Newcastle Hierarchy Continue To Make Mistakes


We’ll not say that letting Alan Pardew go was an out-and-out mistake a week or so ago – but we wonder what the Newcastle hierarchy thought would happen once they let Pardew leave the club, about who would come in as the replacement?

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Lee Charnley and Mike Ashley – the powers that be on Tyneside

It’s looking more and more like a suitable candidate will not be available until the summer,  and Newcastle will take their time before they announce Alan Pardew’s replacement, but it seems the three top candidates – Remi Garde, Cristophe Galtier and Thomas Tuchel – are not available until the summer.

That probably means that John Carver will take over as head coach until the end of the season.

That gives John a big opportunity,  but it’s also a big risk since Carver doesn’t have the experience as the number one man and there has to be some risk in doing that.

Last season after 21 games played we had 33 points in 8th place – six more than we have today – and we ended up getting only 49 points – 16 points in the last 17 games – but only 3 points in the final eight games. 🙁

If we can do that this time we’ll still have 43 points so we should be OK, but Newcastle fans are uncomfortable at best at the moment – because of the way we plummeted last season and we are not safe yet.

Hopefully everything will work out fine and if we can get two wins in a row that should alleviate things a bit.

But just like we have sold our best players three times in the January transfer window and not replaced them – Andy Carroll (2011), Demba Ba (2013) and Yohan Cabaye (2014) – it could be we do the same thing with the head coach this January.

Newcastle just don’t seem to think things through fully – and we saw that when we were forced to use Jak Alnwick for eight games this season when both Tim Krul and Rob Elliot were out injured – and yet we let Karl Darlow go out on loan to Nottingham Forest with no recall clause in his contract.

There again it was an opportunity to let Alan Pardew go and get paid for it – so if we can do well in the last 17 games of the season it was probably worth it.

But once again money is king at Newcastle, even with a head coach.

It could be up to John Carver and company very soon, and on the other hand if John Carver does very well as Glen Roeder did nine years ago, when he came in for the sacked Graeme Souness, it will be hard for Lee Charnley not to give him the job full time.

That’s another possibility in this situation.

Do You Want John Carver To Take Over Newcastle Through End Of The Season?

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34 comments so far

  • Jail for Ashley

    Jan 13, 2015 at 8:53 AM

    Comment #1

    TS,
    I think we need 16 points this season, do you think we could achieve that, you’d like to think Stoke, W Brom and Villa at home should be bankers, a Pardewless team should be good for a draw at least against the mackems, leaving a surprise win and three draws, we should manage that surely.
    Ed,
    I think a lot of people voting yes is only if we are waiting to get a genuine candidate, if we are going to get a second rate yes man in anyway, get him in now and let him do his worst.

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  • Markaccus

    Jan 13, 2015 at 8:54 AM

    Comment #2

    If :-

    1) Carver stays on as coach till summer and
    2) we sell an important player and
    3) we do not strengthen the squad….

    then i will put money on us being relegated.

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  • Markaccus

    Jan 13, 2015 at 8:56 AM

    Comment #3

    Carver is not as good as roeder. GR had some tactical nous, and gave us enough to cheer about during is tenure. I don’t think carver is good enough tbh.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 13, 2015 at 8:58 AM

    Comment #4

    Jail

    We have 27 points, with so many teams down the bottom scrapping for any points, QPR, Leicester, Burnley, Sunderland, Villa I think we will only need 37/38 points this season so I think he would manage it easily.

    My concern is that we have been very jekyll and hyde under him so far, it’s hard to know if we will but in a good show for 90 minutes which we need, not just 45. Chelsea is understandable, they just turned it on…but burnley was great.

    To be fair though any manager needs time to impose his style.

    Also after the FA cup criticism he did an interview saying nobody was more gutted than him when the doctor came to his office to tell him he had those injuries, he seemed very genuine and upset from how he spoke….maybe a good actor, or maybe ashley/the club had the doctor deliver the news as carver wouldn’t back down. I know it’s not likely….but very hard to trust anyone in the club currently.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 13, 2015 at 8:59 AM

    Comment #5

    markaccus

    I’d disagree, think carver had enough about him to get us points, can’t say for sure but we can fluke 10 points between now and the season’s end, in my opinion that all we need.

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  • croftus5678

    Jan 13, 2015 at 8:59 AM

    Comment #6

    1 good game against burnley ! 1 very poor game against leicesterds and 1 very good game against chelsea for carver atm imo.

    so what we learnt ? he talks a good game but as we see in the cup he’s still a puppet like pards was.the players do and will play for him and even though 3 games is far too early to judge ! tbf they played better for carver than they did for pards as it stands at this moment.
    and i think the only other things us fans had a big issue with was the style of play and playing people out of position ! and i dont recall anyone being played out of position in his games and tbf carver never took attacking players off and replaced them with defenders as the team tried to go for the win till the end.

