Shearer – A Tremendous Run Will Get Carver The Job

John Carver’s record in charge of Newcastle United as caretaker manager so far is played 5, won one, lost three and drawn one – goals scored 7 and goals conceded eight – so that’s very middle of the road.

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Alan Shearer – John would already have the job

Alan Shearer has been talking to Sky Sports today and the thinks that if John was going to be given the job full time – he would have been offered it by now:

This is what Alan said about John – who was Alan’s assistant manager when Bobby Robson was at the club from 1999-2004:

“I think if he was going to be given the job, then he would have been given it permanently now,” “I think unless he has a tremendous run between now and the end of the season, then they might just give it to someone else.”

“It’s been a good start for him.” “For him to have a chance, for him to be in charge of Newcastle is great. He’s a very good lad, a very good coach and, as I said, knows the club inside out so I hope he does really well.”

Alan’s probably thinking of the tremendous run Glenn Roeder had when he was appointed to a similar situation when Graeme Souness was fired.

Alan was the assistant to Glenn at that time but at the end of the season Alan refused to take any credit for the amazing run – and he said it was all Glenn’s doing.

Roeder took over in early February of 2006 and won one FA Cup tie against the Saints 1-0 and then lost in the next round at Chelsea 1-0.

Glenn was in charge of the side for the final 15 league games of that season, and he got 32 points on the board and we finished 7th top.

John Carver has four points from four league games so far – so if he was to have the same league record as Glenn had, which was  2.13 points ((32/15)) per league game played – John will need to get 40 points from the 19 games he will be in charge of since the Burnley game at home.

There’s 15 games to go and still 36 points needed to do that.

One way to look at that is that he needs 12 wins and three defeats in the last 15 games – John will get nowhere near that after a poor start with just one point from the first three league games he coached the side.

John’s still a real long shot to get the job permanently.

What do you think?

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19 comments so far

  • Jeff from Benwell

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:41 PM

    Comment #1
  • Jeff from Benwell

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:43 PM

    Comment #2

    and Lenny Kravitz and RHCP

  • optimistic prime

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:43 PM

    Comment #3

    Our toon

    I read the same thing as Beer and was very skeptical.

    It’s not so much the Burnley Ac point as you put it but I can’t see how you can use the same formula to find the value if a football club and another type of buisness.

    You can never say how much your outlay or income is going to be, far to many factors that normally wouldn’t be considered.

    I’d say the value of the club has definitely risen due to tv money, by how much is another thing.

    Can’t see us being worth more than 200, 250 at a stretch.

  • optimistic prime

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:45 PM

    Comment #4

    Pearce sacked from Forrest

  • welshgeordie9

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:46 PM

    Comment #5

    So then Alan, a tremendous run will get carver the job.

    Noooo you don’t say, you not as daft as you look.

    Ha ha ha

  • lesh

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:46 PM

    Comment #6

    Even if Carver got that run one would hope that the powers that be put the cost of recruiting a new Head Coach to one side and consider Roeder’s record after he was appointed as Manager. They probably won’t!

    An opportunity beckons Ashley now that Pearce’s left Notts Forest – another cheap option.

    Ashley should either put up or push off!

  • welshgeordie9

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:46 PM

    Comment #7

    Pearce for head coach anyone.

  • welshgeordie9

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:49 PM

    Comment #8

    i bet a few on here will be watching transfer deadline day tomorrow on sky sports news to see if we will sign anyone.

    Ha ha ha

  • croftus5678

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:49 PM

    Comment #9

    wheres our 3 new signings 🙁 i want deli ali and the 2 spanish lads ! may aswell prep for our future outgoing players.

  • welshgeordie9

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:50 PM

    Comment #10

    i think we will spend around 30 million tomorrow, two maybe three in.

  • Our Toon

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:51 PM

    Comment #11


    Again you’ve made a conclusion without fully understanding or reading what I put, I’ll try to make this easier for you.

    I have no time for shepherd and the debt under him was at 70m, the TV deal was a fraction of what it is today yet we competed on the pitch which gave us great commercial revenue. So I believe under Shepherd we would have still got this massive tv deal as it’s not something MA has negotiated. Off the field we would have sold all advertising allocations and got a better deal than Wonga amongst others and we would finish higher up the table and try in cups which all would bring in more revenue.

    Under your illustrious leader the great MA we currently have a worse shirt sponsor both in name and in financial aspects than the previous deal, we have a good recruitment system but use it incorrectly, the debt has risen from 70m to 140m which was then reduced to 129m so again we are worse off.

    We are the only club in world football that fails to sell all of the advertising allocation, we aim for no higher than 10th and limited cup runs which all amount to less revenues.

