Carver And Shearer’s Radically Different Views On Players


It’s interesting some of the comments that came from John Carver yesterday after the game, there was the usual bravado about fighting on to the end and all that stuff, but John also thinks hie players gave him everything yesterday.

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John Carver yesterday

That’s almost the exact opposite of what Alan Shearer thought about the Newcastle players against Swansea, and Alan has blasted the players as not seeming to care one little bit.

This is what John Carver told the BBC after the game:

“I said before the game talk is cheap. It’s time for action and I saw some of it today but I need to see more. That is the starting point.”

“We shot ourselves in the foot again. I think they gave everything today.” “I don’t think they can give any more. Sometimes it’s not good enough and we all know that, but at last they are having a go.”

“We knew three or four weeks ago we were in a bit of a fight and we certainly are now after some of the results today. We don’t have to worry about other people, we just have to take care of our own business.”

“We are coming down to the nitty gritty. We need to shape up and get something from them.”

If the Newcastle players cannot give any more than they gave yesterday, then we are definitely in trouble – big trouble.

And we don’t want to be too hard on John, he’s taken a mountain of criticism already this year, and we know he’s doing his very best, but a coach’s job is to get the very best out of his players – whatever the situation.

So if we don’t bring in some help for John Newcastle could lose the last four games of the season, and that would probably mean we drop down to the Championship.

We hope the powers that be are looking at the situation behind the scenes and talking to Carver, and wont just hope for the best in the final four games coming up.

But they may do just that, and hope for one win in those final four games to get us to safety.

That could turn out to be another huge mistake.

Comments welcome.



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143 comments so far

  • Ron Knee

    Apr 26, 2015 at 9:42 AM

    Comment #1

    jesper
    I imagine they’re gambling on Cissé to turn round our fortunes in the last three games. Beyond naïve with that defence!

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  • BandB

    Apr 26, 2015 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #2

    Where was Mr “Balls of Steel” yesterday?
    He left Charnley to squirm.
    If ever there was a clear insight into the “me first” style of the real “Iron Mike” it was yesterday.
    On the Titanic he’d have been waving his wad at the crew and demanding a place on the lifeboats, elbowing and shoving the women and kids out of his way.
    The only thing we can expect from him is that he’ll save his own skin.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Apr 26, 2015 at 9:49 AM

    Comment #3

    Ron/hibbit…the club is it’s own worse enemy! We need to stop champion these less than average managers Ashley throw our way because he think he can get away with it!

    Look at Carver – he actually think he is good enough and that he is doing no wrong, just like Pardew. And we sympathy with them and only blame Ashley.

    These opportunists would take us down if it meant them keeping the job. They are in it for selfish reasons only and at the expense of us. They know this and they do it anyway.

    Many things are Ashley’s fault, but we need to address this with the same manner we adress our owner.

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  • Obertan's better than Messi

    Apr 26, 2015 at 9:51 AM

    Comment #4

    Cheap players, cheap manager … who’s that surprised?

    I’ll take the relegation, get rid of Ashley.
    We will storm back into the EPL on a wave of passion.

    HWTF

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Apr 26, 2015 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #5

    we need cisse back to bail us out of this predicament. to score some unpredictable goal to clinch the game. he has been a huge huge miss for us.

    on another note, we have a hooligan and thug in charge. Carver should not be anywhere near Newcastle with his attitude and character.

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  • Ron Knee

    Apr 26, 2015 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #6

    BandB
    Charnley looked like a man ‘not waving, but drowning’.

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  • hibbit

    Apr 26, 2015 at 9:53 AM

    Comment #7

    when man u had a bad game under saf he used to make them watch it on monday morning then again on a monday afternoon …..andy cole after dinner speech story……. maybe carver needs to take off the rose coloured glasses and watch the game again to see just how bad we are

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  • croftus5678

    Apr 26, 2015 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #8

    oh dear ! carver seems to have given our team the mentality that every team we play is better than us and that we need luck in order to get points !

    not a good way to go as they will act like lower league players !

    we are the same team that should be in the top 8 lets not forget that carver !!!! and we should easily be beating our next few teams even if we have 11 of our squad players remaining ! atleast pards had them believing they was good enough even if mostly he was talking rubbish ! you have them believing we are going down >.<

    motivate your team carver dont put them down leave that till the seasons finished.

