This Damning Indictment Of Carver’s Cautious Tactics


What we have found out over the last three months is that John Carver talks a good game before the match, and talks a good game after the match, it’s just that during the matches Newcastle are usually hopeless.

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John Carver was out coached by a certain Dick Advocaat

When everything is said and done about John Carver, there’s a lot more said than done.

And the other thing we’ve learned is that John is playing the same tactics that Alan Pardew used at Newcastle although he seems more defensive.

We still try to use the quick breakaway as our main attacking threat and while Alan Pardew has Crystal Palace playing that style almost to perfection – as was amply demonstrated in the 2-1 home win this week to Premier League Champions Manchester City – John Carver is less willing to attack at any time.

With John Carver in charge we are far too willing to just sit back and defend, and he even is starting tor remind us of Sam Allardyce at his worst when Sam was at Newcastle.

After the game kicks off Newcastle go immediately on the defense.

He seems to prepare for every game trying not to lose, rather than trying to win – and there is a big difference between those two approaches.

After the Sunderland defeat, which we are trying not think about too much – because of the inherent pain – it was yet another shameful display with most of Newcastle players looking like wimps again.

And it was all too much for a certain Daryl Janmaat.

Daryl was again one of our best players and an important characteristic he has shown this season is to talk to the press even when Newcastle have been diabolical – like we were at the Stadium of Light .

On Sunday we continued with our Sunderland Charity drive with a 5th loss in a row – which is more than shameful.

This is what the top Dutchman said yesterday after the game:

“It was not good enough. The first half was really poor. We were too negative.”  “The second half was much better, but I think it still was not good enough.”

“They deserved to score in the first half because they had maybe 20 free kicks and they were better than us,”

“We don’t say we didn’t give everything, but what I can say is that we were not good enough and everybody saw Sunderland were better, especially first half.

“If you are not good enough, most of the time you lose.”

Daryl even shows some good common sense and logic with that last sentence.

The Dutch International has settled down extremely well this season, and the 25 year-old has shown he is already a very good player in the Premier League.

That probably means we will sell him at a handsome profit in the summer because he’s been a good stock buy (as in stocks and shares) for the Newcastle owner.

So Mike Ashley – true to form – will probably sell Daryl this summer – no reason to wait until next January.

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69 comments so far

  • Average_Contents

    Apr 8, 2015 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #1

    BandB

    Yes there are many ways to show your disapproval, back turning being a good option. Taking credit for a goal? Surely that’d be johnny boys remit. After thanking mikey of course.

    Don’t know them on a personal level. I’ve messaged them through fcukbook and surprisingly I received a reply (thought they’d be far too busy) after just starting up, well going public with their intentions. They seem open to any and all ideas and actively welcome any input.

    If I lived in the area I’d be doing like yourself and OP are planning on.

    Just out of interest – you’ve changed your plan?

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  • Average_Contents

    Apr 8, 2015 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #2

    Anyone else having dramas with the blog this morning? Logging me out. Ads popping up. It’s getting annoying. Never had both problems on my phone. Sort it ed.

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  • sevenho

    Apr 8, 2015 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #3

    There is every reason for nufc to sell janmatt in January, because this is where the market is inflated and fat mike can earn almost double the profit in Jan. After that, he will apply the same buying strategy of buying cheap but always fail because no club would sell their best players cheaply in Jan. And the cycle of carroll, cabaye start all over again.

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  • BandB

    Apr 8, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #4

    AC,

    I have gone along to things where I can mill around in the background, and this is one of those.

    I wondered whether those who have expressed support on this blog might want to brainstorm one big idea we could submit to them.

    I think they should encourage everyone to make this a big live Twitter event, with it’s own hashtag. We don’t have to rely these days on the Chronicle’s filtered version of events.

    We can report it ourselves. Live.

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  • Average_Contents

    Apr 8, 2015 at 10:37 AM

    Comment #5

    BandB

    I think that idea is already in motion.

    #boycottspurs or something like that. I don’t use twatter but I’ve seen it on comments pages, fcukbook ect.

    Brainstorming. Sounds like a plan. The only downside would be, especially on this blog – wums and arsewipes in general being well arsewipes. I’m sure they can be ignored.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Apr 8, 2015 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #6

    Go to the stadium dressed as Zombies

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  • Average_Contents

    Apr 8, 2015 at 10:46 AM

    Comment #7

    Got to dash now (helping the in-laws sort their back garden)

    I shall be on later to perhaps discuss ideas if anyone’s still about.

