This Man Is Not Good Enough To Be Head Coach – Sad But True


John Carver will very likely be given the caretaker job through the rest of the season after Lee Charnley made it clear last night that Newcastle were unwilling to make an appointment now, when good candidates were available in the summer.

John Carver

John Carver with the great one – circa 2003

We hope John does well enough in his role that he continues in the job through the end of the season, but we think a couple more early defeats and Newcastle may have to think about bringing in a more experienced coach to guide Newcastle through the rest of the season.

And if Newcastle have their wits about them – they will already have identified that coach – good planning is about planning for different situations that can arise.

Something we didn’t think about when we lost both Tim Krul and Rob Elliot due to injury this season – which of course happened – and untested Jak Alnwick had to start seven games – and we lost five of those and won only one – and conceded 18 goals.

How many points did that cost us because we didn’t have a third experienced goalkeeper on the books?

Former Newcastle striker Micky Quinn doesn’t seem to rate John Carver as the head man:

“He’s hardly got a whole lot to work with but I’m not sure Carver is up to the job.” “He looks to have fallen short of what it would take. It’s a shame because this would be his dream job.”

“The only thing that matters is what’s good for the football club. With no sign of a head coach or any new players it’s difficult to see where Newcastle go from here.”

“If Carver is in charge for Hull he needs a win or surely that would be it for him.”

It’s very difficult to criticize John – because he’s been assistant manager for Newcastle for nine  years in two different stints, and he was very good when he was Sir Bobby Robson’s right hand man from 1999-2004.

But we don’t think he has what it takes to be the lead man – not at Newcastle anyway.

Most fans seem to agree with that.

Should John Carver Be The Head Coach At Newcastle?

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88 comments so far

  • 70TWO

    Jan 21, 2015 at 11:04 PM

    Comment #1

    At first I think we all started out on the blog with your idealism that all would be alright in the end. Some say just be grateful we are playing in the PL and at least we get to see (opposition) top players on our own turf. But the club is turning into a skeleton of its former self, we can see it happening and have no means to do anything about it. The media can see how the operational restrictions hamper the footballing performances but just say the manager is doing a good job in the circumstances. Loyal supporters are being driven away because we expect a policy of progressive developmental and are replaced by those who are prepared to pay less in the naivety that they are optimistically supporting the team.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Jan 21, 2015 at 11:08 PM

    Comment #2

    Carver wants this so badly that he cannot see the road ahead!

    …don’t really get any pleasure in seeing Carver fail, so I hope he’ll do allright!

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 21, 2015 at 11:10 PM

    Comment #3

    How about employing a Caretaker Coach until the end of the season, like Chelsea or Spurs have done in the past? For example Mike Phelan would give the present coaches some insight into how clubs develop players and he gets another PL team on his CV.

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  • BoyDoneGood

    Jan 21, 2015 at 11:15 PM

    Comment #4

    Carver is now favourite, but Schuster has moved up the betting too – wonder who’s put money on? But since he is available/unemployed, he’ll presumably be just as available if necessary after the Hull match…

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  • bobby mango

    Jan 21, 2015 at 11:16 PM

    Comment #5

    “It’s very difficult to criticize John”

    Erm, no it’s not. I find it very easy to criticise that sack of sh!t3

    He should’ve left with Pardew. I understand he wants the club but if he loved it he would see the best thing for the football team is to walk away and let someone fresh come in. The whole coaching staff need a revamp. If he stays as assistant when a new head coach comes in we’ll be hardly any better than we were with Pardew

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Jan 21, 2015 at 11:17 PM

    Comment #6

    Caption Competition – usual prize for the funniest-night out on the town in Swansea with Welshie ——- http://www.winnersports.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/615x409xcharnley.jpg.pagespeed.ic.1sgHmLEAg4.jpg

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Jan 21, 2015 at 11:19 PM

    Comment #7

    2nd prize- 2 nights out with Welshie ha ha ha

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  • Bri

    Jan 21, 2015 at 11:22 PM

    Comment #8

    I like Quinny no bullsh!t from him.

