Crystal Palace Safe – Gain Massively On Newcastle


Alan Pardew’s Crystal Palace beat Manchester City for the second time this season, when they beat City 2-1 at Selhurst Park after being 2-0 ahead – and they won and deserved the win because they were the better side, although they were hanging on a bit at the end.

That was Alan’s first win in the league against City, having lost the  previous 8 league games while at Newcastle.

alan pardew CP beat Man Cioty 2-1

Alan Pardew – Palace manager
Never short on self-confidence

The result puts a big dent in Manchester City’s title chances – and maybe Manchester City didn’t spend enough money on their squad – maybe they should have spent more than £1B on players over the last six years – or was it only £500M they have spent?

For Crystal Palace, they are all but safe in the league with 39 points from 31 games, and when Pardew took over after 19 games they had only 16 points from 19 games.

So in the 12 games Palace have played in the league this year, they have seven wins and two draws (three defeats) for 23 points, and Alan missed the first game this year when they drew 0-0 at Aston Villa.

So Pardew’s record in the league at Crystal Palace is 11 games played for 22 points – not bad for a relegation side he took over.

As a comparison John Carver has managed 12 league games with 9 points so they have gained 14 points on Newcastle this year so far, and are 4 points ahead of us – but really five since their goal difference is -4 compared to Newcastle’s -16.

So we will not be catching Palace this season.

At the end of the year our goal difference was -6 and Palace’s was -10.

And we will not even mention that Pardew won two FA Cup ties and John Carver lost one FA Cup tie – but the difference in fortune is very noticeable – which is an understatement – yes.

We suppose an experienced manager who’s done it before does make a difference, as we found out with Dick Advocaat of Sunderland in yesterday’s game.

And to think in early January Mike Ashley and Lee Charnley thought Newcastle were safe and (therefore) recklessly sold two of our players and didn’t bother to reinforce the side at all.

And also didn’t bother to replace the manager with anybody with any real experience.

They took the cheap option and managed to also make about £12M – sound familiar?

In business we call that total incompetence – and that’s not even an opinion.

It’s based purely on the facts of what Newcastle did in January, and it showed they didn’t exercise any foresight at all, about what may happen with injuries.

And we’d already had plenty of those before January.

That’s generally called planning – for things that may happen so you are not (totally) exposed.

Palace are going to spend money this summer – so they could even have a decent side next season.

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40 comments so far

  • jayphoto

    Apr 6, 2015 at 11:32 PM

    Comment #1

    If palace keep winning Pardew stands a chance of winning another manager of the year. He’ll be the first manager in history responsible for keeping 2 clubs up and Carver is making the job he did here on paper look amazing…,
    Fair play to him, wouldn’t have him back but respect him for walking out on a surefire 5 years of guaranteed employment. doubt the dead cat will bounce next season though when the honeymoon period is over.
    Imagine how smug he’d be with 2 manager of the year trophies

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  • jayphoto

    Apr 6, 2015 at 11:39 PM

    Comment #2

    On a nufc related note, how bad must our reserve defenders be when none even make the bench when we only have 1 fit centreback and 1 fit fullback??
    If janmaat is out against Liverpool i can see Carver playing Abeid centreback and then using him as a scape goat when we get routed!
    Don’t need much height in defence against liverpool… They play sturridge, sterling and countinho up top, its all pace and movement…
    Im dreading sturridge up against willo
    Sterling up against colback as a left back
    Coutinho vs Taylor…
    If i was Brendan i’d play Balotelli! Strikers always break their droughts against us

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  • IrishGeordie9

    Apr 6, 2015 at 11:46 PM

    Comment #3

    Im sick of hearing people saying:

    “That’s what you get for hounding Pardew out… Etc..”

    Do these pepole not understand that there was a legitimate reason that most of the geordie nation wanted him out. What? Were we wrong to want him out after all those bad records he broke? Sure he had his good times but his bad ones far outweigh them.

    Point is, him leaving was best for all parties. At the time. It frustrates me when people think we had no reason to want him out. That he finished ‘5th’ so he should stay for an eternity. Lets not forget that this man gave us bad press all the time, that this man was very happy to be a puppet to Ashley.

