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Some New Newcastle Players Simply Trying Too Hard

5:47 pm, Saturday, August 23rd, 2014 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 258 Comments

It was a second successive game in which Newcastle looked a little toothless up front, but it was the second game in succession in which Newcastle controlled the second half, but we just couldn’t score.

mike williamson red card

Mike Williamson – receiving his red card

With tow minutes to go in the game substitute Siem de Jong had a good chance to win the game for Newcastle but his shot was well saved by American goalkeeper Brad Guzan.

As if that wasn’t bad enough, Mike Williamson picked up his second yellow card of the game and was sent off and now will miss the game next Saturday at home to Crystal Palace, and there will be some pressure on Newcastle to win that game.

This is what Alan Pardew told Sky Sports after the game:

“I think a lot of the new offensive players are trying so hard and sometimes that isn’t the way to score goals.” “You need to have that super confidence.”

“We know we need to get some goals and hopefully at Gillingham on Tuesday, we can get a couple before we play Crystal Palace on Saturday, and get that one off us.”

“Obviously the last third today was not so good. I think a lot of the new offensive players are trying so hard and sometimes that isn’t the way to score goals.”

“But there was a lot of good play and a lot of good movement.” “I felt sorry for Willo, because I thought he was terrific in his distribution today and then he gets sent off.”

“Overall, to come to Villa and control the second half like we did, I’m pleased.”

Newcastle have played quite well in the first two games of the season, but there is disappointment we have picked up only one point, especially in a season when it’s very important we get off to a good start, after what happened earlier this year in the league.

Of course wins at Gillingham in the Capital One Cup on Tuesday night, and a home win next Saturday against Crystal Palace will soon raise the spirits on Tyneside.

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258 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 5:49 PM

    In our last 10 competitive games we’ve scored 4 goals. Three of them were against a same day relegated Cardiff side who were appalling.
    Highlighting zero goals in our first two games isn’t being unlucky. It is the norm

  • 2 Thump // Aug 23, 2014 at 5:49 PM

    “terrific in his distribution”

    Aye, well when players are told to hoof it, they’ll do that.

  • 3 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 5:49 PM

    On the list of poor excuses “Players trying too hard” is rather poor in all honesty.

    If we dominated the second half the way he claims then why not try two strikers instead of subbing one for the other?

  • 4 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 5:51 PM

    The rest of that quote by Pardew is laughable, shoulda put full lot on ed!

  • 5 Thump // Aug 23, 2014 at 5:52 PM

    ffs man, JackButler. Do one with your talk of ‘tactics’ and ‘sense’.

  • 6 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 5:53 PM


    Sorry mate, I’ll just slope off shall I 🙁

  • 7 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 5:54 PM

    The Gunners are getting torn apart at Everton

  • 8 Thump // Aug 23, 2014 at 5:54 PM

    Everybody knows the way to win a match is to have 11 players out of position and all of them set to defend. The less goals you concede, the more goals you win.

    (joking aside, I honestly wonder if this is how Pardew thinks)

  • 9 toon kk // Aug 23, 2014 at 5:55 PM

    Watching Everton v ars, eve 1-0 up they’re streets ahead u us.

  • 10 toonking // Aug 23, 2014 at 5:55 PM


    i think signing a striker on loan could be the best thing we ask for. i want a top striker signed permanently but if this FCB doesn’t insist on spending 15-20 on a quality striker we might as well just bring in a loan signing because atleast that will provide us with the striker we all want and unless it also has a clause stating permission to buy for a price, then we drop him onto the bench when cisse returns to full fittness.

  • 11 catchy in norway // Aug 23, 2014 at 5:57 PM


    let’s face it the HBA situation is Pardews fault , if he is fit enough and not injured he should have been in the team ,

    your taking Pardews word about the whole HBA situation , well this is a fact , towards the end of last season , pardew said he did he could not pick HBA because he was injured , HBA held a press conference to announce he was fit,
    HBA is banished,
    the fact that pardew prefers saylor to mym is the reason mym was not there today,

    the fact that tiote is up for sale is the reason he is not playing, if he is not sold in time, he will suddenly become fit, the same way mym will be on the bench next week and will probably even play in the cup game

    what did you want from me, a full report on how each should play for 90 mins

    I picked the team which was 442, and said they should play higher up the pitch, it’s in black and white for all to see

    the only thing you could have picked me up on was I had sissoko in for collback which I changed in minutes,

  • 12 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 5:57 PM


    Just looking at our squad and we already have four first team strikers, can you see us carrying five? as the only one who could be shipped out is out injured until mid-October

  • 13 stuart no9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 5:58 PM

    we wernt great, villa were worse. surprised how bad they were . a simple summimg up—— we must improve , and quick in the last 3rd. 3 chances – 3 miskicks, what waws willo doing , he is no alan shearer, he simply forgot he has a head, that would have won us a game that neither side deserved . Something is missing . is it confidence , composure , belief ?? i dont know but whatever it is , we need it, Palace next week is a cruncher , no goals next week could spell trouble for pards .

  • 14 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 5:59 PM


    How do you know that the HBA situation is Pardew’s fault?

    I’m not fan of our manager but the fact is that HBA has been a nightmare at every clubs he’s played for

  • 15 bladeuser // Aug 23, 2014 at 5:59 PM

    Watching a football match where both teams r trying to score what a weird plan there respective managers must have telling there players to go out and try to score surely this is not football as the match i watched earlier that was not the plan seriously even everton r miles ahead of us never mind the top six

  • 16 davetoon // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:01 PM

    all i was getting at in previous comments is that the fans and ashley are living like an estranged couple that arent going to part because of the kids.

    Thats why I got to thinking is there some olive branch that could be made between the 2 parties to get back to where we were when Ashley bought the club and was wearing Alan Smith’s shirt and necking beers with the fans.

    That may be a step too far for now but there must be some middle ground… I see the olive branch as Ashley spending big on a big name striker and also addressing in a public forum after the good news

    We can all dream

  • 17 Thump // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:02 PM

    @JackButler: Almost every time Arfa played for us (in the last 10 minutes, when we’re 1-0 down, of course) Pardew slated him, saying that he should have been defending more. I think he lost Arfa’s respect and that’s what has caused it. HBA wasn’t the only one to question Pardew’s tactics in that dressing room blowout, if reports are to be believed, Cabaye and Colo had a go at him too. It might be six of one and half a dozen of the other, but we can all agree that Pardew shot first (may change depending on the release of the directors cut)

  • 18 toonking // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:03 PM

    team for league cup game

    _________colback (C)__anita

    this might seem like a weakened team but the main players i dropped are those who look the weakest. also maybe if these threats up front do great and score goals it can remind them who usually start games to start getting threats and scoring.

    bad management from pardew is one thing but if it’s so easy for a player to get himself on the starting 11 then he too can make life easy for himself michel owen ring any bells.

  • 19 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:08 PM


    HBA has always been a hard one to control and his fallout with Pardew is not surprising as he’s fallen out with just about every manager he’s played for, but people laying 100% of the blame at Pardew’s door when they base it on half-truth and third hand rumours is clutching at straw’s tbh.

    It is amazing that the way he’s thought of by some fans that there are no agents busting down the doors to end his nightmare under Pardew, or maybe he’s not all he’s made out to be???

  • 20 gazzaforever // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:09 PM

    What a crap lineup, Toonking , not that I m surprised. Anita is average at best, Obertan is pooh, etc… pardew would be proud of , mate.

  • 21 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:10 PM

    …and a coach that doesn’t try enough 😉 lol

  • 22 davetoon // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:10 PM

    @catchy interested in your thoughts. do you think there is a way back for Ashley and the fans… Do you see common ground or do we have to go on with this sh!t for another 10 years?

  • 23 gazzaforever // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:11 PM

    Jack Butler, I think it doesnt matter anymore who s fault is it, it s time to put Benny back in the team. Hes our best player and he s fit. Gouffran and Obertan are subs material at best.