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 21, 2015 at 11:28 PM

    Comment #9

    If we are not going to buy anyone we need someone who can organise the team to prevent the defense from being so open and attack in reasonable numbers.
    1) Mbiwa should be brought back if Roma are not going to take up his contract at the price agreed (they have younger loanees returning), to provide cover and have the chance to show his abilities properly.
    2) Perez needs using more wisely rather than flogging him, with Riviere, Sammy, Cabella and Gouffran utilised up front.
    3) Anita and Sissoko have no business being used as defensive midfielders; and playing Tiote is only necessary because the defense is so fragile.

    Looking at what we have and making the best use of it is will get the team through to the end of the season, without the risk of relegation. Another wasted season, other than the end of Alan Pardew and good riddance.

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  • AncientC

    Jan 21, 2015 at 11:29 PM

    Comment #10

    3 first team games isn’t enough to run the rule on Carver… ever so slightly jumping the gun.

    I do know that we are playing more football in the opposition half under Carver, which is a step in the right direction.

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 21, 2015 at 11:33 PM

    Comment #11

    Bernd Schuster – interesting!

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Jan 21, 2015 at 11:34 PM

    Comment #12

    AncientC-well said – hear hear

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 21, 2015 at 11:36 PM

    Comment #13

    AncientC – agree but he needs someone in to support him, the defense is less than paper thin and players heads drop far to readily once we concede.

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 21, 2015 at 11:47 PM

    Comment #14

    How about this? A total over haul of the playing style but it would need Collo to be in the training sessions!

    ——-Riviere——————Cabella
    ——————–Sissoko
    Haidara—-Colback—-Abeid—-Janmaat
    ——Dummett—-Collo—-Santon
    ———————–Krul

    Subs – Perez, SDJ, Sammy, Tiote, Anita, Gouffran, Streete

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  • jimmysmith

    Jan 21, 2015 at 11:58 PM

    Comment #15

    ——Aarons——–Perez——Cabella
    ————De Jong——–Sissoko
    ———————Colback—
    Santon——Dummett—-Collo—-Janmaat
    ———————–Krul

    Subs – Abeid, Haidarra, Sammy, Tiote, Anita, Gouffran, Rivierre, Cisse, Willo

    Probably take some hidings along the way, but could be great fun to watch

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 22, 2015 at 12:06 AM

    Comment #16

    The more I look at that 343 formation the more impressed I am, as in rectifies the defensive situation and creates a good platform for attack. The defender in the centre (eg.Collo) operates as the bottom of a midfield diamond in a 433. The personal are very interchangeable with the substitutes but it offers a system that does not need to change and yet is not rigid.

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  • p

    Jan 22, 2015 at 12:08 AM

    Comment #17

    I don’t think he said that. I think he said that some were available now (with or without compensation) and some not available until summer. The club will weigh all this up and make a decision.

    My guess is they will see how the next 3 games go – all winnable – and decide if they can wait until summer.

    Sounds like they prefer to but keeping their options open.

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 22, 2015 at 12:09 AM

    Comment #18

    jimmysmith – is yours a midfield diamond or is Perez the furthest forward?

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  • Sydney Toon

    Jan 22, 2015 at 12:13 AM

    Comment #19

    On Carver, I have enough respect for him to say that he is doing the best with his limited technical and tactical ability. I have seen a stark change and freedom in our play. If we can get a win against Hull, I doubt it will give Carver the job full time but would release the pressure off Charnley.
    I liked Charnley’s thoughts and interview. Personally, I would rather us wait for the summer to have a red hot go at De Boer, Galtier, MacLaren or Garde, then bring in someone that wont be the right fit.

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  • jimmysmith

    Jan 22, 2015 at 12:13 AM

    Comment #20

    Perez furthest forward. Aarons and Cabella up and back, DeJong and Sissoko linking play and driving into the box. Colback a libero in front of the back four. Too open at the back, I guess.

