This Could Be The Ridiculous Situation At Newcastle In Summer


There was news in January that one sticky point with Newcastle appointing Remi Garde as the new head coach,  was that he wanted to bring in his own coaching staff,  and it seems Newcastle want to keep the current coaching staff in place at Newcastle.

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Remi Garde – wants to bring in his own staff

And if that happens there will not be too much that will change on the training field, although a new coach other than John Carver himself or Steve McClaren, could still make a difference.

Former left back Olivier Bernard thinks that Remi Garde may not want to come to Newcastle with John Carver and company still around.

This is what Bernard said in the Chronicle today:

“The fact he always travels with one physio and one assistant means he might be put off.”  “In France it has been quiet too. You were expecting them to get it sorted by now, but it’s not the case.”

“He will need a lot of backing from the squad and money to spend.” “We have young talent but in the professional game, the experience is very important. That gives you points.”

“Look at games in the past that were 0-0 and very tight – but we had Alan Shearer, who would pop up and win you the game.”  “Now you don’t see that.”

We could understand why Newcastle may want to keep Carver and company if we were coming off two successful seasons, but the opposite is true, and this year Carver has not shown himself to be up to the standard needed to be a head coach or a manager.

But it seems the club want to keep things fairly unchanged with the personnel on the training field, and go about their merry way, which has brought little success to Newcastle over the last eight years only one good season when we finished in 5th place.

And remember the great Sir Bobby Robson was sacked for only finishing in 5th place in 2004, because that wasn’t good enough at that time.

The only success we have had lately is to make money, and the club have fallen a long way over the last eleven years to mid-table mediocrity – which seems to be success for the owner.

And only yesterday another former left back at Newcastle – Robbie Elliott – thought that a clean break is needed at Newcastle in the summer.

But it seems Newcastle have already assured Carver he will be staying on at Newcastle, whoever the new coach is – and that’s certainly putting the cart before the horse.

But Newcastle have not shown over the last several seasons that they can manage things well at the football club – and never seem to think these things through fully and what the consequences may be.

It would be ridiculous to keep John Carver at the club at the expense of getting a top coach in, but knowing Newcastle, that wouldn’t surprise us too much – even though that would be a ridiculous situation to be in.

The people running the club never seem to think things through, either clearly or logically, and what the consequences could be.

What do you think?

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80 comments so far

  • jayphoto

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #1

    Remi Garde isn’t coming in! If he was the club would have announced a precontract by now as it would take the heat off of the board, Carver and probably have a huge influence on season tickets.
    Remi isn’t attached and 100% spoke to newcastle (who pay any candidate a fee for discretion) If a deal could be done with Garde it would have been already

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #2

    I spent some time going around a few football forums and the similarities in the comments sections is striking . Clearly there is a lot of disillusionment out there for many reasons and usually the recipients of this angst are the ownership/coaching staff.
    Have a look at this for an alternative

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/football-revolution-as-disillusioned-fans-head-for-the-nonleague-9810932.html

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  • jayphoto

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #3

    Reading up on Ngolo Kante, seems his height my be nearer to 5’5 rather than the optimistic 5’7…
    By all french reports he sounds like a carbon copy of Tiote if anything.A Tough tackling, combative tank. Never seen him play so going off scouting reports french sites have posted. He’s definately no Sissoko replacement though, seems like he plays quite deep.
    Wouldn’t suprise me if De Jong was sissokos replacement. We have DeJong, Riviere, Perez, Cabella and Abeid (not counting vuckic, assuming hes done) who all prefer that #10 role. If Sissoko goes i can’t see them bringing another in. More likely to bring in an out an out central midfielder in the cabaye mould id bet

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #4

    Nothing has been settled
    It was said Carver would have until seasons end to prove himself
    There are still 8 games to go, simples.
    If he got 15 points out of the next 24 it would be harsh to bin him.

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  • martoon

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #5

    Tuff from previous topic. I agree this summer will define us – although we say it every summer this one is very important because we have no manager/HC and a weakened squad with some players out of contract. They have to show intent by starting early by appointing the new head coach and then addressing the problems of a striker and a defender (or 2).

