Seven Players Move Out – Money Rolls In – Squad Weakened


It doesn’t look like we will be bringing in any players in this winter transfer window – so the bottom line is that we sent out six players on loan, and sold one player permanently.

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Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa – sold to Roma

So that’s seven players we have let leave Newcastle in this January transfer window and not brought one in.

We lost out to Tottenham for Dele Alli and the deal was confirmed and he is delighted to join such a big club as Tottenham.

It may have been the speech he had made up on Wednesday, and simple replaced Newcastle with Tottenham?

Mike Ashley will be counting up the wages the club will save, with those players being sent out, and the loan fees the club will get, plus the £5.5M we got from Roma for Yanga-Mbiwa.

So it was a case of players going out, and the money flowing into the club in terms of one transfer fee, multiple loan fees. and saved wages.

And what did we do for the Newcastle squad – well we didn’t make it any stronger – that’s for sure.

Does this sound familiar?

And we almost forgot we got as much as £4M for Alan Pardew as compensation when he moved to Palace.

Have we said before that Mike Ashley only thinks about saving and making money at Newcastle United?

This is a good example of that.

Mike’s helped out his other club Rangers FC big time, but done nothing (what again?) for Newcastle United.

That’s the truth – at least in this window.

And the sad thing is there is no way things will improve one iota, as long as Mike Ashley owns the club.

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104 comments so far

  • Newcastleforlife

    Feb 2, 2015 at 11:55 PM

    Comment #1

    i think ffp has started to do its purpose. This transfer window has been more balanced compared to previous transfer windows… Roma has been the most impressive club in this window.

    Reg Newcastle: The worrying part was lack of interest in any defenders considering Schar and Reid has only 6 months left in their contract…

    Good Part: All the major players have stayed..

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  • Thump

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:03 AM

    Comment #2

    I don’t mind the young players being loaned to Rangers. Vuckic, Ferguson, and I think Streete are all out of contract. If they haven’t been given a new contract now, it’s unlikely they will get one with us. The other three could use the game time, and given Rangers current situation it’d be very beneficial for both parties.

    But… has Ashley really just played his hand? Is this the future for NUFC and Rangers?

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  • Newcastleforlife

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:06 AM

    Comment #3

    what iffffffff… Ashley is trying to implement a chelsea model.. Chelsea using Vittese as a stepping stone for their players who are not good and getting 1 or 2 million from the likes of Sunderland etc by just marketing them..

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  • 70TWO

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:10 AM

    Comment #4

    I would like to project my usual label for MA being a Cheapskate but in light of the generosity shown to Rangers it seems disingenuous. However conniving and ruthless do appear to fit, as he is clawing back the money he has loaned them by paying NUFC player wages. An expense they would not otherwise be able to afford and yet significantly places them in deeper debt. Like giving a blood transfusion and cutting an artery at the same time.

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  • 70TWO

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:18 AM

    Comment #5

    Ed – don’t make the easy mistake of thinking Rangers is Ashleys’ club. At the moment the only interest he has in it is to run it down, bankrupt the business and buy out the other shareholders. Like every other business he has taken a hand in.

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  • Canny in Canberra

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:19 AM

    Comment #6

    The upside to all this is recent behaviour leans towards Big Man getting all his ducks in a row with a view to focusing on Ranger. Hopefully this means he will be letting us go.
    Although, and this is a sickening thought, what if he doesn’t sell us but puts all the efforts and ambition we would like to see ours into Rangers and keeps us on the back burner to facilitate getting them into Europe.
    Wow, Just depressed myself big time.
    Any progress on that rifle Average? I may have need of it first!!