    3 games is far too soon to class an in-experianced manager as our true manager but saying that we are looking at managers not proven in the prem ! so i’d be fine with him untill the end of the season to see how he does

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:00 AM

    Comment #7

    Now the other guy has left, the ball and chain has been removed and I’d take Carver staying to the end of the year no problem, only if Garde or Tuchel came in the summer.

    My concern with it though is that Ashley may keep him on as manager instead, in order to save some pennies. That wouldn’t be good, although it can’t be worse than having the previous underachieving coach and regular dismal runs. At least we may attack like a normal team for a while.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:01 AM

    Comment #8

    But really, no, I don’t want Carver in charge at all.

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  • lesh

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #9

    Garde, if he is in the frame, looks as though he’s stalling – money talks and if Ashley were to give him assurances about his remit, player movement, money and backroom staff, he’d be in now.

    Similarly with Tuchel – if compensation for his current employer’s the issue, pay it and get him in!

    Ashley supposedly screwed Palace for £3m for Pardew and it must occur to him that it’s there to pay towards a new head coach. Let’s hope he uses it and smartish.

    However, the haste of Pardew’s departure suggests he’s been his usual self, like a rabbit in headlights – he’s had the scent of money and reacted with undue haste, taking it no matter the consequences.

    Taking a chance on Carver’s risky and we need a quality coach now so we can take advantage of the usual ‘new manager bounce’ that we see in similar situations.

    As Ed says, thinking things through goes out of the window where there’s some money to be made and saved from payroll costs erc.

    Despite the hype, let’s not fall into the trap of thinking that Charnley and Carr are in charge of recruitment for you can bet your boots that their role in getting a coach’ll be no more than shortlisting and interviewing with Ashley having the final say on the finances etc.

    As ever SNAFU

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #10

    CHEAPSKATE!!!!!

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  • lesh

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #11

    Laurent Robert 32

    Have you overlooked Carver’s dismal record when the ‘underachieving’ Pardee wasn’t available? It’s been hopeless!

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  • SuperShearer

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #12

    Why does Ashley insist on micro-managing everything? He’s placed Charnley in charge of the club so let him get on with it. Either that or run yourself, it’s very odd behaviour for someone so successful.

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  • martoon

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:10 AM

    Comment #13

    If you look at our history with players i.e. letting one go in the January window and not replacing them until the summer then logically we will probably adopt the same policy with the manager / head coach. I think we’ll soldier on with Carver in charge for the rest of the season and then maybe make an appointment in the summer. I hope I’m wrong and they are just taking their time like I mentioned yesterday.
    Oh and Tuff if you are around apologies about yesterday – I was having a bad day!

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:10 AM

    Comment #14

    Lesh, not overlooked it at all. I don’t want him in charge at all.

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  • JAMSHA(CARVER SLAYER)

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #15

    voted no

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  • stan anderson

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #16

    Carver know please,he,s the knob whowas going to chin the supporters was,nt he .
    A backward step by the clowns in charge once again.
    Come back P45.omg.

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  • Pugwash

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #17

    Yes the results since Carver has been in charge have not been fantastic but to be fair there wasn’t much time to change things between the congested fixture list (I buy what he said on MoTD). I saw enough in the Chelsea game (first half especially) , to hope for an improvement in our performances.

    If Carver is appointed and struggles (and assuming we avoid relegation), then its cheerio at the end of the season and we can hopefully appoint the young ‘modern’ European coach that everyone appears to want.

    If we appoint that young ‘modern’ European coach now and we struggle for the rest of the season then presumably he would be given another go next season. If he doesn’t make it work then we would be back to square one.

    Appoint Carver now and it is like 2 for the price of 1.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #18

    lesh

    When Caver filled in whilst Pardew was banned is not fair judgement, Pardew will have been in contact or left detailed plans (like sub the LB at half time) so carver would have had no say in how the team played.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:18 AM

    Comment #19

    Lesh, it was still P45’s side in those games don’t forget. Carver was just continuing his master’s incompetent game plans.

    Over the moon he is gone. I was laughing all the way through the Paaaaalis guymeee. Delusions were at an incredible in that game and I was saying that I hope they remember this moment, because once the players see through the false ego and novelty of a new manager, the record results will come to them as well.

    Anyway, enough talk of that prat.

    Garde or Tuchel. Even though we lost against Chelsea, I enjoy that first half more than I have done in a long time.