    Im glad he is doing well, but are we wrong for wantimg him out? No.

    Pardew is now at a team that has players that suit his style of management, he is practically a legend there aswell. He is a good manager when he has the right players, which he didnt have at newcastle. So im happy he’s gone.

    Hopefully no more talk of him from now on. He has moved on. So should we. I just wanted to get my bit out.

    And because I can’t physically make a difference to Ashley out -living in limerick(Ireland) I have donated £5 to the site. I will donate more after I see what they have planned.

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 6, 2015 at 11:46 PM

    Comment #4

    Nezza

    It makes no difference it’s one company run by parasites for another.

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 6, 2015 at 11:50 PM

    Comment #5

    Nezza

    Actually I’d prefer SD to be there , then it would be his shit brand associated with the displeasure of the fans, and not some other poor sap being targeted instead.

    F**K him!

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  • Belfast

    Apr 6, 2015 at 11:51 PM

    Comment #6

    He’s doing a very good job and I can see why, his successful periods with us was always when we had real pace in the team. That Palace team suit him right down to the ground.

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  • MacToon

    Apr 7, 2015 at 12:00 AM

    Comment #7

    We know that there’s more than a good chance it’ll end in tears. Can’t help thinking, the higher he goes the greater the fall?

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  • Lindisfarne

    Apr 7, 2015 at 12:22 AM

    Comment #8

    C.Palace have 10 players with a ‘Whoscored’ rating of 6.9 or more with 8 of them being natural English speakers. Newcastle have 6 players and only 2 English speakers. Very unscientific to discredit players because of their language but perhaps AP is more comfortable in a predominantly English speaking changing room. Perhaps NUFC need to employ a multi-lingual Head Coach?

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  • stuart no9

    Apr 7, 2015 at 12:34 AM

    Comment #9

    Seeing pardew doing well at palace shouldn’t come as that big of a surprise to people who have actually studied his career as manager in the last 12- 13 years . The pattern is all too familiar , how that happens I’m not sure , however , put a few quid on palace to go down next season .

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  • The overrated Frenchman

    Apr 7, 2015 at 12:37 AM

    Comment #10

    Pardew’s success so far with Palace just underscores the fact that Newcastle is a club rotten to the core. Burn it to the ground. Start again from scratch. The disease can’t be cured.

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  • lesh

    Apr 7, 2015 at 12:44 AM

    Comment #11

    Notice how Ed’s become really annoyed about the plight of Newcastle United under Ashley?

    Far from being philosophical, he’s like many, most nearly all fans, he’s (forgive my presumption Ed) pi$$ed off, had enough.

    Ashley, just sell up, gerrout man, gerroot!!

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  • Pop n Wyn

    Apr 7, 2015 at 12:44 AM

    Comment #12

    That team that got beat of the makems would have for sure been relegated this season for sure, and although we seem safe, i think we are banking on the last 5 games to ease us out of relegation, it’s such a big gamble that the hiarachy played at Xmas, they fcuk our minds up, they need a bloody gud slap, i have nor ever known such a crappy atmosphere, while watching the match ( not at the ground but in a pub) it was truly awful.

    “If”we stay in the league, we have de Jong the two forrest lads, young Aarons, even young Arms may come gud, we still need another half dozen in of quality, all these milk floats we have hanging around have to go, we all know who they are.

    Mr Ashley line your pockets with more gold,they all go on about how you are a fantastic business man, but you have brought nowt but misery to our city for the large part of your tenure, honestly start putting the money in or just go, our great city us like a wounded giant shackled up, and we are as miserable as hell, you may have all the money son but, in your unearing search for more money, you are making many decent folk loose all faith in their beloved NUFC.

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  • Blofal

    Apr 7, 2015 at 1:12 AM

    Comment #13
  • brklyngeordie

    Apr 7, 2015 at 1:51 AM

    Comment #14

    glad some are finally realizing only way to remove the cancer is not attend, buy merchandise or anything affiliated with club for that matter.

