If You Don’t Go For The Win – You Don’t Get The 3 Points


It’s hard to fault John Carver for the enthusiasm he is showing in taking over the head coach job temporarily until the summer, but results are what are important and wins are what will propel Newcastle up the league table.

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A great goal by Papiss Cisse brilliantly set up by Daryl Janmaat

And it was fairly obvious last night that one Crystal Palace equalized John was more worried about preserving a point than going for the win.

Of course losing to Crystal Palace, who are now managed by Alan Pardew, would have been very hard to take – but to be successful you also have to be positive and show courage – and go for it.

If you don’t buy the ticket you don’t win the lottery, and by the same token if you don’t try to win a game you’ll not get the 3 points.

John now has 6 points in the six league games he has managed one thing that is fairly obvious is the defense seems much more compact and steady now, but we still need to be more resilient and not conceding late goals when we are in a winning position.

This is what John said after the match last night:

“We see how difficult it is to win games in the Premier League. I’ve now had six games and we have lost two out of six.

“This is my glass being half full. We’ve lost two games, one to the potential champions Chelsea, and one to Southampton late on, who were third at the time.”

“They are two difficult games. I am really positive.” “We have a break this weekend and I am going to give the guys a few days off.” “Their focus and concentration has been first class.”

“Everything I have asked them to do, they have done for me.” “You can see that a group of players who do have ability but are certainly working for the cause.”

“They are working for the club, the badge and the fans. That’s very important. I will give them a few days to recharge their batteries.”

“Let’s not forget that we did have one game less to prepare for Palace. So it does make a difference at this level.”

“The majority of the team were the same one that played last Sunday. So I will give them a few days off.”

But that first sentence reveals something about John – he seems more worried about losing than he is keen about winning – and with 3 points for a win – Newcastle must go for the wins and not be satisfied by draws.

And that’s especially against the teams like Crystal Palace in the lower half of the table.

We’ve only lost two of the six league games John has managed, but we have only won one – and  only have 6 points – which is only just above relegation form – and isn’t  good.

It’s really all about ambition – and top coaches concentrate on how they can win, and not on how they don’t lose.

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23 comments so far

  • oldbobaycliffe

    Feb 12, 2015 at 3:57 PM

    Comment #1

    looking at our last 4 home games the crowd has gone down from match to match everton 52,313 to stoke 47,763 perhaps our supporters are starting to see the light

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  • MacToon

    Feb 12, 2015 at 3:58 PM

    Comment #2

    smid1690 ‘s post was probably his first post and most likely in moderation as some, like myself, missed his post. I do know of groups who have been in touch with Rangers fans groups for quite a while now.
    A big advantage for Rangers at the minute is that it’s not solely owned by one person, yet, and they still have a slim chance of someone else coming in. Of course they can also call shareholders meetings etc. and even if they are held in London there’ll still be fans represented.
    I do think that their fans have already put our “Toon Army” to shame though but I suppose a day at SJP is a good day out catching up with your mates.

    Changing the time of the walk out at the last minute was ridiculous imho.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Feb 12, 2015 at 3:58 PM

    Comment #3

    Carver = score goals and hold out for the win

    Pardew = hold out for a draw and hope to score a winning goal.

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  • MadisonToon

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:00 PM

    Comment #4

    If Carver drew the final 13 games of the season he would be happy. End on 45 points, safety guaranteed, probably finish around 11-13th and feel pretty good about it.

    He was trying to prove something in the first few matches and sent the team out to attack, but now that he has a job guaranteed through the summer, he’s on damage limitation duty rather than trying to prove anything. If he does OK, MA will give him the job so he knows that he just needs to not completely bottle it. Definitely frustrating, but expected.

    The question becomes, do fans want to the team to finish in 14th-16th so that MAs hand is forced to make a change and not give it to JC and bring in a new manager in the summer, or finish higher up and keep JC? Hell of a difficult question.

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  • cyprus

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM

    Comment #5

    Did you mention that you’ll give them a few days off …

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  • Wayayman

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM

    Comment #6

    I’m thinking of sueing Sky, BT sport and the internet streams I’ve been looking at recently as clearly these are NOT the games Carver (or Pardew before him) have been watching. Not sure about the games I’ve been to in the flesh though. Maybe I’m going mental and have been actually been sleep-watching utterly hopeless, defensive one-up-front rubbish when actually what the coach/manager has been serving up is their legendary on-the-front-foot pass-and-move football.

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  • cyprus

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:05 PM

    Comment #7

    On Carver,
    I recommended from the very start that the betting people lay money on him. Now, I think, if there is such a bet, 99% he’s gone by the summer. The 1% is for if he miraculously starts winning game after game.

    I think he’ll probably end up an average of a point a game. Out he goes.

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  • Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:07 PM

    Comment #8

    MadisonToon

    Can’t see why that’s a difficult question in the slightest?

    Obviously take 14th/15th and get someone in who has the ability, credentials and drive to take us forward.

    Our season has been crap so far so what is there to be gained by finishing 10th? A bit more money we will never see? No thank you.

    As far as I’m concerned I wish the season would finish right now.

