Things Can Be Tough – Even Bobby Had Some Dark Days Here


It looks like John Carver has told Alan Pardew about some of the bad times even the great Sir Bobby Robson had at Newcastle – there weren’t too many – but more about that later –  during his five year reign at his home town club, with John being Bobby’s assistant manager at that time.

sir bobby robson john carver

Sir Bobby Robson and John Carver – circa 2001

This is what Alan said after the game yesterday:

“It is Halloween! Bobby Robson had some dark days here, don’t worry about that. If you are Newcastle manager, it is not all gin and tonics and aperitifs. There will be rough days.”

“I always knew, and I kept saying it, that we have good spirit and good talent. I am not saying I saw the wins coming, but I knew there was talent.”

“Our fans are brilliant. It will be fantastic in the town tonight – I might even go in myself, the first time for a while.” “That is what this city is about. It breathes and loves football.”

“When it does not go well, they let you know, and when it is going well, they let you know. You take the good with the bad.”

Bobby had a tough second season at Newcastle, and after literally saving Newcastle from relegation in his first season –   we finished 11th with 52 points in 2000 –  the next season we finished 11th with 51 points – so on the face of it – there didn’t look to be too much progress made.

But we had injuries that season, including Alan Shearer being out for a long time.

But Bobby knew what he was doing,  and in the next three seasons we finished 4th (71 points), 3rd (69 points) and 5th (56 points) before Sir Bobby was fired. 🙁

Of course Alan Pardew’s record hardly compares with that of the great one, and in yesterday’s fourth win in a row the truth is that after an hour played yesterday, it was really anybody’s game.

But it was Newcastle who forced the issue, and we got the all  important goal through Ayoze Perez (what – again) after 73 minutes – a good opportunist goal from the 21 year-old striker.

And after that – if anything – we could have scored one or two more goals – and Newcastle contained Liverpool rather easily to get all 3 points.

Bottom line – it was another great win for Newcastle –  and we bet the Toon was rocking last night – as it was quite often, when Sir Bobby Robson was the manager.

And to think we never even mentioned Kevin Keegan and the Entertainers. 😀

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74 comments so far

  • Dennis Twice

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #1

    Attack Toon attack attack!

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  • WWSBRD

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #2

    Does like to compare himself with Sir Bobby doesn’t he? Shame he’s so clearly far from that standard in every way

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #3

    Lets not be too complacent or get Cocky eh ? The Seasons not over, not by a long chalk !

    It would only take one loss to bring us all back down to Planet Earth !

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  • Byker Boy

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:27 AM

    Comment #4

    A manager lives and dies by results, Pardew has been resurrected it might only be for a brief period but hey this is The Toon we are talking about owt can happen !

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  • 70TWO

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:29 AM

    Comment #5

    Same old same old
    Relying on a single piece of good fortune to win the match in the last 20 minutes.
    Well done to all the lads on the pitch for getting a win, especially Abeid and a great save from Krul.
    Will need to improve the quality of the performance in order to consistently compete for the whole season. Only then will I review my attitude towards P45due.

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  • Graeme

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:32 AM

    Comment #6

    SBR proved himself a winner, in several clubs, in several countries and managed England.

    By comparison, Pardew has won nothing, anywhere.

    Maybe Pardew will go on to bring success to NUFC and win the FA Cup or something, which will make him a legend – until then though, he has proved nothing and has it all to do!!

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  • kakaobi

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:33 AM

    Comment #7

    I’m sorry but didn’t pardew do the same at West Ham blame the fans and players when results were bad but when results were good compair himself with legends the mans an arseh@le I wont forgive him for blaming the fans we pay our money and only want to support our team and watch decent football

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:33 AM

    Comment #8

    Pardew, if you want to get the fans back on side stop comparing your tenure to Sir Bobby’s

    He’s a different league and you’ll do nout but p1ss the fans off

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  • tequilamag

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:37 AM

    Comment #9

    WWSBRD not sure he was comparing himself to SBR ability wise. But as your user name is a question I think SBR would not be advocating slating the manager for everything he says., especially as SBR was the master of the verbal gaffe himself.. I actually thing SBR would be supportive of the manager.

