Newcastle’s Plight Worse Than People Realize


Newcastle are just 7 points above the drop zone, but Leicester City, Sunderland and Hull City now have a game in hand on us, and if all three win that game in hand then Newcastle would be only 4 points above the drop zone,  and we have only five games to play, and our goal difference is not exactly great.

It’s gone from -6 to -20 this year.

john carver in blue

John Carver – out of his depth

So every game we lose, we are getting ourselves into more trouble, and let’s face it, over the last six games we have looked the worst team in the Premier League, and our players have looked poor and without spirit or fight – for most of the time.

But we also think that’s because of poor coaching from John Carver and his coaching team, who simply look out of their depth and keep proving it with every successive defeat.

Newcastle are playing today like teams like Crystal Palace and West Brom were playing like before they got new experienced coaches come in, and suddenly their players and the team magically look a lot better, more organized and can suddenly score goals.

So while it’s true that John has had a threadbare squad to choose from, he’s done nothing to suggest he’s a good coach, and some of the interviews he gives are simply weird at best.

That statement about having six Cup Finals to play was ludicrous, but he seems to now realize how ironic that that was for a club who don’t prioritize the cup games in any way.

If we really did have six cup finals to play we’d lose the lot.

John talks a good game and this is what he said when asked if he thought the game against Swansea on Saturday at home was a winnable one:

“I think every game is winnable.” “We need to come up with a solution, a formula, to win the game.”  “If it means being a little bit more direct, then that’s what we’re going to have to do.”

“I have to find a method of trying to play now that might not be pretty on the eye, but I need to find a way of getting some results, getting some points.”

“People might not like what they see, but I’m going to have to do it.” “It’s probably the most difficult situation I have ever been in,” 

“But I’m a fighter, and I’m not going to shirk anything. I’ll take the stick, and I’ll take the responsibility, because that’s the type of person I am.”

“But I have just got to get on with it, because nobody else is going to do it.”

Again he puts in little compliments about himself in that second last paragraph, and that’s down to lack of experience in the job.

An option Mike Ashley has if we lose on Saturday is to bring in an experienced coach, but it’s probably too late for that now, and the hierarchy seem to have put their faith in Carver.

But the threat of relegation is starting to look more than just a very small possibility, which it was six games ago.

This may seem like a negative way of looking at where we are today with just five games to play – but it’s also a realistic one.

And that’s what worries us the most.

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32 comments so far

  • RUNAWAY777

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #1

    RUNAWAY777 // Apr 21, 2015 at 8:53 AM

    charlie well dont go crying when you watch shit trying to play football

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:06 AM

    Comment #2

    “find a method to play now, that may not be pleasing to the eyes”.

    Yea because we were playing tiki-taka football like Barcelona the last 6 games….

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #3

    Being a little more direct? I’ve seen balls blasted up to Perez already a number of times for ages.

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  • Ibizatoon

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #4

    It is realistic Ed. It is a concern. That cushion which allowed us to be arrogant and have a let’s wait and see attitude is now almost gone.

    I don’t think we will go down, but it’s going to be close. Really close if someone, somewhere, doesn’t do something.

    We waited, we saw, what next, wait some more?

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  • Ibizatoon

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:08 AM

    Comment #5

    BandB // Apr 21, 2015 at 8:38 AM

    Repost due to Ed’s morning auto scheduler

    Lil..@28 previous

    You ask the question…..

    “Is this really a good financial model?

    It is always assumed and stated that it is, because, it is said, “we are the balance book champions.”

    The question is one I hope to see taken up by others now. Who is it a good financial model for? Mash Holdings? Sports Direct? The football club known as Newcastle United?

    The latter appears further than ever from “wiping its own nose.”

    The quality of the product has been reduced to a bargain bin standard, and revenue streams have been lost or structured to benefit SD.

    We stay afloat on a whopping subsidy from TV rights, while looking less and less like the sort of team that deserves it, and the assumption, yet to be proved, that our ultimate survival would be under-written from Ashley’s pocket.

    The debt, as you say, has grown, despite the austerity measures.

    What are these record profits for? They don’t appear to serve the playing side. So what and who does the model serve?

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  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:10 AM

    Comment #6

    Runaway
    Do I criticise people that boycott the match are don’t go – NO
    It is up to the individual if they want to go to the match or not I will go and support MY team through thick and thin.

