younger.

  • 119 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:36 PM

    great start to the season, manure going down!! the plastics deserve it…

  • 120 Average_Contents // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:38 PM

    Jazzyp

    Never seen it mate I was too busy ushering the wife and kids out of the house to her mum’s lol I started watching around the charlie Austin bit….he seems like a down to earth lad who I think is gonna get goals in the prem….him and remy might just keep them up but I hope not :-D

    Oh yes the premiership is back

  • 121 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:40 PM

    Swansea :D what a ripper aahahahah….. love this hoe

    “result should be taken with a pinch of salt”

    hope they get thrashed even more so if that is possible….

  • 122 Toon Tang // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM

    I’d missed that sound of 70 odd thousand manutd fans crying hahahaha

    Its good to be back…

  • 123 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:42 PM

    Blubber

    for sure perfect build and type of player…… can’t believe we didnt sign him…pathetic….now we don’t have a number 9 up front just great…

  • 124 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:45 PM

    Jazzy

    I first met him when he first got here playing in the reserves. I’d dropped into see my mate and Ranger was sat there my mates not into football or out so he asked me if I knew who he was.

    When I said I’d seen him play a cpl times Rangers eyes lit up, before then he’d been quite sheepish. Didn’t have much to say for himself really quizzed him about football a bit but he wasn’t really interested prefers to talk about bitches and gangster rap (his words again)

    Over the next cpl years he’d go to get tattoed dragging different hangers on girls etc with. Turning up with huge bags of McDonald’s and cans of monster to eat while talking utter shite with his boys.

    I gave up bothering with him after talking to him to or three times. One of the last time I saw him 3 or 4 years ago in the shop with his crew I said to him

    “wtf happened to you? You got here with promise now you run round like your from the Bronx!”

    He said “I’m a soldier man a soldier f** k you what do you know”

    Well I’m ex forces and that boiled my piss I went to grab him and my mate got hold of me first. He started going somewhere else after that lol

    But he’s a tool if he wasn’t a footballer he’s be stabbing granny’s and selling smack and I thinks he wants that life!

  • 125 terencelim // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    Typical Manure, can’t beat a team when PGMO is not helping them. I hope Alex Ferguson is arrested and investigated for the sin he has done to football industry.

  • 126 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    Jazzy p

    I’ve just replied but it didn’t turn up lol

    I’ll wait before writing it again it might just appear ;)

  • 127 Blubber tits // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:49 PM

    Mike Dean inexplicably managing to eek out another 2 minutes in hope of allowing Manure to score – game is corrupt to the core. Good job Manure are just that these days and couldn’t take advantage. How the mighty have falgen. So pleasing to see entitled manchildren sulking a stropping :lol:

  • 128 Graeme // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:53 PM

    Stoke take Victor Moses on a season long loan!!

  • 129 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:53 PM

    quality to see manure bottom of the table, for a few hours at least lol

  • 130 stuart no9 // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:55 PM

    so, Swansea go top , us in 12th , and man u bottom. any chance it will stay like that ???hahah

  • 131 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM

    That Man U side is nothing special hasn’t been for a cpl years.

    If I was a Man U fan I’d be asking why Ferguson left the squad stocked with such medioca a players.

    The squad is full of players like Smalling, Jones, Welbeck and other not that great players with RVP their best player by far,

    Fergies last title was down to citeh and Chelsea being dink RVP being brilliant and Rooney having a decent year also the Fergies last year factor so he dragged a poor side to the title.

    The writing was on the wall then, they’ve lost their fear factor, in reality that squad can’t challenge for the title and needs completely rebuilt or masses of money thrown at it.

    But it’s nice to see Man U fans having to support a regular team like everyone else.

  • 132 JamesToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 2:59 PM

    i’m having so much fun winding up my mates who are man u fans, why can’t they take banter?

  • 133 deeps // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:00 PM

    Would love to see Everton and spurs dropping points today ;-)

  • 134 JackButler // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:00 PM

    A new season and already Utd get an additional three minutes of extra time, some things never change.

    Well done Swansea

  • 135 Sliema // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:03 PM

    We should be competing with Manure this season. But with a moron in charge we’ll come up well short of that.

  • 136 Average_Contents // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    Jamestoon

    Because their not used to it but they better be quick learners lol

    Mine are the same they fcuking hate it and like optimus said they simply will not blame fergie for leaving a shitty average squad because they love him….blinkered or what!

  • 137 Mister Tuff // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    dok toon – afternoon -hows things. Busy at home doing diy stuff.

  • 138 JackButler // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:05 PM

    Sunderland 1-0 up Cattermole :(

  • 139 Average_Contents // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:05 PM

    Fcuking clattermole?

  • 140 midweek weekend // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:06 PM

    right, mike dean what the f**k was that, basically 6 minutes added time, honestly there’s something seriously wrong with the officials in this country corrupt comes to mind, its a disgrace yes man u are losing so what 4 minutes has been played blow the f**king whistle joke, makes my blood boil, no team i enjoy see losing more than united, they are assimilating into a ”normal” team and im loving it!