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  • expatmag

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #10

    I dont actually see any problems with his comments at all. People with a clear dislike are assuming inferences which are not there.

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  • The next Mike Williamson

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #11

    He thinks he’s a genius because after 100 odd games he’s reverted back to attacking football and the 4-3-3 that everybody has been saying would work for years. Also he’s finally dropped Gouffran & Anita and got lucky that Williamson got injured and that he’s been forced to eventually play Sissoko through the middle. Although a better manager would have done all this a long long time ago.

    Pardew’s like the kid who is last in class for the penny to drop, but when it finally drops in his thick skull, he acts like he’s smarter than everyone else.

    If we’d played 4-3-3 last year with attacking intent then Ben Arfa would have tore the league up.

    The fact that he’s finally doing what we said and it’s working shows what an idiot he’s been for the last 2 and a half years. Now he just needs to realise Haidara is a better LB & Cabella is better than Obertan, and to give Armstrong some game time.

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:49 AM

    Comment #12

    Whilst on Pardew….

    Where’s all this back Pardew sh1te come from?

    Do 4 wins negate the fact that the fans had every right to voice there concerns and level there criticisms of him and his performance over the last couple of seasons, more specifically the year of 2014 which his record would be enough for any fan OR board member at ANY club at any level to demand/take action against the management

    No fan should have to apologise for voicing very very real concerns about the direction the club was heading based on results through 2014

    Sadly though, especially on this blog apparently, you can’t simply say well done lads but there’s still work to be done and it’s far too early to singing praises
    It’s one extreme or the other

    Your either berated by the Catchy’s of the world for crediting turn arounds in players ala Obertan/Sammy etc and labeled a Pardew sympathiser
    Or
    Your berated by the likes of Manx, who instead of just celebrating a win seems to think anyone who has had the audacity to criticise any member of the coaching staff/playing staff/catering staff/window cleaners/kit man/ball boy/programme seller should immediately name and shame themselves as a Mackem and nail there colours well and truly to the Pardew is king camp

    Either way neither of these “camps” actually seem capable of just enjoying a win based solely on the match and seem qualified to tell us who are fans

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  • beermonkey

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:49 AM

    Comment #13

    results wise not been a bad week or 2
    Liverpool match was never gonna be a classic there not firing on all cylinders yet and I think we frustrated them a bit, and I don’t care what keown says about not wanting to see that type of thing jaanmat flooring baloteli was funny and I bet most that saw it had a chuckle

    the next 4 games for me are bigger than the last 2
    west brom
    qpr
    west ham
    burnley

    these are teams were supposed to be beating or competing against
    west ham will be difficult they are flying

    would like to see cabella come in for obertan although I do believe Aarons has played on the right
    also riviere can play wide in a 3
    also is it me or does Sammy seem to be better come off the bench than when he starts

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  • magscar

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:50 AM

    Comment #14

    REPOST from last thread he’d moved on before I had finished again!

    Good article Ed.

    A month is a long time in Football but who would have realised how long 6 days was. This time last week I was trying to be optimistic about the coming week and settling(hoping) for 2 PL points and a feisty performance in Cup but going out with no shame.

    Now I am wanting WBA game on today can’t come quick enough.

    Our recent stats since our visit to Swansea have made a bit of a mess of the (clever) banner that appeared that day DWWWW.

    Speaking of stats to those who are possessed by possession stats and the story they tell of our recent wins this data is a recent phenomina like how far players have run etc. Back in the day there was only ever one bit of data that counted and that was the score.

    Don’t get me wrong I have absolutely nothing wrong with this information being available ( indeed Pardew makes big use of it) but does the possession percentage really tell the truth of a game?

