Cisse – These Protests Are Not Good For The Team


Papiss Cisse saved us against Hull City a few weeks ago, when he came on as a substitute after 69 minutes for his first appearance of the season when we were 2-0 down, and he scored two good goals to salvage Newcastle a point.

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Papiss Cisse after scoring on Saturday

And then again on Saturday he started his first game of the season, and scored two good opportunist goals, set up by Gabby Obertan and Sammy Ameobi, to get Newcastle a valuable point.

We only have 4 points from seven games, and Papiss Cisse is responsible for half of those points.

The Senegal striker has been great for us so far this season,  but he has also said the protests going on against Alan Pardew are not good for the team.

This is what Papiss has said when he talked about Alan Pardew:

“Yes, I know this moment is not easy for him,” “The team does not think about how things are right now. ” “It is for the gaffer, but it’s not good for the team.¨

¨It’s not easy for the players because it is the players playing the game.”

“You have to believe in yourself and believe in the team. You have to keep going and work hard and maybe one day it will come good.”

The next game is at home to Leicester City and it’s a game we should be able to win,  if we are indeed to pull away from the bottom of the league.

Papiss will be an extremely important player in that game, but our defense must also be a lot stronger than it’s been of late,  and the two goals we conceded on Saturday were poor goals to give away.

Both Colo and Willo need to step up to the plate and improve things at the back quickly.

It will be interesting to see the level of protests at St, James’ Park a week come Saturday.

We need a win in that game, but the best position we be in after a win is 5th bottom.

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40 comments so far

  • Laurent Robert 32

    Oct 6, 2014 at 12:53 AM

    Comment #1

    Alan Pardew is not good for the team, nor was he at his previous clubs which didn’t involve Mike Ashley. He got sacked there anyway.

    Different owners, still crap, still broke abysmal records.

    Conman. Pardew out.

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  • Black and White with an army lol

    Oct 6, 2014 at 1:21 AM

    Comment #2

    Laurent Robert 32

    Pardew is awesome ( just trying to put a smile on your face mate 😉 )

    Iv’e been saying for years about the way Pardew plays his style and the way he approaches things.

    It almost puts a smile on my face considering I’ve been coaching for 5 years now and every thing I’ve learnt from the coaching courses is completely different to the way Pardew does it, he does the complete opposite in every aspect of style and formation.

    But one day I will become a professional manager ( hopefully for Newcastle ) and I will say to the press it’s because of Alan Pardew I became a manager not of the success he claims to have had but his inept tactic styles and poor management skills because if someone so poor can manage a club like Newcastle better still being a manager himself anyone one can do it 🙂

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Oct 6, 2014 at 1:23 AM

    Comment #3

    Those words are hardly going to put a smile on my face. In fact, I don’t even want to type the words out myself.

    It’s like chalk and cheese.

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  • Black and White with an army lol

    Oct 6, 2014 at 1:32 AM

    Comment #4

    Laurent Robert 32

    well I tried mate 😉

    but on the bright side though at least we can say TOLD YOU SO to Ashley when Pardew has us in the bottom 3 by January 1st because with the fixtures I can only see maybe 5 or 6 points but that depends on Leicester City result if we lose against them at home I predict 4 points.

    MA will have no choice but to sack him.

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  • Black and White with an army lol

    Oct 6, 2014 at 1:36 AM

    Comment #5

    this is who we got next until Jan 1st

    18/10/2014 15:00 Newcastle United v Leicester City

    25/10/2014 15:00 Tottenham Hotspur v Newcastle United

    01/11/2014 12:45 Newcastle United v Liverpool

    09/11/2014 13:30 West Bromwich Albion v Newcastle United

    22/11/2014 15:00 Newcastle United v Queens Park Rangers

    29/11/2014 15:00 West Ham United v Newcastle United

    02/12/2014 19:45 Burnley v Newcastle United

    06/12/2014 15:00 Newcastle United v Chelsea

    13/12/2014 15:00 Arsenal v Newcastle United

    20/12/2014 15:00 Newcastle United v Sunderland

    26/12/2014 15:00 Manchester United v Newcastle United

    28/12/2014 15:00 Newcastle United v Everton

    01/01/2015 15:00 Newcastle United v Burnley

    maybe a win against QPR at home and maybe a point against Burnley.

