This Coach Would Struggle At Newcastle – So Would Anybody


BBC Match of the Day pundit Danny Murphy thinks that current Derby County boss Steve McClaren would struggle if he was made head coach at Newcastle in the summer, but let’s face it so would anybody else – because Newcastle is not run as a football club – it’s run as a business where profits are everything – the only thing – and the players are second priority.

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Danny Murphy – Match of the Day pundit

It looks like Steve will be offered the job in the summer, always assuming Newcastle can stay in the Premier League this season and not be relegated for the second time in six years under Mike Ashley.

This is some of what Danny said on the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast Show on talkSPORT:

“He’s one of the best managers I’ve worked with in terms of his coaching and his tactics, but the problem I think is the players – If they don’t change then he’d struggle,”

McClaren could well stay at his current side Derby County, and they will still have a chance of promotion through the playoffs,  but have dropped out of gaining automatic promotion with a poor March and April – as far as their results go.

And of course if the disaster scenario plays out at Newcastle and we continue to lose games, and we are relegated next month, then most of the transfer plans would go out of the window, and then we’d be seeking a coach for a Championship side.

It would be all change at Newcastle if we are relegated again and any coach will struggle whether we are in the Premier League or the Championship, because things aren’t set up to have  a successful side.

Things are set up to make money and have good financial results.

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163 comments so far

  • Average_Contents

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:36 AM

    Comment #1
  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:37 AM

    Comment #2

    A foreign, modern, technical progressive coach may at least try and play football though.

    Plus with good managers / coaches it’s not always about the big money signings but the sum of the parts, ie playing with desire and hunger. Brian Clough best example for this.

    Do we do any pass and move drills in training at all. It just seems to be hopeful hoofs from willo to Perez and very little else.

    Hilarious carver now saying we ‘ll play less football to get results. Yeah we’ve been so Barcelonaesque up till now!!

    Run by 3 bibs and cones men is right, but as always that’s Ashley’s fault for not employing people fit for purpose.

    After all, an alcoholic with vascular dementia can get hired twice at Sid james park.

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  • beermonkey

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:37 AM

    Comment #3

    Ibiza

    I think it was far from a failure it was noticeable on match of the day enough that they did there little bit at the start

    ever1s entitled to there opinion but ultimately we all want the same
    though its sad some1 reported couples arguing over going or not
    hats off to the bloke that left his misses in the put to go I don’t think I would be so brave, to go and watch that live then back to his misses I bet she made his life hell

    I like danny murphy he don’t care who he upsets and if he has an axe to grind he grinds away

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  • Average_Contents

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:38 AM

    Comment #4

    That was taken during the first half it says on the bottom of the picture.

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  • hibbit

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:41 AM

    Comment #5

    how many away fans were there

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  • Lindisfarne

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:41 AM

    Comment #6

    It is very surprising how the media are changing the way they cover NUFC since AP left?!

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/29327/9814163/mike-ashley-has-to-be-bored-watching-newcastle-says-jamie-carragher

    A very good analysis of the situation and made me wonder if a compromise would be to have a figure head that represented supporters as a non-executive director on the board. In order to bring about a better relationship between the fans and the club.

    When I started to think about who I realised that there are people in position already in the club who seem to be under pressure to not rock the boat, ie. Moncur and Beardsley. Plus the public relations guy who runs the Fans Forum only seems to bounce back any comment about the club, rather than investigating the fans perspective. Hence why there is no trust.

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  • reilly

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:42 AM

    Comment #7

    no decent manager will come anywhere near this club,i expect carver will get the job full time in the coming weeks.

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  • jayphoto

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:42 AM

    Comment #8

    Don’t agree with that! Don’t think mclaren would struggle. Nor would any half competent manager! Not saying he’d excel but with the group of players we have he wouldn’t have us dropping like a stone like carver has!
    One thing is clear on the playing side, theres no discipline and no motivation and no respect. Players still refer to carver as Johnny or john. Never heard man utd players call ferguson or van gaal that way…The sending offs and bans are a sign of ill discipline. Problem is at the top with Ashley but that doesn’t mean a manager with a clue wouldn’t have us 9th -11th with this group of players

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  • Lindisfarne

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #9

    Rotonda heights

    I don’t know if you are on Twitter (I am not) but it may be a good idea to try and get Gutierez to spill the beans about the training methods at the club. He has nothing to loose.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #10

    It seems the only people that get the positions of responsibility at this club are the ones who are prepared to talk their way in. Is MA just gulible?

