Newcastle Fans – Think Of This And Be Happy


Alan Pardew has said we are in a decent position in the Premier League table right now, and he’s right about that, since we still have 23 points from our first 17 games, and that’s only 4 points less than we had after 17 games, when we finished 5th top back in 2012.

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Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers

If we can get some of our 9 injured players back in January from the treatment room they’ve been in for the last few months, we should even be able to field a strong side in the second half of the season.

That’s even though we will be losing Cheick Tiote, Mehdi Abeid and Papiss Cisse to the African Cup of Nations.

But if Geordie fans are feeling sorry for themselves this morning after our fourth successive defeat to Sunderland  – we have a remedy –  just think how Liverpool fans are feeling this morning.

Yesterday Liverpool just managed to avoid defeat at home to Arsenal, when Martin Skrtel equalized in the 7th minute of stoppage time to get a 2-2 draw and one point.

At that time they were down to 10 men after former Sunderland striker Fabio Borini had managed to get himself sent off five minutes earlier for a second yellow card.

Liverpool have never won the Premier League, but last season they were top of the league with just three games to play.

In their final three games of the season they lost 2-0 at home to Chelsea – that’s the game Jose Mourinho was wasting time by shielding the ball from Steven Gerrard, as he tried to take a quick throw-in.

They then drew 3-3 at Crystal Palace after being 3-0 up with 11 minutes to play, and then they beat Newcastle 2-1 at home.

But who didn’t beat us at that time, and it was the only game Liberpool won of the last three – but it was too late.

And Manchester City pipped them by two points to the Premier League Title.

So where are they in the league today?

Liverpool are one point behind Newcastle with 22 points from their first 17 games played in 10th place.

That’s after getting a massive 84 points last season with a goal difference of +51.

At the moment their goal difference is -3,  just two goals better off than Newcastle.

And where were Liverpool last season after the same 17 games played?

They were top of the league with 36 points and a goal difference of +23 – and one point clear of both Manchester City and Arsenal.

Liverpool also failed to qualify for the knock-out rounds of the Champions League this season.

And don’t forget that Liverpool’s American owners – Fenway Sports Group – have pledged to restore Liverpool to their former greatness.

And that’s very different to the Newcastle owner, and we we are continually reminded by the manager that we can no longer compete with the top clubs in England, because we wont spend the money to get top players to the club.

So Newcastle fans will not be feeling too good today – but probably better than a lot of Liverpool fans.

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26 comments so far

  • Transfer Sage

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:25 AM

    Comment #1

    Brendon Rodgers has shown himself up this year. Bought badly and not changed his system until one week ago to suit the players he had available.

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  • Our Toon

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:25 AM

    Comment #2

    Armstrong like many youngsters at our club get massively over hyped. He’s decent and may well develop into a half decent championship player, I’ve seen nothing to indicate he’s going to be very good….unlike Aarons!! The step up from youth level to senior level is massive, that’s why many talented youngsters struggle to make that step.

    I hope I’m wrong but I’ve not seen 1 game where the lad has come on and had a very good affect. One could argue Palace in the cup but is this lad really one of the best we have coming through? If he is then it doesn’t say much for the others.

    Hibbit

    Cisse isn’t fit? He has a little pain in his knee but the lad is fit, he will be sold in January which is probably why this nonsense of not fit is coming up.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:28 AM

    Comment #3

    Our toon

    What about Spurs? Arma came on and had a couple really good chances which were well saved and made clever runs to make space.

    Remember he’s getting his chance when the team is playing badly, it’s hard to make an impact on those situations for even good players.

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  • Our Toon

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:30 AM

    Comment #4

    TS

    You say cisse scores when the game is stretched, Swansea away we we losing both times before he got equalisers, Burnley away another game he started he got the goal when they were leading. Hull game he got the equaliser and the winner, Chelsea first goal was it was 0-0 game wasn’t stretched. As for Armstrong he missed a very good chance against Spurs, instead of using his left foot he went for a awkward right foot punt which rolled back to Vorm. Can you please explain why the hype is justified?

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  • martoon

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:32 AM

    Comment #5

    Transfer Sage – I agree with you I thought Armstrong looked quite decent when he came on. He was getting in good positions and worked the keeper. He certainly did more than Cisse who, despite what posters say, is obviously not fit for whatever reason be it his knee or illness.

