Carver Admits The Obvious – But Can He Turn This Around?


Not for the first time this year with John Carver as the interim head coach, Newcastle didn’t show up for the game yesterday – and it was the derby game against Sunderland – so if John Carver cannot get the lads motivated for a derby game – the next seven games could be long and hard for both the team and the fans – especially for the fans.

newcastle players beaten again

Players trudge off after another defeat against Black Cars

Those fans  have been served up far too much tripe this season,  and especially this year under John Carver, who let’s face it – seems out of his depth completely as the head coach at the club

At least Carver faced up to the truth yesterday,  that all his hype before the game meant nothing – absolutely nothing.

John really needs to cut that stuff out – because he cannot follow through on what he says – it’s OK being positive but don’t say you are going to do all this good stuff and then the players don’t even show up for the game.

That’s happened in our last three away games at Man City, Everton and yesterday, where we were pathetic in each game, and we lost those three games by a cumulative score of 9-0.

We were lucky it was only 1-0 yesterday as Sunderland missed a number of good opportunities.

And Liverpool are next up.

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This is what Carver said after the game yesterday:

“I thought in the first half we were dreadful. I said before the game that no side of mine would be criticized for not closing people down and not working and I think I was wrong. We were second best in every department.”

“I thought the makeshift back four stuck to their guns along with the goalkeeper and actually kept us in the game because without those guys, we would have been in big trouble.”

“I would have been doing somersaults if we had gone in at half-time 0-0. That’s how poor we were.” “We did pick it up in the second half, but it still wasn’t good enough.”

“We only had one half decent shot for their keeper to save and that’s a concern.”  “This has got nothing to do with people having flip-flops on or off. I think it is down to the fact we were second best.”

“Pressure is a funny thing when you play in an environment like this. Some people can handle it, some can’t.” “We’ve got a group of people that have played in several derbies and there’s a little bit of a pattern there.”

“I am absolutely embarrassed to be part of it, but I am a part of it and I have to deal with it.”

The fans are also embarrassed that our players cannot  get themselves motivated for the games against Sunderland, and this could be a huge problem down the road.

The upper management did all that business in January, only because they thought they could get away with it – and because they thought we were safe in the league – but are we?

Here are two relevant polls to Newcastle’s current predicament.

Are Newcastle Safe From Relegation Yet?

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Can Carver Get The Points That Will Save Us From Relegation?

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140 comments so far

  • sparky55

    Apr 6, 2015 at 8:56 AM

    Comment #1

    lilongwe.

    you underestimate how much they’ll be worth playing for a decent side. You think they’re worthless in a side being coached by an idiot with no idea or direction but they’ll be worth so much more in a well coached team with structure and a game plan.

    You also underestimate how player values will soar because of the new deal…i’m worth 0.5 million and I’m 53 FFS

    keep a copy of this post…bet I’m not too far off the mark

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 6, 2015 at 8:57 AM

    Comment #2

    Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 6, 2015 at 8:54 AM

    OP,
    I’m sure HBA thought that someone would always want him, didn’t get many offers though last summer. Clubs might want them, but unless they perform then it won’t be clubs that they are wanting to join.

    Sage,
    No, I don’t think they could make Europe but it was more just to highlight a different way. Still, if they are numb to the situation, and have no interest, then I wouldn’t play them at all. If Carver had any stones he should come out and say,”Sissoko doesn’t want to play anymore, and won’t put in the effort, so he isn’t going to play again. £15million and he is yours come summer.”

    You can be damn certain when nobody comes calling for him at that price he will be motivated to play again so that he can get his move.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:01 AM

    Comment #3

    Sparky,
    But they aren’t playing for a decent side, so they aren’t worth that at the minute. Also, the new deal won’t kick in for more than a year, and then monies won’t be given to clubs until the end of that season.

    If values were based on how they would perform at their next club, rather than how they are currently performing we would have a good case for getting our money back on a number of them.

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  • Fostino

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:03 AM

    Comment #4

    Could the following please leave our club as you are not good enough ….carver and your team of amateur coaches. Williamson…Jonas. ..Ryan Taylor. …goofy. ..Anita. …riverie. … .

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #5

    Lg

    I see what your saying but HBA had a lot of baggage, I’m not saying Sissoko could go to arsenal but there’s plenty of sides better than us who’d take him and others.

    If they jump out of this fire they’d be very unlucky to land in the frying pan.