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  • musomag

    Jan 22, 2015 at 12:17 AM

    Comment #21

    John Carver if you truly want to save our once great club then admit you’re out of your depth and step out of the running. We are all sick of watching the long slow murder of NUFC that is the ASHLEY REGIME, sadly you’ve got your head so high in the clouds you now just want to be a part of it. You’re definitely not the answer, suck it up.

    If you love something, set it free…..

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 22, 2015 at 12:17 AM

    Comment #22

    jimmysmith – we have had a leaky defense forever and always persisted with a flat(ish) back four. Which is always susceptible to the fullbacks being caught up field, or too much space between the midfield anchor and the central defenders. Is it just inevitable or, without paying massive transfer fees for top quality CD, is there an alternative system that can be trained?

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 22, 2015 at 12:19 AM

    Comment #23

    The Ginger Pirlo?!!

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 22, 2015 at 12:30 AM

    Comment #24

    Your system is a good attacking 4141 which I have no problem with but I do think one player up front has begun to lose its way and does not offer enough of a threat to defenders. A dynamic front two logically offers double the threat and an interchangeable three should confuse even the best organised defense. This was where I was impressed with Carver against Chelsea, only to be let down by Willo.

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 22, 2015 at 12:30 AM

    Comment #25

    out

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  • Harley

    Jan 22, 2015 at 12:32 AM

    Comment #26

    I see we have the 7th highest turnover in the premier league and the 19th highest in Europe.
    And we are run like this. Shocking!

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  • jimmysmith

    Jan 22, 2015 at 12:36 AM

    Comment #27

    We do seem to struggle to transition between attacking in numbers and defending in numbers. I thought we did ok when we set up to counter attack, but you’re hoping to hit on the break, and ceding control of the game. Now we look capable on the ball but vulnerable at the back. I’m not sure if it’s coaching, lack of depth and quality, or the quality of the opposition. I think all three, but the latter isn’t taken into enough consideration I think. The opposition is working there socks off too, and also, there are clearly better squads than ours. Injuries have basically wrecked this campaign also.

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  • jimmysmith

    Jan 22, 2015 at 12:53 AM

    Comment #28

    It’s been suggested a few times in the press and elsewhere that Ashley wants a more open game, a more entertaining product. I think there could well be something in that, because if you’re not going to challenge for honours, then surely you need to atleast provide an entertainment. He of course needs to give his coach a squad that won’t then get consistently turned over in the process. This squad probably then a quality striker and centre back as well as attack minded coach away from it, realistically I think.

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  • 70TWO

    Jan 22, 2015 at 12:54 AM

    Comment #29

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-face-paying-out-one-8492245

    I couldn’t leave this, Lee Ryder is a tit. £2M payed over 5 years is not a burden on the club. Biggest ever? In your dreams.

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  • sickandtired

    Jan 22, 2015 at 12:57 AM

    Comment #30

    Missing the obvious here, and that’s why Charnley’s nonsense does not stack up. Even if we wait until the Summer, any new guy is going to want his own staff with him. The compen will have to be paid out at some point – unless they have actually got their eye on some Muppet prepared to take the job and adopt Carver & Co as well as all the other restrictions. Given the failed ‘long term vision’ which has involved Wise, Kinnear, Pardew, (Mort, Llambias and now Charnley also) are we (and a new coach) supposed to accept the same backroom staff which has been part of that failure? We saw this time last year what Ashley’s cunning plans amount to.

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  • toonincheek

    Jan 22, 2015 at 1:03 AM

    Comment #31

    Carver is not up to the job of Manager, but as
    Chief Coach, we have played some good football.
    (except miserable performance against Leicester.

    Still suffering from some critical injuries, and I put
    Abeid at the top of the list. I think we will see an
    improvement when we can play a midfield three of
    Colback, Sissoko and Abeid.

    Still weak at the back but with that midfield and
    De Jong and Aarons in the mix with Cabella and
    Perez, I think we will get enough wins before long.

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  • Mister Tuff

    Jan 22, 2015 at 1:03 AM

    Comment #32

    Well one thing about the Penfold “statement” is that we need not bother ourselves about thr false reports of this player or that player being signed. I’ve long since stopped reading newspaper reports/web reports about our supposed interest in anyone.