    As for skimming yeah Shepherd did it behind closed doors, SD currently gets 3.5m for housing nufc merchandise, and the free advertising which would amount to 15m/20m a year ahaha what would you call that? Before you say well we would have had to pay loan interest, that loan would have ended in 2014!! So do you dispute any of these facts?

  • JDdubai

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:52 PM

    Comment #12

    Pearce would be worse than pardew

  • 9

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:52 PM

    Comment #13

    Optimistc @3
    You think NUFC is worth “200,250 at a stretch”.
    Good lad, pleased you’re nowhere near ( I confidently assume) any financial decisions. I can justify a valuation of £750M+, would be pleased to see your justification of £200 (I’m assuming you mean M!)

  • Belfast

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:56 PM

    Comment #14

    I said months ago when they where top of the league Pearce wasn’t a good manager. Don’t have a clue how he got that job In the first place.

  • firebug666

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:56 PM

    Comment #15


    Oh I see you can be rude too, I have a life thank you very much.

    You have gone on and on about FACTS in all your posts, so I have put some there for you. Is it because they are facts that you don’t like them?

    Ashley only want the club to be a mid-table advertising board.

    He does not want us to compete for Europe as it costs too much money, and the extra games tire the players and could have an adverse effect on our league position….FACT because the club told us so.

    He does not want us to compete for the domestic cup because if you are not in the top 5-6 teams you will get relegated, and the did research to prove this. FACT because the club told us so.

    So you tell me now:

    What are we going to compete for?

    Maybe you should try using a user name rather than just displaying your IQ.

  • beermonkey

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:57 PM

    Comment #16


    no the value also includes what our brand is worth which since Ashley has owned us our brand value has gone down

    tbh its all a bit mythical all these sums ultimately like anything whether its a car or a football club its only worth whats some1 is willing to pay

    what no1 seems to be able to put a figure on is what we are worth as an advertising tool to sd

    we must be the only set of fans that argue about the state of the finances

  • 9

    Feb 1, 2015 at 7:06 PM

    Comment #17

    Our Toon @11
    Many thanks for pursuing the facts of the matter, there’s no doubt you have information I’m unaware of, so thanks for the input.
    Taking your points in the order you produced them, in exactly your own words:
    “Under Shepherd…we competed on the pitch which gave us great commercial revenue”(Did it? Against mutli-billionaitres? Is this true/realistic?)
    “we would have got a better deal than Wonga” (clearly supposition, not fact)
    “we would finish higher up the table” I think you’ve left factual reality well behind by this point; this is your opinion, substantiated by….your opinion
    “and cups bring in revenue” agree 100%
    “worst shirst sponsor than previous regime” I agrre about the name, have no information to judge your comment re value, can you kindly advise? (I don’t think current owner is a financial idiot)
    “We are the only club…..which amounts to less revenue” so, again, you think our owner is a financial mug.
    Good luck with that lot, mate.

  • sickandtired

    Feb 1, 2015 at 9:55 PM

    Comment #18

    Our Toon – correct in many respects and keep highlighting these things – too many people just don’t get it or don’t know of it (however unbelievable that may sound).

    8 years of ownership and we still owe him 129 mil. Our largest commercial income is from TV which he had no involvement with.

    750 mil is also an accurate estimation of our worth as a business if using the Profit to Earnings method (and expected profits of at least 50 mil in this years accounts.)

  • sickandtired

    Feb 1, 2015 at 10:07 PM

    Comment #19

    Ashley also changed the accounting practises and now the club release the bare legal minimum.
    Last accounts from Shepherds time saw commercial revenue at 26.7 mil. You can Google all this yourself if you want or can be bothered.
    The club has accounted for Wonga and Puma deals in its accounts already and as a result our commercial revenue in real terms was at 12.4 mil or so.A drop of 50%.
    Puma as you surely know has a business arrangement with SD. Are you seriously going to question if the kit deal benefits NUFC or SD when the merchandising/retail already goes there and they (SD) pay nothing for ground advertising? As is also available online, at the SD AGM Ashley was asked how those deals benefited the club or SD and he replied ” SD and its shareholders benefit substantially from this arrangement”.
    The owner is far from a financial idiot. He is though milking this club for all it’s worth while also ensuring its potential asset value increases.
    We all know he is buying cheap and selling higher. It is a fact that the club has still 20+ mil profit from player sales since ’08. Add that to any profits made in this years accounts (widely suggested as 50 mil or more) and then ask yourself again where that is going to? Its not on the pitch is it? Its not on a world class coach is it?


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