Why Carver’s Not Cutting It As Newcastle Head Coach


John Carver taking over as caretaker manager at the beginning of the year is not unlike when Glenn Roeder took over from Graeme Souness after the former Liverpool great was fired in early February of 2006.

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John Carver – far too cautious and defensive

John Carver in his first seven games has done nowhere near as well as Glenn did, and in Roeder’s first seven games in charge, he had five wins and only one defeat – at Old Trafford.

In John Carver’s first seven games in charge we have one win and three defeats, and in the three draws we were ahead in each one of those games.

And in the last two games when we have gone ahead, Carver has hardly shown he is a positive manager willing to make the necessary moves to win the game.

John has simply tried to hang onto the lead, and when you try to do that you basically allow the opposition to attack you – and as we have seen they tend to equalize in those circumstances – and so we have essentially lost four points over the last two games.

John puts it in a positive light by saying we have been unbeaten in the last three games, but that means little, and points and wins are all that really matter,  and in six games we have a measly six points with one solitary win against a struggling Hull City.

In the Chronicle today, former Newcastle midfield star Rob Lee has made that point:

“John Carver put on two defensive minded players for two attackers at Crystal Palace to make sure we got a point.”  “That’s what everyone does.”

“We should be different. What does he have to lose? Go for the win. If it doesn’t work out then so what. We might finish eleventh and not tenth. Big deal. At least we tried.”

“Carver wants the job and I wish him luck. However, surely it would be better if the supporters can see that he is sending out his team to play in the way that crowd expect their team to be.”

John is a long shot for the head coach job to start with – so playing cautious football like he’s been doing and then complimenting himself after the games just doesn’t work.

After facing criticism for making too many defensive moves at Selhurst Park, John said he was in fact brave to start two strikers in the game.

John needs to show by his actions and not his words that he can be a brave and courageous coach who is  willing to take chances when a win is possible.

Actions always speak louder than words, and self praise is no recommendation.

John talks a good game – but he doesn’t always coach a good game – at least not from what we’ve seen so far.

He’s got 13 games left to change all that.

Should John Carver Be The Head Coach At Newcastle?

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159 comments so far

  • optimistic prime

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:17 PM

    Comment #1

    Johns got the job full time, don’t build your hopes up for a new coach in the summer.

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  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:35 PM

    Comment #2

    I honestly think that Carver would love to play fantastic football but like Pardew he just does not know how to do it properly

    In his and Pardews mind just putting 4 attackers on up top and letting them get on with it is their idea of attacking football

    There is no thought to passing movements and well rehearsed moves to get in on goal , no pressing to win the ball high up putting the opposition under pressure

    Teams have figured out our danger men in the last few games Cabella and Perez have been bullied by Stoke and Palace we should have a plan for creating space for them to operate in but its not happend

    Sissoko in the middle is a travesty he was much more effective on the right wing with Debuchy and Cabaye sending him passes to dominate the full back there is never space in the middle should be swapping him with Cabella would work better in the middle and he could slip in Sissoko who would be overlap with Janmaat

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:41 PM

    Comment #3

    He’s our new manager next season like it or not

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  • GeordieTwo

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:43 PM

    Comment #4

    Mike is having a close look at Malky McKay for next season. 😯

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  • GeordieTwo

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:43 PM

    Comment #5

    Or possibly Paul Lambert.

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  • Big Pappa Cissé

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    Comment #6

    @ optimistic

    I hope not m8, but your probably right .

    I just hang on to the fact that in the future if I ever have a son I can say “its not as bad as the Mike Ashley days” 🙁 .

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  • GeordieTwo

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    Comment #7

    Mike is looking to maximize our lack of excitement.

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  • optimistic prime

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    Comment #8

    Those stats are pretty pointless!

    What part of the pitch was the ball lost?
    Was the player attacking or caught in defence with the ball?
    Did the player retrieve the ball?
    How many times did that player win the ball?

    Cabella lost the ball once more than Sissoko and is a luxury we can’t afford? Two different positions but I’d prefer to be solid in Centre than a solid winger.