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  • stuart no9

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:18 AM

    Comment #20

    i said in august w e would finish in bottom 3.
    I took a fair amount of stick for that however, i am not going to change my mind now , bottom 3 it is, but lets be fair lads , if we go down it will be for the good of the club . A lot of folk wont like it because the arsenals , chelsea s man u’s wont be here next year, but for the club NUFC ? get the fat ba”’rd out its the ONLY way forward- like it or not.

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  • Pugwash

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #21

    lesh

    Can you remind me when Pardew wasn’t available? Do you mean when he sat in the stand? I don’t think the ban prevented him from orchestrating the training, picking the team, choosing the tactics, half-time team talk etc. I think it is a bit harsh to put all of the blame for those results/performances on Carver.

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  • stuart no9

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #22

    transfer——- tell me the last club to stay up with 38 points !

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  • croftus5678

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #23

    @11 lesh

    thats not fair tbh pards was still manager and was picking the team and calling the shots he just wasnt able to be at the side of the pitch so it was not carver in charge imo.

    tuscel/garde ect are still new managers to the prem and just like foreign players when they come its a huge risk on wether they can adapt to the league ! sherwood is the only one who can prove what he can do in the prem and i’m not convinced by him imo.

    cravers a huge admirer or sir bobby and worked as his no2 for some seasons and spoke of how highly he reguards his management so its not that big of a risk with keeping him on till the end of the season imo.

    tactically he was pretty good tbh he played to our strength’s and the players enjoyed playing against.

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  • Markaccus

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:21 AM

    Comment #24

    T sage

    I agree he might get us the points, if we keep the current squad together or at least replace any exits. It just means another 6 months of below par football. Not much to look forward to, and also the very real danger he is kept on in summer!

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  • Markaccus

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:21 AM

    Comment #25

    Stuart

    Didn’t the Makems do it?

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  • Markaccus

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:22 AM

    Comment #26

    Well,5 months.

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  • stuart no9

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:26 AM

    Comment #27

    Markacuss—– dont know but i’ll have a quick look .

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:28 AM

    Comment #28

    JfA
    The second rate yes man is already in, giving it all 1M% and cocking it up. Carver has already shown how limited he is (as has Sherwood for those wanting him) sending out the team to give it a go. But not be able to deduce the tactical changes that are required in response to the opposition.

    If the decision is to wait now then it is likely that MA will not install a new Head Coach until he knows if he is selling the club or not. That means Carver will be in situ until at least the end of 2015/16.

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  • stuart no9

    Jan 13, 2015 at 9:38 AM

    Comment #29

    Markacuss—- yeah your right scum have done it 4 times with less than 40 points wow -hahah didnt realise that.

    transfer — i apologise . but yeah looking at sunderlands record we may have a chance.

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  • lesh

    Jan 13, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #30

    Transfer Sage

    Your point about Pardew being in the wings during his touchline ban is well taken sir.

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  • lesh

    Jan 13, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #31

    Pugwash

    And your point’s well taken too.

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  • lesh

    Jan 13, 2015 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #32

    Fckuing marvellous innit. Ashley’s view of a successful season seems to be avoiding relegation, battling to hit or better top spot in the bottom four

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  • Sav

    Jan 13, 2015 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #33

    I’ve nothing against Carver. I really don’t know if he is as poor a tactician as many of you claim to know. But the advantage a new coach has is to be able to negotiate some modifications to the current system, such as a final veto on recruitment, assurances on player sales, his own backroom staff, a free hand to play full-strength teams in the cups and assurances to strengthen the squad if we should manage to qualify for Europe. These are the things I sincerely hope the likes of Garde are holding out for. You only get one chance to negotiate such things and that is when they are trying to get you to sign up. Unfortunately for Carver, being a homeboy and SJP fixture, he’ll probably never have that kind of clout here. Everyone knows he’d walk through hot coals for the job and that is not a great place to be negotiating from. I honestly don’t know whether any of the listed candidates would be an improvement. But I see a new appointment as a chance to wrest a little bit of power back from the Mashley mandarins and a bit of fizz back to SJP for the fans.

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  • Sivarese

    Jan 13, 2015 at 12:53 PM

    Comment #34

    I think he should have a go – the team haven’t played that badly under him so far (ok Leicester was poor), and it’s not going to be too radical a change for the players.

    This is only in the context, however, of this allowing Newcastle to take more time and have more candidates available during the summer (De Boer is a pipe dream, but maybe Tuchel or Galtier may be in the frame then) to choose from.

    Then players can come in to strengthen (Ha!) and perhaps complement the playing profile of the new coach, although I’d be surprised if we go back to 4-4-2 after the appointment.

    An appointment now can still go tragically wrong, remember.

    I wouldn’t be disappointed with Remi Garde, but wouldn’t it be phenomenal to attract someone of De Boer’s calibre?

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