John Carver Being Brutally Honest – We Didn’t Deserve A Point


Newcastle caretaker manager John Carver told the truth after the game today, after Burnley had dominated the second half and hit the post or the bar four times in the game, and the Newcastle coach didn’t even think we deserved a point.

steve stone john carver on touchline

Steve Stone and John Carver on the touchline today

And we still nearly got all three points as the third Burnley equalizer came after 86 minutes but all Newcastle’s goals we conceded today were poor goals.

And in the last six game since Rob Elliot was injured, and Tim Krul has also been out, we have conceded 17 goals – so maybe next season we will have three experienced goalkeepers in the squad like most other clubs in the Premier League.

It’s been a tough baptism for Jak Alnwick – but it’s not his fault, and he didn’t get too much support from the back four today – and they looked all at sea.

This is what an honest John Carver said after the game today:

“I think we were a tad fortunate because in my eyes, after the second-half performance, I thought there was only one team going to win it.”

“If I can take one positive from it, it was the fact we didn’t lose the game. Never mind three points, we didn’t deserve a point. I’ve told the guys that and they know that – they’re very disappointed in there.”

” The unfortunate thing is we’ve got to pick up and go again in two days’ time.” “We’ve got some young lads in there who have had a lot of football over this Christmas period.”

“I’m not using that as an excuse because so have Burnley, and they’ve had a steady team over the last six or seven games.” “I just felt we couldn’t handle a different type of football against us.” I thought they were very, very direct and that’s an effective way to play.”

“That’s how they played against Man City and got a great result, they beat Southampton doing the same thing, so we know how they’re going to play and it’s effective. If that’s what gets Burnley survival for next year then that’s great.”

“There’s nothing better than being the main man and making decisions,” “But sometimes results make those decisions for you.”  “Only time will tell but  I will manage again.”

“Whether it’s sooner rather than later, or whether it’s here or somewhere else, but I’m looking forward to all the challenges that are coming in the New Year.”

That’s two draws we have got against Burnley this season, but if they keep playing like they did in the second half then Burnley should be able to pull away from the bottom three – although Hull City had a great 2-0 win at home to Everton – who have now lost six of their last eight Premier League games.

We’ll just have to wait and see what Mike Ashley does when he returns from Barbados next week – but in the January transfer window we need at least one  striker brought in and another center-back – now that Steven Taylor is out for the rest of the season with a ruptured Achilles.

Well – maybe we can win at Leicester City on Saturday afternoon, but they also had a great 2-2 draw at Liverpool today.

Did I mention that Chelsea were beaten at Tottenham 5-3 – the first time a Chelsea side managed by Jose Mourinho has conceded four goals or more.

We need to get that Harry Kane in the England side – two goals today and he looked awesome.

It’s been quite  day in the Premier League and finally – Sunderland lost 3-2 at Manchester City, after coming back to 2-2 – after being two goals down.

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249 comments so far

  • LGFUAD21

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:20 PM

    Comment #1

    Hang your head dummet and alnwick then swiftly pick yourself up.

    On manager for me it has to be Steve mcclaren or FDB. As it won’t be FDB until summer it looks like Mclaren.

    I have my doubts that mcclaren can fully manage a team but he’s always been renowned for his coaching ability which is what we need. He may struggle with the multicultural nature of our dressing room (something he cites as an issue with his time at Wolfsburg) but if he got involved with the youth set up we’d be bringing youngsters thought all the time.

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  • John Tudor

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:21 PM

    Comment #2

    but will you do anything about it like drop out of form players and not just try to emulate pardew

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  • Small World

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:23 PM

    Comment #3

    Plus points from today:
    =================

    For the first half Carver had the same group of payers who under Pardew would have been defensively set up, playing on the front foot. Goufran and Riviere, although not setting the world alight were improved. Rather strangely playing facing the opposition goal, rather than back to it.