  • 24 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:12 PM

    Sick of Seein our striker being iscolated up front and think we need to go back to 4-3-3 if we want to “frettn” the goal :

    ——Sissoko——De Jong——Colback——


  • 25 toonking // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:13 PM

    the thing about these striker we have got are they are not ones that will guarentee us those important goals.
    perez-the best hope of them all but he is still a very young one
    facundo-he might be ours but is actually only on a season long loan so why waste those wages on him rather than providing them to a quality striker.
    rivere- well he is 24 but looking at his stats he doesn’t look the player with goals in him 17 in 77 4 in 44 and 14 in 44 not the type i see lots of goals in plus this is a much harder league than those of his past.
    armstrong- again a very young one
    cisse well he is injured

  • 26 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:14 PM


    Putting HBA back in the side will not solve our problems as they are far bigger than what one player could solve. Plus it will never happen as Pardew will never allow HBA to play his natural game and HBA will never buy into Pardew’s game plan

  • 27 stuart no9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:14 PM

    in a good side with a good manager HBA woulnt have to defend,, he would simply be played in the position he was bought for and cause havoc. Pardew shouldnt have bought him , he is obviously not made for a defensive team with a defensive manager. I hope HBA stays coz i still think he has a future here when pardew eventually gets the boot back to the smoke . Another manager coming in would accomadate him with pleasure.

  • 28 toonking // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:15 PM

    siem de jong is a number 10 mate not a CM

  • 29 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:15 PM

    Jack, if someone was buying into Pardew’s game plan, it could also be deemed as a scam.

    Lovely by Everton there.

  • 30 bladeuser // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:15 PM

    Sell hba or play him or his contract will run down this year and we will get nothing its simple but not to an air head like pardum

  • 31 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:16 PM

    Offside mind.

  • 32 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:16 PM

    Well for three years Pardew has spent four days of the week defencive training.

    How long until he tries something else?

    I talk to other fans of other teams all the time and when they talk about Pardew they laugh or smirk and the commen things they all say is, what did you’s do to deserve him or he’s crap etc.

    I’ve never heard any fan of any other team say anything positive about him or his football most think he’s a argonaut pr1ck and want rid of him and he doesn’t manage their team.

    I’ve even had mackems say they feel sorry for us with Pardew and Ashley in charge.

    If our nearest and bitterest rivals feel sorry for us what hope is there?

    They can’t be bothered to laugh or take the p cos they see how bad things are.

  • 33 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:16 PM


    The point is that the club are simply not going to offload a striker that they’ve just brought into the club are they!

  • 34 bladeuser // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:17 PM

    2-0 everton players and manager know what they r doing

  • 35 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:17 PM

    Laurent Robert 32

    Agree mate, but he’s here long term and HBA is the only one who’s gonna lose that fight

  • 36 Thump // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:18 PM

    @JackButler: Like I said, six of one, half a dozen of the other. I think part of the reason people are up in arms about HBA vs. Pardew is what it represents.

    We have Ben Arfa who represents everything we love in a player – quick, unpredictable, and capable of producing moments of genius from nowhere all while making it look easy, and then we have Pardew who will freeze hell over the day he tells the truth and lets himself be honest.

    So, boiling it all down we don’t have two egos clashing, we have a fight between boring (Pardew) and exciting (HBA).

  • 37 Mickalonius // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:19 PM

    HBA – I think I must be wrong about him, HE IS A world beater, that’s why we have clubs queuing up to sign him…. Except…. Their seems to be very little interest even though he is last year of his contract. I wonder why ?

  • 38 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:19 PM

    Thought the reff had a decent game but if Willo gets sent off then N’zogbia should have walked as well .

  • 39 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:20 PM


    Agree mate and there’s only ever gonna be one winner 🙁

  • 40 welshgeordie9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:20 PM


    Well they didn’t win last week

  • 41 davetoon // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:20 PM

    for fans that think the HBA slight is personal, see what Pardew thought of HBA before the start of last season

  • 42 JamesToon // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:21 PM

    Roberto Martinez gonna be the next barca manager, but i hope he replaces Woy as england manager

  • 43 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:21 PM

    I would rather have HBA on the right doing his all to try and win us game then Gouffran who was the invisible man today .

  • 44 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:23 PM

    Jack, yes, Hatem even said as much that there’s only one winner in that battle.

    Plus, he also said this:

    “He needs to give me more confidence to build my best game because, at the moment, I don’t have that.”

    Man management and tactical awareness needed.

  • 45 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:23 PM

    I’d like to see HBA as manager and Pardew training with the reserves.

    Couldn’t Benny worse 😉

  • 46 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:23 PM

    Oh and if HBA went down the way Cabella did today holding his face like he had been shot while Villa broke some on here would have a field day .

    Jus remember lads, it was Hatem’s fault we lost 14 out of 19 games last year, despite being nowhere near the first team 😉 .

  • 47 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:24 PM

    Laurent Robert 32

    I’ve said for a while that we are three players and one manager away from being a very good side, unfortunately though by the time this window closes we’ll be five players and one manager away from being a very good side

  • 48 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:25 PM

    @ King

    Just because you’re a number 10 doesn’t mean you can’t play 4-3-3 m8.

    James Rodriguez plays behind Bale, Benzema & Ronlado and he is a number 10 .

    As for playing players out of position, you do know Pardew is our manager right ? .

  • 49 toonking // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:26 PM


    the fact they have sold suaez and also want him to have a no bad behaviour or total refund in balletelli’s clause proves it.

    even a great manager called brendon rodgers could not stop a player from acting stupid

    rooney is sometimes a trouble maker and sir alex ferguson couldn’t stop him.

  • 50 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:28 PM

    Anyone print t shirts?

    Design a t shirt with

    Mike Ashley

    S.o. D.issapointing

    So disappointing should be in black white but made to look like Sports Direct logo and give everyone in toon one!

  • 51 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:29 PM

    JB…for once I actually think the coach might not make it long term!

    …if he keeps this up he might not make it to Christmas 😉

  • 52 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:29 PM


    Rodgers couldn’t stop Suarez from acting stupid but what he did do was get him to put in player of the season performances, just like Fergie has done with Rooney

  • 53 toonking // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:30 PM

    the fact is mate you have put a number 10 in the position that is going to be protect our CBs mate because these are weak don’t forget.

    so if you moan about a manager playing players out of position then you should can’t be doing it yourself.

    so your 4-3-3 should be this


  • 54 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:30 PM


    If he can survive last season results and headbutting an opposing player, you can pretty much say he’s one of the safest managers in the game 🙁

  • 55 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:31 PM

    A striker like Remy is the difference between top 10 comfortably and a possibility of Europe, or mid table and the outside chance of relegation .

  • 56 toonking // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:31 PM

    i’m trying to back your point here mate or do you actually take back what you said then and agree with LR and the rest about HBA being ruin by parew 100%?

  • 57 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:32 PM

    JB…I agree and until now I didn’t think he could get canned, but I actually believe Mr. Tubbs wants more than excuses this season 😀

  • 58 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:32 PM

    Dave, Pinocchio is talking nonsense again because many times he hasn’t played him or has scapegoated him. He’s had plenty of time to play him in many matches. Not only to play him, but play him to his strengths.

    Pardew’s playing on the fact that there could be improvement in performances with the anticipation of a player being involved who isn’t there. He’s good at doing that. Hype with no substance.

    He told us we needed goals against Liverpool (telling people what they want to hear) the other year as well. He left Hatem and Gouffran on the bench, packs the midfield with DMs and we lose 0-6.

    Tells us Hatem is injured. More propaganda. Hatem tells us he’s fit and watching at home.

    That’s why his wooden nose is getting longer and longer.

  • 59 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:33 PM

    ..and I don’t think the coach can deliver any else than excuses!

  • 60 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:34 PM

    Jack butler

    I’d agree with that, I’d go as far to say if there was a nuclear along with cockroaches Pardew would also survive that.

    After his antics of last cpl years he has the safest job in football and knows it, just like our starting 11 know there places are safe no matter how they perform.

  • 61 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:34 PM

    Jack, I totally agree with the 3 players (of Siem, Cabella and Janmaat quality) and a good manager theory.

  • 62 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:36 PM

    @ king

    I would use that 4-3-3 as a counter attacking side with Sissoko, Cabella, HBA & Rivierre breaking with serious pace .

    In that formation you sit back and don’t necessarily need to protect the Centre back’s as much .