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  • sevenho

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #6

    The only logical way that MA instruct to the club is not to lose unnecessary $$$ in any way. No way the club is going to pay $$$ in compensation, not when MA is in charge

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  • lesh

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #7

    Why does Ashley want to keep Carver et al?

    Loyalty to them? Bollocks!

    Keeping them’ll give him a fall-back were Garde or whoever become pi$$ed of and walk away!!

    And from previous thread……

    Feast or famine?

    As Lent’s coming to an end, how about Ashley imposing his usual Fast Diet?

    (Lent, fast…… geddit! 🙂 )

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  • geordie157

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #8

    If Garde wants to bring two or three members of staff with him, then even better, we are crying out for better coaches, assistant managers etc.

    Garde or Tuchel would be perfect to take us forward, the latter being used to dealing with stricter budgets but getting players playing to their maximums.

    Stefan Bell and Johannes Geis would be two nice additions for Tuchel to get if we can get him.

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #9

    The season we finished fifth and fatty bought no one, that was when he showed his true intent.

    I don’t blame people for still having hope but it’s only going to end in tears, IMO the bus has already left and you’re at the wrong stop anyway.

    If you’re waiting for change you’re better off waiting for God as he’ll turn up first.

    Don’t worry though if nothing changes there’s always next year!!!!!!!!

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  • geordie157

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #10

    On Sunday

    I’m going for a 2-2 draw with Colback and Cattermole getting sent off.

    Cabella and Perez to score with Fletcher and Johnson for them.

    Krul
    Raylor, Janmaat, Williamson, Jonas
    Sissoko, Abeid, Colback
    Cabella, Perez, Riviere

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  • jayphoto

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #11

    Einstein said Madness id doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. KInd of like what we do every summer with the toon…
    Personally think we need 4 players. 5 if Sissoko leaves. So 5. 6 if Tiote leaves. The addition of Lascelles means we only need 1 centreback.
    I would love a window of:
    Veltman, Van Dijk or Rekik. ( 1 of those 3 not all)
    Granit Xhaka! (dream signing)
    Kante (If tiote goes)
    Andre Ayew.
    Luciano Narsingh.
    Charlie Austin/Danny Ings.

    No one on there worth more than 8-10m and all except Xhaka readily available in the summer. Austin maybe only if QPR go down. Would give us an awesome starting line up of (assuming sissoko sale bankroles this)
    Krul
    Janmaat Veltman Lascelles Haidara
    Colback Xhaka
    Narsingh Ayew
    Cabella/De Jong
    Austin

    reserves of Darlow, Anita, Abeid, Colo, Dummett, Ameobi, Riviere, Kante, Armstrong, Cisse, Ryan Taylor, Steve Taylor and Gouffran.
    Homegrown quote filled. Decent 25 squad.

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #12

    SBR was sacked 4 games into the season by the fat coward that was Freddy Shepherd
    2-2 away to Boro
    0-1 home to Spurs
    2-2 home to Norwich
    2-4 away to Villa .
    Bobby was supposed to have lost the dressing room and only 5,000 fans stayed to see the traditional lap of honour made by the players at St James’ Park at the end of the previous season which had seen us finish 5th – 9 points off a CL place and getting knocked out of the UEFA cup in the semis by Marseilles.
    Ashley gets slagged off for showing loyalty to his managers but I prefer that to Shepherds weakness.

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  • firebug666

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #13

    prime

    Spot on, His intentions have been shown loud and clear over the past eight years.

    I keep saying it; A leopard never changes it’s spots.

    What will be done this summer is only what will be necessary, If they feel we need a new head coach then the cheapest option available will be brought in, out of contract players will leave, best players with any value will be sold, and a bare minimum of players will be brought in to give us the chance of a mid-table finish.

    Nothing ever changes, it hasn’t in the past and I don’t expect it to in the future.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #14

    Carver, stone, watson and woodman are league 1 standard at best. It seems even after AP’s departure the air of mediocrity lingers on in the guys he recruited. Interestingly none of them followed him, which was a shame.

    these 8 year contracts are an awful burden on the club along with the likes of Wonga etc.

