Carver’s Statements Are Worrying, Conflicted And Confused


After the game on Saturday, when Newcastle basically gave up the ghost in that second half, John Carver said after the game that his players have given everything – but most fans would not agree with that one little bit

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John Carver – conflicted and confused

And since Saturday’s debacle former players like Alan Shearer, Mick Quinn and Nobby Solano amongst others, have basically said the players are nothing less than a disgrace to the club and a bunch of wimps.

This is the crux of what John said on Saturday after the game:

“The one thing I will say about this group of people in there is that they’re giving everything – I don’t think they can give any more.”

“Sometimes it isn’t good enough – we all know that – but at least they’re having a go and they never give in,” 

We’ve noticed with John Carver that he always wants to be positive – and he is – but he’s also not realistic with his comments to the press.

John is often conflicted on what to say, and it’s obvious that on the one hand he’s trying to say the right things for Mike Ashley and Lee Charnley’s consumption – and on the other hand he wants to say things that please the fans.

So he has said some crazy things – like we can still finish 10th, he is still in with a chance of the head coach  job after seven successive defeats, he is courageous and brave and will not give up the fight – but he still needs protection from the verbal abuse of fans.

And we could go on.

The latest comment after Saturday was his players gave everything – when it’s obvious to everybody watching that game they basically gave up in the second half.

But if they are not giving their all, then what does that say about John’s coaching abilities – so instead he says they gave everything – which they didn’t.

If that was our players giving their everything in the second half on Saturday we are completely doomed this season and will lose our last four games.

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19 comments so far

  • Toon Tang

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #1

    There are no comments yet … please kick things off by filling out the form below.

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  • spitfire_

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #2

    This guy could work with SBR, but obviously his mentor is pardew. His interviews are identical with pardew’s.

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  • Toon Tang

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:06 AM

    Comment #3

    So basically Carvers saying don’t expect anything more for the rest of the season with “I don’t think they can give any more”

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:08 AM

    Comment #4

    Ibiza,
    There are lots of theories, but I just don’t see it happening. if we go down.

    Fan ownership is interesting but it would be virtually impossible to implement now at the top level. I’ve seen assorts mentioned in the Government manifestos about implementing it, but who is going to give the owners of Man U and City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Newcastle the hundreds of millions required to buy a sizeable share of the company from them? Will government cough up? No chance, so it is totally unrealistic.

    I’d love it to be resolved so that we can get our club back to being something that has a connection with the city and people, something to have pride in but that is a long hard battle against Ashley, with no guarantee of success. A brand new club starting from scratch is the very very last alternative, but I would have no hesitation if the club continues to exist as nothing more than an advertising vehicle for cheap tat and mediocrity.

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  • Laurent Robert 32

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:08 AM

    Comment #5

    Organisation and understanding is required as a team. If players are enjoying their football, their work ethic will naturally increase. For years there has been no satisfactory coaching ‘style’ other than hang on and nick something.

    The players are lost as a team, and they’re being outplayed by the opposition. Effort alone doesn’t mean the team will function effectively.

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  • Toon Tang

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #6

    If the players are at their full output and we’ve lost 7 on the spin there is no hope for them eh

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:10 AM

    Comment #7

    Funny Carver never mentions that it was actually Ruud Gullit who picked him out of the academy structure. He was assistant to Gullit for a little bit.

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  • mecannylad

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:12 AM

    Comment #8

    Don’t expect any meaningful feedback coming from the two lads when they meet up with Carver on Friday.
    They will (unwittingly) have to sign a small print confidentiality agreement as part of the visitor’s process into accessing Darsley Park…. and if they ‘spout off’ then their season tickets will be cancelled by the club.

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  • Ciaran

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:12 AM

    Comment #9

    Ibiza from previous thread:

    I wholeheartedly, 100% agree with you that while of course every fan wants to see their club playing at the highest level of domestic football, that is not what should define it.

    We have fans who are so terrified of us losing our PL status that they think we should stop protesting in order to protect it. However, as you say, we’re not in the game of competing in this league, so who exactly does our PL status benefit? Is it the club as a whole? The fans? Or does our PL status serve to benefit one man and one man only?

    Also, if these fans who so desperately want us to retain our PL status take a few steps back, they would see that it is MA and MA alone who is responsible for the set of circumstances which sees our PL status threatened in the first place!

    Unshackle yourselves from the fear of dropping through the divisions folks and you will be liberated as a result!

    1 more win won’t cure us of what ails us. Our PL status won’t cure us of what ails us. Sacking Carver, Charnely, Carr, Irving won’t cure us either! Only the removal of Mike Ashley will see new life breathed into our club again.

    People who think all this negative publicity doesn’t bother him haven’t been paying attention. He’s rattled, so let’s keep rattling!