    West Brom away (first half) in the 5th place season is the perfect example of that team working brilliantly and had us 3-0 up within half an hour .

  • 63 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:36 PM


    No mate I don’t, I just think that as the manager Pardew has to find a way of getting the best out of HBA or simply ship him out and HBA has to ensure top class performances when he’s played to justify his place in the team/squad.

    Pardew’s biggest failing his he’s short sighted and pig headed when it comes to certain players, the best thing would be for one of them to leave so this constant debate would simply go away

  • 64 isleofmanman // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:38 PM

    It cost me good cash to travel and watch the City game – where we were the only Premier League team NOT to have a shot on target that day. I knew what the Villa game would produce. No goals. None in 3 hours of play. Zip.

    The reason? Because Pardew has been appointed to his own level of incomptence. This is nothing new. He’s woeful. And now the players he manages, controls, motivates, teaches and whose method of play he has full responsibily for ‘are trying too hard’ !!! Oh dear

    The man is an complete buffoon

  • 65 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:38 PM


    i hope you are right mate as I can’t see Pardew taking us anywhere above tenth

  • 66 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:39 PM

    Im gonna throw this out there
    I don’t give a flying f** k who’s at fault for the Benny situation and have no idea why that was Catchy’s reply!

    I asked him who he would play today, out of the available squad
    He put HBA MYM and SDJ in the starting line up

    MYM is injured, him saying Pardew prefers Taylor is theory not fact
    HBA, regardless of fault, has not kicked a ball in the PL since Southampton and hasn’t trained with the first team since then either so there is no way he can be match fit to the standard required of the PL
    SDJ was injured and has had one week of full training, no doubt he should of come in at half time but no way can any if us say he was fit enough to start

    The original point had naff all to do with Pardew or Benny!

  • 67 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:40 PM

    Toonking, the same Rooney who got a whopping new contract and Balotelli who Rodgers wants in regardless of ‘bad boy’ image?

    Again, Souness got rid of Bellamy for telling us he was a ‘bad apple’ blah blah. Sir Bobby sees his positives and blends him effectively into the team.

    Robert Lee was banished to the reserves as well by Gullit (for his links with Shearer) Sir Bobby re-integrates him immediately.

    Quality managers find a way.

  • 68 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:40 PM

    Another feather in Pardew’s cap :

    Alan Pardew’s @NUFC have scored less goals in 2014 than any other club in English league football

  • 69 toonking // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:40 PM

    my guess is your all old men with walking sticks now and as you won’t be alive much longer it’s no wonder you want instant success.

    well you had your chance but kevin keegan blew it, you got what you wanted and either accept that entertaining era as though it was a trophy or blame kevin keegan.

    as for myself well i will just keep waiting for a new manager

  • 70 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:41 PM


    When has a reply from Catchy ever had anything to do with the reality?

  • 71 WWSBRD // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:43 PM

    MYM is also terrible 😉

  • 72 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:44 PM


    I’m not a fan of this 4231 formation and I’d play a variation of your 433 with different players for home or away and maybe when big boys are in town.

    433 has to be the easiest way to get your players on the pitch If you want to defend or attack.

    And if we play same formation all the time maybe players would get used to it, then maybe get reserves to play the same way then maybe just maybe we’d get players coming through who don’t look lost when they get a shot in 1st team.

    We need a identity or style of play as a club and we need a manager and coaches who can impliment it from the youth team to first team.

  • 73 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:45 PM

    Toonking, it may not be 100% Pardew in Hatem’s case. That’s not my argument. Hatem doesn’t help himself. It is mostly Pardew 😉

    If Hatem has blatantly told Pardew that his tactics are crap he needs a double high five and a pat on the back as well.

    Not every player is easy to deal with, but great managers still get the best out of them. Banishing them is an easy and unskilled route sometimes.

  • 74 toonking // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:46 PM

    because until this fcuken owner is out it will not fcuken happen.

    fcuk HBA fcuk pardew fcuk boring football fcuk players playing out of position.

    infact fcuk every else just p1ss of this fat fcuken bastard.

  • 75 Shadow_Shearer // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:50 PM

    Pardew is quick to say some players tried to hard. He didn’t mention some players didn’t try hard enough

  • 76 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:51 PM

    Toonking, Kevin may have blown a trophy and a medal which will gather dust, but everyone saw a selection of fine and dazzling attacking football and that is what I go to see. The beauty of football, not a medal on a player’s wall.

    In that respect, Kevin provided years of entertainment and I will always be very thankful to him.

  • 77 Mag52 // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:53 PM

    Oh my G-d,

    Two games into the season and the hankies are out in force.
    A home game against the champions that very few expected us to get anything out of and a point away at Villa after dominating the possession, denying them a shot on target and failing to score from 3 very good chances.
    We need a goal scorer up front, but that’s common knowledge.
    Ffs at least wait till the transfer window’s over before you all commit collective hari-kiri.

  • 78 davetoon // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:53 PM

    @LR32 was that a response to my post or just a rant?

    I posted an article from when Pardew was HBA’s biggest fan

  • 79 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:55 PM


    We’ve signed nine players and still look as bad as we did last season!

    Reason – Same lame arse tactic’s and overly defensive mindset of the manager

  • 80 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:57 PM

    Dave, I put your name at the start because, yes, it was in response to that article.

    Pardew is full of nonsense. He first has to play him for to be anything near his biggest fan. Even back then.

  • 81 Markaccus // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:58 PM

    Ok. Quick visit… and one question before i judge things, i did not see much of the game

    Can someone tell me if we played attacking football today? I would prefer someone to answer who is not a hater of pardew, amd also not from a pardew PR assistant. Just the basic truth please.

  • 82 Bambams // Aug 23, 2014 at 6:59 PM

    Big Papa Cisse
    I have no doubt you will have checked your facts. If this is accurate, along with the dire football, the headbutt and some of the players not questioning Pardews tactics. …..

    How the hell is he still in a job.

    Put my neck on the line here. But I think unless we are in 10th or above by Christmas Ash ……

    No he wont, he wont sack him – he would of done it by now. Stuck with him.


  • 83 welshgeordie9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:02 PM

    To all the muppets moaning about how we didn’t score today or had any shots on target last week, arsenal tonight have only got one shot on target so far, does that mean they are going to struggle this season.

  • 84 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:03 PM

    @ Mark

    We did for about 10 minutes in the second half m8 and looked pretty decent .

    The rest was pretty much us in control, passing the ball along the back four but not doing much with it as Villa were sitting back waiting to counter attack like they usually do .

    The same problem as always was our striker was totally isolated and Rivierre only had one half chance when put in by Cabella in the first half .

  • 85 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:05 PM

    @ Welsh

    Those are two different extremes that bare no resemblance whatsoever .

    The difference is Arsenal nearly won the league last year and we lost 14 games out of 19 at one point .

  • 86 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:05 PM


    The big difference is that Wenger will rectify the problem at Arsenal while Pardew has no idea how to rectify it here

  • 87 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:06 PM

    Welsh, Arsenal haven’t only scored 4 goals in the last 10 games.

    The argument is over more than just one game.

  • 88 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:07 PM

    Everton 2-0 up and they’re still going forward for more. That is positive. Well done to Martinez.

  • 89 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:07 PM

    Arsenal not having a shot on goal is a one off, NUFC not having a shot on goal is alarmingly familiar

  • 90 Markaccus // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:07 PM


    cheers mate

    In which case i am disappointed. We should have beaten a team like villa. We should not be sitting back against them

  • 91 toonking // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:08 PM

    well you can enjoy them and consider them a trophy era as much as you like but football has changed.

    passion and pride have become rare.

    15 million is now the price for the overage striker not the world class strikers.

    premier league games are what the main focus is on not league and FA cups.

    70K-100K is the wages now.