    I don’t hate mclaren at all but his history is very, very chequered and again all wong if he gets the gig just because he can work with the not so fab 4, where arguably better people quite rightly want their own people. Only at nufc!

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  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #15

    firebug

    given all those factors it still won’t stop 52000

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  • jayphoto

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #16

    Actually think signing Austin or Ings is quite a possibility as we’re one of the only clubs that would guarantee them starting line up in the top half.
    Also think Ashley will be reminiscent of the Carroll deal. 35m for a slightly above average striker because he’s english.
    Any idiot knows that if Austin or Ings improve on this season next season their value will Rocket. Not sure why but NUFC has an effect where if a player plays well here his value and interest will go much higher than say if he had a great season at palace/stoke.
    Saw somewhere that Spurs Harry Kane is rated around the 40m mark… he didn’t even play until November.
    If Ings or Austin show that this season wasn’t flash in the pan they’ll be a worthwhile commercial commodity.Personally I think Austin would bang in goals anywhere. Ings seems to get into positions to have a lot of chances but misses a fair few. Austin is bloody clinical though and doesn’t get many clear chances at QPR. Guys just an out an out goal scorer.

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  • jayphoto

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #17

    @Rotonda – think Carver and Woodman got the offer to go to Palace but wanted to stay. No doubt both will head down the M1 if we get rid in the summer. Interestingly Pardew didn;t employ either an assistant or gk coach yet keeping what Palace had.
    Job’s carvers, but i still can’t get my head around how. Newcastle is a multi multi million business. Ashleys a billionaire and a ruthless business genius who would screw his own parents for a buck. What man would put a business of such value in the hands of John Carver? Whether he is compliant or not it seems too much of a mistake for Ashley to do. I got the Kinnear thing. Was an awful choice but the guy had huge experience and did well in the premier league with wimbledon. I go the Pardew thing. Kept keeping us up, didn’t ruffle feathers etc
    But Carver? No experience. Loose Cannon. Melt down waiting to happen. Already fluffing his audition to ridiculous levels. We’re only staying up on Pardews half season. Worse, we’re only staying up based on about 6 weeks of results when we had a good run.
    Just can’t fathom a man that has reached the pinnacle of the business world putting John Carver in charge of an asset with such value

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  • firebug666

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #18

    jayphoto

    The problem with the 52000 is that when fans leave in protest and give up their seats, Ashley expands the family section and fills those seats with mum’s and dad’s taking their kids out.

    It’s a no win situation for the fans, I would think it better to keep the stadium full of the fans that would voice their discontent every fortnight, and get it televised.

    With the changes that have taken place at SJP, (fans leaving and being replaced) the atmosphere is no longer there, at times I have heard noisier graveyards.

    Just another Ashley triumph.

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  • firebug666

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #19

    Sorry Jay, that was meant for Rotonda

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  • WestOzMag

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #20

    F**k carver, he’s been in the hot seat before and failed. Proving yet again he’s no good for it. If this club wants to improve then get rid of half the squad, carver stone and the med team, ashley sells up then things may improve. Until then were f****d and that’s the way it is.We can bitch moan say what we think have our opinions but at the end of the day were watching the same team day in day out and theres nothing not one of you or myself can do f all about

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  • jayphoto

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #21

    @firebug – no worries! Massively agree with what you say though I’m sure Ashley would just dispand the groups singing into family sections regardless. The atmospshere at st james’ is a ghost of what it used to be already

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 2, 2015 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #22

    Firebug

    We’re the only football team in the world that has one minutes noise and eighty nine minutes of silence.

    I agree on Ashley’s manipulation of the crowd, is it any surprise that he offers tickets to police fire brigade and civil servants cheaper than members can get tickets? The perfect customers, they know how to take orders and won’t rock the boat.

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  • geordie157

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #23

    We should be going all out to get 2 from Austin, Mitrovic and Ings.

    Nice to see someone mention Narsingh, he’d give us pace on the right and unlike Obertan he can score goals and his final ball is better.

    We could actually improve the squad with 5 free agents this summer.

    Garbutt of Everton is a left back with potential to be better than Baines and he hasn’t signed a new deal yet.