    Stats can be used to show pretty much what you want to show, very few are a true reflection of a players performance unless quite a few are combined and even then it’s not the full story.

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  • carl

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    Comment #9

    Newcastle United will remain content to drift, profitably, in Premier League mediocrity. For all the hot air and wind on here the real winner is Mike Ashley and what matters to him. It is irrelevant whether Pardew or Carver be Coach or Manager as its not so much doing well in the Premier League as simply existing there.

    As the latest Sky negotiations showed retaining a seat at the greatest bean-feast in club football history is what it’s all about. Newcastle will drift on under the stewardship of Carver.

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  • optimistic prime

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:47 PM

    Comment #10

    Bpc

    🙁

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  • optimistic prime

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:48 PM

    Comment #11

    G2 🙂

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  • LGFUAD21

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Comment #12

    The issue wasnt that he had to conserve a draw.

    It was that he didnt make the changes to stop us getting into the position where we had to.

    We were not trying to be defensive at the beginning of the second half.

    Palace pushed us back and forced us to play backs to the wall. That happens in football and just because you say “we are going to attack” doesnt mean you are. You are not able to attack. And we weren’t.

    Had Carver taken off Perez/Cabella and put Anita or Abied, we may have had the chance to slow the game down a bit and gradually regain our territory. Then he couldve looked to put someone like Obertan on to go for the win.

    Instead he waited until we had no chance but to throw another defender on to consolidate.

    He made the right call in the end but if he’d been more proactive with his decisions he wouldnt have had his hand forced.

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  • optimistic prime

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Comment #13

    Carl

    I hope a Ashley chokes at the trof

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  • GeordieTwo

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:50 PM

    Comment #14

    The key for next season according to Mike is how to cut the wage bill while maintaining our standards of mediocrity.

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  • LGFUAD21

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:50 PM

    Comment #15

    ….and ultimately we are unable to take the sting out of games by slowing them down because our players are not composed enough to knock it around and play out.

    It’s FORWARD OR BACK played by HOOFERS OR DRIBBLERS.

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  • LGFUAD21

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:51 PM

    Comment #16

    optimistic prime

    Interesting.

    Statistically we have been hurt more by attacks down the wing.

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  • sickandtired

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:53 PM

    Comment #17

    Mikey is going for the ultimate final insult and Poyet will be coming.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:54 PM

    Comment #18

    Let’s see now. If Colo retires and we sell Sissoko that will make a nice dent in the wages. Then we could move Gouffy on. And Krul is quite a high wage earner isn’t he? Hmmm. You’ll have to look into that as well Mike. 👿

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  • Big Pappa Cissé

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    Comment #19

    I actually had hope with Carver in charge till the end of the season watching us against Chelsea away in the first half as we took it too them which was an obvious game plan .

    We were beaten in the end, however defeats like that are easy to stomach because we actually looked like we wanted something from the game. The question is, why can’t we play like this all the time ?, Especially at home . Our last two performances were painful to watch .

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  • Big Pappa Cissé

    Feb 13, 2015 at 5:59 PM

    Comment #20

    I still think with our current group of players this year we have looked best with out and out wingers in the team, and Cisse has proved that if you put the ball in the box he will score .

    When Aarons is fit I would play:

    –Obertan——–Sissoko——–Colback——–Aarons–

    —————————–Cabella—————————-

    ——————————Cisse——————————

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  • GeordieTwo

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #21

    It’s dribblers and scrambly bits for JC LGFUAD mate. Many more draws against poor sides ahead.

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  • optimistic prime

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:02 PM

    Comment #22

    LFG

    One of the biggest problems in our wing play is Sissoko trying to join in and crowding the play instead of holding his position.

    But I’ll play, that again means nothing!!!

    Which position was the ball stolen from before being played in to the wing? Or does every goal that comes from the wing mean it must have been stolen from our winger or full back or they where to blame?

    How many where free kicks etc?

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  • AncientC

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:02 PM

    Comment #23

    We get a goal against Palace from exposing them down the right flank. The setting was perfect for Obertan to come on and hit them again from that side.