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  • The next Mike Williamson

    Apr 8, 2015 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #8

    If Carver loves the club, he should hold his hands up and admit he hasn’t got what it takes to be a manager. We need a clean break from Pardew & should boot out Stone & Carver. I hate to say it, but even Beardsley is not a proper coach. Our entire coaching staff seems to have been selected on a jobs for the boys policy.

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  • lesh

    Apr 8, 2015 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #9

    The next Mike Williamson

    If you remember. Carver threw his hat in Ashley’s direction after he was sacked, nay left, Toronto and Ashley brought him in on a trial basis – to see if he could work with Pardew.

    He was available, free and of course a geordie (so what?). In other words, take Carver or do without!

    Nowt changes does it.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 8, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    Comment #10

    it’s great to see the ashley out campaign now gaining some momentum instead of apathy and ridicule. Good on em.

    it still would have been interesting to see if a competent attack minded coach could have got something out of rivi, cabella, mym, anita, marv, benny, ferryra etc etc.

    Ash deserves all the abuse because he never gave the fans that option.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 8, 2015 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #11

    lindisfarne

    i think you may have mentioned that before and it certainly gets my vote

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  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 8, 2015 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #12

    bandb @

    I think you’re onto something there

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 8, 2015 at 11:22 AM

    Comment #13

    Anyone else noticed the sun shining ever since AO said enough is enough.

    Except for the couple of moaners saying if you don’t like, I wonder if they’ve ever thought of listening to their own advice.

    BandB

    I thought you’d end up having a change of plan, glad to see it. The more the merrier.

    Maybe everyone wearing the same colour tops, I’m up for anything to harass the slimy toad. Can’t wait for the spurs game and I hope the momentum keeps building.

    Ashley out.
    Nay Sayers out.

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 8, 2015 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #14

    If we all wore same colour tops it’s easy to see in ground and out, red would stand out most against black n white.

    It would turn a few heads seeing SJP turn red.

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  • Shot Bru

    Apr 8, 2015 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #15

    For the Spurs game….you need a drone to fly inside the stadium with a GoPro attached and a banner sporting the protest hashtag slogan ( professionally designed)

    GoPro footage could be uploaded instantly to social media recording protests in and outside the ground…

    All media outlets would lap it up too…

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  • dazzler

    Apr 8, 2015 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #16

    The reason I suppor

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  • Sav

    Apr 8, 2015 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #17

    If the tactics were negative at the Stade de Merde, heaven knows what it will be like against Liverpool. I reckon the walls could cave in and the roof come down on Cardew and the so called ‘squad’ at Anfield this weekend.

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  • BandB

    Apr 8, 2015 at 11:35 AM

    Comment #18

    Sorry AC

    Had to do some actual work. That has to stop!

    Perhaps someone could act as an email hub for off-blog communication. It would have to be secure to prevent it being infiltrated.

    I nominate Ibizatoon.

    OP.

    I have always thought it odd that people who have welcomed this hostile takeover of our club that has changed both its character and its historic relationship with our region have been able to get away with their defeatism and calling everyone else neggers and moaners. It’s time the cap was put where it fits.

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  • dazzler

    Apr 8, 2015 at 11:39 AM

    Comment #19

    I hate this phone.

    The reason I supported the sack Pardew lot was in part due to the fact I detested the man, but in part due to their anonymity. In not going public with their identity it allowed them yhe unique opportunity of attempting change without the egotism shown by other fan groups. They truly seem to want what is best for the club, not what is best for themselves, a la wraith et al.

    If they can gain the same momentum as before, remain open to suggestions as they did previously, keep the same focus on the task at hand as they did with sackpardew then to me they are the best bet on fan groups willing to promote change.

    I can’t see many people boycotting the spurs match mind, Someone said with the Pardew thing t shirts. Emblazoned with dawning facts of Ashleys ownership and other business practices. The stewards have two choices, eject yhe fans, thus creating an emptier stadium, or a stadium full of people showing ashley up for what he is. Seems win win to me.

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  • dazzler

    Apr 8, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    Comment #20

    Damning. Stupid phone.

    And I believe the t shirt idea was markaccus

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  • BandB

    Apr 8, 2015 at 11:59 AM

    Comment #21

    Shot Bru,

    I have an example of just how independent footage can be used to prevent news stories being manipulated and massaged.

    Once, while filming a big march, we took the time to film the marchers approaching us in widescreen, so everyone could be seen. We stayed in our fixed position and kept filming in one unbroken sequence until the march had passed by.