    CL, trophies and money means the most to a player not a fan base or game time.

    finally the biggest bit of proof is here
    the top 10 prices for a transfer in the season we signed alan shearer
    pounds 15m A Shearer (Blackburn to Newcastle)

    pounds 8.5m S Collymore (N Forest to Liverpool)

    pounds 7.5m D Bergkamp (Internazionale to Arsenal)

    pounds 7.5m F Asprilla (Parma to Newcastle)

    pounds 7m F Ravanelli (Juventus to Middlesbrough)

    pounds 7m P Ince (Man Utd to Internazionale)

    pounds 7m A Cole (Newcastle to Man Utd)

    pounds 6m L Ferdinand (QPR to Newcastle)

    pounds 5.5m D Platt (Aston Villa to Bari)

    pounds 5.5m P Gascoigne (Tottenham to Lazio)

    so they were the days and well kevin keegan tossed away that chance of turning us into a dominant top 4 and we ourselves all were chanting for the great sir bobby robson to get sacked. so we’ve had our chance but didn’t take it. besides we were in the championship a few seasons ago.

  • 92 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:10 PM

    Di Maria 70 million euros to UTD???

  • 93 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:11 PM

    Ramsey scores 2-1

  • 94 welshgeordie9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:13 PM

    I think I’ve just jinxed myself arsenal have just scored, I think I will keep my mouth shut from now on.

  • 95 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    Toonking, football is 11 vs 11. That hasn’t changed.

    Neither has a positive attitude to playing, unless you have a negative manager mismanaging the players.

  • 96 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    A lot of people on here say some of us are Pardew bashers, but they don’t get the point we are making .

    If this season we went balls to the wall attacking and looked like a different team that wanted to “frettn” the goal more like Pardew promised then I would give him some respect .

    The fact that I still see:

    . Our main striker isolated up front by himself feeding off scraps

    . Set pieces still being aimed for Willo and not working time after time,

    . No clear game plan and just hoping to see a moment of magic .

    . Poor team & bench selections

    The scary thing is I could go on .

    Once again Pardew has lied to us all saying we were going to be more attacking this year, however I am yet to see it and can see past his bullshi* .

  • 97 welshgeordie9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:14 PM

    i bet this match will finnish 2-2

  • 98 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:14 PM


    Can we have that in a legally binding contract 😉

  • 99 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:16 PM

    Big Pappa Cissé

    the truth is that any NUFC manager would get slaughtered if they did what Pardew does every week. It’s not personal to the man, but to the way he sets us up

  • 100 welshgeordie9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:16 PM

    It would take a Welshman to get the ball rolling

  • 101 toonking // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:16 PM


    we weren’t as threatening this week as we were against city.

    i was playing a game whilst watching the match to tell you the truth.

    our best chances were a one which will missed the ball, a one which jammett skied and also we had a one late on where i think SDJ could have score but players were all the the place.

    we were not playing defensive football at all we had great possession and were getting in villa’s half all the time the issue was that we had only 1 player in the box and he is such a poor finisher.

    gouffran is just too slow for wide player to be getting in the box
    cabbella doesn’t have the finishing touch of HBA even the commentators were saying it.

    colback is our most creative player.

    pardews subs were mis timed but overall it was evidence of our desperate search for that quality forward and SDJ could be a huge player for us.

  • 102 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:17 PM


    The reason we didn’t win the league under KK was because he did what Pardew won’t do, listen to someone else.

    Up until Xmas we had put everyone to the sword through attack attack attack.

    All the pundits com imitators etc where saying “you can’t win the league playing like that you need to defend too”

    So KK bought Batty the crab and instead of having a creative player in mid we had a player who passed backwards and sideways and took most of our attacking creativity away.

    If he’d stuck to his guns we would have won the league at a canter.

    That don’t mean I want Pardew to not listen to others 😉

  • 103 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:18 PM


  • 104 welshgeordie9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:18 PM


    Don’t be cheeky otherwise I will have to put you in mufc line up

  • 105 welshgeordie9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:18 PM

    What did i say


  • 106 harryfred // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:19 PM

    why all the negative comments we have had 2 tough games played well in both.Got a point away from home were the better side today creating 3 good chances.We will only get stronger as the season progresses and the new lads settle in yes we do need a goalscorer and centre back if we do then top 8 is not impossible and by the way Danny Welbeck would do a fantastic job for us don’t forget we are not a top 6 club yet.

  • 107 welshgeordie9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:19 PM

    i should be a football manager.

  • 108 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:20 PM


    Well from comparisons between Wenger and Pardew to Arsenal looking for the winner………………………….all that in less than ten minutes 😀

  • 109 welshgeordie9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:21 PM

    optimistic prime

    I’m glad you don’t moan on here.

  • 110 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:22 PM


    Your transfers are wrong mate sorry.

    Ferdinand came year before Shearer as did Tino and Bergkamp cost £10milliom 🙂

  • 111 welshgeordie9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:23 PM


    i think I will keep my thoughts to myself

  • 112 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:23 PM


    I think it’s best mate 😀

  • 113 toonking // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:24 PM

    everton 2-2 arsenal
    last week it was
    leister 2-2 everton

    you certainly right with this great attacking football mate it. 2 games and two draws.
    wait a minute i thought teams are meant to win games by total attacking football not drawing games

  • 114 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:24 PM


    Am I not doing it right?

  • 115 welshgeordie9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:24 PM


    I’ve always had faith in wenger, I knew they were going to get shots on target, nobody believed me.

    Ha ha ha

  • 116 toonking // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:25 PM

    well prove it them and also don’t blame me blame the fcuken news paper because that is where i got it from FACT.

  • 117 JackButler // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:26 PM


    If you tried backtracking any quicker you’d end up on your arse 😉

  • 118 welshgeordie9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:27 PM

    optimistic prime

    You are fine as you are, don’t be like some of the others.

  • 119 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:29 PM

    We attacked in spells but no real prolonged assaults like!

    Very true, prosaic can do that to a man!

    Lol still better than Taylor
    Thought he might be involved a bit, played more pre season minutes than anyone else
    But if your injured your injured, although apparently you’d still get forced to play in catchy’s team!

  • 120 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:30 PM

    Toonking, or you can do it Pardew’s way and be ahead against Reading and take the creative players off and get zero points. That one point is better than none. With defensive football you may not even get to be two goals up to start with.

    That was against Reading, not Arsenal.

  • 121 welshgeordie9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:31 PM


    it would be nice if there was a way of deleting comments on this blog it would save
    Having a red face.

  • 122 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:31 PM

    Toonking, 4 goals in 10 games and playing the Pardew way is something to really cling to isn’t it? Oh hang on, it’s not.

  • 123 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:33 PM

    Toon king

    Why do I need to prove it?
    You made the incorrect claim without evidence!

    I’m relying on my memory if being at the matches fella!

    Les signed 1 year before shearer, Tino signed in that Jan if my memory still works, 6months before shearer 🙂

  • 124 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:33 PM

    Blackley missed the whole bore draw but chose a good day to visit Ibrox. Sat amongst some of Govan’s finest beer heeds who provided some great entertainment. Boy could Mikey make something of that tired old sleeping giant.

  • 125 harryfred // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM

    Question for all is it pardews fault that Ashley hasn’t as yet released the funds to buy a top quality striker I am not a pardew fan.

  • 126 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:36 PM

    Shearers 1st game for the toon was a 4 0 defeat to Man U in charity shield.
    We had just finished 2nd blowing that lead Man U also won the FA cup that year.

    We got beat 4 0 as I said next game between the two sides was the 5 0
    To the toon.

  • 127 toonking // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:37 PM

    one difference mate
    pardew is a sh1t manager
    martinez is a great manager

    reading are a championship team
    everton are a top 6 team.

    i said it before the season even kicked off, everton is the team who’s results i would be using as part of my arguement on why it’s more than just managers that make the team.

    i’ve tried putting points across relating to cappello’s time as england manager and our bad form then but you still insist on it being all about managers so now i’ll use everton because they are the team who have got this great attacking manager
    they are the team who have got a europa league campaign
    finally they are the team who don’t spend lots of money on players and supposedly sell lots of decent ones so we shall see how they do because i want them to finish in the top 8 this season.