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  • hibbit

    Apr 26, 2015 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #9

    croftus they are thats the problem

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  • Graeme

    Apr 26, 2015 at 9:56 AM

    Comment #10
  • Munster Mag

    Apr 26, 2015 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #11

    Get harry redknapp in for a reaction and the win we need. Tbh i dont think we will get more than one point so its up to other teams now. Thats why i reckon yesterday was our relegation day. Leicester will be fine. Only sunderland or hull can save us .

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  • joeinthecheapseats

    Apr 26, 2015 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #12

    Surely Carver should be replaced as soon as possible.
    Tactics yesterday replace like for like players and why wait so long to bring on De Jong
    Just can’t rely on other teams losing all the time and listening to Carvers bluster week after week.
    Why not pay some big name manager for 4 weeks to stop the rot.

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  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #13

    YESTERDAY WAS A SAD DAY
    The day Newcastle United were relegated as I cannot see us picking up another point with the spineless gutless players we have at our disposal along with a totally inept manager and coaching staff.

    What’s Carver on about ‘we couldn’t give anymore’ Bollocks
    This is the way I saw it…

    Players couldn’t be bothered, fans couldn’t be bothered even the protest was half hearted.
    The whole place STINKS !!!! of despair
    As for the football Carver has to go along with all the back room staff and coaches right down to the junior teams and a new ethos of passing and moving to grow throughout the club.
    As for the minute Carver and the rest of the coaches ain’t got a clue.
    Take yesterday – set the team up to play narrow, dispensed with wingers. Hoofed the ball long to Perez (for F**K’s sake give the lad a chance.

    Only players that looked half decent yesterday… Perez, Riviere (had a good first half) Janmaatt and Ding Dong when he eventually came on.

    rest waste of space

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  • Ron Knee

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    Comment #14

    joe@12
    They’re like rabbits caught in the headlights. They are incapable of action until Fatso tells them to do something!

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  • Obertan's better than Messi

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #15

    Graeme,

    That is really petty.
    I hate Ashley’s NUFC it really is a scummy regime.

    Shame on the steward(s) for “Only Following Orders”.

    #ASHLEYOUT
    #GESTAPO

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  • mecannylad

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #16

    Ashley is of course our ‘Ace of Clubs’ on the NUFC fan’s most wanted list.
    However top men in whatever walk of life are well protected and if they want to live a low profile life then they create the means to be that way.
    Our ‘King of Clubs’ (Charnley) is a little different nevertheless. Although he is believing in his own hype and is endeavouring to copy the Ace of Spades style of visibility, he hasn’t got the means (nor the balls I guess.)
    For God’s sake all you journos ….. get Charnley….. surely there must be no hiding place for this squirming, over- promoted shit-bag.

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #17

    The buck start and stops with Ashley.

    Charnley and Carver are in positions they’ll never likely achieve at any other club, is it any wonder they’ll do or say anything to stay in that position?

    It’s all well and good saying why aren’t we targeting players the coach etc but shaking a few dead leaves off the tree won’t kill the root infection.

    The cheap half arsed effort to put out a sub standard product all stems from Ashley, the lack of care or Intrest filters down from Ashley the complete lack of professionalism stems from Ashley.

    It’s obvious looking at JC he takes any critisism personally and looks like he’d cut his nose off to spite his face a bit like the owner. The more we push carver the more he’ll see it as a challenge to prove us wrong, he doesn’t have the brains to realise he’s making things worse.

    IMO Ashley is and should remain the no1 target, if his staff get caught in the cross fire fair enough. No need to target them once the puppeteer is ran out of town his puppets will be gone with him.

    Shape up or ship out slug!

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  • hibbit

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #18

    ron they all have long contracts that have them by the nuts to much to loose ashley has tight grip

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  • hibbit

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #19

    mecannylad charnley now has a minder

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  • BandB

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #20

    Can anyone with Twitter please retweet Graeme’s photo above. It deserves to be seen.

    A small piece of paper in the hands of children. What kind of risk to order and safety was that? Are children now a threat to the regime?

    King Herod would have blushed.

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  • Ron Knee

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #21

    hibbit
    You’re right. What ‘normal’ club would ever want to employ Charnley and Carver?

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  • hibbit

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #22

    i dont agree with blackley on much but the local press are sitting on the fence with there heads in the sand

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  • Ibizatoon

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #23

    Re-tweeted

    No you won’t fool the children of the revolution….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpVqWS-cUKc&spfreload=10

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  • Obertan's better than Messi

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #24

    Darren Huckerby just Tweeted …

    “Shearer, Ferdinand, Cole, Beardsley, Kluivert , Bellemy, Ferguson, Owen, Ginola , Asprilla

    What the hell has happened to Newcastle United ?”

