Carver Is The Easy Solution – He Could Still Get Newcastle Job

John Carver has again said he wants the job as Newcastle’s head coach, and is asking the question-  why not?

john carver training

John Carver – could get head coach position permanently

This is what John said yesterday to the press:

“If you work hard, get the results, people get to know you – why can’t you have a long-term contract?”

“That worries people on the outside. On the inside I know what we are trying to do. (I know) what we are trying to do, what we are trying to put in place and what will come to fruition.

“Alright we haven’t had the right results but we have come up against two of the top sides in the division.”

“My biggest strengths are working with the players on the training ground. I don’t want to get involved with players coming in or going out.”

“These are the same conditions that I worked under in the MLS with Toronto.”

John keeps talking about the Toronto FC position, but when he resigned from the club six games into his second season in charge of the club, it wasn’t exactly positive.

And it wasn’t hailed over here that John had done a terrific job at the Canadian MLS club either, and maybe he is tying to rewrite history just a little bit.

john carver as toronto coach

John Carver while Toronto FC coach, February 2008 – April 2009

And in any case,  just over a season in the MLS is not much experience when you are talking about being the head coach at the a club like Newcastle United, and John has to know that.

When he resigned from Toronto it was because he kept clashing with MLS officials and criticizing them in public.

This to the Toronto Star on April 28th, 2009 following his resignation:

“You can only put up with so much,”  “I’ve had restraints on me ever since I got here,”

“If ever you do anything or say anything out-of-order, they’re straight on the phone complaining to the owners.”

“And that’s how they work because, in my opinion, it’s all about image.”

John resigned after he was given a fine by the MLS for publicly criticizing MLS officials.

What’s in his favor at Newcastle is that it would be an easy appointment for the club – because John is a Geordie and to Mike Ashley he is the (really) cheap solution, since he wouldn’t demand anywhere near the wages a Frank de Boer or Remi Garde would demand.

The other advantage he has is that he’s making it very clear that he is very happy to work within the (severe) constraints placed on him by Mike Ashley, and he continually is saying he’s not involved with transfers and doesn’t want to be.

Those types of comments are directed at Mike Ashley and Lee Charnley, but if he was really being considered wouldn’t John at least be told who Newcastle were trying to sign.

Maybe he is and he’s just keeping quiet about it.

With almost 11,000 readers having voted, he would not be a popular choice with Newcastle fans.

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But he has a chance in the final 16 games if he can put a great record together as good as Glenn Roeder had in a similar situation back in February of 2006, he would be offered the job.

Bur whereas Glenn won five of his first six games in charge as caretaker manager, when we were trying to get Martin O’Neill in as the new manager, John has drawn one and lost three of his first four games in charge.

Glenn’s record in 2006 was managed 17 games in all competitions, won 11, drew 2 and lost 4 for a win percentage of 65 and a loss percentage of 24.

One defeat was in the FA Cup 5th round at Chelsea when we lost 1-0 to the club who would win the Premier League that season with 91 points, and we beat Southampton in the 4th round 1-0 when Glenn was in charge.

With those numbers on the board, and Newcastle also won six of their last seven league games and drew the other one  to finish 7th top on 58 points –  it was simply impossible for Chairman Freddy Shepherd not to appoint Glenn Roeder as the permanent manager.

In 15 Premier League games played under Glenn Newcastle got 10 wins, 2 draws and three defeats for 32 points – and in a 38 game season that would be 81 points.

Today John Carver is the easy and cheap solution for Mike Ashley, and therefore he will be a candidate, but it will depend almost completely on how he does in the final 16 games of the season.