    Hell lets start with something as simple as unfollowing @Nufc on twitter for those who have it, at the time of this post they are at 535k following, get unfollow @Nufc trending #MikeAshleyOut this is fairly simple so lets unite on this and start putting our foot down as fans

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  • Sydney Toon

    Apr 7, 2015 at 2:19 AM

    Comment #15

    Firstly, kudos to Pardew for getting results at Palace. He has that initial results factor, similar to the way he came to Newcastle. We all know that his intensity and ego will get in the way and he will eventually struggle to get results. So anyone that believe we need him back, needs their heads checked. However, I am sure he would do a much better job than Carver and Co in getting us a top 10 result.
    What frustrates me the most, is that Sunderland can sack Poyet and massively upgrade with Dick Advocaat! Here is a man, with the similar pedigree to Van Gaal, Hiddink and Koeman and he was certainly available for us and we didnt bring him in, even on a temporary basis.
    There better be one hell of an appointment in the Summer, and I am predicting a finish of no higher than 14th this season, ensuring carver doesnt get the job. Charnley is basically giving Carver support he needs to get through the season, that is all it is. I am expecting De Boer or Tuchel to arrive, any less of an appointment of their pedigree would be a major disappointment. I would take Sherwood as well given his ability with younger players and his emphasis on attacking football. And his media appointments would always give us something to get excited about.
    I want to believe that we could be a takeover target, but I dont see it happening.
    We made great investment last summer, but we had a manager basically clueless on where to play them and use them, not to mention the player Pardew basically hinged his 4231 plans on, De Jong, has been out injured all season. We cannot deny the fact that this team was setup at the start of the season, based on Sissokho, De Jong and Cabella clicking. We ahve lost out way, it is basically where everything was feared to go wrong, has. Like always, we seem to regain faith that next season will be different, but it all starts with a Head Coach playing a system that will suit the players that Carr brings in. We have seen the players brought in by Carr are fantastic buys and great players, but we need that Head Coach to be the right appointment. It is obvious that Carr has told Charnely that it is pointless spending 30m on new players if they are not going to be used or played in the way where their technical ability will come out on top.

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  • remember69

    Apr 7, 2015 at 2:23 AM

    Comment #16

    I find it interesting that AP is once again being touted as manager of the year. It will be interesting to see which bloggers are men enough to admit they were wrong and which continue to blame the guy for all of our woes.
    When will folks realize that any manager is restricted with what he is given to work with? How many managers can you name that win/gain recommendation for manager of the year twice for two different clubs in what, 5 years?
    At least now folks have Carver to moan about, at least until someone else comes in to take the abuse.
    Time to take a step back boys and re-evaluate your football ‘expertise’.

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  • Sav

    Apr 7, 2015 at 2:48 AM

    Comment #17

    Delighted for Mashley to know Pardew’s Palace will be getting more TV cash than us. That must hurt.

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  • 89Norcal

    Apr 7, 2015 at 3:10 AM

    Comment #18

    While I was fully behind getting rid of Pardew, it was for a mix of reasons. His tactics were becoming increasingly negative, he was over-reliant on certain players, and he was obviously disillusioned with the NUFC fanbase. Any of us would have trouble doing our job with most of an entire city rallied against us, nitpicking our every mistake and micro-analyzing our every word.

    Footie fans will NEVER know what it means to be a manager unless they were one, and that’s just facts. If being an armchair critic were such a valuable trait, companies wouldn’t care about your employment credentials and experience would be void.

    But there were many – who in their frustrated, child-like fits, needed to a target to relentlessly bash and Pardew was the easy choice. Truth is people will always find something to moan about. And Pardew’s gone and here we are, and there Palace are…

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  • The overrated Frenchman

    Apr 7, 2015 at 4:17 AM

    Comment #19

    Pardew bought into Ashley’s vision for his own personal greed, and so became part of the disease. As such, he was due any and all the criticism he got.

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  • Dondatta13

    Apr 7, 2015 at 4:20 AM

    Comment #20

    My 2p worth regarding Ashleyout….

    Hit him from all sides.