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  • Lindisfarne

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #11

    # gullible

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  • beermonkey

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #12

    jayphoto

    ian wright still refers to glen hoddle as gaffer or boss when they are on tv together left over from there England days makes me chuckle

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  • hibbit

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #13

    jay this group of players are very poor so many of them not god enough for the prem plus squad is to small

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  • Magpie Season

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:50 AM

    Comment #14

    Nothing is going to happen.

    Ashley’s stock just continues to rise & he is getting richer & richer. Why the hell would someone with billions of pounds give a rats ass about a few demonstrations, couple of thousand not attending, bad press coverage. None of this will ever abate his wealth. He earns pocket change by owning NUFC than he does his franchise. He does not care in the progression of the club, which is one of the reasons our feeder club/network & merchandising are so poor.

    The only way something will happen is you lot in Tyneside, & fans world-wide (who buy from the store) stop caring for a while. This isn’t about money. The players themselves couldn’t give a hoot. Neither should we. After some time has passed, this guy will actually want to sell & not put on a facade of doing so. As he is only in it for the advertising of his franchise.

    My point is:
    NUFC PROFIT = 18mil
    SPORTS DIRECT = 240mil

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28340131

    It has increased every year since he took over. That was the year we were in Europe.

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  • beermonkey

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:50 AM

    Comment #15

    Lindisfarne

    Jonas did once complain to about the training at the end of the season he got cancer, he didn’t play again then was sent to Norwich it was mentioned that it was because he had complained

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  • Average_Contents

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #16

    Another decent piece. From the chronicle too.

    http://mobile.newsnow.co.uk/A/769011557?-11058:809

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  • Average_Contents

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #17

    Hibbit

    Just over 3k according to reports in papers.

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  • Ron Knee

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:56 AM

    Comment #18

    Lindisfarne@10
    Interesting point. Do you see Ashley as a sort of football groupie? It might explain some of his bizarre appointments.

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  • Wayayman

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #19

    Suddenly McClaren and top ten finish sounds like a runaway success, so far have we fallen.

    Very well done to everyone who organised and participated yesterday in the boycott, fair play to those who decided to go in to the stadium too -it’s a choice you make and really there’s no way those who decided to go in can be told that they can’t complain about things. We’re all valid, every supporter (armchair or not) has a voice and can use it however they want.
    Remember, the supporters who go into the ground are NOT the enemy. They are NOT the target of our anger or vitriol. Fans who go to the match are just as entitled t be angry and upset at Carver, Ashley and the teams performances as we are. We’re all addicts together, we all crave our NUFC fix each week – hell, each day truth be told- and addicts can only kick the habit by means that work for them. Some go cold turkey, others need to know they are not alone and that others are there for them, and the rest will carry on regardless of the effects their drug has on themselves and everyone around them.
    Let’s not criticise those who can’t kick the habit and let’s show some understanding of the addiction and remember how long it took for us to give up. We’ve had years of the same old rubbish, getting out a week or two earlier doesn’t make us any better than any other fan.

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  • Ibizatoon

    Apr 20, 2015 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #20

    Magpie…”The players themselves couldn’t give a hoot. Neither should we” Is exactly where Ashley wants us, in my opinion.

    It’s not about not giving a hoot, it’s about giving enough of a hoot to do something different.

    First we unite in numbers, then we attack, from all fronts.

    Something is going to happen, it already has.

    Beermonkey…Those stories were so sad to hear, fans divided, families divided, for what? One mans refusal to be a half decent human being? It’s just not right.

    Stay quiet Ashley, it just proves you have nothing to say. The days of apathy are numbered. Time to look for a new plan.

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  • Munster Mag

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #21

    From last night ….just sums up my anger I guess…….
    I predicted about 5 matches ago that we wouldnt win a game for the rest of the seaon, or possibly pick up a point. Its really down to us or Leicester now. As I said though, im some ways it doesnt matter any more. As you know i am a life long NUFC fan, as passionate as any geordie i ever knew. But NUFC is now just a marketing tool for Ashley – it doesnt even seem like a football club any more. We have been re-branded , totally. And it could have been worse. It could have been 1-3 today at the Sports Direct Arena. Those fans who backed decisions like the stadium rename , in the name of money ( what, to buy a gouffran every year – how stupid are you ?? ) and Wonga, should hang their heads in shame. You thought you new better. You thought you knew about corporate finance and marketing and you stupidly thought the logical ones amongst us were fools. No, you were the fools. NUFC = A Marketing strategy . Not even Leeds can be called that …..

