Home Rule Player Changes Would Impact Newcastle


FA Chairman Greg Dyke would like to make the rules for home grown players tougher in the Premier League, so that it gives more opportunities to English youngsters, so they can have a better shot at being successful than they have at the moment.

greg dyke FA Chairman

Greg Dyke – FA Chairman

The FA wants to bring in new rules starting next year and they would be phased in over a four year period, so that would make it easier for the PL clubs to comply.

Here are the new proposals:

  • Regardless of nationality, will have to be with his club from age 15 to qualify as home-grown players
  • The number of non-home grown players in each 25-man squad  to be reduced from 17 to 13
  • At least two home-grown players must be club trained.

talkSPORT are reporting that  Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and Newcastle United would not meet these new rules with their current squads.

But it seems the remaining 15 clubs would meet the requirements, but remember those five clubs would have ample time – four years – to adjust to meet the new rules.

At Newcastle there would be changes needed, and we currently have 15 non-home grown players in our 25 man squad list, so that would need to be reduced by two.

And goalkeeper Tim Krul would no longer be classified as a home-grown player, because he joined the club when he was 17 back in 2005 – the new rules would state that has to be 15.

FA Chairman Dyke is due to meet with the Premier League clubs this Thursday and you guessed it – there will be some resistance from those five clubs who wouldn’t meet the requirements today.

But it seems it’s a good move, because after all the league is in England, and we have to ensure the English youngsters get a fair crack of the whip.

It’s also interesting that Newcastle are making moves right now to bring more Englishmen into the squad – and that’s good.

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126 comments so far

  • Jail for Ashley

    Mar 24, 2015 at 3:19 PM

    Comment #1

    Time for Mikey to buy France and make it the
    84th County.

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  • optimistic prime

    Mar 24, 2015 at 3:24 PM

    Comment #2

    This would highlight our need for a total club over haul on the coaching front.

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  • nut meg

    Mar 24, 2015 at 3:29 PM

    Comment #3

    Makes a top head coach even more important if that idea is put into practice.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Mar 24, 2015 at 3:36 PM

    Comment #4

    all the talk of dele alli, the charlton kids and the spanish lads is all good in theory but pointless without proper coaching to develop them.

    They would go the same way as all the other Bigi’s, kadar’s, campbell’s etc.

    I kow ash has seemingly washed his hands of any personal involvement but surely he can tumble that his investments will not bear fruit with the current oh so limited coaching set up.

    A parent of any young lad wants the best coaching and ambition for his lad. How are they going to get that from the likes of stone who allegedly said ”i don’t know any tricks”!

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Mar 24, 2015 at 3:44 PM

    Comment #5

    Wouldn’t this increase the amount of kid labor (foreign kids at the age of 15 in the UK) in the PL and maybe the Championship?

    …does anyone know what the reaction is from other clubs (or Newcastle for that matter?)

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Mar 24, 2015 at 3:46 PM

    Comment #6

    nut meg…exactly! The youth setup will be the cornerstone of the club suddenly. We will need completely new personal.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Mar 24, 2015 at 3:54 PM

    Comment #7

    I don’t know what the long term impact of these changes would be but know doubt they will have unintended consequences. Would one of these be that the price of British players becomes even more disproportionate? And the number of British players sitting on the bench at top 5 clubs will become greater?

    The rules on Non-EU players have also been tightened so that those that do not meet the criteria for a Visa are less likely to have a successful appeal. Potentially this could lead to more families moving here with 15 year old boys that show signs of being a good footballer. What will the consequence be when they do not maintain their development?

    Not that I am against a changes, nor doing something about the implied problem. I do not know how successful these changes will actually be as only being restrictive does not often work. A proactive approach to encouraging coaching has not had chance to bare fruit and has been poorly implemented by the dinosaurs at the FA.

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  • hibbit

    Mar 24, 2015 at 3:57 PM

    Comment #8

    rotonda i realise i am taking my head in hand answering you back you being king of the keyboard warriors but here go’s i gave up my 3 seats at the end of last season my 2 lads think i am a bad dad that was my choice no one mademe do it…. i have a lot of friends who still go to the game’s that’s there choice no one can tell them what to do and the last thing any one should do is call them names so babyish hopefully they will see the error of there ways ……on pardew let him go you will sleep better

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  • AmeriToon

    Mar 24, 2015 at 4:04 PM

    Comment #9

    Sorry but this is a bad idea for the league. England does not have enough quality talent for these new rules. I’m afraid the rules may cause the EPL to drop in overall player quality and cause it to lose its status as the number one league to watch. There will end up being more English players in squads when they don’t deserve to be anywhere near the first team.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Mar 24, 2015 at 4:16 PM

    Comment #10

    Talking of developing younger talent….

    Newcastle U21s have not won in their last 7 matches, going back to before Christmas. BrightonU21 and DerbyU21 only came into the league this season and Derby are a place above us in the second automatic promotion place and we lost 3-0 away on the south coast in the last match.