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  • 70TWO

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:22 AM

    Comment #7

    Newcastle United FC ? @NUFC

    Gaël Bigirimana, Kevin Mbabu, Shane Ferguson, Remie Streete and Haris Vu?ki? have joined @RangersFC on loan. #NUFC

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  • toonicle

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:30 AM

    Comment #8

    I would be ok with the loans to rangers if we had bothered to bring someone in, it’s not like they just decided to do this major transfer of players up north at the last minute, it’s been planned for weeks if not longer yet we don’t use the squad openings to address serious problems in the squad we just limp on and Cashley pockets money again. Must be about 15 million we made this window with selling Pards, Mbiwa and the loan fees not to mention wages saved. Colo is going to want his spring vacation back home soon and will hurt his back and what do we have then?

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  • expatmag

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:30 AM

    Comment #9

    He is so obviously asset stripping.

    Look at the evidence.

    Sold MYM….5.5 Million
    Pardew Compo…..3.5 million
    HBA Contract ripped up
    Santon loaned out….4 million in the summer

    There will be no salary savings on the 5 lads at Rangers as Ashley has already loaned them the money from our resources.

    Our squad is severely weakened by these moves especially in defence. We have absolutely no cover.

    He already has his grubby fat hands on 50 million sky money from last season and and now he is waiting for the 60 million we will get this season to pocket.

    He has had over a month to bring in a manager/head coach and failed to do so. Most decent coaches have distanced themselves from the job. Even most inept ones too like Pulis Bruce and Sherwood.

    Now, we have 18 year old kids from league 1 turning us down and the only coach really interested in us is Carver who is a dinosaur.

    But lads, not to worry. Expect to see a whole host of average incoming players in the summer starting with the 2 lads from Forest who cant even get a game in their struggling team.

    Of course, the sky money wont be touched and any new players will be funded from the sales of Sissoko, Cisse, Krul, Perez and Tiote and even then, the fat twat will make a profit on these deals before finally shifting his arse north.

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  • lesh

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:37 AM

    Comment #10

    Expat

    Just reading your last post (no pun intended but ironic words), your anger comes leaping out.

    You’re not alone Expat ‘though we will doubtless be blessed with posts apparently trying to justify Ashley’s prudence.

    Yes, it’s past the witching hour, it’s troll time.

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  • Carryingcoals

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:39 AM

    Comment #11

    Article I did on Ashley’s approach to the transfer window. Exploring a bit about his involvement in Rangers and using NUFC to his benefit for his future plans.

    http://bdai.ly/6yP3

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  • lesh

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:40 AM

    Comment #12

    Canny in Canberra

    Your first paragraph’s wishful thinking.

    The second, well, I think it’s nearer the reality.

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  • BoyDoneGood

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:44 AM

    Comment #13

    [reposted]

    Saying that a mid-Premiership status amounts to destruction of the club is a bit disrepectful to half the Prem and another 72 clubs for that matter. We are – like many other clubs – as good as we can afford to be. Chelsea have debts of nearly a billion, losses of 50+ million and a wage bill of around 180 million. Does that make any sense? City have a smaller debt, but similar losses and a wage bill of over 230 million. Liverpool have similar losses, and a wage bill of over 130 million, more than twice Newcastle’s. QPR have even higher losses, Man U have a 295 million debt with very high interest payments and a bigger wage bill than Chelsea’s… Villa has nearly 3 times our wage bill and a debt of around £190M. Should our debt be doubled, and should we be saddled with double the wage bill (making it virtually impossible to reduce the debt)? It wouldn’t be enough – we could never win the title.
    Shame we didn’t sign Dele Alli, but if he watches MOTD no wonder he chose the bench at Spurs instead of more likely starts here – too much pointless unpleasantness in the stadium about financial attitudes which are actually prudent. If you want to take out a mortgage on your house to back an outsider in the Grand National, go ahead – but don’t expect a successful entrepreneur to join in your fantasy.

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:46 AM

    Comment #14

    It’s shocking just how badly we are run.

    There was no sense of urgency to get a new manager in. And then no one even bothered to bring any players in but we are enthusiastic in getting players out.

    Amazing really….

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  • lesh

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:49 AM

    Comment #15

    There you go Expat, BoyDoneGood’s won the race to be the first mischief maker on this thread.