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  • Ibizatoon

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    Comment #22

    Wayaman…Well said.

    AC…Thanks for that link. Interesting read.

    “but imagine if someone, the campaigners, Ashley, the next owner, really could make Newcastle a United force? It would be some force.”

    Let’s unite people. We are a force, we are Newcastle United.

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  • Munster Mag

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #23

    Wayayman, I know we are all addicts etc, even those of us not living near Newcastle Upon Tyne. But I do think it fair to question why fans are going to games now. They wont be entertained, their season ticket money is already gone, the team wont raise a gallop. I thiunk they would have more impact by vacating their seats. Or walking out en masse. Either way, if fans start buying new season tickets ( even if we stay up, which we wont ) they need to be taken to one side and forced to wear a Mackems shirt.

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  • the broons

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #24

    Would like to reiterate my dads point that fans that went to the game yesterday but then flocked out when the third went in are the biggest hypocrites ever. Your’e not proving your’e loyal so what was the point?

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  • the broons

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #25

    you’re*

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #26

    Broon

    I agree mate, going in then leaving after 1st goal was pathetic.

    I bet there the ones who call themselves real fans and poo poo the protesters.

    What they did achieved nothing except make the fans look fickle.

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #27

    Broon

    I know you put third, but after the first went in around a thousand or more walked out.

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #28

    There was actually a steady stream of people coming out of the ground after around 20 mins.

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  • Slank

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #29

    More pathetic remarks from pundits.

    ‘If they don’t change then he’d struggle,” ‘

    Presumably so would a foreign coach who has no experience of England and the Premiership. So what do you suggest Danny ?

    ‘I am sick of owners coming in who are successful business people wherever they’ve been.” ‘

    Presumably successful people buy the clubs as they have the money unlike unsuccessful people who haven’t the money. So Jamie what do you suggest ?

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  • the broons

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #30

    OP

    I never realized that, you’re exactly right just made us looked fickle and idiotic. However the ones that went in and stayed to the end I salute as they are obviously loyal enough to put up with the rubbish for the sake of supporting the team.

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  • Sav

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #31

    Just when you thought it could not possibly get any worse…
    “I have to find a method of trying to play that might not be pretty on the eye. I need to find a way of getting some results.”
    …it seems Cardew thinks he has been serving up football that looked good…! Dear, oh dear. I don’t know about Martian footballers, but clearlyCardew is on a different planet. Perhaps, JC that’s why you keep talking out of Uranus?

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #32

    Slank

    All I could suggest is more open and honest publication of all money involved with the club for owners to declare any interest of theirs which could conflict with their running of the club, like MPs have to (which caught a lot of them out).

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  • Ibizatoon

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #33

    Slank…”“They think ‘where else can I make money? Oh a football club’.”

    That’s where I think his issue is. It’s the intention of some businessmen when buying a club. Obviously only a successful person would be in the postition to buy a club. In sport, financial aspirations should be with a view to increase sporting aspirations. There is no evidence of that at NUFC these days.

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  • Wayayman

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:22 AM

    Comment #34

    MunsterMag@20, Addicts need to find the desire to quit before anyone can help them kick the habit.

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  • Wayayman

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #35

    Also, It’s entirely possible that those who left DURING the game where on the fence about going in or joining the boycott. You really have to think more positively lads (and lasses) and hope that it was the final straw for those supporters who will now #BoycottSwansea

    This thing is gathering momentum, be patient.

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  • Wayayman

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #36

    •were not where

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  • mecannylad

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #37

    Why don’t we all just stop over analysing the situation our beloved club are in and resign ourselves to the fact that we are…… cursed.
    Have been for years upon years; and no amount of huffing or puffing will dispel this.

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  • Ibizatoon

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #38

    Those who are already on board in support of change do need to remember how tough it was to make that decision.

    My message is that we’re here, waiting with arms wide open, for our fellow fans to come join us. I’d rather it was sooner, but understand you might not be ready yet. Don’t fear us, we’re on your side.

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  • hibbit

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #39

    op / the broons nows not the time for fans to fall out nows the time to win them over it took me along time ….ashley wants us divided ………one thing i did notice caver is getting a very easy ride why ASHLEY OUT

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  • Ibizatoon

    Apr 20, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #40

    mecannylad…Well done, you just let the cat out the bag. Carver had that one lined up for this weeks loss, I mean game!

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