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  • sparky55

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:06 AM

    Comment #6

    all those players are worth what they’re worth to a club that needs a player to fit a system the coach s looking to play. They will improve massively when they move on and any potential buyer will recognise that and their agents will all recognise that as well

    Are you honestly saying Hollands no 2 keeper is worthless?

    Are you really saying sissoko won’t be a huge success for a another team in the premiership?

    Are you honestly saying Cabella won’t be a success anywhere else in europe?

    They haven’t realised their potential at newcastle but will anywhere else just like everyone else who has been sold in the last two years.

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  • scout

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:08 AM

    Comment #7

    Im guessing we will win a game that I dont expect, because I just cant see points anywhere.
    Wish Carver would clear off, he cant motivate players. Anyone who disagrees should watch an fa cup game involving lower league sides.
    People mentioned second half against arsenal they’d just played in Europe earlier in the week.

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  • nut meg

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #8

    Sissoko is IMHO a player who looks really good when running powerfully with the ball but with little end result which = style over substance.In a better team with better coaching may or may not improve him but clearly isn’t up for the fight which in turn shouldn’t be wearing the captain’s armband.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #9

    sparky

    I’ll put my neck on the block and say sissoko wont be anything other than a bench warmer at a club bigger than us….he’s massively over rated.

    Cabaye, although different type of player, was clearly a cut above and he couldn’t make it.

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  • Reyantoon

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #10

    Lil
    Looks unnoticed but that is bad tackle and was a penalty.I remember watched the replay,he got his legs first.We were poor overall but in a game like this, that kind of decision have major impact.In fact not only in this,but in any games.

    I am not that disappointed by the loss though. Because if he had won it,he may got every chance will get the hc job.consequently,they will start to realize we need a real coach,not a joke like the one we have now!!

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:12 AM

    Comment #11

    nutmeg

    couldn’t agree more with you there, sissoko isn’t the type of player a top team would want….way too inconsistent.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #12

    Sparky,
    Just like everyone else who has been sold? Who? Debuchy has barely played, Cabaye spends more time on the bench as does Remy. Ba could barely got a kick at Chelsea and had to move to a far poorer league in Turkey. HBA hasn’t gone anywhere.

    I’m not saying Krul is worthless, but to get £12million for a keeper we are talking one of the very big clubs. He isn’t that good.

    Sissoko wouldn’t get in a team at a top 6 club, he might do okay, huge success, doubt it.

    Cabella, where in Europe? There are only limited teams able to pay those sorts of figures. Wouldn’t want rid of Cabella just yet anyway. See how he does next season.

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  • beermonkey

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #13

    good morning people how are we all this morning

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #14

    reyan

    got to say myself I didn’t think it was a penalty, just good, strong play even by modern standards.

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #15

    Nutmeg

    Sissoko is the perfect replacement for our current captain, both show the same commitment to NUFC.

    When is colo the clown coming to save the day?

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #16

    OP,
    But would it be a step up for them, and would they want another average move?

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  • Ron Knee

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #17

    scout
    I’m hoping for that unexpected win, too. But rationally, we could easily lose all our remaining matches.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #18

    OP,
    At least when Colo played Sunderland, many moons ago, he stood up and was counted.

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  • sing in the corner

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #19

    I’m reading lots of understandable knee jerk reaction,,,its been witnessed by us all and has been well documented how poor that sadly predictable farce was yesterday.
    But there’s no point chucking the baby out with the bathwater, The entire squad is not hopeless or rubbish. Several of our players are decent and would look a lot better if :
    A: played in the right position
    B: surrounded and supported by at least 3-4 quality players and a blend which includes a leader or two.
    I’m talking about, off the top of me head, at least Janmaat, Colback, Perez, Abeid, Haidara, Krul, and some of the raw young uns who need bringing on a bit before they can just be written off as crap.
    Many need to go and be replaced.
    Remember Sissoko when he was interested ? – he probably won’t do that again as he clearly wants to be elsewhere. Same for Tiote. Coloccini left ages ago really. Gouffran is garbage and if anything is getting worse. We know all about Willo… Needs putting out of his misery.
    Sammy is an easy target. Flatters to deceive and on yesterday’s evidence could be one we need to just move on from. Flashes of brilliance but not nearly often enough. Cabella is a strange one. Losing patience now – just seems to not be getting there and he’s had a canny go now, albeit with poor tactical set ups and lack of quality as mentioned earlier.
    Oh sod it , sorry for rambling!!