    It didn’t take long did it!

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  • BoyDoneGood

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:50 AM

    Comment #16

    You’re right. I made up all those numbers.

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  • lesh

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:51 AM

    Comment #17

    Ashley’s behaviour towards the Club and its fans suggests to me that he’s repaying the fans for all the grief he’s had.

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  • 70TWO

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:54 AM

    Comment #18

    Presuming Rangers do get promoted the expense of building a team that could win the League and play in Europe would take a substantial loan from Ashley with little chance of repayment from the revenue created. However the private sales and loan agreements between the two clubs could be beneficial and increase the pool of players that could potentially be drawn from, increasing the opportunity for players to develop and attracting in young recruits eg. the Chelsea model.

    The important question is how likely is it that Ashley will want to create a team that will play in Europe? In order to minimise costs he will probably just expand the existing model. Gaining the maximum profit by transferring players in and out quickly and in greater numbers. Otherwise it would be Rangers that have the best chance at successfully qualifying for UEFA competitions.

    If I were Carver, rather than bonuses based on league places I would be looking for a cut of the transfer profit, or a flat commission rate.

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  • BoyDoneGood

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:55 AM

    Comment #19

    He certainly claimed back in 2008 (when he tried to sell after fan outrage) that he had intended to put in £10M a year – presumably that suggested that he no longer would, and therefore that the club would have to pay its way without sweeteners.

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  • Shadow_Shearer

    Feb 3, 2015 at 12:58 AM

    Comment #20

    Who’s the seven players?

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  • Mister Tuff

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:00 AM

    Comment #21

    boydonegood – not correct Tubbs said in 2008 he had intended to spend £20 million per year out of his own pocket – but subsequently said he was not prepared to do it.

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  • BoyDoneGood

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:05 AM

    Comment #22

    Mr Tuff – thanks for the correction. I misremembered the figure.

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  • 70TWO

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:06 AM

    Comment #23

    BoyDoneGood

    I think you are correct in your hypothesis, which is a commonly held view, but how do you explain the success of Athletico Madrid and Borrusia Dortmund against teams with much greater spending power. I think also that Roma are able to prudently challenge in their own league and in Europe.

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  • rowly

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:06 AM

    Comment #24

    Boydonegood talks perfect sense. Everyone should stop begging big mike for money and accept that we are a well run financially viable club. Success this way will not come over night as it did with Leeds and Portsmouth but will take time like it is with Everton and Southampton

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  • lukes26

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:06 AM

    Comment #25

    not really bothered by transfer mkt

    Newcastle really only need 7-8 pts for safety. Nothing really to play for.

    Swansea, stoke ..the only 2 other teams with nothing else to play for… didnt sign anyone either.

    Newcastle have a relatively deep squad aside from CB and ST. Plenty of youngster who could use playing time.

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  • 70TWO

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:07 AM

    Comment #26

    5 loaned to Rangers / Santon / Mbiwa and also cancelled HBA contract, making 8 out.

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  • expatmag

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:08 AM

    Comment #27

    Lesh

    I cant believe anyone still supports this owner.

    After we lose to Stoke, let the bloodletting begin. Hang the bastard from the rafters of his new big staduum Tv screen by his buster

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  • expatmag

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:08 AM

    Comment #28

    BROWNS

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  • rowly

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:11 AM

    Comment #29

    70two I think that athletico have a better scouting team than us and borussia have a better youth set up. We are spending money to improve our academy and Carr is doing a good job with his scouting. I’m sure mistakes are made but in general I’m sure were on the right track. Losing mike Ashley half way through his project could be disastrous we must be careful what we wish for. 50000 fans on match day is no longer enough to challenge for the title

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  • MacToon

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:11 AM

    Comment #30

    “Ashley’s arbitrary decisions are always rationalised and explained not by him, but the sad people who just love being abused by him.”

