Newcastle Still Not Safe – Supporters Deserve More


BBC pundits  Martin Keown and Phil Neville have chimed in about the terrible performance of the Newcastle players on Sunday in the our 3-0 loss, which gave Everton their first home league win in three months. and it was only their third league win in the last 13 games.

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Martin Keown – BBC pundit

Martin said that on 35 points we are still not safe,  especially after Burnley got three points yesterday and are still 3rd bottom but now only 10 points behind Newcastle:

“They have got to get back out to work – they are on 35 points but they need to get to 40 if they are to be sure to stay up.”

Phil Neville seemed to think most Newcastle players were already on their summer holidays, as he said this last night on the same program – BBC Match of the Day:

“Newcastle supporters deserve more, it looks to me like Newcastle players are on their holidays – they have got their flip-flops on.”

“To win football matches you have got to gamble, you have got to risk. All game they got into some really good positions but never really threatened or wanted to do that bit extra to actually go and gamble.”

“I think for John Carver he has got nine games left to get his job at the end of the season and he has to do something now, something really drastic, to change that mentality.”

“I don’t think that anybody just above the bottom, after that Burnley win, can put their flip-flops on.”

We think that John Carver has very little chance of getting the job in the summer, because he’s already proved he is not up to the job and he doesn’t have the right skills for the job of head coach.

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Phil Neville – shown last night on BBC

And he doesn’t seem to be able to inspire the players at all, and he was out-coached by Martinez yesterday.

In our last two away games we’ve looked just completely hopeless and the combined score has been 8-0.

We think John would need at least five wins in the last nine games to stand any chance of getting the job, and there’s no chance of that happening.

John’s record is 2 wins and 6 losses in 11 total games, and that’s an 18% win rate and a 54% loss rate – very poor stats.

Even if he won five of the last 9 games his win rate would still be only 35%.

Bobby Robson’s win rate at Newcastle in his five years at his home town club was 46.7% – just as a comparison – now there was a great manager!

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30 comments so far

  • Jeff from Benwell

    Mar 16, 2015 at 11:10 PM

    Comment #1

    The last time JC was caretaker when SBR was sacked his record was 100%.
    One win no losses no draws
    We beat Blackburn 3 – 1

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Mar 16, 2015 at 11:17 PM

    Comment #2

    From Nufc.com

    “And don’t forget that Everton had been in Europa League action here the previous Thursday – a commitment that Newcastle deemed too taxing and sacrificed in order to maximise their efforts domestically. You couldn’t tell.”

    ———–

    Exactly, because it’s a vastly over-inflated excuse, as a lot of us pointed out when ol’ long nose and his ‘excuse bingo’ bandwagon was here. Once again we’re shown up, and not only were we not in Europe, they were.

    Still, we can’t have Carver winning too many games, or he’ll actually get the job. I just hope he’s not nailed on for it regardless.

    Why groups haven’t got together to promote another specific walkout time, or total ground boycott is absolutely baffling, and very disappointing.

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  • jimmysmith

    Mar 16, 2015 at 11:22 PM

    Comment #3

    I’ve been prepared to give Ashley the benefit of what quite rightly has been considerable doubt. But if he doesn’t show some real intent to push forward in the off season, with big profits sitting in the bank, and coming off the back of two sabotaged and insipid seasons, I.’d be all for burning his house down.

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  • Munster Mag

    Mar 16, 2015 at 11:40 PM

    Comment #4

    Jimmy, you’re either incredibly patient or naive. I reckon patient. This club is now a farce, and so is premier league football. If a neutral was to compare, say, the savage defence of Wales when they played Ireland in the 6 nations, with the sad efforts of NUFC or SAFC players recently, he would wonder why anyone bothers supporting football at all.

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  • lesh

    Mar 16, 2015 at 11:41 PM

    Comment #5

    Interesting that one of the reasons Poyet was sacked was that the Club hadn’t made the progress expected of Poyet.

    Now one wonders whether Ashley’s even contemplated progress for NUFC?

    I wonder whether the mackems’d consider a straight swap – Ashley for Ellis Short?

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  • lesh

    Mar 16, 2015 at 11:43 PM

    Comment #6

    Noticed Bradford’s lacklustre performance in the FA Cup.

