Newcastle Saved Money – It’s The Art Of The Deal


It’s difficult to think of Mike Ashley as a football man – and that’s because he isn’t one – Mike Ashley is a business man through and through – and that’s all he is.

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Mike Ashley – Newcastle owner

So when Mike gets a player in like Mathieu Debuchy and pays around £5M from him after almost a year of wrangling with his club Lille over the fee – Ahsley finally go a good deal.

And then when Newcastle get  an offer of £12M from Arsenal just 19 months later for Debuchy – of course he takes it .

Another bit of good business for Ashley, because that’s £7M profit on the player and that’s around £350K for each of the 19 months Mathieu played for Newcastle – a fantastic deal.

And we’ll see in the summer if a big club comes in for 21 year-old Ayoze Perez and offers around £10M for the 21 year-old, he will be gone too.

And if that happens that will be a gain of around £8.5M, and that’s a gain of about £700K for each of the 12 months Perez was on Tyneside – even better.

So when Rangers take five fringe/young players from Newcastle in late January, and have only Haris Vuckic playing regularly for them since that time – that’s a Rangers problem – and from their viewpoint – not a good deal.

But Newcastle are saving on the wages of the five players, and the fact that three of the players couldn’t play when the loan started and haven’t played since, is another Rangers’ problem.

And we found out in the last few days that the five were signed on loan without even having medicals at Rangers, so if three of them were crocked when they signed for Rangers on loan – it’s difficult to blame Newcastle for that.

We’re afraid to say that it appears from his actions, that the only way Mike Ashley sees football is the way he sees everything else in life – everything’s business – everything’s a deal.

And Mike likes to make good deals and that’s one reason he’s made himself into a multi-Billionaire over these last 30 years or so.

Whether or not these deals leave Newcastle short of players like we are at the moment because of the January sales – or like we were last year when he sold our best player Yohan Cabaye for £20M half way through the season and didn’t replace him – doesn’t matter to Ashley.

All that counts is the deal.

And that’s also why Mike Ashley will never be successful in football, because football is not like a big business and not like buying and selling shares in the stock market – players actually matter in the game and more than just selling them for big profits.

You actually need good players to make good teams – so you cannot just keep selling them to make big profits.

Otherwise you end up with a mediocre team that cannot make the top ten in the Premier League but two times in eight attempts.

That’s Mike Ashley’s very poor record at Newcastle.

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52 comments so far

  • Sleepin Giant

    Mar 24, 2015 at 9:36 PM

    Comment #1

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32015909

    It’s no coinccidence that even Shearer couldn’t make his name at the Toon.
    It is a good thing that English players get a bigger chance of building a career – but its also true most clubs have this barrier when it comes to getting first team experience. Neville is right.

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  • Sazzer

    Mar 24, 2015 at 9:41 PM

    Comment #2

    Lindisfarne
    Great article.

    Interesting to see all leagues except Netherlands and England have high number of Brazilians in their leagues.

    And neither have any teams left in CL and EL.

    And the team with highest number of Brazilians in Premier League are in top of the league.

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  • lesh

    Mar 24, 2015 at 9:52 PM

    Comment #3

    An interesting read – a statement from friend Llambias.

    It’s noticeable that apart from the finances, nowt much’s changed over the years – we’re still aiming for at least 10th. Marvellous!!

    At least though, Llambias did issue a ‘state of the nation’ summary and if, if friend Charnley decides he’d like to have a go at one, the template’s ready made for him to edit.

    http://www.nufcblog.com/2011/10/16/newcastle-united-release-mission-statement/

    I’ll be watching with interest though not holding my breath.

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  • welshgeordie9

    Mar 24, 2015 at 9:58 PM

    Comment #4

    What did the cowboy say in a car showroom.

    Audi.

    Ha ha ha

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  • lochinvar

    Mar 24, 2015 at 10:09 PM

    Comment #5

    So Skirtel the Stamp is pleading innocence on his FA charge from the Man Utd match which like Gerrard the Stamp would see him banned from the toon match. We live in hope that the FA like they did with Evans the Spit uphold the charge – maybe even increase the ban to 4 matches for his audacity to appeal the charge. Might even up our game albeit very slightly.

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  • Our Toon

    Mar 24, 2015 at 10:17 PM

    Comment #6

    Neville is chatting shite, sorry but wasn’t this an issue before the conception of the premier league for the national team?