    It took 16 minutes. When the police later claimed 3000 people had taken part, there was footage they needed to explain. They revised their figures.

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  • danishmag

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:07 PM

    Comment #22

    Is it not funny, to see how Palace perform under Pardew?
    You ignorant fools, that said it was all about getting him sacked, must be looking in the mirror in shame these days.
    As i have said all along, its about the players, and who the manager has on the field.
    You could put a monkey to sit on the bench of mighty Real Madrid, and they would still be top of the bunch, as long as the monkey gets a big bag of bananas/Money to play with.
    Do anyone on here really think, that if a manager like Mourinho came to Newcastle, and had the same Money to spend, as Pardew had, that we would end higher up the table?
    Its all up to one person, how high Newcastle goes.. And that´s the one who owns the Club. period!
    I honestly believe that this summer, the Money will be spend on some good players. We all saw a pinch of it last summer, getting Cabella in. That was a taste i think.
    The Money has been spend on the infrastructure, and that is now in order.
    Next in line, is getting the Young players to blend with som good buys over the summer. These couple of years has been a nightmare, but this summer will hopefully prove that Ashley has been Building the Whole time, and now its time to see all the Work that has been put in it.
    Its about running a football Club, without having lost tons of Money, doing it.
    It can be done… Other Clubs has done over the years, and are now sound financially and on the top of the game.. Bayern M, Arsenal etc…

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  • BandB

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:13 PM

    Comment #23

    danishmag,

    Nope, no shame.

    Pardew while here would have continued to ensure that the club achieved to the satisfaction of Mike Ashley.

    It was his realisation that he would have to keep answering for the growing paucity of that ambition that made him leave. He escaped from Groundhog Day.

    Spending in the summer is unavoidable. You won’t be “told you so-ing” anyone, I’m afraid.

    We are aiming for a “net spend” you know. A whole “net spend”.

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  • barkel

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:14 PM

    Comment #24

    @22 Danish

    Most other managers would have a plan B, Pardew has a fixed style and if it’s not working he has nowhere to go. I’m not sure who said that yesterday but it’s accurate. This summer “hopefully” .. how can you still be saying wait & see, it’s sickening to watch or team try to play football. We manage 35mins of good football every other game. Management is rotten with no game plan, needs a massive clear out from the boardroom down

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  • messi is beardsleys bairn

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:17 PM

    Comment #25

    BLACK ARM BANDS FOOTBALL HAS DIED AT ST JAMES PARK

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  • MacToon

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:17 PM

    Comment #26

    Lilo, you were of course right, that was what I meant and meant no malice with my comment. It was, after the fact, an amusing episode and part of a learning curve.

    Regarding season ticket holders and attendance figures. I queried attendance figures for a long time and have since been reliably informed that it is common practice (at least for NUFC) to automatically count ST as in attendance even if the seat is empty. I think this is unfair and hope to at least see many gaps in the stands come a week on Sunday.

    Empty stands is what Ashley deserves though. Make this happen. It is long overdue.

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  • lesh

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:24 PM

    Comment #27

    Optimistic

    Good idea that, wearing one colour.

    Need to be careful though, isn’t red one of the SD logo colours?

    Maybe orange t-shirts with an Ashley Out logo?

    But there’s cost, organisational and distribution arrangements to be considered. Print and sell them at say £2 each outside or enroute to SJP, Leazes Park, the Quayside etc etc.

    A fundraiser and awareness raised in one go?

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  • mindshaft

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:27 PM

    Comment #28

    Whats this mental post – pure fabrication.

    JC said himself that he doesn’t shackle players man, he wants them to express themselves, he was round with Sir Bobby and the entertainers ya kna, and the forst time with KK like – aye he remembers it like yesterday man

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  • BandB

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:29 PM

    Comment #29

    Mac

    For those who say a boycott would never work I say many thousands are already boycotting, and doing so successfully. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

    My seat and those around me will have been filled. The stadium is filled, though I was in a position to be able to see all the dozens of organisations writing in every week to try to get coverage for the free tickets they had received from the club. And of course there are all those discounts.

    Yes, the Toon Army has still a large core ploughing determinedly on, low on morale and waiting to see when the final straw is going to come. And there are those, who I admire, who will die in their seats.

    But it is supplemented with huge numbers of raw recruits for whom the novelty is yet to wear off.

    Has nothing changed? I think the regulars will know. The place feels like a garden centre at Bank Holiday.

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  • BandB

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:31 PM

    Comment #30

    Fluorescent high viz colours.