    In out last 3 games Pardew set up as he usually does against the supposed better sides but with 2 essential differences we pressed in our half and up front in an extemely determined and organised way and with pace to burn invited that pressure to give us genuine threat on break. Much of the possession can arise in some games from the passing across back 4 into midfield across field again back to full back and repeat. That is surprisingly common as less direct incisive teams exercise patience and probe for openings. Perhaps we need a stat that describes effective possession!

    Liverpool miss Sturridge but he didn’t pull out just before KO and Rogers (highly thought of manager that he is ) has had plenty of time and options at his disposal to come with another formation. He seemed to come up with a hotpotch and did vary it when they couldn’t find any effective penetration but to no avail. Mind you I was glad he left Sterling out on wing rather than in behind Balotelli even though I was initially worried about Dummett against him (totally unecessarily!). In all of those stats which team had the most clearcut chances and cause most excitement – just as with score only us I think.

    Pardew made some brave decisions yesterday and deserves praise for that even if begrudgingly by some who believe he only did so because of campaign against him. BTW perhaps we saw some of Pardew’s mind games ( must of spoken to his mate Mourinho) saying that he knew Brendan’s team which made him change his plan! Pool fans don’t seem to happy with his set up’s of late on their message boards.

    But far more lies ahead this month with apparently easier games in prospect and we need to keep our shape and pressing game but hopefully see a lot more of our attacking threat.

    Don’t feel quite as desperate about November as this time last week but being NUFC we all know what … comes before a fall so keep up tyhe good work lads.

    Oh and despite the widely held (and my own) views of Obertan I am genuinely disappointed if he is injured for a while as he has changed and did carry a threat down the right. A definite squad player who can make a difference in certain (stages of) games

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:51 AM

    Comment #15

    Hang on a Minute !

    The piece above talks about a comparison made by Jon Carver about the good and bad Times experienced by Sir Bobby in his tenure at Newcastle !

    I,v seen all the after match comment and have not heard on any of them where Pardew compares or even mentions Sir Bobby in any of them !

    Pardew could,nt hold a candle up to the Great Man ever !

    So this whole thread is just going to wind up so many People on here and should be treated just for what it is :

    BULL…………. !

    If i did,nt know any better i would think someone is trying to Wind you all up !

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  • toonincheek

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #16

    T A D S @12

    Yes.

    And welcome back.

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  • expatmag

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #17

    Beer

    Exactly right. We will actually see how tactically astute Pardew is in these games.

    I can understand to a certain extent giving the majority of possession against the likes of City and Liverpool to the opposition and using pace and power on the counter attack.

    However, these next 4 teams are the ones we should be taking more of the initiative against, even if 3 of these games are away from home.

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  • Douglas

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #18

    To be sold if the price is right:
    Krul, Tiote, Gouffy, Wilco, Anita.
    We have already bought replacements for Krul and Wiko, we already have replacements for the others. 30 mil in. With good buying we could have a very strong group after January

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #19

    WW…
    Scathing.

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  • WWSBRD

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #20

    tequila
    I don’t appreciate Pardew throwing names around to support himself. Sir Bobby was a gentleman and ur probably right he would of supported Pardew in public but I bet it would break his heart to watch the football Pardew has us playing week in week out

    As for slating him for everything he’s says…I haven’t

    And yeah bobby made a few gaffs with people’s names don’t recall him doing the dirty with his players wife’s or head butting players…or having petty arguments with other managers or just in general being an embarrassment on a regular basis

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  • WWSBRD

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #21

    JfA
    I do like to attract attention mate…not quite sure what I did this time though? Felt I was being tame really

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  • beermonkey

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #22

    expatmag

    didn’t see enough of sissoko yesterday bursting towards and into the box with the ball no suprises when he did we scored we need to let him loose a bit more in the next few games let him drive at teams

    Chelsea not at the races yest but look how hard they worked and closed down players to get the ball back we need to do more of that

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  • tequilamag

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #23

    WWSBRD are you not using SBR name to support your argument by your choice of username? I don`t find that offensive.
    He was illustrating a point that all managers at Newcastle get flak. It comes with the job. I don`t think that is any doubt. The stick SBR get before he was sacked was stomach churning fro a lot of fans. Too old out of touch not capable of bringing discipline to the players.
    If he came out and said he was as good or better than SBR I would agree but his comments were not of that sort

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  • expatmag

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #24

    WW

    Whilst I am not a Pardew supporter in any way, I do feel that people are misunderstanding these references to SBR.