  • 128 Patoon // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:41 PM

    once again struggling to score goals, think it wil come but def dont think Riviere is the man to do it, def a great target man, very strong and powerful but not a great finisher, needs sum1 to play off him, sum1 like Cisse in his first season, don’t rate Anita and think Sissoko is best on the right, we looked very open today on the right with no cover for Janmaat, don’t rate Dummet, not the lads fault but he just isn’t good enuf, think Cabella is trying too hard with flicks and stepovers, would love to c us playing Ayoze more, he looks very exciting, would also give Obertan a run out as he was decent in pre season, would like to c this team start on Tuesday nite but don’t think Pardew will, prob start all youngsters

    Janmaat Colo Yanga Mbiwa Haidara
    ———–De Jong—————————

    Subs: Elliot, Streete, Dummet, Cabella, Gouffran, Saylor, Obertan

  • 129 welshgeordie9 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:41 PM

    It could be worse, that’s four points dropped by Everton and taking the lead twice in the two games.

  • 130 Nufc_Cal // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:42 PM

    I’ve seen on twitter that we’ve been linked with Daniel Wass, anyone know anything about him?

  • 131 toonking // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:44 PM

    question for all who know this club well enough

    toon fans all know ashley wants to bring in players that will be sold for a profit
    toon fans know ashley wants an academy that will produce youth than can be sold for millions
    toon fans know ashley runs us like a buissness

    great managers can create great players
    great managers can bring up players from the youth
    great managers would be perfect for ashley’s selling club buissness

    why the hell has he not appoint one when the evidence is everywhere.

    fans want the manager out not the owner
    fan want attack more than anything so we can be a selling club that plays like wigan

    basically these fans will accept newcastle being a yoyo selling club.

  • 132 Toon Tang // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:45 PM

    B&B, is that Brownlie speaking?

    We are desperate for that illusive striker more than ever eh. Someone who can create and score a goal by themselves out of nowt.

    There’s something about Cabella I don’t like as well, I cant put my finger on what though. I hope he comes good sooner than later…

    The plot thickens

  • 133 harryfred // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:52 PM

    Acting as devils advocate would it not be better for the toon if Mike Ashley stayed and Alan Pardew stayed as manager reasons being Ashley trusts Pardew and it appears he is loosening the purse strings.

  • 134 pawl250 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:52 PM

    Wait a minute folks

    Martinez is god, he plays total attacking football and lighting bolts come out his arse…… Or atleast at 2-0 he was

    But now the game 2-2 is he still the same person?

    God some people on here are soon fickle they would say something and then the next minute think the complete opposite. Indecisive much?

    Martinez is a good manager, not an amazing one.

    Pardew is an average one, basically will have us finish mid table…. Average manager with an average side.

    People need to take their black and white specs off and see we have average players. Not great ones….

    We have an average team, and an average manager. We also have a board who simply buy average players and accept an average finish in the Pl.

    Bottom line, what do people expect?

    Jose could manage our team and would not do much better, its like trying to get blood out of a stone. Why do people assume we have great players, we have potentially good players that’s about it.

    Anyone who has been worth building a team around simply moves on after a season or two because we cannot keep them…..

  • 135 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:55 PM


    If say it’s because we are what Ashley wants a advertising board for SD

    In the champions league you can only advertise your shirt supplier and sponsor, ie wonga and puma

    I’m not sure about Europa league I’ve not checked but have been informed it’s the same.

    So to me Ashley has no intention of challenging for Europe as there’s no profit in it for SD unless he sponsors our shirt or one of his companies make our strip they can’t get coverage in Europe.

    That’s also the reason I don’t beleive Ashley will sell us and buy Rangers.

    I said the other day that we get as much coverage maybe more than top 5 in this country by doing nothing. He has the perfect advertising for his company and you couldn’t pay for better!

  • 136 pawl250 // Aug 23, 2014 at 7:59 PM

    I LOVE Newcastle United…..

    I do not lie to myself saying we are a massive club because quite simply…. We are not.

    Average players

    Average manager

    A board with no real ambition

    And basically sum all the above up it means we are a mid table side.

    The only thing this club does have that could be classed as “big” or “massive” is a fanbase.

    This club has the potential to be massive as it would sell out a 52k stadium every week if we had any remote success.

    We do not sell out every game as it stands our average attendance last season shows that.

    When I was younger the club used to have a season ticket waiting list in the thousands, no I could ring tomorrow and get one!!

    People need to accept what the club is now, it won’t change unless MA leaves the club and a more ambitious owner is in charge….

    No amount of protesting will change that….

  • 137 Dennis Twice // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:02 PM

    Attack Toon attack attack!

  • 138 pawl250 // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:04 PM

    My sources in the club although I would take with a pinch of salt say MA will sell Newcastle upon Rangers reaching top division in the Scots League….

    All this extra revenue is apparently going to be built up with the intention of paying that personal loan off to make the club more attractive proposition in a few years when Rangers inevitably reach the top divison.

    That is from someone within the background of the club and as stated take with a pinch of salt.

    Baring in mind alot could change between now and then, including MA intentions for this club or just his plans in general.

    All I do know is this has been mentioned within the back echelon of the club, beyond that….. Who knows.

  • 139 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:05 PM

    The thing with Martinez or his stint at Everton is his play looks better because Moyes built a solid defence.

    I wouldn’t judge Martinez on Everton last year, maybe end of next season when he’s had 3 yr in charge.

    I always thought martinezs teams where weak at the back but people say it’s because Wigan sold all his players.

    I always thought Wigan used to be great going foward but would leave holes to be exploited. I expect Martinez to do well until he has to deal with the defence then we’ll get a true reflection of his abilities.

  • 140 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:06 PM


    Where Blackley goes Brownlie goes. Had a fantastic tour of Ibrox yesterday with a great old blue nose. The guy loved Gazza and told the tale of him taking the St Etienne bike from the trophy room and riding it to the training ground where he got bollocked off Walter Smith.

  • 141 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:08 PM

    @cwarr07: MYM very close to leaving #nufc Departure could be confirmed in the next few days.

  • 142 Patoon // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:09 PM

    Dennis Twice is a sad man, attack toon attack attack, same words for the last 2 years now, def from the scumberland, sad b*****d

  • 143 pawl250 // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:12 PM

    I think Martinez plays attractive football but at times its abit flattering to the eye.

    As you say Optimistic Prime…..

    Moyes built a solid team at Everton. Barry and Lukaku on loan were basically the only signings Martinez had to make last year to play the way they did…. Perhaps Mccarthy….

    He has hardly transformed them, I mean he finishes in similar positions and yet when Moyes was in charge they were defensively sound yet lacked attacking options….

    Martinez is the opposite, they look a good attacking side yet defensive is debateable….

    You cannot say Jagielka is a world class centre back….

    Coleman is great going forward abit dodge in defense, as is Baines (as seen in WC)

    Distin is a great player, albeit getting on.

    This defense looked solid under Moyes, and yet looks abit dodge under Martinez…

    Imagine if our defence got any worse? Lol

  • 144 pawl250 // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:16 PM

    I bet MYM leaves…..

    I would be gutted if he does. Would much rather see the back of STaylor or RTaylor before him. Both are dross.

    He simply has not been given the chance. I do blame Pardew for that.

    He should be our future centre back….. Partnered with a better Williamson like player for aerial threats.

    Colo is getting on, Williamson is awful on the ball I mean I have never seen such a tall player be so poor (in terms of accuracy) when heading the ball. And as I said STaylor is dross.

    I bet tomorrow’s supposed signing is Richards.

  • 145 Toon Tang // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:16 PM

    B&B hahahahaaa LEGEND

    tads, on MYM leaving, if that’s true it would be a suicidal bit of business if you ask me. STaylor as the only “experienced” backup if things go wrong… Chuffing ‘ell.

  • 146 pawl250 // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:19 PM


    It already has went wrong….

    Will suspended would mean STaylor and Colo next game if playing full strength…..

    I wish we would go and buy a decent striker and a decent Cb.

    Sell Ben Arfa and STaylor if we need to free up numbers for squad.

  • 147 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:22 PM

    Mym to leave 🙁

    Pardew said he couldn’t look him in the eye when he dropped him for Colo.

    He must remind Pardew how inept he is at his job so shipped him out.

    Mym leaves and we couldn’t make a decent CB with the other 3 put together

    Bad move IMO

  • 148 Toon Tang // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:22 PM

    pawl, aye ya right mate, I’d forgotten about Willow’s red. So we will see the return of the main man then eh, lovely jubbly.

