Hull had their second win in a row tonight after winning 2-0 at Crystal Palace on Saturday when they won 1-0 with a goal from Michael Dawson after 37 minutes and since they have a much better goal difference than us – if they don’t lose at home to Arsenal next Monday night and we lose at Leicester City on Saturday they will move above us in the league table.
Michael Dawson scores tonight to win the game for Hull
So the perfect storm is still forming that could yet see Newcastle relegated – and tomorrow Leicester City – who are on a four game winning streak – entertain Chelsea, and if they manage to win that game – they too will b one point behind us with a better goal difference.
So it’s not looking all that good for Newcastle these days, and we need to get some points from our last four games of the season, but where they will come form – we don’t know.
And it could be a huge risk to leave the team in the hands of John Carver, who has failed to get a point in the last seven games, and has lost seven of the last eight games.
Comments welcome.
147 comments so far
Lindisfarne
Apr 29, 2015 at 12:19 AM
Comment #81http://www.kickoff.co.uk/teams/newcastle-united/2014/results/
Great little tool (I think it was provided by Jail 4A. Ta) click on the teams to see their fixtures and results.
JC away record against the teams below NUFC is one loss and one draw with two away matches to go. He has to stem the tide of losses.
If Hull win at home to Burnley they will finish on 37 points.
Villa also play Burnley at home and could finish on 35 points and only need two extra goals to have a better goal difference.
If Leicester beat us and get at least a single point from the two teams below, they have a far better goal difference.
Which means it is up to Sunderland NOT to get two unexpected wins from their last five games. Making us safe.
Toon-Prodigy
Apr 29, 2015 at 12:21 AM
Comment #82Some cracking goals in that game with Barca. Some football team that.
On this relegation, I don’t think he would leave, I think he may stick it out and get us back up so the club will be worth more. I think we were only worth about 80m in the championship. He could always leave aswell like.
Lindisfarne
Apr 29, 2015 at 12:23 AM
Comment #83Black and Broon
Are you standing for UKIP?
jimmysmith
Apr 29, 2015 at 12:27 AM
Comment #84Jeff has made what has been seen to be the odd homophobic and racist remark, and been taken to task over it, as it should be.
Blackley and Brownlie
Apr 29, 2015 at 12:27 AM
Comment #85Brutoon
If we go down I can see us sinking like a stone. League one and why not?
What’s Ashley going to do? Pull the plug is a good possibility. Asset strip. Which buyer is going to want a loss making club, which is what we’ll become.
He might bankroll us again? Shouldn’t think so. But he might.
Or he might stay for the next 20 years and enjoy keeping us in a state of torpor.
The best hope is for us to tick along in the top flight until someone decides they want to buy a football club. But I won’t hold my breath.
Blackley and Brownlie
Apr 29, 2015 at 12:35 AM
Comment #86Lindisfarne
I’ve been a traditional labour voter. But I’m so cynical of politics these days that I can’t bring myself to vote for them. The big three need a kick up the r’s. I like the cut of Farage who wins the immigration argument hands down. However, if I vote, I’ll probably vote green because of their environmental concerns which are most important. The trouble with them is Natalie Bennett and their other policies.
I know it’s not football but I get pilloried on here when I accidentally overlook someone’s question.
Alternative Headline
Apr 29, 2015 at 12:35 AM
Comment #87The findings of the recent S***s D****t expose come as no real shock but the appalling conditions and regime Ashley forces on his UK workforce just reminded me what an exploitative vile man he is. And to what end? To add some more money to his billions ? Or does he get some malicious enjoyment in getting one over on those who have crossed his path or wouldn’t give him entry to the big boys club? I will never understand human beings like this and having supported Newcastle for over 30 years I want nothing to do with this man. I don’t really care if we get relegated.
Alternative Headline
Apr 29, 2015 at 12:36 AM
Comment #88oh and there’s Wonga too.
Lindisfarne
Apr 29, 2015 at 12:47 AM
Comment #89Can we have them all?
http://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2015/apr/28/six-young-championship-players-who-could-attract-premier-league-suitors
Lindisfarne
Apr 29, 2015 at 12:52 AM
Comment #90It was a comment that did not need a response as i was in jest at your continued suggest about who is the better supporter. May I suggest we are all human and until you can magically stand in the shoes of other people then do not be so judgmental.
Lindisfarne
Apr 29, 2015 at 12:52 AM
Comment #91# suggestion
Blackley and Brownlie
Apr 29, 2015 at 1:02 AM
Comment #92Lindisfarne
I believe those who continue to support the club home and away are the best supporters. They always have been. Long before Ashley. I say they’re much better supporters than I am. You consider yourself as equally as good as them. That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. As long as those supporters continue to follow the club through thick and thin and get criticised by armchair supporters for doing it I’ll stick up them.