    but if I’m really being realistic and maybe will sneak a few draws in we could maybe have 7 points in total

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  • Toonacious T

    Oct 6, 2014 at 1:36 AM

    Comment #6

    I’ve been arguing for years on here with complete morons that it was not a mutually exclusive argument as to whether Ashley or Pardew were to blame. An owner that lacks vision and ambition be-gets a limited stooge of a manager like Pardew. If he gets rid of Pardew then he will attract another limited arse licker who is happy to toe the party line in order to keep getting his pay cheque. Any manager who truly wants to build a team, a style of play and thus a professional reputation will not want to work under Ashley. There is literally zero evidence to contradict any of these very obvious statements. Pardew is merely a symptom of the Ashley disease that is rotting our club to the core.

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  • jimmysmith

    Oct 6, 2014 at 2:10 AM

    Comment #7

    There is some suggestion that Ashley is looking at all this and recognizing the flaws in his approach. I’d be surprised if that isn’t true, and while I agree he doesn’t belong at Newcastle, the club is not, nor ever likely to rot “to the core” under Ashley. That’s an overstatement. It’s the spirit of the club that’s taking the beating, which fortunately, is the one thing Ashley will struggle to overpower and the one thing that will ultimately overcome his tenure.

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  • jimmysmith

    Oct 6, 2014 at 2:18 AM

    Comment #8

    Obertan looks extremely powerful and fit. He’s also apparently very bright. I wonder if he hasn’t taken a step back after his travails toward the end of last season and then attempted to become the sort of genuine up and down the flank winger that Pardew wants, whether to break into the side or earn a move away. There seems a clear physical and attitudinal change in him.

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  • mainemagpie

    Oct 6, 2014 at 2:47 AM

    Comment #9

    What is the source for these alleged quotes by Papiss Cisse?…..If there is video out there of him saying this then I will accept that he said it. After the Hull game 2 weeks ago when he scored 2 goals he said and I quote from the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs-2sMoWB8U

    “I do just my job, and after is the fan and the gaffer that one I don’t speak for that one”

    These quotes being attributed to players are a PR campaign created by Ashley and crew…

    Papiss Cisse is not capable of speaking or writing English so clearly, so his quotes are being manufactured for him, this is propaganda clear and simple.

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  • mecannylad

    Oct 6, 2014 at 3:34 AM

    Comment #10

    Jimmysmith talking about ‘the spirit of the club’ is spot on.
    A rare -and welcome – voice of reason.
    But equally I can believe that Cisse’s attributed quotes have been generated via the new PR support department. Sad.
    Good innit ?….. What a soap opera.

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  • Thump

    Oct 6, 2014 at 3:40 AM

    Comment #11

    I worked as a web designer for about 14 years. Because I worked from home I had to work with the noise of my family around me, constant interruptions etc. Know what I did? Got on with it like a professional.

    Tell the team to focus on the game and not the fans. Simple.

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  • Dondatta13

    Oct 6, 2014 at 4:32 AM

    Comment #12

    With all due resect Papiss, you’ve only been here for a New York minute…

    40+ years we’re cheering the lads on with nothing to show for it, zip, zero, nada…

    “If you want something you’ve never had, you must be willing to do something you’ve never done before”! – Thomas Jefferson

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  • sing in the corner

    Oct 6, 2014 at 5:54 AM

    Comment #13

    It’s amazing reading some of these comments, it really is. There are a lot of problems with the club and team,that’s for sure. But to twist any quote by the manager,pulling to bits anything anything positive or supportive any player says..and just fall back on oh well he must’ve been misquoted or not said it in the first place..it just smacks of hysteria and unmovable bias. Everyone hails Cabaye, he came out in support of Pardew but that doesn’t fit the model does it? The lads are trying their guts out and fighting hard. Lots of teams would have lost games here and there had it not been for outstanding saves in a tough game, or a double from their striker against the run of play. That’s how it goes.