    In what sense is the Academy producing talent?

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  • hibbit

    Mar 24, 2015 at 4:27 PM

    Comment #11

    people on here go on about the coaches at the club and have a lot to say about carver stone and woodmen but not many comment on beardsley who has the u21 great player but a very poor coach all the coaching staff need to go for there to be any improvement at the club it’s no good just covering the cracks

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Mar 24, 2015 at 4:37 PM

    Comment #12

    Lindisfarne…all good questions you are raising there!

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  • Lindisfarne

    Mar 24, 2015 at 4:37 PM

    Comment #13

    hibbit – or just make JC / SS / Woody the U21 coaches?

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  • Lindisfarne

    Mar 24, 2015 at 4:41 PM

    Comment #14

    14 Premier League Clubs need to agree to vote in any new rule changes.

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  • Toon Tang

    Mar 24, 2015 at 4:55 PM

    Comment #15

    AmeriToon, that is the whole point of the rule.

    England compared to other countries is so far behind when it come to bringing youngsters through the ranks. The league’s are absolutely laden with cheap foreign imports. Its one of the reasons why fans and clubs are drifting even further apart. Early 90’s Toon had a wealth of lads from the area and it felt you were actually part of something. I’d say the main problem with this ruling is, the homegrown players that you have in the team have to be very good players.

    I’m all for it but doubt it will ever be fully implemented due to the massive hold that telly money has over the leagues. Sky will one day eat itself…

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  • Toon Tang

    Mar 24, 2015 at 4:58 PM

    Comment #16

    We played a game earlier in the season if I remember rightly and we had 7 players all from the Northeast on the pitch at the same time. The only problem is, they’re not of ‘top 4’ premier league standard.

    Homegrown players in the team would be nice but only shearer and Beardsley standard please haaaa

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  • nut meg

    Mar 24, 2015 at 4:59 PM

    Comment #17

    Hibbit
    Beardsley has had a number of posts at the club & I ask myself why? Jobs for the boys again.We have got to get rid of this culture,if you want to progress you have to have the quality coaching in place.Would Ashley have had the best quality squash coach he could find in order to give himself the best possible chance to make the grade as a pro squash player if he was a wealthy guy at the time? The club has players worth millions of pounds yet he places them in the hands of inferior coaches at the top level.Top coaches at the U21 level get paid peanuts compared to a average footballer & yet the man appoints a poor coach who job it is is to produce players ready for the first team to save the club from buying expensive players saving them millions.Ashley /Charnley need to give their heads a shake.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:10 PM

    Comment #18

    Toon Tang…the new rules listed does not address the problems at hands in your country…the coaching of young players and how you integrate them.

    …a new set of rules should not be needed in order to address that 😉

    It might adress ‘the cheap import’ you say and replace it with overpriced British kids who are not good enough.

    The bigger problem for me is will this increase the trafficking (with the lack of a better word) of 15 year old foreign kids because of the suggested homegrown rule?

    Do we really want a system where kids are a commodity?

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  • BandB

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:16 PM

    Comment #19

    Lindy,

    Sorry, I missed your earlier post in response to one of mine.

    I agree. I think if that was rendered as a schematic, point three would lead by arrow back to point one.

    However, I don’t think we will sign no-one in the summer.

    I think this is the middle window in a process that started last summer and will be completed in summer 2016 (now, where have I heard that date before?)

    And I think it will be just like last summer.

    I think we will sign six. We will possibly announce these early in the window, creating a huge burst of optimism, as it did last summer.

    Four will be similar to those signed last year and include two to three good uns’, at similar cost. We may also see two signings similar to the Forest lads…signed and loaned back. Perhaps these two Charlton kids will be this year’s model?

    The club, the Chronicle, and Ed, will count the Forest lads as new signings, bringing the “headline” total to eight.

    This will temporarily more than negate the preceding Night of The Long Knives Carver already has hinted at, when almost everyone who is out of contract will be dispatched. Just like last summer.

    The idea that we have replaced eight “deadwood” players with eight exciting new talents (sic) will be very popular, and much told-you-so-ing on the blog will ensue, as it did last summer.

    Then, as the window nears its close, a new round of outgoings will start, as the club seeks to make the window at least pay for itself. This will hurt. Really hurt, and cause great bewilderment to fans who just “never saw it coming.” Just like last summer.

    I predict two things. One is that the squad will be numerically weaker at the beginning of the new season this will quickly become clear. Just like last summer.

    The other is that Boy Done Good will vanish, and be quickly replaced with a new poster making the same arguments all over again. Just like last summer.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:18 PM

    Comment #20

    Well Mikey can move them straight from the sweatshop into the academy now,they’ll have been on zero hour contracts for awhile so should be able to tie them down before their pesky agents start putting ideas into their heads.