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  • Mister Tuff

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #7

    Apologies repost -Ed’s too quick again.

    Those who are still not convinced that not going to the match is the way forward, for the club, the City and the area need to make sure they watch an exposé of the way Mr Tubbs operates SD – and by association NUFC. It is on the telly this Monday night at 8pm on Channel 4 and is titled “The Secrets of Sports Direct”.
    The Dispatches team go undercover to reveal how the company operates.
    After the programme get a mirror and look in it and explain to yourself why you support a scumbag like this – if the AO group cannot convince you to stop going maybe the Dispatches team can.

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  • beermonkey

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #8

    whats the general opinion do we think carver has the job

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  • Ibizatoon

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:18 AM

    Comment #9

    Charlie..You’re right to stand for what you believe in. As we discussed yesterday, it’s a weird time to be a toon fan, no matter what your views.

    People are frustrated and it is sad to see that spill accross and see fans calling out each other, bordering on attacking them. It happens from both sides of the debate, but the key for me, is not to assume that it’s everyone that wants to attack.

    Tuff…8pm has been noted. I’ll bring the popcorn.

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  • northern mag

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:18 AM

    Comment #10

    Any bets on how many times he licked his lips in the above quote?

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  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:19 AM

    Comment #11

    Oh Ed

    I think we do realise!

    If relegation meant Ash left I’d take it. What’s on show at the moment isn’t worth supporting.
    It’s not NUFC as we know it, it’s just a commercial vehicle for one vile, odious individual. Anything else is incidental, good or mostly bad.

    More and more people finally tumbling to it. Others are just a little dim I guess and would probably still watch 11 black and white dogs.
    They are impervious to being treated like s—e.

    Only at NUFC would we wait to see if someone failed again at another club to offer him the job.

    So the thrilling choice of Carver or McLaren ( admittedly 100 times better than Carver.)

    God forbid we went for a name manager or even an up and coming one.

    We are the club who have employed JFK twice, Wise, llambias, pardew and now carver.

    Oh well at least it isn’t looking too clever for our classy sponsor either!

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  • jayphoto

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:19 AM

    Comment #12

    How can we play direct? We have no aerial threat up front. Perez rarely wins a header! Carver has no clue! Hes going off times robson or pardew went direct and won but robson had shearer and pardew did it with Ba and Ameobi. You need the personnel. The style alone doesn’t get you a win!

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  • Average_Contents

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #13

    Oh johnny boy, please stop it.

    People don’t like what they see now. We already play direct. Shite direct. The problem being that the player it’s hoofed up to is only 5″ fcukall.

    This statement coupled with yesterday’s tit bit regarding closing down, applying pressure and working hard but then calling that ugly (the fundamentals of football) really is the icing upon the shit cake.

    He really is clueless isn’t he. From a bygone era. The land that time forgot.

    Idiot.

    Hwtf

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  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:21 AM

    Comment #15

    Ibiza
    Cheers

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  • Toon-Prodigy

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:21 AM

    Comment #16

    Aye, I think Carver has the job.

    Ashley will spend some money and give him until January atleast. This saves him shelling out on a new coach and saves £££.

    These poor performances will go down to injuries and suspensions which is fair enough I suppose because the squad is decimated once again. But there is no way I don’t think Ashley will jump in the summer before giving his freebee a go first to try amd save him some money.

    I’v been hearing rumours about Carver for 6 weeks now.

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  • one fine day

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:23 AM

    Comment #17

    Jayphoto,
    we have the personnel … just lump it up to willo 🙂 ala every dead ball for the last 4 years.

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  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:23 AM

    Comment #18

    Very good post by LR32 giving his reasons for supporting a boycott. I have a lot of sympathy with it. He wants the club to wake up and stop shooting itself in the foot time after time.

    I, however, see it like Charlie. I’ll not boycott. Nothing wrong with protesting but boycotting is different. When the club was in the old second division and we were shit, I still went. I go for the team on the day not for the owner. I’m not really sure what modern fans are in it for? The song goes “where were you when you were shit?” Everyone understands the taunt. Will the current boycotters be there in division 1 when Ashley’s gone?

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:24 AM

    Comment #19

    Carvers has the job?