    My main issues with bollocks like this is that once in a while you’ll get a Kane who will set the league alight and great but now you get plonkers who keep making using him ad an example to prove a bull shite point. If you are good enough you will cease your opportunity, it’s simple really.

    The big issues we have is with the over inflated prices of British players, as I pointed out earlier Carzola cost 10m and Lallana 15m. Suarez 15m cost less than Carroll Henderson, Downing etc.

    If you look at all other leagues they will have reams that all play “football” technical football and ball retention, we unfortunately have the likes of Pulis, fat sham and Pardew who prefer kick rush, lumping it 70 yards and no technical ability is required. If you want British football to produce start teaching technical skill rather than lumping it.

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Mar 24, 2015 at 10:29 PM

    Comment #7

    Suarez was £24million
    Lallana is 6 years younger than Cazorla who is nearly 31

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  • Sazzer

    Mar 24, 2015 at 10:34 PM

    Comment #8

    Porto numbers since 2007 when Ashley took over us:
    In: 243 m £
    Out: 467 m £

    224 m £ profit from player sales.

    That’s a lot of money Ashley missing out on by not running this club in a proper way.

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  • Sazzer

    Mar 24, 2015 at 10:37 PM

    Comment #9

    Proper way -if you want to make the most money from making transfer deals.

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  • Sazzer

    Mar 24, 2015 at 10:47 PM

    Comment #10

    lochinvar
    Skrtl might argue that Diego Costa got away with doing the same thing on him without punishment.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4t6mHYpr7g

    FA only banned Costa 3 games for his stamp on Can.

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Mar 24, 2015 at 10:59 PM

    Comment #11

    Porto is a tough example to follow
    In 1952 they moved from a 20,000 seater stadium the Campo da Constituição, and instead of knocking it down had the brilliant idea of starting an academy there.
    For half a century the have been the beacon for all Portugese speaking footballers who fancied playing in Europe, Brazil , Angola , Mozambique (remember Eusebio probably the 1st African footballer I ever saw) Porto a re what they all aspire to.

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:01 PM

    Comment #12
  • Our Toon

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:04 PM

    Comment #13

    Jeff

    25 for suarez you are right and I stand corrected. However Carzola is 30 and signed in 2012 when 28….4 years younger than Lallana was and Carzola signed on the back of being spanish player of the season. Lallana was signed on the back of?

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  • BoyDoneGood

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:12 PM

    Comment #14

    Trying to follow this. Adam Lallana is 26, right?

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:20 PM

    Comment #15

    Our Toon
    I think an extra factor regarding Lallana was Liverpool (as is their wont) paid over the odds and were stung by Soton cos they knew they had the £75million Suarez money.

    Thinking of that Porto thing ( I mentioned it fleetingly at the time) could the Portugese club’s success be behind Ashleys thinking on Rangers. Not so much CL for advertising SD as for providing a shop window for academy talent.

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  • lesh

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:24 PM

    Comment #16

    Welsh

    Following your cowboy ‘joke’:

    Roy Rogers was riding Trigger up Percy Street.

    He gets to Barras Bridge and the polis on point-duty holds his hand up.

    ‘Stop! Where you think your going?’ he asks bold Roy.

    His reply? ‘Westerhope!’

    Welshy, you wouldn’t be expected to understand it.

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:25 PM

    Comment #17

    Yup he’s 26
    Cazorla is 3 years7 months older

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:26 PM

    Comment #18

    Or is it 4 years ?

    Aaam gan to me scratcher it’s late

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  • BoyDoneGood

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:26 PM

    Comment #19

    Myfootballfacts.com rated several hundred PL players in the 2013-4 season for combined goals and assists. Lallana was 17th, Cazorla 41st. Not sure if that’s relevant.

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  • lesh

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:32 PM

    Comment #20

    Eeeh Jeff

    That copy and paste thing’s clevor.

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  • Our Toon

    Mar 25, 2015 at 12:21 AM

    Comment #22

    Boy Done Good

    Don’t think Carzola started many games due to Ozil arriving. Things have changed this season though haven’t they. What are the stats for Carzola and Lallana this season.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Mar 25, 2015 at 12:26 AM

    Comment #23

    If MA was not so keen on only ‘doing deals’ for players that involved money, the opportunity to loan some of the U21 players to French clubs might have occurred and generated a better feeling of good will. But hey we have a hefty profit and a team of players we can’t use.

    Why buy a controlling interest in Rangers and not a French or Italian team? Apart from the obvious link with the blood sucker Charles Green.