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  • Our Toon

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:08 PM

    Comment #9

    Cyprus

    If we stay up, carver is 99% nailed on to get the job on a 12 month rolling contract!! Do you honestly think MA is looking at the style of play? Carver will see it as unbeaten in 3 and MA will see it as cheap as chips!!

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  • Lindisfarne

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:08 PM

    Comment #10

    If the 10 out field players stand on the goal line (piggy back at each end) for 90 mins we would potentially have 13 points in the bag, 45 in total and a mid-table finish secured.

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  • Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:12 PM

    Comment #11

    I think another thing that’s a worry is that we’ve steadily declined over the last few years (5th was a complete anomaly), paired with growing fan unrest and the TV money now being such that smaller clubs we were taking for granted by being better than them by default, have and will continue to start spending more money and strengthening.

    If the club policy continues as it has, we will be relegated in 2-3 years, no doubt about it.

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  • toon kk

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:13 PM

    Comment #12

    I wonder when Carver decided to bring Cisse off and play out for the draw, he just new our lackluster bunch couldn’t get into their box, let alone score. We were already playing to our potential going forward, so as soon as they upped there game we couldn’t compete so had to revert to defending.
    We don’t play like a team, just individuals who are out of their depth.

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  • cyprus

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:13 PM

    Comment #13

    OurToon,

    I do. He goes to games, if he didn’t I’d agree. Last night’s game was a hard watch, no one would enjoy that. If it were your toy, would you? Unless he hates the Geordie nation so much that… etc.

    Side bet, remind me if I’m wrong.

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  • greekgeordie

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:16 PM

    Comment #14

    most people would have taken the point before kick off, not that Palace is a team to fear but the Pardew factor had to be considered, and of course the recent run that Palace had since Pardew got the job, gave them a psychological advantage.
    Of course Palace had done their home work and water the pitch to almost saturation prior to the game, to suit their style of play, and stop Newcastle pass the ball around.
    I agree that the game was not a classic but the Manager and team dealt with the circumstances as well as could be expected.

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  • Our Toon

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:16 PM

    Comment #15

    Cyprus

    If he was so fond of his toy he would accept mediocrity!! If he was so fond of his toy he’d want to achieve things and actually splash cash on making it better rather than spending enough to help it survive.

    Carver will get the job and he’ll forfeit his 8 year contract for a 12 month rolling contract, will get the sack around November!!

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  • BandB

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:17 PM

    Comment #16

    Who seriously imagines there will be a major inquiry if we don’t finish 10th? That careers will be blighted and heads will roll?
    Does anyone remember the big root and branch review that was coming when Pardew finished 16th?
    It amounted a brief statement that Mike was relaxed about things.
    Tenth place finishes are for the brochure.
    If you think you are paying to see a top ten team, you may find yourself disappointed over the coming seasons.
    Finishing 12th will be shrugged off, then 14th. And soon fans will start talking about us being no “bigger” than QPR and Sunderland.

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  • Our Toon

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:19 PM

    Comment #17

    He is using us for SD and other Mash Holding products. He’s buying businesses and advertising them on a global stage and all for no cost….that’s what he fond of!!

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  • cyprus

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM

    Comment #18

    Maybe you’re right. My instinct is such people don’t want to lose. This is the one thing which is pulling him down (not financially), it mustn’t be fun.
    Would love to have a chat with him, then come here and reveal all 🙂

    Didn’t he come to Cyprus last year? Will keep a look out.

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  • optimistic prime

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:24 PM

    Comment #19

    As long as he keeps us in EPL he’s happy, this year there maybe one gamble to many and his cheap ass tactics could back fire!

    Don’t worry though I’m sure he’ll lend the club some more money to get promoted.

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  • cyprus

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:27 PM

    Comment #20

    If you have 3.7 bil, do you still think money and penny pinching is that important? To buy what? Is it not the pursuit of success? Would be shocked to learn that.

    Anyway, hate to defend him. Just want my team to kick ass.

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  • toon kk

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:27 PM

    Comment #21

    BandB
    we’re hardly better than Sunderland and QPR now, we actually playing the worst football in the premier league at the moment. We did the same second half of last season. If it hadn’t been for Remy we would have been relegated.
    We maybe a bigger club than a lot but we’re run like a newly promoted one on a very tight budget.

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  • BandB

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:29 PM

    Comment #22

    I started going along (being taken, really) in 1982.
    In those early years I witnessed some unimaginable dross.
    Like now, the discussion was how long it would be before a freak like Gazza was sold.
    What I did witness, generally, was a club being assembled from triers, even if they had come from the bargain basement. Which is where we, and football generally, was then.
    Last time we were relegated, it dawned on no-one until we were into March that we had a problem. But once we were in, it was just inevitable that WE would be the team that would shrug its shoulders and go down without a fight.
    The situation now is only a few points better in terms of our position. We have a cushion. If we lose that, there isn’t much between 14th and 18th. Who would bet this squad who fight harder than the 2009 one?
    For too many, as then, it would be a trapdoor out of a club they want to leave anyway.

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  • optimistic prime

    Feb 12, 2015 at 4:30 PM

    Comment #23

    Toon KK

    Bang on

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