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Oct 6, 2014 at 6:27 AM

    Comment #14

    `jimmysmith` overstatement hyperole and exaggeration are part and parcel of a lot of the posts on this blog plus heaps of repetition

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Oct 6, 2014 at 6:33 AM

    Comment #15

    hyperbole

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  • firebug666

    Oct 6, 2014 at 6:59 AM

    Comment #16

    People are so narrow minded they refuse to see the bigger picture.

    Nothing at Newcastle is enjoyable anymore, the club has been stifled. Ashley has us looking good on paper financially, but there is no benefit from that for the club in real terms as most of the revenue generated by the club goes to his main company Sports Defect and or Mash Holdings.

    The club no longer has any saleable assets as mash holdings sold them for the benefit of mash holdings not Newcastle United.

    We have been lumbered with the cheapest and most inept manager in the league, who’s sole purpose is to try and keep us in the premier league. He has never been a good manager at any level and is unlikely to improve. We have a team of reasonably good players who have become misfits under the guidance of the inept one.

    When I look at the Cisse quotes above, and his other recent quotes I see nothing showing out & out support for the manager.

    In fact….. Oh I’ll just post it. “You have to believe in yourself and believe in the team. You have to keep going and work hard and maybe one day it will come good.”

    Never says your have to believe in the manager does he? Just says it is for him to deal with. When he said yesterday he will keep scoring goals for the team, you have to hope he is right and not just setting himself up for a fall.

    This is a club that has done nothing for the fans, we have endured 7 long years of lies and deceit, had the heart and soul ripped out of the club, had to watch poor football, and now the fans can’t even agree on if you drive through a motorway, or on a motorway, (it on a motorway by the way).

    This is what Newcastle United has been reduced to, for those of you that are happy with that, I know the name of a very good councillor who can help.

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  • hibbit

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:02 AM

    Comment #17

    as the new pr team move into top gear expect more of this

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:10 AM

    Comment #18

    Firebug,
    While your sentiment is correct that Mike Ashley is draining the club, he in no way takes out most of the revenue for SD or MASH Holdings. Rights have been granted to SD, and benefits derived from advertising are gained by SD, but in no way do revenues generated by the club go to SD. 64% of turnover pays wages, so to say he take “most” out is ludicrous.

    Sing in the Corner is correct that things are twisted to knock Pardew. The same is true of Ashley. The simple fact is that we don’t need to twist anything, both have done enough that is detrimental to the club without having to try and bash them with untrue statements.

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  • MidlandsMag

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:12 AM

    Comment #19

    That’s fine Papiss but if we go into the Championship, will you be there with us? I doubt it.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:15 AM

    Comment #20

    As for Papiss’s comments, if it doesn’t help the team how come our biggest home win of last season was with the back drop of abuse to Pardew… And how come we have come back twice in our two of our last 3 league games with talk of protests and some action. Seems odd that we have been more successful with protests if these protests are damaging to the team.

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  • firebug666

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:19 AM

    Comment #21

    Lilongwe Geordie

    SD have total control over all merchandising for Newcastle United, Every shirt, scarf or mug sold is sold by SD and therefore all profits belong to SD. All advertising space is given to SD for free. The money from just these two is getting nowhere near Newcastle United.

    We had to sell players to by players after reportedly making a £9 million profit and having never touched any TV money.

    Point is they (Sports Defect) are STEALING money out of the club and give us nothing in return. 64% of what is left pays the wages.

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  • firebug666

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:26 AM

    Comment #22

    It is my firm belief that Ashley operates Newcastle United the same way he operates his tat shops.

    Giving Newcastle a monthly float to run with and create a budget from. What will be interesting is to see what the accounts say this year.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:31 AM

    Comment #23

    Firebug,
    Total control over merchandising is not taking revenue out of the club though. Nor is giving advertising space. As I said, rights are granted and benefit is derived from advertising, but not revenue out of the club.

    We don’t have to sell to buy, we just do. There is the payment for merchandise storage that goes to SD, other than that there is nothing to say that revenue goes from the club to SD.

    How are they “stealing” money?

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:34 AM

    Comment #24

    Firebug,
    Gives Newcastle a monthly float?? You mean sets a budget, and planned expenditure, the same as any well run business?

    What do you think will make these accounts any different from last years, or the year before? I imagine this year will show a substantial profit, which will be ring fenced for the new training complex.