    Perez and Sisoko yet again the stand out players (heaven help us either leave any time soon)

    Minus points: Where do I start?
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    1)Entire 2nd half playing without posing any threat

    2) Panicking in defence, Colo / Willo / Saylor way off the pace and of course an OG from Dummet. Janmaat, maybe the pick of a poor unit though often better in offence, and being caught out high up the field

    3) Tiote playing one of the worst games I’ve seen of a player in black and white. (My 1st game was 1973!)

    4) Total lack of leadership. In the latter stages of a game like today’s there is little a manager can do from the side lines. We needed a captain who could organise & rally the troops , making sure everybody stuck to their guns.

    5) Goalkeeping…. (I’ve said enough)

    ..now of for a beer and giving some serious thought as to whether or not tonight, I watch Match of the Day.

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  • geordie157

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:24 PM

    Comment #4

    Can we not approach de boer with a view to joining in the summer?

    Taylor being out is a blow, just hope it means Colo and dummett at centre back with santon or haidara at left back

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  • Wayayman

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:24 PM

    Comment #5

    Shocker of a 2nd half eh? Weird it took JC so long to spot the Bunley tactical change, especially as Colback and tiote could get near anyone to tackle them in the 2nd half. Brining Willo on then Hiadara at LM when Cabella was on the bench was just nuts, and I thought Riviere was starting to get into the game when he was hooked.

    Goufrann AGAIN?!? Just what the hell am I watching if that lad deserves a start for us?

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  • optimistic prime

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:25 PM

    Comment #6

    LGF

    He’s not intrested, supposedly.

    http://www.derby.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=382210

    Not that this says as much

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  • 9

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:25 PM

    Comment #7

    2 things in favour of McClaren: he’ll accept Mike Ashely’s wages, and he has a record of success.
    These are points that make appeal to our owner, rather than to us as fans, but we all know who gets to decide.

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  • Belfast

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:26 PM

    Comment #8

    There will be no players bought in this window. So don’t be getting your hopes up Edward.

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  • yo-yo

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:27 PM

    Comment #9

    Maclaren is a defnite upgrade on AP – his win % is much better, so is Moyes. Can’t think of any other UK born manager who would get us to about 45% win rate. Over a season either ought to get us another 9-11 pts on average. Style of play is another ball game as they say though

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  • Shadow_Shearer

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:29 PM

    Comment #10

    Next game is a cup game, which can only be a win or lose. So I think we will find out more about carver in the next game

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  • yo-yo

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:30 PM

    Comment #11

    Small World

    Do you think Colback might be able to do some of the on field leadership stuff ?
    Second half was dire – if Colo is our on pitch leader he just ain’t got it. If we’d had the substitutions to crowd the midfield 2nd half we might have been okay

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  • Mag52

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:31 PM

    Comment #12

    Poor result against Burnley, but early days in the new regime.

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  • martoon

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:36 PM

    Comment #13

    I really enoyed the first half, despite the own goal we played well and looked like we could score quite a few goals. As others have mentioned we didn’t react to Burnley’s formation change in the second half but what really turned the game was taking off Riviere – he was a good outlet holding the ball up and laying it off. We lost this when he went off and had no outball and quite frankly Armstrong looked lost. Bringing on Haidara at left wing was also a disaster.

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  • Small World

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:38 PM

    Comment #14

    RE: yo-yo // Jan 1, 2015 at 8:30 PM

    Somebody needs to step up and make themselves captain. In other words be the voice, be the organiser and make sure that manager has no choice but to appoint them. Colo isn’t the guy, though I’d prefer if it was some (new) hairy arsed 6ft 5 centre half.

    Yep, crowding the midfield would have been a good idea we were being over-run for the entire 2nd half. If Mourinho had been our manager he would have hauled Tiote off within 15-20 mins of start. Of course he would also have a replacement on the bench – which realistically we didn’t. aaaaargh!!

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  • Mag52

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:40 PM

    Comment #15

    Why should McClaren leave Derby, riding high and playing well in the championship, to take the job at SJP with all the baggage ( known as Ashley) with which we are all familiar ?

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  • Small World

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:43 PM

    Comment #16

    RE: martoon // Jan 1, 2015 at 8:36 PM

    Totally agreed. In fact I was impressed with Rivierres all round contribution, he decided / was told to play facing their goal today and he managed to really stretch the Burnley defence on a couple of occasions when bursting through the ranks.