  • 149 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:22 PM

    Toon Tang
    Risking Taylor to protect our goal then wondering how we lost is like using a condom that expired in the 80’s and wondering how that girl got knocked up
    Like the rubber, Taylor is way past his use by date and should be binned

  • 150 Belfast // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:24 PM

    Think Cabella is exactly the same type of player as Ben Arfa to be honest. Don’t think he’s that much better put it that way.

    Think he’ll be pretty inconsistent, just like Ben Arfa.

    It’s pretty obvious we need a top striker like. Be interesting to see what Percy and Co do about that.

    I’ve a funny feeling we’ll not sign one, and we’ll all be moaning about it for the next few months.

  • 151 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:25 PM

    On the plus side at least Willo only misses the Gillingham game we’ll have him back for Palace

  • 152 Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:26 PM

    If MYM is leaving it is surely because a new CB is coming in. If they’re a good one then that’s fine. It’s probably that the club simply can’t shift Taylor that he’s still here.

  • 153 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:26 PM

    You paint such a lovely picture of our future!

  • 154 pawl250 // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:26 PM

    Let’s hope STaylor plays against Gillingham and suffers a small injury for a month.

    May allow MYM to get his chance, although Williamson will be free from his ban at that point so no it won’t lol…..

    Pardew is a complete waste of space if MYM leaves, I think with time on the field in his desired role he could be our best defender.

    Saying that I do not see him in training!

  • 155 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:28 PM

    @NUFC: REACTION: Alan Pardew tells nufcTV: “We’ve encouraged the players to be braver with the passing. In two thirds of the pitch we were great.”

  • 156 Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:29 PM

    Cabella is a carbon copy of Ben Arfa, just weaker and slightly less greedy.

  • 157 Belfast // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:29 PM

    You know me tads, I’m a right little ray of sunshine.

  • 158 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:30 PM

    @NUFC: Ahead of @TheGillsFC, Pardew tells nufcTV: “I’ll be taking the same squad that came here, so a strong squad, and hopefully we’ll get a win.”

    It’s f**king Gillingham ffs!

  • 159 pawl250 // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:31 PM

    Team for Tuesday…..

    Janmaat STaylor MYM Haidara
    Abeid Sissoko
    Cabella De Jong Aarons

    Think it’s a decent mixture of strong and youth.

    Allows De Jong to get some match fitness and hopefully link up with likes of Cabella and Aarons

    Anita and Colback need a rest as they are the ones who cover most ground.

    MYM can show his worth.

  • 160 WWSBRD // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:32 PM

    MYM did play a lot of minutes but he didn’t really impress me…did he u? I won’t be upset if he leaves and is replaced tbh

  • 161 Belfast // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:34 PM

    Need 3 points next Saturday like. Palace are the circus club at the moment. Drop points against them and wor Percy will be under pressure already

  • 162 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:35 PM

    Yes and no
    Looked good at CB vs Schalke
    Looked seriously p1ssed off when he was played at RB

    The key word being replaced
    That’s a big if

  • 163 pawl250 // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:36 PM


    Could be cos he was played as a right back opposed to centre back mostly.

    When he and Williamson played during Colo suspension we kept clean sheets against Man Utd and Old Trafford, Chelsea and Spurs (albeit thanks to Krul for that one)

    I ask…..

    Imagine Williamson playing right back and tell me you would see him at his best?

    Or Kompany if you want to see what it would do to the arguably best centre back in the world?

    Tell me you will see the same player?

    Sorry but we cannot judge MYM on the handful of times he has played in his preferred role and not given time to bed into it, as stated the only time he was given time we kept clean sheets against better teams…

  • 164 pawl250 // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:38 PM


    Wrong time to play Palace, no doubt they will have new manager by then….

    Normally gives players a little boost for a couple of games!

    I agree it’s a game we should/must win.

    If we lose that at home we should be worried….

  • 165 Belfast // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    You’re probably right Pawl knowing are luck.

    Though every man and their dog seem to be ruling themselves out of the running for the job lol

  • 166 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:41 PM

    Who cares if they have a new manager by then it’s bloody palace!

  • 167 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:43 PM


    If I’ve said it once I’ve said it a thousand times “Saylor has more chance of a oscar than a England cap”

    On MYM IMO the only run of games he got he did well, played 3games against Citeh Chelsea and I can’t think of 3rd team and we had 3 clean sheets.

    He was looking settled and getting to grips with the English game then he got dumped for Colo the clown!

    Even Pardew said “I couldn’t look M’biwa in the eyes”

    That show what a useless knob he is, your defence is dodgy, so you change it then it plays well, so you change it back to when it was dodgy! Knob

    M’biwa has definitely been short changed by Pardew I bet he’s played in RB or LB more than he has as a CB and has never had more than 3games on the trot.

    Definitely Pardewed

  • 168 Toon Tang // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:44 PM

    tads, visions of trying to get an 80’s jimmy hat on and up haha sweet as a nut geeza.

    We sort of no better off from where we were this time last season eh, at least we still had the creative Cabmonster and a proper goalscorer albeit a loaned one.

  • 169 WWSBRD // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:45 PM

    He’s played CB quite a few times now and he’s average, once saw him as a Colo replacement but for a former captain he shows no leadership on the pitch and lacks concentration. He’s better than Saylor but Christ I’d put very few worse than Saylor

    I can’t judge him on the times he’s played at CB for us? He played CB most of preseason and didn’t show himself to be any better than our other 3 senior CBs which is a worry considering the quality that MYM is supposed to have against Saylor, Willo and Colo none of whom are quality players

    If he goes and is replaced he won’t be missed

  • 170 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:46 PM

    It shows with his selection of Dummet over Haidara as well .

    Massadio was great in pre season, but is dumped for whatever reason .

  • 171 Toon Tang // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    Is Dejong the Cabs replacement ?

  • 172 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    We will LOSE against Palace!

    We always lose against the crap teams in the league, sland reading Wigan etc etc
    It always happens because they play Pardews game better than him!


    I saw Pardew interview earlier sounds the same as the sky/bbc one he did, my fave part was

    “Some of the players are trying to hard and are trying to force a chance, you can’t force chances in football you have to wait for your chances to come to you”

    Probs not his word for word but it’s what he said.

  • 173 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:54 PM

    BPC Dummet has played 1219 mins in the Pl and we conceded 24 goals in that time.
    Haidara has played 631 mins and we have conceded 22 goals in that time.
    Haidara looks better galloping forward but has yet to get a single assist.
    Dummet has one goal and one assist to his name.
    Convenient stick to beat Pardew with but the facts don`t stand scrutiny.

  • 174 Belfast // Aug 23, 2014 at 8:57 PM

    Was actually reading last night, Palace want Ally Mccoist lol

    That would be the worst appointment ever.

    The football that Rangers play under him is absolutely awful. Should never have got the Rangers job in the first place. Most Rangers fans will tell you the exact same.

  • 175 scout // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:00 PM

    We will skittle palace at home.

  • 176 Belfast // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:00 PM

    Dummett looks like a championship player playing in the premiership to be honest. He should be loaned out for a couple of seasons in my opinion, and see if he improves.

  • 177 Belfast // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:02 PM

    I see the Leeds manager is meant to be getting the sack already lol

    That appointment worked out well

  • 178 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:04 PM

    Belfast, I don`t really rate Dummet at all but he is better than Haidara, They are both young though so still have time to improve. Santon is the best of the bunch and he is nothing special either.

  • 179 scout // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:05 PM

    Whats everyones thoughts on the man u game tomorrow?

  • 180 Belfast // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:05 PM

    Basically we’ve loads of left backs tequila and they’re all crap lol

  • 181 Belfast // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:07 PM

    Scout, who ever scores the most goals will win.

  • 182 Belfast // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:07 PM

    That’s all you’re getting 🙂

  • 183 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:09 PM

    Belfast fraid so mate. I would try Colback at LB when Tiote is fit. He played there plenty of times for Sunderland and Sunderland fans tell me it is his better position.

  • 184 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:10 PM

    Scout Sunderland have a decent chance, Man U defence looks worse than ours.

  • 185 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:11 PM

    Reckon the Fulham manager will be gone in the morning

  • 186 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:13 PM

    I didn’t think it was possible to be more underwhelmed with NUFC’s current plight but the rumour Danny Welbeck is signing has done it.