    Could that have been down to Ashley’s influence taking effect?

    Just a thought.

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  • BennygivesmeTinglyBalls

    Mar 16, 2015 at 11:49 PM

    Comment #7

    I’d be very surprised if we get anything from our next 4 games. Everyone on here know’s the club is a farce, just hope the moron’s that turn up at St. James have realised and boycott next few matches so the media have to take notice of this absolute joke of a club that Ashley has destroyed.

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  • leonado_keng

    Mar 17, 2015 at 12:26 AM

    Comment #8

    Mike Asshole is burning the hope of Newcastle United, end of season I believe many of key players move out of the club absolutely because of lack of ambitious and without good vision in football. Walk out of St.James Park to protest Mike , please please please before team seem to be worse a lot every seasons by Mike Ashley

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Mar 17, 2015 at 12:31 AM

    Comment #9

    lesh…I always thought Ashley wanted top 10? But that was probably more like a hope than a requirement?

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Mar 17, 2015 at 12:33 AM

    Comment #10

    Funny think with Ashley, you get the impression that he rewards staff who doesn’t reach the set target!

    …maybe not financially but you get to either keep your job or being offered it permanently! Go figure!

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Mar 17, 2015 at 12:34 AM

    Comment #11

    *thing

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  • lesh

    Mar 17, 2015 at 12:43 AM

    Comment #12

    Jesper

    You’re up late – feeding time for your new one? Bless you.

    Yes. Ashley is an oddball. He seems to the opposite of the norm.

    I used to admire his disregard for convention but now I’m convinced he’s mad, round the bend, crackers!

    😐

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  • lesh

    Mar 17, 2015 at 12:45 AM

    Comment #13

    And I’m whacked, worn out and off to bed. Maybe I’ll dream that Ashley’s sold the Club and goes on the next trip to Mars!

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  • Pop n Wyn

    Mar 17, 2015 at 12:46 AM

    Comment #14

    Maybe the last 5 games of the season is the escape route to safety, thats what the Hiarachy may be counting on, we had good results earlier in the season against the top teams but i really cannot see that happening again, we are clueless and maybe the flip flop quote is not to far away, but they have some pretty decent bonuses to play for still and we know what greedy buggers they are, we are getting totally what we deserve, and apart from a good 7 game run we would be in real hot water, the team that started on sunday is no better than the mackems imo, truely awful relegation fodder, and all this injury talk going on, only Cisse and Aarons would make any difference to our team anyways, Carver is still flapping about on the washing line in winging it City!

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  • jimmysmith

    Mar 17, 2015 at 4:01 AM

    Comment #15

    Yeah, one of the reasons I have been prepared to be patient, is because the league is so clearly financially doped at the very top end, making it far more likely at a club like Newcastle you’d most likely be spending to no real avail anyway. But these two risible seasons, back to back, coming at the tailend of eight years of ownership, even those patient beyond a fault would surely be past the tipping point. It’s past important the profits be seen to be being put back.

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  • toonincheek

    Mar 17, 2015 at 5:10 AM

    Comment #16

    Has any reason been given for the delay in publishing
    the accounts?
    That was supposed to happen last week.
    Any new date projected?

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Mar 17, 2015 at 5:34 AM

    Comment #17

    toonincheek…it takes time counting the money 😉

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Mar 17, 2015 at 5:40 AM

    Comment #18

    lesh…I know the Fat one is definitely an ‘idiot’…actions speak louder than words. I am sure others have a more eloquent term for him.

    I don’t know any other successful businessmen who rewards staff who doesn’t make their targets.

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  • firebug666

    Mar 17, 2015 at 6:41 AM

    Comment #19

    jesper

    The targets we are given by the club are not necessarily Ashley’s targets.

    We are told the club is aiming for 10th or better, this is simply to get bums onto stadium seats. Survival in the league will do for Ashley, rewards given for money saved on bonuses, and finishing anywhere above the bottom three.

    Profit is the only real targets set for the club, the football side of things is a necessary inconvenience where a bare minimum investment is all that is required to achieve league safety.