    Vlaar, unless Man U come knocking could be got and although not great he’s better than any of our existing centre backs.

    Ayew, will be difficult to attract but its time for the board to show some ambition.

    Ings, no brainer, has done well in a struggling side, works his socks off for the side too.

    and now my controversial one

    Tom Cleverley, a player who’s development has stalled, so this would be very much dependent on who comes in to manager us. Bit of an all round player who can play across the midfield, think he’d give us additional depth and if he can get back on form we’d have a good player on our hands.

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  • nut meg

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    Comment #24

    Jay
    Ashley /Carver…that’s the very reason why I think he will bring a new head coach in.He’s supposedly spending tens of millions on a new academy so it makes sense to get top coaches in.We already have 3 (?) elite coaches but we badly need to get the U21’s & the first team sorted by bringing in top people.If this idea from Gregg Dykes to increase the number of local grown players in the squad comes off, it’s even more necessary to bring young talent through into the first team. IMHO,Carver,Beardsley Stone will cost Ashley a ton of money instead of making him money because they are simply not good enough.

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  • solz tim krul

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #25

    carver out its high time for the fans to step up and let their voices be heard and also make sure that our top players are not sold we want to build up a team that wins cups and how can we do that when we keep selling our best players. I really miss Pardew now though I wanted him out of the door but having this Carver lady who just goes along with whatever the silly newcastle board says is the worst thing. The board fears if they bring a coach like Remi Garde who is not goin to keep quiet when they manipulate the club’s running for their own benefits they will be at loggerheads as he will expose the board.

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  • firebug666

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #26

    prime

    Again your spot on, this was on the cards from the moment Ashley disbanded the singing section, He moved people around the stadium to decrease the possibility of any unified protests against him.

    In truth he is a coward, he hates bad publicity of any sort, and is a spiteful, vindictive little ******* (fat man).

    He will do what he wants regardless of what anyone else thinks or does. Things are no longer black and white at our club, their is only one colour, the white has been removed.

    At one time you could hear the noise from SJP around the city, these day you would hardly know there is a match on.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #27

    Geordie157,
    Garbutt. Ayew and Ings would be good. But I’d say Ayew is out of our reach, Ings is likely to be out of our reach as well. Martinez still seems certain Garbutt will sign a new deal, but we could sort out a deal for him now. Would be a very good signing in my opinion.

    Not interested in Vlaar. He looked very good in the World Cup, but hasn’t been any better than ordinary for Villa. He needs the right system, and pace alongside him, so he would not fit in here in my opinion.

    Not at all interested in Cleverly. Okay midfielder, but not good at anything, or in any particular area.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #28

    Solz Tim Krul,
    Errr, Pardew went along with everything the board said, and the football was equally awful. The records from Jan on of the 2 are similar, and Carver still has 6 reasonably winnable games left out of 8.

    Worryingly, I think we have enough to get at least 10 more points, starting on Sunday. That should be enough for the board to give Carver the job, and any dreams of future progress that fans are currently clinging to will be shattered.

    I said at the start of the season the squad had enough to keep us up, regardless of who is in charge, even with the horrendous injuries we have had, and the players missing we will achieve it. That is with two poor managers in charge as well.

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #29

    This is a long article principally about Galtier manager of St. Etienne.
    In passing however some interesting comments are made.
    1. Galtier will probably leave SE
    2. Newcastle are in the frame

    3. and most intriguing of all , that Garde refused the Toon job because it was offered only on a temporary basis until the end of season when situations would be reviewed !!

    http://www.foot-sur7.fr/222519-mercato-asse-la-zone-de-turbulence-se-rapproche

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  • lesh

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:22 AM

    Comment #30

    If it is correct that Ashley’s keen to keep hold of Carver and his merry me, even in the event of retaining a fall-back should Garde or any other newly appointed HC walk out, it’s ludicrous.

    Carver’s proved he’s just not up to the job and his only saving grace is that he claims to have black and white blood coursing through his veins.

    It’d make a lot of sense and it would be good succession planning to have a capable person on the staff to provide managerial/ HC cover if and when required.