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  • Toon-Prodigy

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:35 AM

    Comment #25

    The situation is diabolical.

    The club is either going backwards under Ashley’s ownership or standing still as all his profit seeking endeavours and gambles ruin the club year after year. It’s impossible to progress and build as a club under this structure. The Premier League is just too competitive for it, other teams are spending everything they earn throughout a season, we do not.

    We are never at our best and trying as we should be as a football club, we are always playing catch up and that is only when it suits Mike Ashley, not when it may benefit the football club. Even if we may be desperate.

    There is a huge lack of care and consideration for the footballing side of the club. It’s neglected for me, I think that is a fair thing to say. All these signings all at once just because we have to, buying lower quality players to the ones we ship out for half of the money made.

    It’s pathetic.

    I mentioned yesterday about the players being sh1t. What I meant by that was that for me they are mid-table players, this is all. Having a team full of “potentially” good players is not enough for this league, by that I mean these foreign imports, especially when you are trying to fit multiple players in at a time. There is no leadership, just alot of individuals. There is no balance. Very little experience on the field, alot of newcomers at a time. Better players being let go. The structure is flawed, it’s only purpose is to make money, not make us a better football team.

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  • Mister Tuff

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:41 AM

    Comment #26

    It was expalined at the Fans Forum following a query about the sum of £500,000 (or thereabouts) going from NUFC to SD. The club explained that it was for the purchase of shirts/merchandise as it would be cheaper as they (SD) could bulk buy and cover wharehousing costs. It would seem a logical step to maximise profits. Unfortunately we have not seen any evidence/accounts showing the fruits of this arrangement coming back to NUFC. Note when you buy a shirt from the club shop it is clear you are buying from SD not NUFC. This whole area needs further explanations and as it stands it shows money going from NUFC to SD – with no evidence of any benefits backover to NUFC. Money is going from the club to SD -they admit it -check out the forum minutes.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:43 AM

    Comment #27

    Prodigy,
    I agree that the squad isn’t equipped to challenge at the top of the table, and the blame for that lies predominantly with Ashley. However, a squad of mid table players should be mid table, not in the relegation spots, so Pardew is failing in a way that will be more detrimental to the club and Ashley, then Ashley is to the club and Pardew.

    Don’t get me wrong, Ashley has sapped the club of spirit, of ambition, and we would be far better off without him here, but the team in place are far better then the results Pardew is achieving. At some point, Ashley will need to realise this, or accept that his investment will never bring him substantial returns.

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  • firebug666

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:46 AM

    Comment #28

    Lilongwe Geordie

    Go to Newcastle’s Official shop and buy something, anything you want, and then look at you receipt.

    A few weeks ago someone on here posted that the people working in the official shop are now working for SD and that the pay statements are from SD.

    Sorry mate but Newcastle get’s nothing from sale of good anymore it is all SD.

    They are stealing money simply because the give nothing to the club, share nothing with the club, and simply just take from the club.

    Ashley said it himself didn’t he?

    When asked about the relationship between Newcastle and SD he replied, “It is beneficial to Sports Direct and their shareholders”.

    As for the free advertising. If that was sold to them or any other company we would get revenue from it, but it’s not sold it is given freely and we get nothing. Newcastle United owes no allegiance to SD, so why should the get anything from us, Mike Ashley is quite simply stealing money from the club for his other business.

    It was reported that the money for the advertising comes from the interest on the loan Ashley made to the club (himself) of £129 million. The Ashley loan that never gets paid of, but this is not a loan from SD is it?

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:48 AM

    Comment #29

    Tuff,
    One payment. Buying from the club shop is the rights to merchandising. It is different from revenue coming to the club and going to SD. I agree it would be far better if NUFC were getting the money, same with sales of advertising, but that doesn’t demonstrate “most” of the revenues going to SD or MASH Holdings which is what Firebug stated was happening.

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  • catchy in norway

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:50 AM

    Comment #30

    how much of a revolt does there have to be to get him out .

    Alan Pardews greed for his pay off will end up getting someone hurt.

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  • Mister Tuff

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:50 AM

    Comment #31

    The never reducing loan from Mr Tubbs – is maintained as a tax reducing scam (although legal) for Tubbs benefit and not the clubs.