    Checked his record and it’s not impressive at all, he’s 24 in November.

    He’s just scored 20goals for Man U in the league after ninety odd appearances his cup goals are slightly better.
    Sunderland was his best spell 6 from 28 games.

    His goal scoring is between one goal every 5 games give or take but far from a top striker.

    Bring Shola back, at least he’s a canny lad

  • 187 Belfast // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:14 PM

    I thought the Fulham manager would have been gone before today Tads.

  • 188 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:15 PM

    I forgot he hasnt got into double figures in any season and Man U are slightly more attacking than us ;£

  • 189 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:16 PM

    OP Wellbeck scored 9 for Man u last season and only played 1400 mins. It was also the first time he had a run as forward rather than being shunted out wide. Scored 6 goals in 6 ganes over dec/Jan.

  • 190 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:16 PM

    Aye mate there absolutely shocking Derby utterly destroyed them today

  • 191 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:18 PM

    It doesn’t matter if he could be a good play, or has the potential to turn in to a top CF
    The point is we need a PROVEN out and out goal scorer

  • 192 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:20 PM

    “We’ve encouraged the players to be braver with the passing. In two thirds of the pitch we were great.”

    When a fearful game of defending and containment is drilled into them week after after week, ‘being braver with passing’ and not getting much response is like bringing a child up telling them that a shark will eat them if they swim in the sea. Then you wonder why they won’t get in the water when you by them a dinghy.

    Stick to handling glass, Alan, you prat.

  • 193 Laurent Robert 32 // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:21 PM


  • 194 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:23 PM

    tads fair enough, any suggestions of a proven PL player ?
    Bearing in mind what MA is likely to spend rather that what we would like him to spend?

  • 195 beermonkey // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:25 PM

    do we know whether in coming player is loan or buy and is it wellbeck??????????????

  • 196 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM

    Didn’t say PL, but at the very least someone with a scoring record!

  • 197 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM


    6 in 26 all upfront for sland

    One swallow doesn’t make a summer an as tads pointed out we need a proven scorer or a leader up front.

    IMO Welbeck is neither

  • 198 geordie157 // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:27 PM

    Why is welbeck being suggested?

    Could it be Wickham signing?

    Or a centre back

  • 199 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:28 PM

    Beermonkey, nobody really knows anything mate. 99 % of the names that are thrown about are just to fill newspapers.

  • 200 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:28 PM

    We all know we need a proven CF and a commanding CB

    The two names doing the rounds for our supposed signing tomorrow are Welbeck and Richardson, FFS 🙁

  • 201 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:32 PM

    OP that was 3 years ago playing for a poor Sunderland team. Sturridge was bounced about all over the place with modest success before he became the player he is today.
    Not saying for one minute Wellbeck is world class but he is not the donkey many on here are painting him.

  • 202 toonincheek // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:32 PM

    Belfast @181

    May seem like a canny prediction,
    but you are forgetting about own goals!

  • 203 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:32 PM


    Good point on the papers

    I generally don’t beleive rumours treat them with a pinch of salt but I have a bad feeling it’s true.

    Along with M’biwa on his way

    So we could end up with Richardson as our commanding CB in place of M’biwa, if it was Saylor ok that ain’t bad.

    And end up with Welbeck as Remy or Ba’s replacement.

    IMO both are side steps not foward!

  • 204 beermonkey // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:35 PM


    cheers mate half reading the blog you would think he had signed

  • 205 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:36 PM


    When ever I saw Sturidge play even in a poor Bolton side he looked a player and a goal threat, I can’t say the same for Welbeck.

    Just my opinion mate, watched him a lot up front for mackems with my SMB pal and was never impressed.

  • 206 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:37 PM

    OP not saying this will happen, but if you remember at the start of last season everyone has slating Willo in exactly the same way they are slating Taylor now. He proved a lot of people wrong. Willo will never be a great player but he is a our most solid CH. Who is to say that Taylor cannot possibly do the same thing ?

  • 207 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:39 PM

    Beermonkey, the blog can get a bit carried away with itself at times mate

  • 208 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:41 PM

    OP the jury is still out with me for Wellbeck. He was only 21 when he played for Sunderland and that is still pretty young in a players development. I would not throw a party if Wellbeck signed but I would not be kicking the cat either.

  • 209 Jay K // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:46 PM

    Lads at a guess ad say the lad if there is a signing will be from overseas wen a was at the training ground yesterday the merc they use wen bringing in players from overseas was there neva thought out of it with Ashley being there didn’t say this yesterday as the stick a got for just saying Ashley was there. He was also there this morning.

  • 210 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:46 PM


    Saylor is to slow to immobile and isn’t much better than Willo technically.

    I’ve never slated Willo as he is what he is, goes about his job in a proffesonal way and plays at his best every game.

    Saylor can’t stand next to someone without grabbing their shirt. How many times has he been sent off for handball?
    He’s always mouthing off in papers and is anything but proffesonal he’s a legend in his own mind and doesn’t need to improve.

    He’s actually went backwards since his first game. Man city last year when he got sent off he’d already handled inside the box twice and the ref missed it.

    Willo will make a mistake here and there but Saylor makes around three a game and 9 times out of 10 it ends up costing us a goal or a player due to a ref card or maybe both.

    Accident waiting to happen IMO

  • 211 Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:46 PM

    A Man Utd mate of mine rates Welbeck really highly. Says when he’s up front he’s a good player who can create and score, as well as being really fast and strong.

    I’d take him, he’s better than what we have got.

  • 212 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:48 PM


    If he does I’ll kik my SMB mates black cat 😉

  • 213 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:52 PM

    This is from a Man U blog about Wellbeck.

  • 214 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:53 PM

    GPLF, we need someone. Riviere cannot lead the line and we have no idea what Cisse will be like when he comes back.

  • 215 Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:54 PM

    We know Cisse can’t lead the line either.

  • 216 Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:55 PM

    Where has this come from anyway?

  • 217 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2014 at 9:58 PM

    Not sure mate all the reports I have read mention Everton Spurs Sunderland after him nothing about us. Prob some twitter BS.

  • 218 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:00 PM

    I’d started this before you put up that link so I won’t change any.

    I’d loved to be proved wrong on Saylor Welbeck etc as it would mean they where playing well for us 🙂

    I’d live Pardew to really have changed to attacking football but all we can do is judge on the past because we can’t predict the future.

    Fergie never sold a good player unless that player wanted to go, can’t see LVG ditching Welbeck if he’s a decent player as Man U aren’t exactly over flowing with talent ATM

    After that link

    Pretty much what I was saying, Welbeck may get better but we can’t afford to wait.

    We need someone who can walk straight in and put them in the back of the net, if it ends up being Welbeck I’ll be disappointed but I’ll cheer his every goal and hope he shoves my previous words on him down my throat!

  • 219 beermonkey // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:01 PM


    was it just Warnocks word about the signing or has pards said we will be announcing a signing

  • 220 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:02 PM


    Someone posted it earlier not sure who

    Expat, pointed out Dick Van Dyke wasn’t playing or on bench for Celtic this afternoon so no doubt more links to us.

  • 221 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:05 PM

    Beer monkey

    In Pardews interview he said

    “We have our fingers on the pulse, there’s a chance someone will come in tomorrow with a cpl going out and maybe more in”

    Hard to know what that really means 😉

  • 222 tequilamag // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:05 PM

    Beermonkey, just Warnock I think.
    I have not read Pardews interview after the game but I can`t recall anyone mentioning anything about a signing coming from him.

  • 223 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:07 PM

    I saw his interview, I normally walk out room but had no clothes on 😉

    But Pardew said what I wrote bellow 🙂

  • 224 Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:11 PM

    M’Biwa and Tiote out by my guess?

    Maybe Van Dijk and Welbeck in?