    His foes are our allies, so, Rangers, the SFA, Parliment, the very many journalists he has banned, hell even Dave Whelan should imho all be contacted…

    That, along with protests, boycotts etc, we need to make him as uncomfortable as possible from the moment he opens his eyes to the second he goes to sleep. Why stop there…

    It is now law, that emotional abuse is a criminal offense. Is that just for domestic abuse? He has crippled an entire region single handedly with his petty vendictive ways. Hes like a bully and or a tirant… European court of human rights might be worth a shot…

    What is the one thing he hates most of all (apart from Geordies). It’s being in the spotlight. So put him under the microscope, the journalists who he has banned should be encouraged into digging into his life… Dispatches, Panorama, Exposure, Tonight etc I dont suppose Michael Moore reads this blog does he?

    04.20… way past my bedtime lol

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  • The overrated Frenchman

    Apr 7, 2015 at 5:02 AM

    Comment #21

    I like the way you’re thinking Dondatta. I actually had one of my legal blokes explore the possibility of a class action being brought by ST holders on the grounds that Ashley was failing to provide an adequate service for monies received. In the end I let it go, all too hard, but the principle is not without merit. You can’t keep taking people’s money endlessly under false pretences, and Ashley could conceivably be seen as guilty of that.

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  • Our Toon

    Apr 7, 2015 at 6:20 AM

    Comment #22

    I’m well happy with pardew, I put 20 quid on him keeping palace up this season and getting relegated or sacked for next season.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Apr 7, 2015 at 6:29 AM

    Comment #23

    89…what a black and white description of a situation where wouldn’t have lasted long was it actually a company which you draw comparison to.

    Fact is he’s not good enough! Speaking of credentials they even say so!

    Maybe Newcastle supporters moan, but it’s their product their community to moan about. It’s not a charity organization for has been or not good enough managers to get crack at the PL.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Apr 7, 2015 at 6:30 AM

    Comment #24

    *where Pardew

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Apr 7, 2015 at 6:35 AM

    Comment #25

    I see another group have sprung up. Newcastle fans United talking about walk outs, they couldn’t get it right last time. Why not leave it all to one group.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Apr 7, 2015 at 6:48 AM

    Comment #26

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32198678

    I remember seeing Neil Redfearn play, he deserves a great deal of credit for dragging Leeds forward and continuing to manage in a difficult situation.

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  • catchy in norway

    Apr 7, 2015 at 7:00 AM

    Comment #27

    im sick of hearing about how P45 is doing a great job at palace, and how we drove him out.

    didn’t watch the game yesterday, but they had 25% possession, sounds like luck played a huge part in there win .

    if you check all of palaces games since he has been there, sure they have had some great wins, but they are starting to play the way he had us playing, grinding out results, and it will happen soon enough, they will stop winning and start losing, then they will go on very long runs without wins, just as he has at every club he has been at.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 7, 2015 at 7:25 AM

    Comment #28

    Jail,
    Unbelievable. Surely these groups can put egos aside and just use one for any campaigns.

    Mac,
    I’m never on? I’m on most days, just much earlier than you I guess as I come on after getting in from site visits and before I start general office work.

    I read the article before you posted it on here, it was good. I asked the same question, what have people on here done other than stop going, which has silenced a voice, and moan on here. I appreciate you have made efforts in the past, and will no doubt continue to do so. Sadly, I am over 5,000 miles from Newcastle and would be unable to help out on the ground. Anything I could do remotely, I would be happy to. I have already donated money to the site, and donate often to NUST, despite being a paid up life member.

    As I have said in the past, it needs to be one group that we all get behind, not several different factions who can’t even agree on a time to walk out of a game.

    As for the Liverpool thing, we have had this discussion on here, and 1 or 2 other posters came out and said they had been at the meeting and that is what they thought was happening. I was working off wrong information and retracted it once corrected.

    I doubt you will be on at this time, but hopefully you will have a flick back through later and see my response.

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  • mkhalaf

    Apr 7, 2015 at 7:33 AM

    Comment #29

    You all should keep quiet!!! if all of the fans weren’t throwing soooo much negativity towards pardew (Who I personally thought was great for Newcastle), maybe he would have stayed and you wouldn’t be complaining about john carver soooo damn much.