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  • Mister Tuff

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:54 AM

    Comment #32

    LG – perhaps no evidence (at the moment) of “most” money going to SD, but the principal has been admitted -so who knows what else is going there -currently we have not got a clue.
    At that I’ll have to dash and will be back tonight.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:55 AM

    Comment #33

    Firebug,
    I have said they have been given rights to merchandising. I also said they derive the benefit from free advertising.

    I’m not sure why you bring the loan into this, it is a totally separate thing. It has been claimed on here that the advertising services the interest on the loan, but nobody from the club has said this.

    Again though, none of this is taking most of the revenue out of the club for SD or MASH Holdings. Beneficial to Sports Direct and its shareholders, of course it is – does it imply stealing or that most of the NUFC revenues go to SD? No.

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  • WestOzMag

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:58 AM

    Comment #34

    Protesters and militants not good for the team says cisse yet he was being his own militant self by refusing to wear a wonga top and disrupting the club because of his stance on money lenders.

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  • mindshaft

    Oct 6, 2014 at 8:05 AM

    Comment #35
  • firebug666

    Oct 6, 2014 at 8:18 AM

    Comment #36

    Lilongwe Geordie

    Maybe I should just agree with the expert then, but all this is opinion.

    So where does the money go?

    Advertising Hoardings = Sports Direct

    Newcastle receive no money for this at it is allegedly paid for from the interest on a loan Mike Ashley gave the club he owns. The loan never gets paid.

    Mechanising = SD they hold all the cards now, the have the rights to any and all merchandise pertaining to Newcastle United, and even run the official shop.

    Assets once belonging to the club = Mash Holdings, Ashley’s company is selling off these assets and claim they now belong to Mash Holdings.

    TV revenue = ???????? Who knows as we never hear anything of it.

    Money from Player sales = Buy new players

    Other income Including matchday gates etc ??? Bills maybe.

    So as I said SD gives this club Nothing, Zero, Ziltch but they take plenty out of the club. Legalised Theft imo.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Oct 6, 2014 at 8:28 AM

    Comment #37

    Firebug,
    You do realise that if the advertising were claimed to be servicing the interest from the loan, then the loan wouldn’t go down anyway as it is servicing interest, not repaying the loan itself. However, as I said before that it has never been claimed that this is the case, other than by people on here looking to defend Ashley’s use of free advertising.

    Nothing in your post suggests that SD take most of the revenue from the club though. We made a profit in the last published accounts, and that remained in the club. It wasn’t withdrawn by anyone. We will make a profit again in the upcoming published accounts, I’d imagine somewhere in the regions of £30million. The most likely use of this is the new training facility.

    For the assets transferred to MASH Holdings, I know of the land above the metro. What else has been? There may well be more, but I don’t know on this issue.

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  • Mag52

    Oct 6, 2014 at 8:30 AM

    Comment #38

    Toon Prodigy @ 25

    You make a good point about the continual changes of team personnel.
    When the players whose value has substantially increased ( i.e. the best players) are sold and a bunch of new players, usually with little or no experience of premiership football, are bought in, it has got to make a manager’s job an absolute nightmare, especially when some of the new intake are probably not going to make it in this league anyway and were bought because they were either cheap, or problem players with their previous club, or young (with ‘potential’).
    Pardew makes mistakes, but why these factors are not considered by his detractors beats me.

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  • firebug666

    Oct 6, 2014 at 8:39 AM

    Comment #39

    Lilongwe Geordie

    I don’t know for sure either, but this is a club that is without any outside assets anymore.

    If Ashley and his SD paid the club what they owe, how much better would our profit margin have been?

    OK maybe not most of the money, I’ll concede that, but they take a fair amount between them money that could have maybe brought in some better players or decent defenders.

    At the end of the day Ashley & SD are taking money out of this club and giving nothing back, and the money is not peanuts either.

    If I was to amend my original post it would be “Ashley & SD are legally stealing large amounts of money from the club annually and offer us nothing but contempt in return.

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  • Ericles

    Oct 7, 2014 at 8:07 AM

    Comment #40

    Consider how good you can be for the team before you start lecturing us fans. Are you another player forgetting who pays his wages through the turn-styles and season tickets? Get real!

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