Why do you consider you’re as good a supporter as those fans who travel home and away? Why do you criticise me when I say they’re better supporters than I am?
Mister Tuff
Apr 29, 2015 at 1:03 AM
Comment #93AO Open letter to NUFC.
Dear Wendy (an open letter to Wendy Taylor, NUFC Head of Media)
28/04/2015
Dear Ms Taylor,
AshleyOut.com note with interest the statements released by Newcastle United Football Club yesterday evening and earlier today in response to Channel 4’s Dispatches programme titled “The Secrets of Sports Direct” that was broadcast yesterday at 8pm.
Firstly we would like to applaud the club’s ability to react with urgency and determination when it considers its dignity as a proud institution under threat. That said, we do consider it remarkable that a slight inaccuracy about Sports Direct’s relationship with the club has brought about this resolve, and not the fact that thousands of the club’s fans are turning their backs to the club in disgust. Or the fact that the decision to weaken the squad and not appoint a proper manager leaves the club on the brink of another relegation. Or even the fact that its chosen “interim” manager has hurled abuse at the club’s fans for the second time this season.
Of particular interest in the Club’s statement was that “in the Club’s view, the broadcaster deliberately misled Newcastle United supporters and provided yet another example of erroneous media reporting which only serves to further antagonise fans”. A rather ironic stance coming from the current administration at the club, considering they have previously admitted in the Premier League Manager’s Arbitration Tribunal that they had “repeatedly and intentionally misled the press, public and the fans of Newcastle United”.
We regret not contacting the club prior to the launch of our website to allow it to comment on its contents, but we realise it is better late than never and we certainly would not want any information on our website to be “wholly inaccurate”. To avoid falling foul of the thorough scrutiny the club seemingly applies in its public relations, we have to date published 37 articles on our website AshleyOut.com and we assure you we have earnestly endeavoured to ensure all articles are factually correct with sources referenced where applicable. In the spirit of your club statement we appreciate that “Newcastle United would like to clarify the facts for the benefit of supporters”, such as:
the fact that the club’s debt has almost doubled since Mike Ashley’s takeover
the fact that the club’s commercial and matchday revenue has declined since Mike Ashley’s takeover, staggeringly countering the trend of other Premier League clubs
the fact that on average since Mike Ashley’s takeover the club has lost five league positions
the fact that in the 13 years before Mike Ashley’s takeover Newcastle United played in Europe no less than 9 times (3CL, 6 Uefa/CWC) whereas since it has qualified for Europe only once
the fact that in the 13 years before Mike Ashley’s takeover Newcastle United reached the last 8 of domestic cup competitions no less than 11 times (2 finals, 2 SF, 7 QF), whereas since it has reached beyond the fourth round only once and many more
AshleyOut.com hereby offers you an invite to provide comment on the published articles on our website so that we may rectify any factual inaccuracies as long as accurate information is provided to counter any errors.
Should we not receive a response within 7 days of the date of this correspondence we will assume that all content on our website is 100% factually correct to the satisfaction of Newcastle United Football Club.
Yours sincerely,
AshleyOut.com
ITUNDERASHELL
Apr 29, 2015 at 1:23 AM
Comment #94Don’t buy a season ticket when renewal is due, that will wipe the smile of his face. Frankly l think you would be insane if you did.
If these jokers manage the near impossible and relegate our club, Blyth, Gateshead or Bedlington Terriers will welcome us with open arms.
l am agog at the ineptitude, it is a mirror image of his tat shop, zero contracts. Funny thing is l don’t give a flighing f××k anymore.
Magpie Season
Apr 29, 2015 at 1:27 AM
Comment #95@86:
I don’t think you can compare supporters that way. Every supporter of NUFC wants the best for the club. We support the club to the best of our ability & personal circumstances.
It’s like having a child. You support them no matter what. If they behave badly or make poor decisions, you discipline them. A lack of discipline does not mean you are a lesser parent than those who do not. The opposite moreso. With the club, it needs dicipline, from the supporters, as it has behaved badly by being deceptive & lack of effort on the pitch & in the transfer market. It does not abate our love for the club if we critcise it during this period & protest. Those that will still support them when it’s blatant to see the troubles going on, players showing lack of effort on the pitch, Carver’s antics, is all fine & dandy but does not make they ‘better’ supporters.
Magpie Season
Apr 29, 2015 at 1:31 AM
Comment #96The clubs in relegation trouble usually pick up form as they have this new found purpose when the reality of relegation sets in. You can see their vigour on the pitch. It happens every season, with Wigan, Sunderland last year, Leicester this.