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  • JamesToon

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:19 PM

    Comment #21

    For me things like this just spout out the fact that we do really need a top coach, even more. It is clear that Mike Ashley wants us to be like an Ajax. It’s all very well bringing through supposed “promising youngsters” or buying cheap young foreign imports, if you don’t have the right coaching staff to develop them. Out of all of our transfers into the club, only half, if that have actually made big money moves. Ashley is shooting himself in the foot if he’s going make another kinnear/wise esc appointment, if he’s going to bring in some cheap foreign imports, as he won’t be getting any value for money.

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  • hibbit

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:24 PM

    Comment #22

    nut meg the whole set up from 8yr old to under 21 is done on a shoe string not enough quality coaches at any level very little one to one coaching and no specialist coaching apart from the gk then they wonder why the kids are not coming through

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  • optimistic prime

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:26 PM

    Comment #23

    BandB

    That’s sums up what I’m expecting to happen and I don’t think we can survive in EPL another season if it’s the case.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:34 PM

    Comment #24

    People got excited last summer at the incomings but got blindsided to the fact that ten players who had played regular first team football were let go, the squad will always be deliberately weaker on the premise that it can be strengthened in January if need be. It can then be suitably weakened again in the summer with the excuse we done all our business on January.

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:36 PM

    Comment #25

    People are so quick to have a go at Ashley for his none footballing background , but at least he was , and is , involved in Sport in general.
    Read this:-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Dyke

    then tell me how this berk is allowed anywhere near the inner sanctums of the FA.

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  • BoyDoneGood

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:37 PM

    Comment #26

    I think encouragement to home-grown players is good in principle, but I think the European Union may have an opinion. The big money is in the PL, and we have free movement for EU citizens.

    B&B

    “BoyDoneGood will disappear…” Possibly. It’s an age thing.

    (From an earlier discussion):

    You say all club statements are “brutally honest”. And I thought it was you who previously wrote:

    “You believe in Ashley, you said… because he was a businessman… The defining characteristic of many business people I have met has been their higher than average willingness to tell half-truths to advantage themselves at one’s disadvantage.”

    The new defining characteristic of brutal honesty is a bit of a surprise.

    You also asked me if 14th sounds insulting. Why do you ask? What has it got to do wiyh me?

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:39 PM

    Comment #27

    The EPL is its own product and has no responsibility or obligation to London United – oops sorry – the England football team

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  • BoyDoneGood

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    Comment #28

    BTW, B&B, your “just like last summer” parting shot seems to imply – I find it hard to imagine what else it could mean – that I have changed my username in the past and am expected to do so again. Since I have already strenuously denied this, your assertion is at the least bloody rude.

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  • BandB

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:50 PM

    Comment #29

    BDG,

    You have downgraded your “damn your eyes” predictions of eighth to tenth to one of 13th.

    You have finally accepted that clever Mike hasn’t persuaded Carver to give up his substantive contract allowing him to be sacked on the cheap.

    I’m not sure what to say, really, except that you win and I bow to your judgement.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:52 PM

    Comment #30

    BandB

    No worries, it didn’t stop me spouting. I can not remember, was last seasons Chief Apologist ToonDarnSarf?

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  • BandB

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:57 PM

    Comment #31

    Lindy,

    I had quite a bit of time for TDS.

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  • hibbit

    Mar 24, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #32

    lindi …. sports direct ian was another

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  • Lindisfarne

    Mar 24, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    Comment #33

    I was going to say, before I deleted for being long winded and dross, that statements that can be attributed to people at the club are usually fairly accurate. But they also validate the opinion that truth is only temporary.

    APs attempts to influence the ‘Board’ through political use of the press back fired on him, as it turned the already sceptical support against him. JC seems to also be falling into the trap of passing on information that is fed to him, with little resolve from the club. I only hope that his usefulness in this department will be diminished sooner rather than later.

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  • lesh

    Mar 24, 2015 at 6:06 PM

    Comment #34

    Rotunda

    Ashley? No personal involvement like the way he wasn’t involved with Rangers?

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  • Lindisfarne

    Mar 24, 2015 at 6:07 PM

    Comment #35

    So did I but TDS was the only one I could think of, who were you referring to?

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  • Ron Knee

    Mar 24, 2015 at 6:09 PM

    Comment #36

    TDS alias Noodlebug, I believe.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Mar 24, 2015 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #37

    hibbit – Ian Toon is still knocking about and I think Senior T is on his case.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Mar 24, 2015 at 6:11 PM

    Comment #38

    Ron – was Noodlebug who also commented on the Chronic pages?

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  • hibbit

    Mar 24, 2015 at 6:12 PM

    Comment #39

    somebody needs to be

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Mar 24, 2015 at 6:13 PM

    Comment #40

    The fact that Mashers isn’t from a footballing background is so far down the list of our gripes with him it’s largely irrelevant

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