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  • John Tudor

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:18 AM

    Comment #20

    if jonas was in the box the tw*t would have given a penalty
    the mans a biased robber

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:18 AM

    Comment #21

    Lilongwe and Sparky

    For me players like Krul and Sissoko, our best two according to most people, aren’t that good. They won’t get a top top team who can afford to pay big money and smaller teams won’t gamble a lot of money on those kinds of players, small teams tend to gamble big money on strikers if anything,

    Look at Remy and Ba as examples, both better, more influential players, but chelsea only bought them as they had a release clause, no way would they have spent 15/20 mil on that type of player.

    Other big sales are Carroll, we all knew how stupid that was and cabaye, who was wanted by PSG as he was performing to a consistently high standard for france, his newcastle form was a bonus, they just wanted a top french player in the team and even he can’t get a game,

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #22

    Ron Knee

    I think we’ll stay up, currently 13 so would need 14th – 18th to all get past our points total, I just can’t see that.

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  • sing in the corner

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #23

    (Cabella) lack of quality * around him, I meant..

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #24

    Lg

    That’s for each and everyone of them to decide.

    I’d leave to go to any club that showed they wanted to try, treading water in this stagnate pond of 5hit is no good for any of their careers.

    It may not be a step up but it would be a step in the right direction for them.

    It’s sad that even as a toon fan I think like that about our club!

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  • John Tudor

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #25

    the team played with no balls sorry jonas no pun intended

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  • nut meg

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:21 AM

    Comment #26

    OP
    On Collo the clown. He was unavailable yesterday because he had to take his new car back to the garage.apparently the door wouldn’t fall off.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:24 AM

    Comment #27

    SITC,
    I’d agree with the players you have said to keep/to build around. I’m not sure whether Krul will stay though, and to be honest, I wouldn’t worry too much. Not seen much of Darlow, but he seems to be highly rated, plus Woodman coming through. Ideally keep Krul for 2/3 more years, loan out Woodman, then sell Krul when he is 27/8 and bring Woodman in.

    Haidara hasn’t convinced me, too many injury problems but worth giving a further chance to. I’d probably add Dummet to the list as a back up central defender.

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  • nufcursed

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:26 AM

    Comment #28

    somehow i’m hoping we get relegated again as that might shake up this club and force ashley to get out.

    we need to clear out:

    ashley
    carver
    krul
    ryan taylor
    williamson
    coloccini
    anita
    jonas
    riviere
    obertan
    gouffran
    cissé
    tiote
    marveaux

    the few left are good enough to build a decent squad with.
    we have too many players who will never make it. so we need about 20 new players to build a decent side and that’s never gonna happen. i’m so embarrassed to be a nufc-fan

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  • lochinvar

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:27 AM

    Comment #29

    Ashley runs the club like some Disney Land Franchise for the kids who will buy tat merchandise made in China with pop corn on the side. Could he not invest in the Hoppings and leave us alone and go for a ride.
    Watching the coaching staff yesterday was like watching Fred Flinstone and Barny Rubble – from the era of dinosaurs.
    The players sweating in their silver tops so called athletic shirts huffing and puffing like headless chickens – where are the black and white shirts and ones that are comfortable to wear and look quality not shite.
    Our ball kids ( and ok they love the chance to do the job )at SJP are half the age of those at many clubs and can’t keep the run of play going when needed by fast return of the match ball.
    The half time ” entertainment” is worthy of a village fete.
    And you know it’s bad when the announcer has to scream down his mike ” let’s hear some noise” as if at a poorly attended Rugby a League match.
    Vitriolic – yes
    Minor points – some maybe.
    But the point is that world class brands need to be run professionally from top down and that’s beyond the thinking of Ashley.
    Look at how the Ryder Cup team was organised and presented and played.
    Check out The F1.
    The words that should apply are Professional, Class , Quality ,Pride.
    What Ashley, Penfold and Carver project is tat.
    It’s so fixable but is beyond the owners and coaches.
    Vive la revolution !

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  • Ron Knee

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:29 AM

    Comment #30

    TS
    I hope you’re right. Even if we were relegated, Ashley wouldn’t release his stranglehold.