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  • cyprus

    Mar 17, 2015 at 6:45 AM

    Comment #20

    Is JC to shatter the inept one’s admittedly admirable negative records?

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  • catchy in norway

    Mar 17, 2015 at 6:49 AM

    Comment #21

    want to say well done to all the Sunderland fans for doing what our fans should have done a long time ago.

    they made things happen

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  • cyprus

    Mar 17, 2015 at 6:53 AM

    Comment #22

    Fire and Jesper,
    I like talking to you lads because you make sense and are likeable 🙂
    BUT,
    how do you know he just wants us to survive? If we could bet on it and somehow could ask him, I’d bet all I have – not much 😉 that he’d definitely deny that!
    He put a minimum goal out there, the muppets reached it (by tooth and nail), he had to pay up.

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  • cyprus

    Mar 17, 2015 at 6:55 AM

    Comment #23

    I HATE defending him, but it just doesn’t make sense. I mean, that he’d want a below average team. Cheapo yes, balanced books yes, but shxxxe why? Unless he’s a masochist.

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  • cyprus

    Mar 17, 2015 at 6:56 AM

    Comment #24

    Off for now. See you lads.

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  • firebug666

    Mar 17, 2015 at 7:01 AM

    Comment #25

    cyprus @20

    I would say he has the potential, I honestly thought that the inept one was the worst manager this football club had ever been lumbered with.

    Eyes wide open now; Carver makes the inept one look a class act. While the inept one was out of his depth when here, Carver has simply sank to the bottom.

    Any manager (head coach) should at least have the ability to coach some team cohesion into the players, give them a strategic plan, a formation that will work with the players he has, and at the very least the ability to string two passes together.

    Carver says he is the clubs biggest fan, he loves this club, he bleeds black and white etc. etc.

    However if any of the above was true he would be saying to the powers that be, get someone in asap to save my beloved club, instead he is doing his level best to destroy it, and this is out of selfishness, he wants the job, but more so the prestige that comes with it.

    He’s not an inept one’s clone, he’s the inept one’s reject.

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  • Ian Toon

    Mar 17, 2015 at 7:01 AM

    Comment #26

    1Jeff from Benwell // Mar 16, 2015 at 11:10 PM

    The last time JC was caretaker when SBR was sacked his record was 100%.
    One win no losses no draws
    We beat Blackburn 3 – 1

    It was 3-0 .

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  • firebug666

    Mar 17, 2015 at 7:20 AM

    Comment #27

    The truth of this is unavoidable really. Ashley has the power and the ability to make this club great, we could be everyone’s second favourite club again, and continue to make a profit.

    With the right investment in the team we could be having a go at the cups, Europe and the league.

    Ashley could be so much more than a greedy parasite, he could be loved by millions around the world, which in turn would give his one true love SD much more world wide exposure.

    So why doesn’t he then. Well that’s the simple truth isn’t it. He doesn’t want to.

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  • Mag52

    Mar 17, 2015 at 7:20 AM

    Comment #28

    Cyprus.

    I’d have to agree with you. Ashley is a big believer in setting incentives for his staff in SD and he clearly sees owning NUFC as part of a business venture.

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  • firebug666

    Mar 17, 2015 at 7:33 AM

    Comment #29

    Mag52

    Whilst I agree with you and Cyprus about Ashley and his incentives, the bigger picture shows a different story.

    Incentives may work well to extract the last drops of sweat and blood from poor Mr. Joe Bloggs who works in a SD tat shop, because at the end of the day the person wants to earn as much a possible for his family, and having a zero hour contract the incentives are his only way of making a bit extra.

    It’s different for the footballers though, the don’t have zero hour contracts so they a guaranteed a wage at least, but yes they do have some incentives, not that they seem to have any effect, I don’t see any of our players busting a gut to get that tenth place bonus.

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  • Mister Tuff

    Mar 17, 2015 at 7:33 AM

    Comment #30

    toonincheck.
    Mister Tuff // Mar 16, 2015 at 2:56 PM
    lesh – previous post re accounts.
    I wouldn’t be too concerned that the accounts have not been published yet.
    Last year they were published in February and the previous 2 years were published on 8th and 27th March respectively. So within typical time frame.

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