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25 comments so far

  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Jan 31, 2015 at 8:37 AM

    Comment #1

    Previous Thread

    Here are what the Halls and Shepherds took out during their reign:
    from a now defunct website I think:
    From big spenders to big earners

    Since Newcastle United were floated on the Stock Exchange in April 1997 the Hall family and Freddy Shepherd have earned from the club as follows:

    Sales of shares by Cameron Hall, Sir John and Douglas Hall’s company:

    December 1998 Sold 6.3% to NTL: £10m

    December 1999 Sold 3.26% to NTL: £5.28m

    December 1999 Douglas Hall sold 0.39% to NTL: £0.57m

    June 2003 Sold 11.4% to Newcastle United itself: £4.5m

    Total earned by Hall family in sales of Newcastle United shares £20.35m

    Sales of shares by Freddy Shepherd Nil

    Shepherd and his brother, Bruce, have increased their shareholding, via their company, Shepherd Offshore, from 7% at the time of flotation to 28% now

    Dividends paid by Newcastle United plc to shareholders 1998-2005

    Total to Halls: £13,698,280

    Total to Shepherds: £5,489,239

    Salary packages paid

    Year Hall Shepherd

    1999 £23,533 £23,533

    2000 £35,000 £75,000

    2001 £110,000 £232,868

    2002 £524,257 £591,639

    2003 £591,667 £668,920

    2004 £635,465 £717,145

    2005 £495,951 £552,954

    Total £2,415,873 £2,862,059

    Totals made from Newcastle United 1999 to 2005

    Sir John, Douglas and Cameron Hall: £36,466,153

    Freddy Shepherd and Shepherd Offshore: £ 8,351,298

    Total £44,817,451

    Figures compiled with assistance of Ian Ferguson from

    Totals made from Newcastle United in a 6 year period

    Sir John, Douglas and Cameron Hall: £36,466,153

    Freddy Shepherd and Shepherd Offshore: £ 8,351,298

    Total £44,817,451
    That equals over &7 million per year


    In summary what Shepherd left was a club that was losing over £30m a year, had debts of £70m, had no assets they could borrow more money against, and had a set of players on long, lucrative contracts. Ashley can get rid of the debt but the £30m annual losses with over paid players will take longer to sort out.

  • catchy in norway

    Jan 31, 2015 at 8:39 AM

    Comment #2

    let’s just hope he dosnt

  • dazzler

    Jan 31, 2015 at 8:42 AM

    Comment #3


    I’m pretty sure ashley said to a journo at his sports direct meeting, my only focus is sports director something to that affect.

    It may have been taken out of context but he said it.

    There’s been no evidence to suggest he does care about our club, or its fans. If he did he would attempt to make us competitive on all fronts. Not just enough to simply get by.

    The young, talented squad will be, most likely, dismantled once they start to show signs of ability and consistency.

    There is no evidence that the club is looking beyond Carver in the summer and history suggests he’s nailed on if he doesn’t mess up completely.

    The facilities, well anything on that front is an improvement given our injury record. But other than that I can’t agree with you mate, sorry.

  • dazzler

    Jan 31, 2015 at 8:45 AM

    Comment #4

    Toon kk

    Previous thread, I think RH said it the other day, supporting Newcastle is like a drug. It doesn’t feel the same as it used to but people are willing to spend their hard earned cash trying to get that feeling of euphoria back. It doesn’t matter what ashley does there will always be people lining up to get their fix.

  • Mister Tuff

    Jan 31, 2015 at 8:46 AM

    Comment #5

    slank – the only things missing from your list of Ashleys good deeds at the Toon is…………………………………………………….anything about decent or half decent football to enterrtain the crowd, aspirations of glory or winning something or have a good go.
    Dare I say – an “accountants” assessment an not a football fans assessment.
    Please refer to SBRs’ words of wisdom printed on these pages.

  • toon kk

    Jan 31, 2015 at 8:46 AM

    Comment #6

    who do you think will replace Carver if he doesn’t get the job?
    Youll probably be disappointed mate.
    Lets hope Carver does well.

  • firebug666

    Jan 31, 2015 at 8:46 AM

    Comment #7

    Carver will get the job full time, no doubt about it, he has the rest of the season to continue his begging and pleading for the position through the press.

    The only way he will lose out now is when he gets us relegated.