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  • Reyantoon

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:29 AM

    Comment #31

    TS
    Not worth much argueing about it,we were poor overall,but that is a penalty.Our players did nothing to influence the ref or shout about it.That shows there are many who contribute less to the team and should be axed.
    If u got the chance to watch the replay,he swept his leg,like axe,but Perez didn’t reacted,that’s why he was ignored by the unpredicted ref dean in that game!

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  • sing in the corner

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:30 AM

    Comment #32

    Lil

    Krul sneaked in there to be honest, he has a reputation as a ‘good shot stopper’ but for me he’s made more ricks than game savers lately. It would be a case of evaluating any offer and take it from there. I think Ashley would sell for say, £10M plus,,but that’s not based on his ability of course, more like the sweet sound of the cash register

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  • sparky55

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:31 AM

    Comment #33

    Lilongwe

    MYM, Santon, Foster, Bemba Ba, Loic remy (just went to the wrong club that’s all) Cabaye went to the wrong club too, Routledge, Debuchy (only reason he hasn’t played more is injury.

    I think you have to ask the question…would you take them all back???

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:32 AM

    Comment #34

    If we went down we would find it even harder to find a buyer to match Ashley’s price. West Brom – a fairly steady Premier league side now – are likely to just fetch £150million when they are sold in the near future. That only just covers Ashley’s debt. Including paying off the debt I reckon Ashley will be wanting closer to £400million for the club – especially given the extra benefits his brands receive through advertising.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:33 AM

    Comment #35

    lochinvar

    That’s just the start of it all isn’t it. Two bigger points annoy me.

    1. When relegated the club claimed it had to lay off some staff to keep costs down, not the big name players on 60k a week, but the poor tea ladies, office staff, etc who make minimum wage were sacrificed….as if it makes a blind bit of difference to the club but that was their whole lives for some.

    2. The club objecting to the proposal, which has rightfully been enforced now, to pay all staff not just the minimum wage but the living wage.

    It just sums up how cheap this man really is.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:37 AM

    Comment #36

    Reyan

    Seen it many times and still don’t think it’a penalty. But like you say, no sense arguing as we both just have set views on the matter.

    Also like you say we were poor and deserved what we got.

    Lilongwe

    The only bonus to going down I see is that Ashley would no longer get the benefit from the advertising so might just decide to sell up, especially if we didn’t bounce right back, even if he didn’t get the money he wants as the longer he left it the less he would get.

    He’s made enough from the free advertising in reality to be able to sell the club for nothing, SD has grown so much the last year.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:38 AM

    Comment #37

    Sparky,
    We are going way further back than a couple of years as you earlier suggested. Went to the wrong club? That is part of the move, so if they have gone there and not been a success, then they haven’t been a success.

    Would I take all those you mention back? Nope, Janmaat offers as much as Debuchy, with more assists. MYM isn’t best suited to England. Santon is a poor defender and not much difference between him and Haidara, Italy will suit both Santon and Mbiwa far more. Wouldn’t want Routledge back either. Remy is a pr1ck, and refused to play against Liverpool by his own admission, so no thanks. So only really Cabaye and Ba.

    I was one of the few that wanted to keep Forster whilst most on this blog were proclaiming how bad he was after an error in a friendly against Leeds. Hindsight is a great thing isn’t it.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:39 AM

    Comment #38

    Sparky

    Out of those players you mention I wouldn’t want many back except Ba and Remy, debuchy was good but janmaat is as good…MYM didn’t suit the league (or maybe just our team), Forster too should have stayed….but players like routledge are ok, but really we should be looking a level above him.

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  • beermonkey

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:42 AM

    Comment #39

    Lilongwe

    unless you can get a decent deal there is no point in buying a prem team teams in the championship are so cheap in comparison
    not sure about debt but leeds look like they will be sold for 60mill I think that’s a good price with investment in the right places they could be back in the prem within 2 years
    west brom and villa this week been rumours of selling

    while we make a profit given that we cant play football our squad must be worth peanuts so maybe will be a bit cheaper that 3-400mill

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 6, 2015 at 9:43 AM

    Comment #40

    Sage,
    He has made plenty on the back of the advertising, but he is a multi billionaire, will he ever think he has made ‘enough’?

    He would aim to bring us straight back up and we would be stuck in this same cycle again. The profit over the past few years would cover losses for a bit, along with the parachute payment.

    Like last time, he priced would be buyers out, I don’t think anything has changed, so we need a buyer, or to make life so uncomfortable for him and SD/SD shareholders that he is more willing to sell.

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