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  • 70TWO

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:15 AM

    Comment #31

    In brief the transfer window saw in general more players leaving clubs than going in and NUFC are one of four clubs that had no incoming players Burnley, Liverpool and West Ham being the others.

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  • BoyDoneGood

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:28 AM

    Comment #32

    Found it! This is from Ashley’s 2008 statement:

    “I knew that the club would cost me money every year after I had bought it. I have backed the club with money. You can see that from the fact that Newcastle has the fifth highest wage bill in the Premier League. I was always prepared to bank roll Newcastle up to the tune of £20 million per year but no more. That was my bargain. I would make the club solvent. I would make it a going concern. I would pour up to £20 million a year into the club and not expect anything back. It has to be realised that if I put £100 million into the club year in year out then it would not be too long before I was cleaned out and a debt ridden Newcastle United would find itself in the position that faced Leeds United.”
    With the 5th highest wage bill we could have challenged for top places, but without the £20M p.a. that is not possible. I think we are now about 11th, which means that – give or take a couple of places – we will finish 11th under normal mamagement.
    It’s true that some managers excel in getting extra value out of their players – Arsene Wenger is a good example, not just because the players perform well, but because he spots great players available cheap, like Fabregas and Flamini who were both free signings. But Wenger is a scholar and has many years of experience at the top. John Carver isn’t a Wenger or a Hodgson or a Pearson or a Moyes. So far, he’s not even a Pardew.

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  • 70TWO

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:29 AM

    Comment #33

    rowly

    I really do want to get behind this regime but have a strong feeling that the policy that the club is run by is only beneficial to a few and not the supporters or sports fans. The ambition to compete has been abandoned; moral and the relationship with supporters has been shattered; and it is obvious that decisions are made for purely economic reasons and to benefit the owner rather than the club, the community and the team brand.

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  • 70TWO

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:33 AM

    Comment #34

    night

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  • Canny in Canberra

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:38 AM

    Comment #35

    BDG
    That statement proves he is as dum as he looks then. No one in their right mind buys a football club to make money. Clubs are money pits. He makes it sound like he bought us as a favour to us. to help us out of the goodness of his heart. FFS. He’s gleaned his pound of flesh from us and no mistake. Sob sob, poor hard done by billionaire. Lets hope its soon to be bye bye billionaire!

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  • one fine day

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:44 AM

    Comment #36

    Repost from previous stream.
    one fine day // Feb 3, 2015 at 1:27 AM

    Boy Done Good,
    When has anyone on here said they wish to emulate Chelsea or Man Utd in what they spend?

    Your correct in saying that we should be as good as we can afford to be.
    Only we can afford to be a lot better than our current level.
    I think 90% on here if asked would use Southampton Swansea (how did it come to this?)as something of a business model to follow rather than Chelsea as we all realise that without Mr Roubles its not sustainable.

    Why do you think most on here want a manager such as frank de boar over Mourinho?
    Maybe its because we realise he can get the best out of squad as whole without needing to blow budgets out the water ala Van gal or as you indicated Rednapp.
    Sorry if the atmosphere at times is unpleasant for you.
    I prefer to call that passion and I’d be more worried if the place was full of simple polite applause as it would further demonstrate how much more has been ripped from this proud club.
    Off the field I think we are run to a reasonable standard.
    I ask only that profits are invested back in to the club (player sales and TV revenue for example)
    We sell a player(s) every January and all the club statements and scripted interviews cannot hide the fact that once we are at 40 pts that’s where the season ends.

    Name me one club anywhere who is so terrified of playing in Europe that they effectively derail a season if it looks remotely likely?
    Please do not bring up the debt to Ashley which stands at the same level every year and is held up to quell a revolt by the restless natives.