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  • Ibizatoon

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #10

    Lil…I appreciate you’re probably a lot better read than myself on the subject. I am a big believer though that anything is possible, if enough people want it and are willing to work for it.

    It all comes down to what we actually want, in my opinion.

    Where there is a will, there is a way.

    On relegation, I do agree, if a plan can be put in place to help him out of the club, OL status would likely help that. Not sure relegation would mean we can’t get him out though. As I said, in any business, at some stage, you do have to cut your losses.

    If he asset strips and brings the club down to it’s bare bones, are we any worse off than starting a new club?

    The future is messy because of Ashley, so I do believe we’ll all have to get our hands a little dirty in order to get it back. It wont be easy,but then neither is watching this week in, week out 🙂

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  • Ciaran

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #11

    Also, a believe an FC Newcastle was mooted a few years ago but it never got off the ground. I’m sure MacToon may know more about it as I’ve only heard snippets, however, the general mood is different today so who knows?

    However, given that there is quite a vibrant non-league scene in the North East, I’m not sure how likely a non-league NUFC would be. Definitely an interesting concept though, and one that should be kept under consideration.

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  • the broons

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #12

    The way this football club is currently in, i generally feel like supporters of football teams like Leeds and so on are probably laughing at us and thinking, “thank god were not Newcastle fans right now”. Seriously am disgusted by it all.

    However on a brighter note did many get to watch the dispatches programme last night? Why doesn’t he employ our players on a zero hours contract, would be much easier in getting rid. Also imagine if that 6 strikes you’re out rule applied. We wouldn’t have anyone left at the club. Joke! simple as

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  • Ibizatoon

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #13

    Ciaran..It is quite clear that Ashley isn’t untouchable or doesn’t care what anyone says. The current damage control would not be at play if that were the case.

    It’s naive to think they’re not worried or that we can’t do anything. I am glad more and more people are realising it.

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:22 AM

    Comment #14

    I agree with a lot lg and ibiza are saying on our pl status and if needs be start over.

    If you want something you only need two things, energy and persistence.

    I’m going to be like a dog with a bone when it comes to getting the slug out!

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  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:25 AM

    Comment #15

    i think it’s fairly obvious the players do the absolute bare minimum for carver. Shearer called it right and carver’s excuses are getting worse and more bizarre than pardew’s.

    They clearly do not put the effort in, maybe perez and abeid aside. Long ball hoofs to perez as the only game plan would have sbr turning in his grave and 2 of swansea’s goals were nothing to do with the set plays we can’t defend.

    JC’s managerial win % record at Leeds United, Toronto FC, Sheffield United and Newcastle United wouldn’t get him a job at an ambitious conference team.

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:25 AM

    Comment #16

    The fans have the perfect opportunity to harass the slug at the minute.

    All eyes are on him and us, we need to ride this wave and increase the pressure.

    No retreat no surrender

    HWTF

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  • Average_Contents

    Apr 28, 2015 at 9:35 AM

    Comment #17

    I’m sure it’s been said before so if it has apologies (haven’t checked the previous comments yet)

    Only an hour after the documentary about SD is aired the club issues a statement in regards to the £3.4m in income SD derives from NUFC merchandise saying its not true then say they will issue another statement tomorrow (today) not a bad word can be spoken about our beloved leader and his shops of shite and how he’s taking us for a ride.

    (FYI, the £3.4m has been previously discussed and is/was common knowledge) but now it’s on TV it seems to of hit home to some. Shock and awe. What did you expect from a lowlife scumbag anyway.

    Yet it takes them the best part of a week to respond to their OWN fans concerns regarding the direction of the club?

    Two statements in less than 24hrs? We’ve had ONE in three fcuking months!!!!

    Talk about not actually giving a shit.

    If that’s not proof enough that he couldn’t give two flying fcuks about the club and it’s fans and he’s only interested in shite defect then what the fcuk is?

    I haven’t watched the documentary yet but it’s recorded on my planner. I’ll have a gander before I get my head down.

    Hwtf

    AshleyOut

    Fat Fcuking twat.

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  • nufc 11

    Apr 28, 2015 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #18

    How does it get to the stage of a clear out thats needed? Simple the Owner, the MD, the manager, coaches and the club captain and the way they let things opperate around the place, windows come and go with no players bought, a club secretary as MD, incompedent managers and coaches, poor tactics, and a poor past his sell by date leader of men that prob cant speak english as the captain, it creates chaos no is accountable only the club accountant.

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  • WLtoon

    Apr 28, 2015 at 2:28 PM

    Comment #19

    I tnink we will stay up by the skin of our teeth only bcos i cant see Hull or the Mackems winning 2 of their remaining games.
    I do think tho, that we wil go down next season if Fatty does,nt have a huge change in attitude on how to run the club.
    Anyone buying a season ticket next season is buying into Ashleys idea, so when the shit hits the fan i dont think you should complain.

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