    I wouldn’t be too tough on Arma. Unfortunately he was introduced to play when we had seceded midfield. Net result it was only the occasional lump up field which he was supposed to challenge for

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:44 PM

    Comment #17

    Mag52,
    Got the sarcasm !

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  • Reyantoon

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:44 PM

    Comment #18

    Sorry but I am not optimistic about Carver in charge.I know it’s harsh to judge anyone in first game but if we look at his record here, it’s not good.It’s something like one win in ten.
    Todays game taught us the main difference. b/n senior mgr and assistant manager.His substitutions were poor.The two subs were panic subs without reading the game.
    No organization, no shape..
    The sooner we get top mgr,the better before too late.I still prefer Galtier. He will jump and land in NE if we officially approach him.
    Again, the sooner we get senior mgr,the better..

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  • Small World

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:47 PM

    Comment #19

    RE: Mag52 // Jan 1, 2015 at 8:40 PM

    The only reason I can think for McClaren to leave derby is his knowledge that it is not guaranteed that they would go up up (its a tough division) and also that it may be even harder to stay up the next year, given their resources. I personally don’t think he would leave or indeed be given permission to speak to us. I wouldn’t mind him as coach though.

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  • catchy in norway

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:49 PM

    Comment #20

    lmao again , months ago I said 2 names , Steve Mac and Karanka , people just took the puss out of me ,

    for me one of them two are the logical choice

    carver only proved that he has been pardewed today

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  • JackButler

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:49 PM

    Comment #21

    To be fair Burnley came back to take a point off City and after the week we’ve had a point isn’t that bad and the more pressing point is who’s gonna be the next man in the dug-out???

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  • hibbit

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:49 PM

    Comment #22

    why would McClaren take a pay cut leave a club that back him to work for ashley he won’t ahsley has been found out

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  • welshgeordie9

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:52 PM

    Comment #23

    Jail for Ashley

    Why would i worry, i don’t know, is it because i support newcastle, stop trying to make me bite, go and do something useful like having your nappie changed.

    Muppet.

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  • hibbit

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:53 PM

    Comment #24

    catchy they will not work for this man there both on more money then we pay and both get the full backing of there clubs

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  • JackButler

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:57 PM

    Comment #25

    Funny how everyone has a soft spot for de Boer when he’s being schooled by Phillip Cocu this season

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  • stephen1971

    Jan 1, 2015 at 8:57 PM

    Comment #26

    Shame about keeper but he looks lost and he reminds me of a fish out of water, useless to be perfectly honest

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  • cyprus

    Jan 1, 2015 at 9:07 PM

    Comment #27

    To be brutally honest, we should have won this. We were in front 3 times. If you check the shots on goal, till they scored their second, there were only 3 shots, all ours. A very energetic first half, even Riv seemed up to it, although he’s ring rusty. Armstrong must be loaned out, we lose points whenever he’s on the pitch.

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  • cyprus

    Jan 1, 2015 at 9:10 PM

    Comment #28

    And Colback will become a Scholes with his general play and goals. I’m very impressed with the general squad. A good head coach will take these players a step up.

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  • jimmysmith

    Jan 1, 2015 at 9:10 PM

    Comment #29

    Of course you hope, beyond any real logic that Carver can do better than Pardew, but really any manager coming in would need not only to be tactically capable, as well as a top motivator, because the squad has always been deficient in one way or another, but probably, as much as anything, what’s needed is someone with real self belief. Pardew I think ticked all those boxes, albeit perhaps the first two in pencil, but John Carver, cinder in snows chance you’d think. McClaren, possibly marginally better than Pardew. Probably the better tactician, but would he be tough enough. It’s a big ask. Even Pardew, who could actually do the job, jumped ship with quite shocking haste. To be frank, I am far from optimistic about Newcastle finding a successful manager now, unless Ashley at least tweaks the transfer policy allowing for proven quality players to come in when they are needed.