    That can never be paid back due to the fact that he has cut every revenue stream we had including advertising (not happy with plastering it on every area of the stadia he has even erected a minty looking screen that looks like he got from Argos to show even more) so how much is that worth a season to company building a global brand ?
    He is still (ongoing) attempting to transfer acreage around the stadium to Mash holdings with the sole purpose of holding this over any new buyer who wishes to expand the stadium south of the Gallowgate allowing him to be still raking it in long after he has creamed everything from us and moved on.
    Have a look at how much more sports direct and Ashley are now worth since he bought us.
    Being prudent is one thing but an owner/D.O.F with a view of the big picture and a real grasp on modern day football would maybe have looked, for example at Bony ,realised the potential and not gone in with such insulting opening bids and packages.
    Please feel free to work out how much Swansea got him for and how much he has just made them.
    Look also what a club like Swansea will do with that extra revenue .
    That could be why they enjoy a stadium with less “pointless unpleasantness”
    Be interested who you’d like to see as our next coach/manager.
    Onto the horseracing analogies;
    If you want to back an outsider in the Grand National …mate we’ve been there already .. his name was Kinnear and yes as with all wide of the mark bets it fell at the first jump.

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  • Canny in Canberra

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:49 AM

    Comment #37

    OFD,
    Wow, er, yeah, wot you said!!

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  • BoyDoneGood

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:50 AM

    Comment #38

    [reply also reposted]

    Everyone here seems to think that club profits are just trousered by Ashley. That’s not legal nor could it be concealed. The auditor’s published accounts state that excess funds are in club reserves.

    Southampton is a good model, but their current squad is largely paid for by the profits from products of the youth system there (Shaw and Lallana), and they have been excellently managed (coached). And they make losses of several million. Fans want Newcastle to be an exceptional club, too, but it’s not easy. Look at “the Bank of England Club” down the road – they’re worse than Newcastle most seasons, they cry in their beer about their past glories… The glory days have gone.
    Anyway, I’m one of the ones that votes for Garde in Ed’s polls, precisely because he is an expert in finding talent and in working under a selling chairman, i.e. he is a clever and flexible strategist.

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  • Sydney Toon

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:51 AM

    Comment #39

    Okay Im going to attempt to put all this into perspective.

    The Yanga Mbiwa deal was setup on Pardews suggestion that he was not good enough. Pardew leaves for Palace in January and Mbiwa has proven a fine asset to Roma, in a league that has a physical nature to it. In other words, the clause that has activated the sale of Mbiwa was obviously lock tight, therefore we should be blaming Pardew for the incorrect sale of Mbiwa.

    The Santon deal to me appears to be based on Haidara moving ahead of the order and Janmaat proving to be a great purchase, that Santon wanted first team football. To move back to Inter and work under Mancini would have been to hard to say no to, considering the loss of Pardew who backed Santon a lot.

    The other four loaned out – do any of us really believe that Ferguson, Vuckic, Streete and Bigi would have had any part of our season?? If we loaned out say Ameobi, Good, Satka or god forbid Abeid, then I would be seriously questioning the deal. From memory 3 or all four are out of contract in the summer, this would be a chance to prove themselves to gain a contract. They are just players in our U-21 development squad. With players like Armstrong, Roberts and a few others already graduating from the U-18 squad earlier than expected, we are simply shifting weight to give others a chance. I’m sorry but all 4 players have had their chance and have not delivered. Streete perhaps could be labelled as harsh but he is very injury prone.

    Now if I thought about the intent from Ashley, he has asked for 4 squad players that are readily available but wont impact on Newcastle’s main squad depth. These 4 would stick out to me instantly. I highly doubt he has picked them himself, but has asked Carr, Beardsley, Carver and Charnley on who might be available.

    Think about it, if Rangers get promoted, spend well in the summer and win the league or finish 2nd, we are looking at Ashley selling up quickly, if its already not in the works. As I have said before, I agree with some decisions made by Ashley but disagree on a lot of others, in the end I like to make sense of things.

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  • one fine day

    Feb 3, 2015 at 1:52 AM

    Comment #40

    canny,
    Still got that cannon?
    Thinking of a two for one shot:)

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