I am hoping Leciester beat Chelsea tonight, then the reality of relegation will be as transparent as ever. Hopefully this will create a new-found drive & motivation for the players, many of which are/were in internationals, to steer the club away from it. As we are not there yet, just 1 match away, they still have a lackadaisical approach. So I’m hoping tonight Chelsea lose.
Lindisfarne
Apr 29, 2015 at 1:32 AM
Comment #97Black and Broon
I do not suggest that I am a better supporter or wish to express who is and who isn’t, that is my point. Your opinion does not continually need to be expressed on this point as it is argumentative, divisive and unnecessary.
Toon Tang
Apr 29, 2015 at 1:33 AM
Comment #98A warm vibratey feeling all through me gutty wuts reading that Wigan have dropped down another division.
Pahahahahahahahahah…
Magpie Season
Apr 29, 2015 at 1:35 AM
Comment #99@98:
And once upon a time we were linked with Uwe Rosler.
Toon-Prodigy
Apr 29, 2015 at 1:39 AM
Comment #100Knowing NUFC we will hit a bit of form here and move up a couple of places in the league. Luck has to change at some point. De Jong will be a big boost to the team and with Sissoko, Cisse and Dummet to come back in it will give us a few different options.
Then the transfer window can’t open quick enough. Get rid of the under performing players and anyone who hasn’t got the bottle anymore. The players who are wanting to be away should be ran out of the club. But I do understand the lack of ambition from the club is poor so can’t really knock that with them.
Lindisfarne
Apr 29, 2015 at 1:42 AM
Comment #101I could understand if people followed the American way of saying Lie-cess-ter and spelling the prefix of the name inaccurately. But the suffix has no basis for an ‘i’.
LEICESTER !!!
Lindisfarne
Apr 29, 2015 at 1:52 AM
Comment #102As unnecessary as a rant about spelling.
Sav
Apr 29, 2015 at 2:00 AM
Comment #103I wish I’d put a tenner on Cardew to lose the last 11 matches. Some odds but he looks like he just might pull it off. Mashley and his pals like a punt. I wonder if he got a piece of it? Lets put it this way, if I had made the bet, I don’t think I’d be cashing out just yet.
swemag
Apr 29, 2015 at 2:05 AM
Comment #104North east derby in the championship next year. Fantastic.
It might actually drive Ashley away from the club. But he wouldn’t sell at a loss, would he? No chance then.
Be gone.
Lindisfarne
Apr 29, 2015 at 2:15 AM
Comment #105“”Accordingly, 100% of the money paid for goods in NUFC stores goes into the football club’s bank account.””
From the minutes of the Fans Forum Jan. 2015
Is this accurate, how much, under which heading is it entered in to the accounts and with what is it combined?
jimmysmith
Apr 29, 2015 at 2:22 AM
Comment #106Players employed by football clubs that are run as genuine professional sports entities, with a correct balance between competing on the pitch and being responsible off it, tend to find the desire and passion to battle on for their survival till the final whistle of the season. We aren’t like that anymore and we’ve seen our club go down with barely a whimper once before under Ashley, and that when his lack of ambition for the club, far less glaring We have points on the board and the sides below us are by no means good ones,which likely will mean we keep our place. But you might strongly suspect these players don’t have the stomach for anything even remotely more challenging.
headtheball
Apr 29, 2015 at 3:03 AM
Comment #107Mister T @93
Thanks for reminding everyone what AsleyOut stands for and what they are trying to achieve. I am only an armchair supporter so probably shouldn’t have an opinion but i thought that piece was outstanding.
Here in OZ the once registered Democratic party chose the following expression when criticising the Government to justify their existence.
TO KEEP THE BASTARDS HONEST. sorry for shouting.
It didn’t keep the government honest, but it did highlight lies, bad decisions et al.
Somewhat similar to AshleyOut.
HWTF
Shot Bru
Apr 29, 2015 at 5:53 AM
Comment #108By the end of this week the poll will be 70% yes for relegation.
cyprus
Apr 29, 2015 at 5:56 AM
Comment #109So, Hull rallying too. JC needs some help NOW, not tomorrow. The new fancy HC might be for a Championship side otherwise, and that will put a spanner in it.
Such fate, just in order to punish big bad MA, is something NUFC fans don’t deserve.
Reyantoon
Apr 29, 2015 at 5:56 AM
Comment #110Oh No.Everything is going against us atm.
It doesn’t look good.With Hull winning yesterday, w/h I didn’t expected,we are in serious situation. Even if couple our good players back,I can’t see us wining a game under this clown coach.Our only hope is Sunderland to slip up.If we lose at Leicester, we are certain to go down.Pls God be with us and save us!!!
Santon03
Apr 29, 2015 at 6:06 AM
Comment #111can someone give me link to what channel 4 said?
Chris
Apr 29, 2015 at 6:08 AM
Comment #112Lindisfarne @ 105
The turnover figure in the accounts is shown under 3 main headings – Media, Commercial and Matchday – and merchandising income is included as part of commercial.