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #25

    Beer monkey
    Spot on
    The next 4 fixtures will give us a true idea of whether or not we’ve turned the corner as a club
    Great result against Liverpool, great result against Citeh
    Great turnaround vs Spuds but a dire opening 45, the kind of 45 minutes we simply cannot accept
    And a win against Leicester that we made very very hard work of, and that’s the fixture that stands out as that is the fixture are next 4 are likely to be similar too
    West brom
    Qpr
    West ham
    Burnley
    There should be at least 8 points there as a realistic target, we’ll see

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #26

    @20:

    Nobody says here Pardew is a Saint! At a lot of Clubs around he would of been sacked jonks ago ! We are stuck with him so you may as well get used to it !

    Pardew,s his name i would never use in the same sentence as the Great Man !

    If anyone has ever dared to attempt such a thing then shame on them !

    Don,t believe everything on here is true, a lot of it is C – – P !
    ( RA ) !

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  • Bambams

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #27

    Interesting viewing on Sky Sports Sunday Supplement.
    One of the scribes John Richardson states he is no longer banned from SJP and seemed to suggest after speaking/contact with now Lee Charnley that Ash will sell up and move lock stock and barrel to Rangers- believing Rangers are a bigger ‘ Brand’.
    He added it is his belief Ash would listen to offers now ! Also states Pards peers really rate him as a manager.

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  • expatmag

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #28

    Beer

    Agree with regard to Sissoko. I actually thought it was a penalty in the first half when he was brought down by Allen. His recent performances gave resulted in goals at Spurs City and again yesterday.

    I also think we will miss Obertan as he has also been responsible for several goals/dangerous scenarios in recent games.

    Imagine what we would be like with a Sheareresque centre forward in his prime?

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  • tequilamag

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #29

    Bambams lol is he trying to get himself barred again?

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #30

    It’s also a bit strange that that you can’t take in “view obscuring banners that interrupt other fans experience” sack Pardew banners but the stewards allow “view obscuring banners that interrupt other fans experience” back Pardew banners…..

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  • expatmag

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #31

    Bambam

    I will believe it when i see it mate

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  • beermonkey

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #32

    tads

    yeah I think 7/8 points is realistic we need to take the game to these teams though and as a minimum perform for 80 90 mins not a second half or the last 20 mins

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #33

    Beer monkey
    Exactly
    Will be a big test for Pardew, the fans will be expecting a full 90 minutes performance and a rejuvenated squad throwing everything at the opposition

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #34

    If Pardew wins a cup or starts playing decent football while qualifying for EL we can say well done Alan we were wrong about you, however if he gets smug enough to start with the ‘For Sale’ patter and we’re vulnerable approaching the next window before it goes spectacularly wrong again then nothings changed.

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  • Novocastrian66

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:37 AM

    Comment #35

    I would have been happy with two points from the last two matches. To get six is sensational.
    I have to say that people who think that the Pardew out campaign hasn’t had any affect are wrong. Pardew has changed how we are set up, he has more pace in the team. He has put Sissoko into a more central role and instead of being on the periphery of the game for long periods he is having a greater influence on the game.

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  • beermonkey

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #36

    tads

    sometimes it don’t happen for you but as long as we try for 90 mins and get a draw at least we have tried

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #37

    Novo,
    He might have even asked around for advice.

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #38

    @27:

    Heh, if Ashley sells up and moves to Glasgow he may well take Pardew with him !

    But i doubt if the Financial side of the game in Scotland is as Lucrative as it is in England ? He would be involved in the CL with Rangers after getting them back up to where they belong, of course !

    But like you say, believe it when it happens ?

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  • beermonkey

    Nov 2, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #40

    santon

    change the names and it could have been posted on here lol

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