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  • Sazzer

    Mar 25, 2015 at 1:24 AM

    Comment #24

    Here’s a list for our friends for people on the other side of the globe:

    Tadic – 12,32 m £ 28 games – 4 goals – 8 assists
    Lallana – 27,28 m £ 21 games – 3 goals – 3 assists
    Silva – 25,30 m £ 24 games – 11 goals – 5 assists
    Cazorla – 16,72 m £ 29 games – 7 goals – 9 assists
    Fabregas 29,04 m £ 26 games – 2 goals – 16 assists
    Di Maria 66,00 m £ 21 games – 3 goals – 10 assists
    Oscar 22,00 m £ 24 games – 6 goals – 7 assists
    Gylfi 8,89 m £ 25 games – 5 goals – 8 assists
    Puncheon 1,94 m £ 29 games – 3 goals – 7 assists
    Downing 5,10 m £ 29 games – 5 goals – 8 assists (Liverpool fee 20,06 m £.)
    Colback free 27 games – 3 goals – 5 assists

    Lallana had 9 goals and 8 assists last season. Gouffran had 6 goals and 5 assists last season.

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  • toonincheek

    Mar 25, 2015 at 1:39 AM

    Comment #25

    It’s a bit one-sided to just say MA sells players when
    a high enough offer comes in.
    Cabaye WANTED to leave – AND we got an acceptable
    offer.
    Debuchy WANTED to leave – AND we got an acceptable
    offer.
    Carroll didn’t really wanted to leave but the offer was
    so high it was impossible to turn down. The £35 million
    was worth way more to the club than the player.
    Tiote DID NOT want to leave a couple of seasons
    ago when Arsenal were interested.

    We are indeed a stepping stone for up and coming
    players wanting to prove themselves.

    It is a good message to them that if they join us, and
    do indeed prove themselves, they will be allowed
    to leave, rather than force them to honour a 3/4/5
    year contract?

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  • leonado_keng

    Mar 25, 2015 at 2:59 AM

    Comment #26

    Got boring a lot for a money man and he destroys the hope of Newcastle united, but actually we can do the club because we buy the goods and tickets of the club and we should push a lot pressure for him.In long time, Newcastle will remain the name and down to the end of middle table surely

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Mar 25, 2015 at 5:37 AM

    Comment #27

    toonincheek…but why do they all want to leave? 😉

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Mar 25, 2015 at 6:27 AM

    Comment #28

    Toonincheek,
    You are defending a man whose transfer policy has produced teams that have consistently had one of the worst goals for and against records in the division, a brand of football that has reduced a stadium famous for it’s atmosphere in to a library for 90% of the season. We have had two managers quit, our players regularly talk about moves elsewhere, what is there about the man and his methods left to defend. You will say he’s building for success, how on earth can an FA cup run derail your long terms plans for a bright future.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Mar 25, 2015 at 6:30 AM

    Comment #29

    Going back to the previous article re Dyke’s reforms, the bloke just won’t learn will he. I’ve written about the problems of developing talent several times for blogs, magazines and websites over the last 3/4 years exploring potential reasons and solutions to the issue, and attempting to pinpoint the problem.

    Sadly the people at the FA want to be remembered, they want to achieve something during their tenure. They are so bloody minded in their pursuit of personal glory during their tenures that they can’t look any further than the Premier league and current Under 21/19 national sides. It is this vanity that will lead to no solution being found.

    If someone really wanted to improve things then it starts at grassroots with both coaches and players. Improve the standard of coaching at the lowest level, and increase the number of coaches. A stat from 2 years ago now was that for each qualified coach in England, there were 812 kids. Imagine if that was a similar ration for classrooms? The UK would be way behind in education terms. Compare that with Spain, 1:17.

    Let kids enjoy there football. Get rid of the pressure from it at such young ages, be that parental pressure, or club pressure and financial pressure. All of it takes away enjoyment, and particularly for young kids with parental pressure, makes them play within themselves so as not to make an error.

    There is so much wrong with the game in the UK, to solve it there would have to be a complete rethink at junior/grassroots level, infrastructure, coaching, facilities. Chances are anyone willing to attempt to implement this will be long out of office before seeing the fruits of their labour. It is probably closer to a 15/20 year solution than there being a fix in the short to medium term, as Dyke wants.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Mar 25, 2015 at 6:35 AM

    Comment #30

    I’ve got no real issue with the reforms per se, but they aren’t a solution and will in all likelihood make things worse. Until they go to the root cause of the lack of English players then the national team will struggle. I can’t see the Prem agreeing to Dyke’s proposal, it will just lead to more average players playing, and higher prices for those that are slightly above average.