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  • Obertan's better than Messi

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #25

    ASHLEY happened.

    Anyone still not with this boycott protest?

    It really is time.

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #26

    The picture with the steward.

    It looks like she’s taking paper aeroplanes off them.

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  • mecannylad

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM

    Comment #27

    The Evening Chronicle in my view are beginning to betray it’s readership …. the community it relies on for its very existence.
    My message to the Editor in Chief is simple.
    Sod the cronyism with NUFC which you currently foster,,,, get your lawyers and journalists around the table tomorrow and go for the bloody jugular at St James.
    You are indebted to the community. Just do it.

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  • Graeme

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #28

    OP – taking paper planes could, possibly, be construed as “elf n safety” protecting against possible eye injuries!! Confiscating the “RED CARDS” in the other hand, is Gestapo Tactics!!

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  • Ron Knee

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #29
  • hibbit

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #30

    mecannylad the chronicle depend on the north east if the readership falls even for one week there will be a lot of questions to answer from above MTG

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  • BandB

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #31

    OP,

    Most on the paper is in the steward’s hand, and appears to have been rolled or crumpled.
    Despite the angle of the photo, the piece of paper in the boy’s hand appears to be unfolded.

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  • LGFUAD21

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #32

    I seriously worry if we go down.

    The championship is a very tough league to get out of and we will loose more players this time.

    Krul
    De Jong
    Janmaat
    Sissoko
    Cabella
    Perez
    Cisse

    These will all be gone if we go down.

    That January gamble sure looks to be paying off doesn’t it ashley. Oh and the lack of a manager because “we didn’t expect Pardew to leave”. That excuse wouldn’t cut it in the business world.

    One word “contingency”

    A smart club in our position (mid table mediocrity) would at least be constantly identifying players most likely to leave and will plan to replace before they have to.

    Moyes had a constantly evolving list at Everton and always had a replacement earmarked for when players left.

    I REFUSE to believe that Ashley and co are blind to their failings and they must do something big in the summer.

    How any of the sports direct shareholders can have any faith in Mike Ashley to run that business after seeing his gross mismanagement of this “business” is beyond me.

    Even if Red Bull came in right now and said “we’ll buy the club but it has to be renamed Newcastle Red Bulls and play at the Red Bull Arena” the very said thing is I would probably accept that over Jabba the Huts regime.

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  • beermonkey

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #33

    only really saw motd last night
    how was riviere over all it was a nice ball for perez goal

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #34

    I’m just pointing out what it looks like to me, the club will say the lads where throwing paper aeroplanes or darts.

    We all know how they operate.

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  • dazzler

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #35

    to be fair mark Douglas (is that right? the editor?) has been coming out on social media and speaking his mind. he made a comment last night that could see him banned, since they were banned for less previously. the issue is and will always be Ryder. He’s less a fence sitter and more of an accomplice to it all lately.

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  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #36

    beermonkey
    Riviere had a decent first half links up well with Perez, keeper pulled off decent save from header. Tired second half but who wouldn’t chasing aimless punts up field and mis-passes. I would start him and Perez for Leicester game and bring on Ding Dong second half who looked a bit of class but he again needs match time but without overloading him and ths being out injured.

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #37

    Whoever took the pic should have took video and asked why they where taking them.

    This is the reason I suggested t shirts, they can’t make you strip.

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  • beermonkey

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #38

    Charlie

    cheers
    I think carver will take a pardew risk and start sdj next game

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  • andrew84

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #39

    You might have sympathy for Carver, Ed, but I for one certainly don’t.

    If he’s trying his best then it’s clear that his best is nowhere near good enough. Yet he still wants the job? What a ‘fan’ he is, help to destroy the team just so he can have a crack at the big time.

    He should be standing aside and going back to his ordinary coaching role as soon as possible.

    And talk certainly is cheap, but if that’s the case why doesn’t he keep it zipped and get on with motivating the players? The man is so out of his depth he’s a joke. Does anyone take him seriously? Sorry, I meant apart from you Ed.

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  • geordieviking

    Apr 26, 2015 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #40

    Roonie Moore at Hartlepool has worked a miracle to keep them in the league after that trailed by miles at Xmas. Maybe we could borrow him til the end of the season 🙂

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