    But that only works if the designated successor’s able to do the job. Carver clearly isn’t!

    So, what should Ashley do? Recruit an HC who can bring his own backroom staff and thus new things to the party AND, recruit a potentially good coach who can develop with the newly appointed HC.

    However, that’s the way properly run companies work but as we’re owned by Ashley, conventional wisdom just goes out of the window!

    The sooner Ashley slings his hook and takes his trusted underling Charnely (aka Baldrick} with him, the better.

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  • Slank

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:23 AM

    Comment #31

    It wouldn’t surprise me if Carver, Stone & co are retained in some capacity when a new head coach arrives because:

    1. The European football model the club wants to implement and to which the new head coach has to adhere to is designed to avoid wholesale changes of staff when a new head coach is appointed.

    2. Ashley is known to be loyal to his trusted employees. Recent history at the club involving the shenanigans of Pardew would in many organisations result in a sacking.

    3. Premiership clubs who have appointed foreign managers have retained British coaches as the manager’s closest assistant and advisor.

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  • lesh

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #32

    Jeff from Benwell @ 28

    I’m sure that’s an informative article you posted but unfortunately, French ain’t in my reportoire (among many other things).

    Do you know anyone who’s fluent enough to translate it for me and any other dimwits like me?

    Or even someone who can drive Google Translate………. Jeffery?

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  • beermonkey

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #33

    every season there are 6 or 7 free agents we could go for to improve the squad

    but until the dead wood like wilo obertan and others are either bought or there contracts run down we wont sign any of them

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  • lesh

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #34

    Yes Slank, recruit a British coach to assist the HC in some way, but for hell’s sake, he must surely have the talent to do the job?

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  • lesh

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:31 AM

    Comment #35

    firebug/ Prime….

    Ashley has shown he’s a spiteful, vindictive owner and I believe that stems from the backlash he got after the Keegan debacle.

    He’ll never forgive the fans for that and their reaction to some of his other stupid moves.

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  • nut meg

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #36

    A forward coach who doesn’t know that a member of the squad is capable of taking a corner kick is IMHO not a forwards coach. A forwards coach who has only had one plan when taking free kicks….enter big Mike Williamson is not a forwards coach.Put the two together & you come to the conclusion that he DEFINITELY is NOT a forwards coach.

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  • magscar

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:40 AM

    Comment #37

    Mister Tuff@10 last thread
    High Five!

    Jeff@12 above

    Shepherd should have let SBR go at end of the previous season with some grace. I was in crowd on last day ( and all season) and mood wasn’t for SBR.

    Times there were a changing and SBR was having problems with younger players who didn’t buy into his approach – Bellamy, Dyer, Robert being the main ones. Think old guard like Speed Lee and Shearer were losing patience with the younger ones as well. As usual getting rid only made sense if there was an upgrade – Bring on Souness! Now there was a patience tester.

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  • geordie157

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:46 AM

    Comment #38

    Souness or Carver….hhmmm

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  • magscar

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    Comment #39

    Reported by the Sunday Mirror:

    “Our aim is to have the new management structure in place before the last ball of the season is kicked.

    “We don’t want to have uncertainty lingering on through the close season and we want supporters and players to finish the season knowing who will be in charge next August.

    “We have taken our time, because this is one of the biggest decisions in the history of this club.

    “The top clubs are opening up a huge gap between themselves and others. We need to get the right man to ensure we are one of those leading clubs.

    “We have had a host of top names declaring their interest but we have kept them secret. When the time is right – and that isn’t too far away – we will name the man to lead us into the future.”

    Missed it? Another April Fool perhaps
    No it was from this day in 2006. History repeating itself. Thanks NUFC.Com

    Oh you may wonder who did we actually get after the big build up in last para by Shepherd – Roeder! Can only hope history doesn’t go on repeating.

    Roeder another good servant to club as a player but wish he hadn’t made that step up and sully my memories of him.

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  • geordie157

    Apr 2, 2015 at 11:48 AM

    Comment #40

    Didn’t know Carl Cort was still playing, he’s at the mighty Tampa Bay Rowdies aged 37.

    Another player that injuries detroyed, remember him scoring on his debut too.

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