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  • Mister Tuff

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:35 PM

    Comment #31

    ref the Spurs game and any AO tactics.
    I think that rather rely on a chance video of any materials being confiscated -AO should positively “set up” several attempts at getting material confiscated and videoed to boot.
    Such as a fans declaring to stewards that he has a bundle of AO posters to hand out within the ground.(providing these are not offensive/insulting I do not see that they should be bannned after reading the ticketing conditions and ground conditons). Let the fan challenge if they are to be seized -before giving them up and going in. Have someone video the entire exercise -WITH AUDIO as well.

    The pie and beer brigade need to exercise restraint and allow a bit of time for others to protest and not berate them when they are exercising their rights. Couple of minutes delay to get the pie and pint won’t hurt anyone.

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  • Jaime Lannister

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:38 PM

    Comment #32

    This ashley out protest is getting ridiculous, why on earth would any manager or owner want to come to newcastle knowing this is the type of abuse they could get?

    When ashley first came to the club he said that he wanted to win a trophy for the fans and enjoy owning a football club so why should he be interested in spending more of his own money in trying to appease thousands of ungrateful fans that want his head?

    I personally believe that he wants newcastle to be successful and sustainable, it has been said that he hasn’t taken a penny from the club, however this becomes less likely with every pointless boycott and protest as he is more likely to not invest in the future of the club. We shouldn’t be too bothered if he sells sissoko, how many goals has he scored this season and how poor was he in the derby? Every single player in our squad can be replaced

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  • Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #33

    Band B

    The worry and issue is is getting a clear, consistent and simple message to people. Many who attend won’t be aware of what is going on on social media and websites like this. I don’t know what AshleyOut will be working over the next week or so but they need TV coverage, Radio Coverage, Papers. Everything needs to be done, and I for one thought they did admirably well for the SackPardew organisation – regardless of whether you agreed with it or not.

    I’ve spent the last couple of days contesting people on the legitimacy, effectivness of AshleyOut but it boils down to people getting up and getting out there and doing their bit. If all people can do is moan on forums like this day after day then they shouldn’t have the audacity or gall to complain or chastise against those who are willing to fight for them and try something.

    I long for the old days before social media in all honesty, for something like this. SO many messages and crossed wires makes such a task so difficult. Before when everyone knew who was who and you could make a phonecall or drop a flyer into a letter box were alot simpler.

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  • stuart no9

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #34

    It’s just a thought , but, everyone knows the effort ashley puts into advertising SD . Well, what about if we advertisd SD for him but in a different format . What About if T shirts , banners , got printed with a SD on the front but with a big red line crossed thought it . It’s something everyone would see and I don’t think ashley would be too best pleased . What I’m saying is, let’s advertise SD for him , but in our way , not his . Worth putting to AO ????

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  • Mister Tuff

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #35

    mactoon – I’m still a bit puzzled why the sackpardew group sought permission to bring their A4 posters into the ground. Any ideas.
    I’ve read the ground and ticketing conditions several times and still fail to see why.

    Off for a while now – got to cut a tree down.

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  • Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:40 PM

    Comment #36

    Jaime Lannister

    Because if you operate with transparency and put the club first then you will not be treated like that. It really is that simple.

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  • Geremi's Prosthetic Leg Fund

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:42 PM

    Comment #37

    Also you can trot off back to your office now Lee.

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  • andrew84

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:42 PM

    Comment #38

    Danishmag

    An interesting point, but one that shoots yourself in the foot almost immediately.

    You say that it’s not the manager who impacts results, it’s the players on the field. Yet just before that you comment on how well Palace are doing now that Pardew is there. Bit confused by that one.

    And I for one wanted Pardew to leave if only to try and rid us of persistent 3-0 and 4-0 defeats, only to then have him blaming the fans for the result.

    So no…I can’t say that I feel shame when I look in the mirror. Ashley is the real villain but Pardew was a great stooge, just like Carver is now.

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  • stuart no9

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:44 PM

    Comment #39

    Jamie —— are you pissed ?

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  • geordie157

    Apr 8, 2015 at 12:45 PM

    Comment #40

    the season ticket holders will never want to miss a game.

    All the home supporters leaving at half time would draw a lot of attention and tv coverage, but that won’t happen.

    The ashley out print outs could be used, sneak them in and make them into paper aeroplanes, then on 20mins get as many thrown onto the pitch, delaying the game and everyone then unites into Ashley out chants.

    Would require some excellent throwing skills though haha.

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