  • lesh

    Jan 31, 2015 at 8:47 AM

    Comment #8

    Carver will get the job full time. He may not be brilliant but he’s ticking all the boxes – compliant, trouble-free and grovelling. His comments have been cringe worthy to say the least.

    As far as Deli Alli’s concerned, why hasn’t he been signed up yet? He should have been, weeks ago!

    The running of the Club is entirely in Ashley’s grabbing hands and he can do whatever he wants. No shareholders to answer to just 50000 plus stakeholders about whom he doesn’t give a $hit.

    He’s a disgrace and should be hounded out of football – but he’s done nothing against the rules or the law of the land. He’s broken any moral codes there are but as far ad the powers that be are concerned – tough $hit!


  • Mister Tuff

    Jan 31, 2015 at 8:52 AM

    Comment #9

    jimmy – Barclays Bank were owed the money for our mortgage for the new stadium – Mr Tubbs paid off Barclays but “kept” The debt himself in the form of his loan. (that’s the never ending, increasing loan designed to reap the benefits of tax savings). This benefit was revealed in a Fans Forum reply but whether it was of benefit to Tubbs or the club was not pursued.
    I think Tubbs will be the beneficiary and not the club.

  • Reyantoon

    Jan 31, 2015 at 8:58 AM

    Comment #10

    So Chelsea signed cuadrado, good player specially down the right wing.Palace signed a defender from Lille.Swansea land Jack cork and kyle Naughton from Southampton & Tottenham respectively. Villa trying to hijack Dele Alli hmm?
    If we sign Alli and those kids from Spain,that’s something to cheer about lol!!

  • Slank

    Jan 31, 2015 at 9:02 AM

    Comment #11

    Mister Tuff

    You can say ‘accountants view’ but it would be wrong.

    At no time did I mention Ashley.

    I did mention aspirations of glory in that we haven’t won any trophies in nearly 60 years except for the Fairs Cup. The club have maintained a consistency of failure stretching back beyond the time most fans were born. I suppose aspirations and reality shouldn’t get confused. In the past there were aspirations but nothing ever came of them. In the past we were all miserably dissapointed but now you won’t be. Think yourself fortunate.

    Sir Bobby was a great man but the reality is he didn’t achieve anything at the club. He could talk the talk but he couldn’t walk the walk when it came to honours for the club.

  • toon kk

    Jan 31, 2015 at 9:06 AM

    Comment #12

    I understand people just want to support their own team, but there also supporting a regime which is killing the club. SJP hasn’t even the same atmosphere anymore.

  • jimmysmith

    Jan 31, 2015 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #13

    So 70 million quid of the debt was against the stadium, a hard asset, that he now owns and I’m assuming has increased in value. Ok.


    Jan 31, 2015 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #14

    time to watch ausi vs korea final ….. come on ausi


    Jan 31, 2015 at 9:08 AM

    Comment #15

    jedanik almost scored

  • sing in the corner

    Jan 31, 2015 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #16

    On Carver…
    A positive slant would be maybe Carver is talking all this ass kiss stuff because while with Pardew he has learned that to stay in the job long enough with Ashley’s mob you have to play him carefully. A more realistic one is he is actually a company man, and not very bright, just feeling lucky and determined to cling on as long as possible.
    Either way, I don’t want him to be appointed long term. But I’m going to stay objective and not just snipe away at him for that reason. Which is what many ended up doing with the last incumbent.

  • lochinvar

    Jan 31, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #17

    Charlie in the Gallowgate @ 1
    Great insight into what’s gone before and what Ashley had inherited.
    Cash cow springs to mind !

  • stuart no9

    Jan 31, 2015 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #18

    oh dear —– excuses starting already ” weve played 2 of the top sides,” yep and you got beat , that proves nothing . bradford played a top side and beat them 4-2 , so dont start those games carver or you will go the same way as pardew .

  • Slank

    Jan 31, 2015 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #19

    Toon kk

    Fans all over the world support their teams but not necessarily the people who own their teams.