    Oh well, I guess sitting back and getting battered is always an option.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:05 PM

    Comment #24

    optimistic prime @8

    The stats don’t actually suggest that certain players should or should not have been on the pitch but just allow for comparison between the members of the squad. In this particular case the fact that Cisse was not the most wasteful in possession. Your additional questions have a modicum of relevance and you are clutching at straws to emphasis a point which only the naive has not already grasped. Other than that – good day.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:07 PM

    Comment #25

    Op

    Also do more goals come from the wing in general or is it just us who concede more from there.

    Like you say, unless you combine all possible stats and the reasons behind them it’s difficult to prove anything. If stats were all you need scouting would be pointless.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:07 PM

    Comment #26

    We can and we must cut the wage bill. Mike is spending far too much to run the club. Show a little consideration lads. This is serious. Mike the Pauper Billionaire is short of cash.

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  • optimistic prime

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    Comment #27

    Bpc

    No chance I’d play Sissoko and Pass back together!
    One can’t tackle and the other looks like he’ll give a yellow away every tackle. Sissoko can’t hold his position and wanders off far to much. Neither are great passers either.

    To be honest neither would play in cm if it was upto me.
    I’d play Abeid and Anita both all round better players IMO.

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  • optimistic prime

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:13 PM

    Comment #28

    Transfer

    There’s 100s of factors to consider in every star that’s put up.

    Only ones that stand apart are goals per game or yellow cards a game, pretty much everything else can be perceived however you please unless you consider all the factors.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:13 PM

    Comment #29

    Op

    I’d play abeid, sissoko and cabella in the middle. Cabella was amazing there for Montpellier when I saw him in the champions league.

    Out wide Id go for sammy (Aarons when fit) and Obertan, we need the pace out there given we haven’t got the technical ability to play through sides.

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  • toon kk

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:14 PM

    Comment #30

    Carver may make negative decisions, but every when we’re going for it we only have Cisse who can score and he relies on scaps.
    so it all falls down to some players simply not good enough but the big question is what goes on in training? We have a group of players who can’t seem to play as a team.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:14 PM

    Comment #31

    Op

    Even goal stats don’t tell everything. Is he in a side who scores a lot, a defensive team, an attacking team, what league is it, etc etc

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  • Transfer Sage

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:15 PM

    Comment #32

    Op

    If not sammy on the left it would be perez, he’s a better option

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  • GeordieTwo

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:16 PM

    Comment #33

    In yet another sad sack season here are the things that have pleased me the most this season:
    1. Perez getting to play a lot of minutes and getting experience in the Prem.
    2. Cisse getting his scoring touch back.
    3. The play of Haidara. He has been quite good for the most part.
    4. The improvement in Cabella’s play.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:18 PM

    Comment #34

    And here are some of the most disappointing things for me:
    1. The loss of De Jong to injury all season so far.
    2. The wildly variable play of Sissoko. Sometimes brilliant, sometimes terrible, sometimes indifferent.
    3. The fact Willo is still a regular in the lineup.
    4. The complete and utter failure of Ashley to be a decent, responsible, ambitious owner.

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  • stuart no9

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:20 PM

    Comment #35

    The one worrying stat as far as I am concerned regarding Wednesdays game is, we didn’t even have one offside in the whole match . Against palace that is shocking , just shocking . Draw your own conclusions to that one , but IMO it stinks of negativity .

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  • Big Pappa Cissé

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    Comment #36

    Anyone else dreading the City game ? .

    Aguero vs Willo 🙁 .

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  • GeordieTwo

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    Comment #37

    Very good point Stewy mate. We weren’t aggressive enough to have a single offside.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:24 PM

    Comment #38

    4-0 to City Big Pappa mate.

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  • Tsunki

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:30 PM

    Comment #39

    Stuart – gone are days when cisse was offside every 5 minutes then…

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  • Lindisfarne

    Feb 13, 2015 at 6:31 PM

    Comment #40

    House Nation – Friday night vibe – Pump it up

    http://youtu.be/aDk8-3ksE8g

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