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  • beermonkey

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:33 AM

    Comment #6

    ourtoon

    arma came on at 60 mins I think if cisse aint fit for the last 30 of a match he shouldn’t be on the bench

    cisse should have been first sub goofy shouldn’t be anywhere near the team let alone starting yet there he was starting

    I am sceptical whether certain players had colds illness as I think we threw the cup game

    sage

    pardew keeps playing systems that don’t suit the players, players out of position
    when the system suits and players in the right positions we win

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  • Transfer Sage

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:36 AM

    Comment #7

    Our toon

    Because armstrong looks a very good talent for his age, I’m not saying he is the finished article but he is a good option from the bench given the players we have.

    You seem to be forgetting a fair few of armstrong a chances, remember him having a few good shots and assists in the cup, against Spurs he did well, just wide From 30 yards (had no options around him), clever running and hit one across goal left footed which perez nearly got but vorm stretched to save.

    It’s not just goals though, he makes good runs, pulls defenders away to let others get through. Remember how little time he has had in the first team, much less than rivi and gouff and already offered more than they have. Give him time, people want instant success these days, let the lad develop.

    As for cisse, all those goals except the burnley one were on the counter, so yes the game was stretched. Cisse is a goal threat but unpredictable and offers little else, if he’s up top alone (which is how pardew plays) he doesn’t do enough to bring others in and we haven’t got the players anymore like cabaye to find those clever runs he makes.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:36 AM

    Comment #8

    Err, why on earth would Liverpool’s plight be of comfort to NUFC fans?

    Our Toon,
    Pardew said Cisse would have to be carefully managed due to his knee issues. Cisse has said he isn’t fully fit. Absolutely no chance he will be sold in January.

    As for Arma, give your head a shake mate. He is 17, Harry Kane didn’t even make his Spurs debut until he was 20. The kid should be out on loan somewhere, learning his trade, not being plunged into the Premier league. He offers better movement than most of our strikers, he makes himself available and makes intelligent runs. Absolutely laughable that people are knocking the kid after a handful of substitute appearances. Perez didn’t get a game at a second tier Spanish side until last season when he was 19. Arma is 17 and you are writing him off?

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  • Ibizatoon

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:41 AM

    Comment #9

    Well, has anyone hit the panic button yet?

    I could try and point out that it’s been typical of Sunderlands season long set up, that a draw or close score was on the cards, even Chelsea failed to break them down, but the fans feelings aren’t from this one encounter.

    Pardew must really hate Poyet.

    Really not sure what comes next. I’d like to be bouyed by players returning from injury, but it seems we play better when we have limited options. Says it all really. Maybe we need someone tactically sound to go around and injuring players to stop Pardew picking them? Perhaps the best bit of recruitment the club could do- other than an ambitios owner and manager of course.

    Oh well, ho ho ho, merry Christmas everyone.

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  • Our Toon

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:41 AM

    Comment #10

    Martoon

    Working the keeper isn’t good enough mate, basics of shooting is to go across the keeper, Arma shot straight at there keeper just as he had done to Vorm midweek, lack of composure when in front of goal. He didn’t have the awareness of rolling the ball back to Sissoko who would have tapped it into an empty net.

    Armstrong is young but he hasn’t shown anything, is that 8 games now this season with 0 goals, cisse 7 goals in 11 games. If we won pards would have hailed his decision making, he took a gamble bringing on a local youngster to please the masses because I think he thought that we’ll win without Cisse and it’ll prove how good he is as a manager. Some fall for the same tricks over and over again.

    The lack of interest shown by cisse when he came on says it all to me, a bloke who is probably trying to work out exactly why a 17 year old Is getting ahead of him

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  • beermonkey

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:43 AM

    Comment #11

    Lilongwe

    there looking to fast track England players I know the defender we have out onloan has been training with the full England team in recent breaks
    and the way the press speak about Armstrong he is on the one to watch list I would think

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  • Ibizatoon

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #12

    As for Liverpool, i’m not sure what joy there is to be taken from them.

    Most people knew that a lot of their success was due to having one of the most inform, albeit hungry players in world football, Suarez.

    I suppose they do highlight how spending loads of money, being ambitious, etc, doesn’t equal success.If anything, this comparison just makes it less likely that Ashley will look to change anything. I mean, we could end up doing a Liverpool….

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  • Mag52

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #13

    Kimbo (previous post)

    Agreed. We need a striker. A big or small striker, as long as he can put the ball in the net. We had the whole of the summer transfer window to pick one up, and who did we end up with ? Rivi, Chucky (about whom the less said the better) and Perez, who, although not really a striker, has done his best and certainly knows where the goal is.
    The blame for this must rest squarely on the shoulders of MA and not on Pardew.
    As long as penny pinching is the name of the game, we can forget about getting the players that this club needs to bring the long overdue success we all crave.