    People who blame the ownership of the club as a reason for not supporting the team on the day and not giving vocal encouragement to the team are a disgrace.

  • lochinvar

    Jan 31, 2015 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #20

    Press reports that “Carver hasn’t spoken to Ashley in over 4 weeks”. Apart from the fact you might expect Ashley to speak to Carver in the circumstances that’s a further indication of non existent communication and non existent management skills.
    Does Ashley even know what is going on or is it a case of ” can’t be bovvered” , leave it to Penfold.
    Class. Or not as it seems.

  • firebug666

    Jan 31, 2015 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #21

    I will concede that the football has been slightly better under Carver, but still a long way from good enough.

    Lets hope today we can add a won 1 to his record of played 4 lost 3 drawn 1.

  • toon kk

    Jan 31, 2015 at 9:25 AM

    Comment #22

    enjoy watching your budget football, but don’t complain when the club shows no ambition because your all part of the reasons we’re in the state we are.
    I’m not saying people should never go to every match. People just seem to have given up and go along with Mash and his regime.

  • magscar

    Jan 31, 2015 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #23

    Just catching up on posts since last night and it is same old same old.

    Any reasoned attempt to assess Ashley’s reign and seeing it dispassionately for what it is, is immediately denounced as deluded by the self named “real” fans. That is not to say that those who make such reasoned assessments agree with or condone all that has happened – they say as much.

    I also want better for my club but unless I suddenly become a Billionaire over night and Ashley feels like selling then I like the rest of you will have to sit this one out. Unless those calling for an assessment of him as “fit and proper” get a chance to set the parameters then you have as much chance as we do of winning a cup this season of having him found guilty as charged.

    All the name calling in the world might make your stock on here rise amongst those of a similar mind but as usual add nothing to the debate. I am disappointed that posters get off on referencing Ashley to some of the worst despots and Fascists dictators this world has ever known – some perspective please.

    Whilst I am on it can we also lose the references to his weight, garden insects, Star Wars and cartoon characters because there were never funny and just grow more tedious with their overuse – grow up young un’s and those old enough to know better realise that what may be said amongst mates in jest over a few pints when put into print doesn’t do you justice.

    I have said it before but in my time of supporting this club Ashley does not represent the worst owner of the club ( not kidding myself that I and other fans “own” this club or have a financial stake in it any more than I do in Morrisons because I happen to shop there).

    Sales of star players from Pop Robson , Macdonald, Beardsley, Waddle, Gazza, Cole and Ferdindand didn’t go under his watch. Cole being sold and not immediately replaced, te demolition of the Leazes and being left in a parlous state for years and the forced resiting of bond holders by a duplicitious board also went on before him so as I said get some historical ( not hysterical) perspective. Neither I (nor Jimmy, Slank and others who hold the minority expressed view on here) need to be lectured on our stance. It is our opinion and we do not live in a Communist ( to correctly use another buzz word) state so are entitled to it as others are their’s.

    To those who want to only assess the entertainment seek out some Leeds fans who lived the dreams ( without caring about the price because they were real fans) under Ridsdale but are still paying the price for a one-dimensional running of the club. I suspect the winning of the Premiership isn’t keeping them as warm as it did on first being relegated with the thought they would soon bounce back. Cellino their current saviour – now you are talking fit and proper 🙂

    Yes we all of different viewpoints know that Ashley could open up the purse a little more and not bankrupt us but it remains his choice and we can only hope that time will come.

  • expatmag

    Jan 31, 2015 at 9:56 AM

    Comment #24

    Off topic……half time in the Asian Cup final…..Australia 1 South Korea 0 ….goal scored by Massimo Luongo of Swindon. This kid is the real deal and definitely a up to date version of Kieran Dyer. 22 year old and he has been the star of the finals here. We need to take a good look at this kid. Also look at Trent Sainsbury, a 21 year old very mobile and creative centre half. Plays in holland with twenty, I think.

  • BoyDoneGood

    Jan 31, 2015 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #25

    Charlie in the G., Magscar
    Well said.


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