    I’m getting back in bed and getting out the other side.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:25 AM

    Comment #20

    beer

    if carver gets the job i think charlie will be practically on his own on the terraces.

    just can not fathom any reasoning behind it. i know, our product is rubbish, so let’s appoint someone who will create an even bigger disconnect from the fans.

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  • lochinvar

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:26 AM

    Comment #21

    earlier I mentioned that Wonga had written off £220 million in bad debts – in fact they wrote off £220million in loans !! Thats even worse business incompetence. Inept and worth a Government enquiry.
    NUFC should cancel their sponsorship immediately as clearly Wonga are not fit for anything. Go get a new sponsor – but preferably a world class brand that treats its workers and customers well. Suggestions on a postcard please to NUFC.

    Todays news:
    Short-term lender Wonga made a pre-tax loss of £37.3m in 2014 amid a major overhaul of the controversial company and writes off £220million in bad debts. Class act then.

    Sports Direct increase revenue (or profits ? ) by 15% selling utter garbage made in sweat shops serviced by zero hours staff.

    Does that make Ashley a ” loss leader ” and Carver a ” lost leader”

    Pity this wasn’t “etch a sketch” world and we could wipe the slate and start again.

    Everything Ashley touches at the Club is destructive – he’s a weapon of mass destruction in his own right as far as NUFC is concerned.

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  • Mister Tuff

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:26 AM

    Comment #22

    Morning – Ibiza – I’m looking forward to the programme this Monday. Its just over five years since the BBC did a programme about SD. I did think a follow up was due. Non of the papers looked into the way how Mr Tubbs operates. The Beeb went undercover to expose his sweatshops in Laos where folk were paid ,it was either a pound or a dollar, for a 12 hour shift.
    I suspect if Dispatches are investigating you it is not going to be a complimentary report.

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  • whatsup

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:28 AM

    Comment #23

    Couple of weeks ago he said he wants us to play like the entertainers! That changed quick.

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  • lochinvar

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:28 AM

    Comment #24

    Ed – realise not realize.
    We have standards here you know !
    Hope you and yours are well.
    You may have noticed that NUFC is ill.

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  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:39 AM

    Comment #25

    I’ve said it from the off. The best way to damage Ashley is through SD. Join with Rangers fans to boycott and protest outside his shops not boycott our teams. Why aren’t you doing this?

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  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:42 AM

    Comment #26

    There’s sure to be some impetus on the back of this tv expose.

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  • goody158

    Apr 21, 2015 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #27

    I’m all for supporting NUFC through thick and thin, but at the moment it’s not NUFC. It’s Sports Direct FC. The club I fell in love with does no longer exsist. The fat parasite has torn the soul out of the club and the city. The whole thing is rotten to the core!

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  • Brazilianbob

    Apr 21, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #28

    Lochinvar

    Realise is the American spelling. Realize is the English spelling. Check the Oxford English dictionary.

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  • Sav

    Apr 21, 2015 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #29

    Despite saying he’ll take responsibility, he’ll take the stick etc.,Carver has yet to blame himself for one crushing defeat since he took over. At the same time, he has singled out players, blamed foreigners, lack of experience, lack of character, and poor work-rate. None of these, he thinks, are anything to do with him. It is never team selection, inadequate coaching, misjudged tactics or lack of motivation by him or his lieutenants.

    Carver didn’t learn any of that from Sir Bobby. He is looking smaller and smaller as each week goes by and if he takes us down I expect he’ll still be maintaining he did his best.
    Funny how (along with Moncur and FFS) he can expect the fans to forget their grievances and their boycott to rally round the players while at the same time he can allow a bust up with Jonas to deprive his side of last week’s Man of the Match. They say pride comes before a fall. But I can’t find much for JC to be proud about.

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  • Jamesnufc94

    Apr 21, 2015 at 11:51 AM

    Comment #30

    Your not a fighter carver your clueless.

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  • MidlandsMag

    Apr 21, 2015 at 12:19 PM

    Comment #31

    BrazilianBob@28

    Other way round actually.

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  • Moonraker15

    Apr 21, 2015 at 1:19 PM

    Comment #32

    Given the choice between Ashley as he is atm or relegation with him gone, I’ll take the latter! This was unthinkable last summer when he made those signings but now the club is not worth supporting because they don’t value success and there is no feeling like a Toon win and the anticipation of the next game and the next. Now, what is the point? To make the owner richer!!??

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