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  • nut meg

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #14

    Lilo
    You just beat me to it regarding the criticism of young Armstrong on here. It makes me think these posters wouldn’t know a promising player if one kicked them in the head.They should start acting their age and not their shoesize IMHO.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #15

    Ed think of no pardew and then be happy.

    Sissoko looks nailed on to go now. who would blame him? Leaving a perennial mid-lower order chancer to go to CL contenders with a great manager.

    Sad thing is yesterday wasn’t even much of a surprise.

    What is the point having a manager who occasionally stumbles on a decent formula only to in the next instance blow it all sky high.

    4 straight defeats to sunderland (say it slowly) should have meant the end for AP finally but it won’t even cause a ripple. Nobody seems to even care that much any more.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #16

    Lil

    Fully agree with you. Very players have any impact at that age, arma is probably doing more than most. The fact he scores a good amount at all other levels shows he knows where the back of the net is.

    As you say he should be on loan but needs must as the club haven’t got a striker. Cisse isn’t fit, rivi is pants, perez looks good but also only young and learning his trade in a new league as part of a team that doesn’t function too well.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #17

    nut meg

    i certainly wasn’t slating armstrong, just his one awful and selfish error of judgement.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:50 AM

    Comment #18

    Mag

    Agree there, need a goal scorer who stays fit. We bought two attacking mids in cabella and de Jong for good money and wasted 6mil on rivière. We should have used the cash from cabella and rivière (or other money from tv deals we must have) to buy a solid 15/20mil forward who is ready made.

    Goal scorers can get you points even if the team they are in isn’t very good.

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  • Our Toon

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #19

    Lads I know he’s young, I get it. He hasn’t transferred any promise onto the pitch. Kane was playing for a team that buys Strikers for a lot of money. He’s doing well or them at present, we are very different to Spurs though.

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  • Our Toon

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM

    Comment #20

    Not long ago Vuckic was the one to watch, plenty raved about Campbell aswell!! Very few make that step up!!

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  • Rotonda heights

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #21

    Mag 52

    we talk about penny pinching but we have 24M invested in Anita, Cabella, Rivi doing sweet fa!!

    Add that to the likes of Marveaux, Benny, MYM, Chucky and others, the question is, is the scouting poor or can the manger not get the best out for them?

    In which case why keep buying more players who are only going to fail under someone with an extremely one dimensional coaching repertoire.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Dec 22, 2014 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #22

    Rotonda

    In fairness though most clubs have the same problem. You do well if half your signings make a lasting impression.

    I think with us it’s a bit of both. Can clearly see pardew has little say in who comes in as we buy players in positions we don’t need and do not strengthen areas where we have needed to for years.

    I think pardew struggled to get the best from players but when given players he doesn’t need it isn’t helpful. He can only play so many central midfielders, it seems to be all we buy.

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  • Our Toon

    Dec 22, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #23

    Promising players must do the basics, age is not an excuse for shooting straight at a keeper when even a 5 year old is taught to go across the keeper, age is not an excuse to be selfish and shoot when a senior player is in acres of space waiting for a tap in. The occasion got to young Armstrong and for that I blame the manager for throwing him on.

    Michael Chopra was also another lad that was raved about and he’s now playing in India. Promise means nothing, it has to be shown in games. The biggest problem with our (british) youngsters is that they think they’ve made it before they actually do anything!!

    Be honest lads has Armstrong lived up to your expectations? Has he justified all the hype?

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Dec 22, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #24

    Our Toon,
    No, Kane was out on loan at Leyton Orient in League 1, where he managed just 5 goals in 18 games. The club have caused this problem by signing a couple of poor strikers, and mismanaging Cisse’s recovery. The fact people are knocking Arma is ludicrous.

    Yes, he probably should have squared it to Sissoko, but Cisse wouldn’t have squared it either, and nor would the majority of centre forwards.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Dec 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM

    Comment #25

    Our toon

    How often do established top players hit the keeper, it happens. I’m sure he knows to go across just didn’t connect the way he wanted.

    I don’t think he saw sissoko, should have had his head up but was also a good chance for him to score, plenty do score from that position.

    He went across the keeper at Spurs so to say he doesn’t know to do this is laughable. Can persie was through one on one against villa in a similar position just opposite side of the box and he hit the keeper. Does that mean he doesn’t know how to finish?

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  • Rotonda heights

    Dec 22, 2014 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #26

    a positive attacking manger could achieve so much with this team, but I really fear the worst if Sissoko, Aarons etc leave.

    They will become far better players no doubt by leaving pardew and his nonsense, but yet again a huge opportunity will have been missed. Was it ever thus at SJP

    the day after losing to sunderland sucks so much

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