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  • one fine day

    Jan 22, 2015 at 1:09 AM

    Comment #33

    I no longer live in uk so never lucky to get to a live game these days (use that term very loosely since ash arrived)but just a thought maybe a way of preventing another half season of dross and apathy would be for those who are taking up season tickets to simply buy only half yearly ones if that is indeed possible.
    maybe the thought of all those not being renewed at end of jan each season will have fatty over a barrel for a change (again a disturbing thought)
    maybe then they will give serious thought about derailing the season once the objective (above 17th has been achieved )
    And i say if we did get into europa why not simply use the group games with the kids etc we are always saying some need to go out on loan to get game time etc
    and if we get through group games then start using a few senior/fringe players as we progress .
    but f.a.cup still needs to be respected and around the world i’ve always found many fans in other countries regard it as still the best so id want to see our best 11 going out to actually have a real go.
    none of this “risking injuries shi@@te as we see more long term injuries on the training ground than we have ever got in the cup.
    then taking into consideration we only play once a year in the cup anyways:)

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  • Brutooon

    Jan 22, 2015 at 1:13 AM

    Comment #34

    Carver got the passion but the players still think him as a normal coach – not as a head coach/manager type

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Jan 22, 2015 at 1:20 AM

    Comment #35

    We will not be signing anyone. That’s almost a guarantee.

    It’s shocking just how bad we are run as a club. With no direction no purpose. Nothing. Just settling for mediocrity in the league. Alls good as long as we are not relegated.

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  • lesh

    Jan 22, 2015 at 1:27 AM

    Comment #36

    ilovetoon8788

    Have a little faith in Mr Charnley.

    He referred to the fact that we’ve 25 players registers to play in the Prem and now that Chuckey’s away back to wherever and Tiote’ll probably be away after his ACoN trip, the squad’ll be down to 23.

    With two places vacant, Charnley could very possibly bring in the quality CB and striker we need in January.

    Who said we’ll bring nobody in…… have faith

    Harrumph!

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  • p

    Jan 22, 2015 at 1:31 AM

    Comment #37

    Doubt it marra

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  • lesh

    Jan 22, 2015 at 1:31 AM

    Comment #38

    70TWO

    ….. Especially as Ashley screwed Palace for £3m or so for their Messiah, Mr Parted!

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  • Canny in Canberra

    Jan 22, 2015 at 1:58 AM

    Comment #39

    If Carver is it until the end of the season then lets do him and there by us a favour and get behind him. If all the lad hears is “He can’t do the job” and “He’s not good enough” then he isn’t gonna succeed. He obviously gives a toss so he has something in common with us. More than can be said for the rest of that shower. Let’s just back him and do what we always do. Pray for the best!! Not very much else we can do.
    HWTL!!

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  • jimmysmith

    Jan 22, 2015 at 2:10 AM

    Comment #40

    Money talks: Clubs’ revenue in 2013-14

    Position/Club/£m

    1 (1) Real Madrid 459.5

    2 (4) Man United 433.2

    3 (3) Bayern M 407.7

    4 (2) Barcelona 405.2

    5 (5) Paris S-G 396.5

    6 (6) Man City 346.5

    7 (7) Chelsea 324.4

    8 (8) Arsenal 300.5

    9 (12) Liverpool 255.8

    10 (9) Juventus 233.6

    11 (11) B Dortmund 218.7

    12 (10) Milan 208.8

    13 (14) Tottenham 180.5

    14 (13) Schalke 178.9

    15 (20) Atletico M 142.1

    16 (-) Napoli 137.8

    17 (15) Internazionale 137.1

    18 (16) Galatasaray 135.4

    19 (-) Newcastle 129.7

    20 (-) Everton 120.5

    *Last year’s position in brackets

    Newcastle’s revenue up 35 percent. All relative of course as every EPL club has similarly increased revenues, but should allow us more to be more competitive should we ever get back into Europe, and in the transfer market outside England.

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