  • 141 Average_Contents // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:06 PM

    Been all west Brom too….fcukers lol

  • 142 JamesToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:06 PM

    AC its so annoying but funny, they’re getting so mad and throwing so much abuse at me lol

  • 143 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:06 PM

    SMB 1 0

  • 144 midweek weekend // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    right, mike dean what the f@$% was that, basically 6 minutes added time, honestly there’s something seriously wrong with the officials in this country corrupt comes to mind, its a disgrace yes man u are losing so what 4 minutes has been played blow the %$£@ing whistle joke, makes my blood boil, no team i enjoy see losing more than united, they are assimilating into a ”normal” team and im loving it!

  • 145 Ron Knee // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:14 PM

    Christ! We’re already in 17th place.

  • 146 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:17 PM

    Ron

    I but our defencive record is class!

  • 147 deeps // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:18 PM

    Leiscter city playing well..hope they pull off an upset

  • 148 Ron Knee // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:18 PM

    P45 will soon put that right.

  • 149 deeps // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:19 PM

    Would be a perfect day for us..if everton spurs and man United all end up losing

  • 150 stuart no9 // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:20 PM

    down to 17th place already .– i’ll be happy for the season to end today .

  • 151 deeps // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:22 PM

    Everton lead 1-0..Mcgeady scores

  • 152 deeps // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:24 PM

    Lesicter equalises.. :D

  • 153 Ron Knee // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:24 PM

    Deeps
    It would mean a win for Allardyce, though.

  • 154 deeps // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:25 PM

    Meanwhile eric dier making too many mistakes @spurs

  • 155 JackButler // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:25 PM

    I hope people are not expecting us to be fighting it out with Man Utd this season!!!

  • 156 Rotonda heights // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:26 PM

    i love watching everton have to admit, always positive , always go out to win, not just avoid losing.

    Spurs will be good on the eye too with Pochetinno

  • 157 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:28 PM

    I thin one lad to watch out for is Ayoze Perez

  • 158 JackButler // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:29 PM

    Spuds down to 10 men and conceded a pen

  • 159 JackButler // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:30 PM

    Haha Nolan missed his pen, didn’t even hit the target

  • 160 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:32 PM

    Sell that Darlow kid he’s let two in already ;)

  • 161 Graeme // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:35 PM

    Spuds down to 10 men – that didn’t take them long then lol

  • 162 deeps // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:35 PM

    Qpr completely dominant against hull so far :o

  • 163 toon kk // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:36 PM

    Stuart
    we’ll be bottom come tomorrow night after our thumping off City, but to be expected I suppose.

  • 164 deeps // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    Meanwhile fulham losing again lol

  • 165 Blubber tits // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:39 PM

    Hull had the first 15, but it’s been all QPR since. Remy looking sharp and a cut above anyone else on the park.

  • 166 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:40 PM

    Sounds like it’s all west brom against blunder land

  • 167 optimistic prime // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:41 PM

    Pen West Brom

    1 1

    Deserved

  • 168 JackButler // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:42 PM

    West Brom equalise

  • 169 toon kk // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:42 PM

    Penalty at west brom 1-1

  • 170 Average_Contents // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:42 PM

    1-1 Brom penalty

  • 171 deeps // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    West brom equalises :D

  • 172 Average_Contents // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    JB

    It was noble mate :-D

  • 173 Ron Knee // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:44 PM

    Come on the Albion!

  • 174 Blubber tits // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:44 PM

    Alex Bruce is a prime example of nepotism.

  • 175 Average_Contents // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:44 PM

    1-2 Everton

  • 176 toon kk // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:45 PM

    Everton 2-1 up

  • 177 deeps // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:45 PM

    Everton lead 2-1

  • 178 JackButler // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:46 PM

    Average_Contents

    Thought he said Nolan :D

    either way they missed it :D

  • 179 JackButler // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:48 PM

    You gotta laugh at the sunderland fans as they are STILL singing about Cabaye. There are two things in life they are obsessed with – NUFC and their sisters

  • 180 JamesToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:49 PM

    christ WBA absolutely dominated the SMBs in the first half

  • 181 DokToon // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:50 PM

    dammit JB,

    spit my coffee at that!

  • 182 JackButler // Aug 16, 2014 at 3:51 PM

    DokToon

    Sorry mate, but you know it’s true ;)

  • 183 dcdick // Aug 16, 2014 at 4:03 PM

    Just looked at the prem league table …………guess who is bottom of the pile /

    MAN UNITED………he, he, he, won’t last of course, but doesn’t it just make your day a little brighter :)

    And, no I haven’t forgotten………….

    Pardew Out !!!

  • 184 Jeff from Benwell // Aug 16, 2014 at 6:17 PM

    deBuchyhadagoodviewofthepalacegoalfrenchcnut




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