    At the minute, English players have to really push themselves to get game time. Surely that is better than average players been given game time just to fill a quota. Where is the incentive and desire to improve there?

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Mar 25, 2015 at 6:38 AM

    Comment #31

    Right, enough on that. Boils my p1ss though when these FA suits come out with these ridiculously short sighted proposals, and use people like Danny ‘No Skills’ Mills as part of the evaluation and decision making committee.

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  • Ron Knee

    Mar 25, 2015 at 6:46 AM

    Comment #32

    Lindisfarne
    Re Noodlebug from previous thread
    Yes, I believe they are one and the same!

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  • lochinvar

    Mar 25, 2015 at 6:53 AM

    Comment #33

    Sazzer@10
    See what you mean about Costa , I’d forgotten that one.

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  • firebug666

    Mar 25, 2015 at 6:54 AM

    Comment #34

    Morning World,

    Still no accounts published yet then! I think you can get more information out of the MI6 building than out of St James Park these days.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Mar 25, 2015 at 7:18 AM

    Comment #35

    German Youth Football Development : Streich smiles when asked what he thinks of some of the top English clubs, which spend millions on youth programmes despite there being no obvious pathways to the first team. “You can’t compare someone like Manchester City with SC Freiburg, it’s saturn and the moon,” he says. “We played against Manchester City’s youth team here, in the Black Forest, some years ago and also a few years later. They had one player from Sweden, one player from Finland, one player from Brazil, one player from here, one player from there. ‘What do you do next year?’ ‘Yeah, we buy eight or nine players.’ ‘What about scouting?’ ‘We have 20 people scouting at youth [level].’ We only have four for the professionals.”

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  • optimistic prime

    Mar 25, 2015 at 7:35 AM

    Comment #37

    Lg

    I agree with all your points regarding England’s youth players.

    It also doesn’t help that England has the most clubs in Europe. We have far to many kids spread round to many clubs with to few coaches.

    Problem is all these clubs want their cut for producing the talent which could fund a couple of seasons for some smaller clubs.

    The main problem is money kids/parents chasing money and clubs desperate for cash flow, the Fa needs to find a way to get the young players to the right coaches and to keep ones already there or playing even at a lower level at their parent club longer. Sitting on someone’s bench with a cpl sub appearances is no good for anyone.

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  • Ian Toon

    Mar 25, 2015 at 7:35 AM

    Comment #38

    Lilongwe- Food for thought posts. Can I add my contribution to what is an interesting topic.
    Greg Dyke is just another gravy train chairman at the FA. The same Greg Dyke who was a director at ManU when Ferguson was withdrawing his players from the England squad on a regular basis as recently confirmed by a number of the former players. Dyke is just another egotistical, hot air headline seeking, shallow thinking individual who has constantly surrounded himself with third rate individuals. He will doubtless leave the job in exactly the same state that he had found it.

    The empirical evidence pre and post BBC and the ludicrous Premier League ‘B’ team idea which was just a typical knee jerk response to a problem, Like the shallow thinker he is he simply fails to think things through. He has failed to look at the past 150 years of unrivalled football history which placed us in the forefront of club football.

    Simply looking to be seen to be doing something as if that’s all that matters. Rather than another of my favourite exposure of officials in high places – if you don’t make a decision you don’t make a mistake.
    Dyke has not highlighted the glaringly obvious the culture of the so called big clubs which have two players for every position. This in itself is not the problem if players are good enough to play first team football and get a game elsewhere. But there are whole divisions of benchwarmers throughout the leagues who simply don’t play enough football to develop their talents overtime. This is not simply in the PL and at the top clubs. I remember reading about Liverpool winning countless trophys with a squad of fourteen players. Less bench warming and more learning their trade whether it be at the home club or a lower league. Practice makes perfect and particularly an earlier age
    There are always more questions than answers but a reduction in squad sizes and a playing of the prospective reserve players would soon see more of them playing regularly. This would also improve competition and make it a more of a level playing field throughout.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Mar 25, 2015 at 7:43 AM

    Comment #40

    The British athletics association started a grass roots campaign that has us as a top nation now, it is a joke that the richest league by far has one of the worst top teams and does not have a single manager capable of managing a team ranked in the top 68 UEFA teams, John Carver manages the 68 ranked team.

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