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  • catchy in norway

    Jan 1, 2015 at 9:12 PM

    Comment #30

    I think your a fool if you think managers won’t work for Ashley , most clubs in Europe already do it, Steve Mac did it in holland , Karanka comes from the Madrid set up where players are bought for the club not the manager ,
    the manager just coaches the players

    in the lower divisions in the uk now , all managers run the club on much smaller budgets than us,

    IMO I think we buy half decent players , just p45 let’s them down

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  • cyprus

    Jan 1, 2015 at 9:14 PM

    Comment #31

    J,
    Let’s face it. Pardew was decidedly average, tactically. We are lucky to still be in this league…

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  • Marty-Toon

    Jan 1, 2015 at 9:27 PM

    Comment #32

    They nearly scored after 50 seconds because of Tiote,so many times he slows us down ,gives the ball away or gives away free kicks.
    He’s great at times stopping the opposition but he is a real danger in our side and to our side.
    Arma did little today,didn’t get the ball much and was too small against those defenders.
    Willo was his usual,out of position and slow.
    Dummetts mistake was pure pitiful.
    Tayls injury is scary for us cause we’ve just got nothing else.
    Rivière was lively but needs to start making the keeper work.
    Ayoze is just an amazing talent,should we take his brother in from Blyth Spartans?
    What worries me most is that we were so quiet for 20/25 mins in the second half,no one was shouting at their teammates and getting the finger out,we had no metal and as Carver says we didn’t deserve it today.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Jan 1, 2015 at 9:27 PM

    Comment #33

    It’s a real pleasure to watch Perez at work. He is a tremendous player. I hope we can hang on to him for years to come. Riviere worked hard but so clumsy in front of goal! Dummett wasn’t great was he? No sign of Cabella. Maybe Johnny C. doesn’t favour him? Sissoko was decent but he has a dangerous temper and could be sent off in many games. Brilliant goal from Colback but seemed to disappear in the second half, as with Tiote. They took the game over and probably should have won it (hit the woodwork 4 times in total). We were lucky to get a point at home against Burnley. How sad is that?

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 1, 2015 at 9:30 PM

    Comment #34

    Catchy

    Exactly…it’s going that way in the prem league too where the manager just has an opinion on whats needed, not final say. It’s changing so managers will have to accept it.

    The issue with our transfer policy is buying/selling/not replacing the right players at the right time, we let ourselves down there. In terms of quality we are usually fine, just sometimes lacking a player or two in important areas.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Jan 1, 2015 at 9:31 PM

    Comment #35

    So Steve McLaren is the frontrunner? At least according to the press which doesn’t count for much. It could be worse by far.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 1, 2015 at 9:32 PM

    Comment #36

    Marty

    His brother doesn’t even get a game there, gone out on loan.

    Agree on tiote, been saying it all season since I have seen abeid do that role so well. Tiote probably saves us from some attacks but his poor passing and hanging onto the ball makes causes us even more problems than he stops…loses the ball in dangerous areas far too often.

    Reminds me of the good old days though when colo, enrique and tiote would play passy around the edge of our box….miss those times haha

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  • GeordieTwo

    Jan 1, 2015 at 9:34 PM

    Comment #37

    Why did we go so flat in the second half? A mystery to me. That game was there to be won. We had 3 one goal leads at home. Shocking really. Our defense is very poor. We need 2 CB’s in if we’re ever to go anywhere. A senior experienced striker and a RW as well. Ashley of course will spend nothing in January as we’re mid table.

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  • martoon

    Jan 1, 2015 at 9:35 PM

    Comment #38

    Small World @16 – Agreed I wasn’t trying to blame Armstrong but more like Carver for making the substitution at the wrong time. I think some people make excellent assistants but not managers and unforunately John Carver is one of these!

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  • GeordieTwo

    Jan 1, 2015 at 9:35 PM

    Comment #39

    So Steve McLaren is the frontrunner? At least according to the press which doesn’t count for much. It could be worse by far.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Jan 1, 2015 at 9:36 PM

    Comment #40

    Sorry for the repeat.

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