  • 225 beermonkey // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:12 PM


    only couple out there are quite a few that need to go out onloan

    knowing how backward the club is the incoming play is prob a keeper or left back

  • 226 Brutooon // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:14 PM

    Hope Mapou play next match and keep Williamson where he bleong – AT THE BENCH

    But the positive thing is that we kept the ball (despite no goals). this is still better than two seasons ago when we play LONG BALLS (and not working at all)

  • 227 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:23 PM


    You must work for the club 😉

    His interview was on final score on bbc they talked about us for five minutes.
    Danny mills and Garth Crooks both bigged Pardew up calling him a great manager etc 🙁

    Two things that stood out was the bit about in comings and outgoings and the bit this thread is about, but ed didn’t finish what Pardew said.

    “Some of our players where trying to hard to force a opening, and that’s not how football works you can’t force your chances you have to wait for them to present themselves”

    Maybe slightly different wording but I was baffled by it.

  • 228 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:25 PM

    At the same time I may have taken it out of context if they didn’t play whole interview I’m commenting on what I saw and heard.

  • 229 beermonkey // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:32 PM


    I cant watch that garth crooks he is just a knob

    pards is baffling


  • 230 beermonkey // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:37 PM


    did u watch the match

  • 231 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:48 PM


    No mate couldn’t get a stream to work, watched highlights just before.

    Judging by radio my mate who was watching it and comments on here we weren’t very good but villa where worse.

    On the radio they kept saying Rivierre was upfront with no help, Willo was our star man covering colo and dumett.

    It seems set up same as Citeh but our performance wasn’t as good few players got the usual slating on here.

    Bit hard to judge overall by listening and just seeing highlights but sounds like same problems to me.

    Not enough players get foward no support for our CF and the defence sits to deep. We kept ball better second half but did little with it.

    That’s a major thing with Pardew as manager we only ever play for 45mins, one half crap one half we try and play.
    Can’t remember a full 90mins where we where in control or played well.

  • 232 JamesToon // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:49 PM

    I can’t stand watching Everton they have a top quality manager who could of completely transformed us.

  • 233 JamesToon // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:49 PM

    If we took the opportunity to get him

  • 234 beermonkey // Aug 23, 2014 at 10:57 PM


    I find that bizarre that we can only play for 45 mins
    I cant see it being sorted
    a big signing for us would be a decent attacking coach cant believe hoddle has gone to do some coaching at qpr

    james toon

    Martinez is great friends with dave whealen and would not come here even if offered

  • 235 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 11:03 PM


    Coaches would be a start but everything’s done at this club so we spend as little as possible. Unless there’s a great Geordie coach out there who’ll come for peanuts were stuck with Carver and Stone.

  • 236 beermonkey // Aug 23, 2014 at 11:10 PM


    were not balanced its like the players are scared to get in the box most of the time

    i think it was points dropped today and palace next week will have a new manager and a player or 2 and will be all happy so i am not expecting great things next week

  • 237 Sazzer // Aug 23, 2014 at 11:13 PM

    Welbeck is similar to Riviere in that they have the attributes to be decent strikers but neither have scored more than 10 goals in a season while backed up by world class chance creators. Compared that to much more limited player like Grant Holt who scored 15 goals for Norwich.

  • 238 jimmysmith // Aug 23, 2014 at 11:13 PM

    That was not by any means disappointing. A point away from home and the better team, competing and knocking it around well. De Jong blooded and Janmaat finding his feet and one or two signings to come. Heartening and promising are better words.

  • 239 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 11:18 PM


    Judging on previous seasons we usual get beat by the poorest sides in the league more often than not.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if we lose.

    Watching Motd and all the teams are getting 4 or 5 in opponents box!

    Cheating swines, hope Pardew complains to the FA!

  • 240 JamesToon // Aug 23, 2014 at 11:18 PM

    Would love a coaching team of de Boer, Bergkamp and Stam

  • 241 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 11:20 PM

    James toon

    I wish!

    At the moment I’d even take Mike Bassett

  • 242 beermonkey // Aug 23, 2014 at 11:24 PM


    looks like sherringham has had an impact at west ham


    a new coaching team and manager would be great but its not gonna happen, not yet, the problem is pardew is so arrogant he cant see we are dire in the final 3rd and have been for 3 seasons a normal person would look and go i need a specialist for this cos what were doin aint working

  • 243 Pardews Prolific Boys // Aug 23, 2014 at 11:33 PM

    Janmaat looked very good today. Very good replacement for debuchy if he keeps this up.

  • 244 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 11:33 PM


    Just saw them passing and moving with quick movement of the ball, highlights alone they looked completely different to last year.

    Watching Motd is sickening me!
    Watching all thease teams passing and moving with intent and pace, even the so called poor teams look better than us!

    I predict a long long boring season 🙁
    Never wanted to be so wrong in my life.

  • 245 Transfer Sage // Aug 23, 2014 at 11:41 PM

    Just hang around in villa tonight to sign Vlaar and Benteke and we’ll look twice as good.

    Would love the fat git to show some ambition for once.

    Watching motd now, never saw the game so can’t comment.

  • 246 Transfer Sage // Aug 23, 2014 at 11:45 PM

    What I will say from the highlights and last weeks game I think Perez looks very good, seems to have clever link up play and can really slot a clever through ball in.

    Want to see some of chucky

  • 247 optimistic prime // Aug 23, 2014 at 11:54 PM

    Watching motd and two things stand out.

    After Cabelka put Rivierre through on goal he takes his shot and there’s not anothe NUFC player within 20yards of him.

    When DeJong won the ball and got the return for his shot he shoots the keeper spills it and Rivierre hasn’t moved since passing the ball to DeJong and there’s no one else anywhere near.

    I don’t like our formation one bit, we use it so Pardew can stack the midfield to protect our crap defence.

    Both teams had chances and either could say they deserved the win.

  • 248 SuperShearer // Aug 23, 2014 at 11:55 PM

    Would love Wellbeck here. He’s a cracking striker; hard working, good team ethic, can create for himself and others. You really think he’d get get continuously selected by Sir Alex Ferguson and for England if the guy didn’t have talent? Truth is I think he’ll have better offers from bigger clubs than ours. Teams like Spurs should be falling over themselves to bag him.

  • 249 beermonkey // Aug 24, 2014 at 12:05 AM


    i don’t think it is as bad as the blog gives the feeling it is
    but there was some poor performances today
    from some players
    last week we were more 433 this week more 4231 and it didn’t seem to be working,

    rumour has it he is taking a strong team to Gillingham but this is the game to start perez Aarons with a few of the 1st team for me they could be starters against palace if they play well

  • 250 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 24, 2014 at 12:06 AM

    From the highlights I have watched so far this is not going to be a fun season under coach d!

  • 251 beermonkey // Aug 24, 2014 at 12:07 AM


    is it just fitness for chucky or is he injured
    maybe game time on tues

  • 252 Novocastrian66 // Aug 24, 2014 at 12:10 AM

    What’s the craic with Welbeck

  • 253 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Aug 24, 2014 at 12:13 AM

    I have said it before if we are going to get another Man Utd reject then they have to take back Obertan and issue an apology!

  • 254 beermonkey // Aug 24, 2014 at 12:15 AM


    i want a full refund on woebatan as well he is not as described and there were signs of wear

  • 255 optimistic prime // Aug 24, 2014 at 12:16 AM


    It’s hard to tell what formation were meant to be playing at any time.

    We continually look slow uninterested and clueless going foward.

    No off the ball movement to drag opo about, no one looking for space or looking to isolate opponents.

    We make everything hard for ourselves and most of the time our players pass the ball then stand watching instead of getting foward or covering for a team mate.

    Janmatt gets foward and looks good, but he’ll get slated for not being back in defence, when in reality if he’s foward a DM should fill in for him. But that won’t happen instead fans will say he’s a liability!

  • 256 beermonkey // Aug 24, 2014 at 12:26 AM


    janmaat was good all round from what i remember today

    well let hope we win Tuesday and then can build on it,

    i think if we start bad against palace i think the crowd will get on pards back early

  • 257 optimistic prime // Aug 24, 2014 at 12:34 AM


    Let’s hope so, a loss against the Gills on Pardew will be getting it no matter howwe perform against palace.

    I’m off now, gota get up early and watch for our new signing. Then I’m gonna watch the SMB with me pal, they’ve a decent chane against Man U.

    Hope they lose though 😉

  • 258 dannitoon // Aug 24, 2014 at 7:40 AM

    He misses one game which will be in mid week

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