    Pardew was an excellent manager for newcastle, and I don’t think anyone would have gotten better results with the squad he had, the constraints from management (selling all of his best players,, not to mention MID SEASON), the pressure from fans,, not to mention the injuries as well!

    give credit where credit is due, and stop whining if you were saying PARDEW OUT a few months ago!!

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  • Reyantoon

    Apr 7, 2015 at 8:01 AM

    Comment #30

    Bring back king Pard !!!

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  • hibbit

    Apr 7, 2015 at 8:01 AM

    Comment #31

    are you a newcastle supporter or one of bishops minions or maybe just a WUM i am going to treat you with the contempt you deserve if pardue was half the man you think he was he would have stood up and told it as it was but no he said nowt he was happy to be part of it now get back under your stone troll

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  • sparky55

    Apr 7, 2015 at 8:03 AM

    Comment #32

    I’ve got images of certain scenes from Monty pythons “Life of Brian”.

    Picture the scene in Roman times…2 groups of people sat close to each other in an arena.

    “Are you the Peoples front Judea”

    “Fcuk off!…Judean’s people front!”

    and in a secret meeting in a bolt hole in someones house

    What have the romans ever done for us?

    ergo

    What has Ashley ever done for newcastle United?

    One things for sure lads…no point having several factions fighting the same cause…getting rid of Ashley / the Romans is the one thing we all agree on. We need one group heading this one up and ashleyout have my vote…all those factions out there should approach them and ask them how you can help.

    …and all the armchair warriors (me included because I don’t live in Newcastle any more) should fire across a tenner or whatever you can afford to Ashleyout.com. All monies not used in battle will go to SBR Foundation so a worthy cause no matter how you look at it.

    May the fun and games begin

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Apr 7, 2015 at 8:05 AM

    Comment #33

    Hibbit
    Everyone with a different opinion to you is not a Troll.
    Try and engage in debate dear boy and keep your toys in the perambulator.

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  • beermonkey

    Apr 7, 2015 at 8:07 AM

    Comment #34

    sparky

    I love the life of brian

    Ashley is not the messiah he’s a very naughty boy

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  • Reyantoon

    Apr 7, 2015 at 8:10 AM

    Comment #35

    Anyone who calls others a troll,a wum..
    is a troll,a wum himself !!

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 7, 2015 at 8:10 AM

    Comment #36

    Reyan,
    I thought all British managers were terrible? That has been the theme of your posts recently? McClaren is a far more skilled coach, and more successful manager then Pards so why would you want Pardew back, yet slag off McClaren?

    As for Pardew going, it was a key battle against Ashley. Don’t judge any of it until next season, or we appoint someone to the position long term. Success with one club doesn’t translate to doing well at another. To think that is a far too simplistic way of looking at it.

    Pardew should be thanking Newcastle on a daily basis, as without us picking him up off the League 1 scrap heap, the likelihood is he would be sitting next to Curbishley in the TV studios now.

    Newcastle did more for Pardew then he did for us. Newcastle, not Ashley. Ashley and Pardew had a mutually beneficial partnership of stagnating and lowering expectations at a once proud club.

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  • sparky55

    Apr 7, 2015 at 8:11 AM

    Comment #37

    beermonkey….LMAO

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  • hibbit

    Apr 7, 2015 at 8:13 AM

    Comment #38

    jeff read his post and tell me thats not a wind up we all know they will be coming out the woodwork today……..jeff maybe you should practice what you preach

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  • Jeff from Benwell

    Apr 7, 2015 at 8:57 AM

    Comment #39

    I shall Hibbit
    Lilo
    Do you not think this sudden dramatic increase in TV money has changed the whole premier league ball game ?
    I wonder how long the proprietors have known?
    Just for one example last night , Man City v Palace — Milner 30 Toure 31 Lampard 36 —
    Just why have City not kicked on and brought in younger squad players ?
    Other prospective buyers are now coming at championship level hoping for promotion eg Red Bull hoping to get Leeds for £60million.
    I can see the EPL following Rugbys example with just 1 up 1 down or even the NFL with no relegation or promotion just a massive play off at seasons end with a Super(bowl)cup

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  • mike ashley for the greater good

    Apr 7, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #40

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