This is how it’s explained in the notes to the accounts:
Media – television and broadcasting income, including distributions from broadcasting agreements, cup competitions and local radio.
Commercial – sponsorship income, merchandising, conference and banqueting, catering and other sundry income.
Matchday – season and matchday tickets and corporate hospitality income.
The figures in the 2014 accounts (with last year’s figures in brackets) were:
Media 78.3m (51.0m)
Commercial 25.5m (17.1m)
Matchday 25.9m (27.7m)
Total 129.7m (95.8m)
but unfortunately the accounts don’t give any further analysis to show how the commercial total is split between merchandising and the other categories that are included.
Ron Knee
Apr 29, 2015 at 6:08 AM
Comment #113Brown trousers time for Charnley!
Chris
Apr 29, 2015 at 6:12 AM
Comment #114Santon
here’s one I found earlier:
http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/sports-direct-investigation-reveals-harsh-working-conditions
lochinvar
Apr 29, 2015 at 6:18 AM
Comment #115Pub quiz:
“Which Geordie Manager saves doomed club that Hatem Ben Arfa played for from relegation ”
It’s not a trick question !
Santon03
Apr 29, 2015 at 6:23 AM
Comment #116thanks, Chris
Santon03
Apr 29, 2015 at 6:33 AM
Comment #117channel 4 was about SD only no mentioning about any football club, why the hell NUFC responding?
Lilongwe Geordie
Apr 29, 2015 at 6:36 AM
Comment #118Blackley,
Firstly, whether other clubs agree with that statement or not on cup competitions is immaterial. They haven’t openly stated that cups mean you are more likely to be relegated. A complete and utter fallacy. You can check it out yourself quite easily, the facts don’t back that up. Other teams have actually used the good cup runs to improve morale for struggling sides, and you can see a visible upturn in league results during these periods. Again, you can easily go back through the years and check this out.
This squad provided by Ashley doesn’t have the character to beat Sunderland. It lacks any leader because they are not overly welcome at the club as they may rock the boat and demand more. Remember the players committee? Our influential players who lead by example on the pitch, disbanded as they had a disagreement with the club, and promptly offloaded as quickly as possible.
On the commercial revenue, I think I explain it pretty well, although you choose to ignore it. Under Ashley, our commercial revenue has decreased. In the same time frame, Sunderlands has increased. If Ashley has been so successful on the commercial side, and we have been better than Sunderland off the pitch, how has there grout eclipsed ours? Aston Villa, who we can agree have been poor now have the same commercial revenue as us. They were £20million behind when Ashley took over. Yes ours increased in the last year, but the only reason they increased by such significant amount was due to Ashley having decreased our revenue so significantly.
AS for the Spurs comparison, I didn’t mention player income, just commercial revenue. They have reinvested well, who is at fault there then?
I don’t blame Ashley for everything, I have argued in the past with people blaming Ashley for all and sundry. You just seem to want to argue for argues sake. This entire little exercise has shown up one thing, how badly we are being run.
As one of the protest banners said, we don’t demand a team that wins, we demand a team that tries – or something similar. You seem to be so fixated on 2 extremes just so you can argue with people that you completely ignore the middle ground. There is no 100% correct here, there are a lot of blurry areas which you tend to disregard.
Others do the same on the other side, and I have had discussions with many of them in the past, even to the point of being classed as an Ashley fan for a while by some. As I would say to them, derision, insults, and an unwillingness to accept reasoned arguments are never going to win people to your way of thinking.
I started going in the mid 80’s, hardly a great time for the club, but it felt much more connected with the city, with the community, with the fans. Now there is no connect, no pride, no communication. The entertainers years were great, but the pride came long before, and will return once this club reconnects with its city, be that in the Prem, or the Championship or lower down. So until Ashley goes, or changes his approach (highly unlikely) then he needs replacing at the head of this club.
Santon03
Apr 29, 2015 at 6:36 AM
Comment #119sorry, it doesn’t connect with the statement.
It was working environment at shirebrook SD, why the statement is about the benefit of SD merchandise to the club?
N1CK06
Apr 29, 2015 at 6:48 AM
Comment #120People keep saying if we lose to Leicester we are certain to go down. It annoys me because this is not true. These people should take another look at the league table.
We are currently on 35 points. Sunderland are the highest team in the relegation places with 30 points. Even if the Newcastle players join in the Ashley out boycotts and forfeit the remains 4 games we still need Sunderland to score 5 points in their games against Southampton, Everton, Leicester, Arsenal and Chelsea..
If there are people thinking “Oh I better stop boycotting against Ashley because my team will be relegated without my support” I ask you this: If you don’t want to watch a relegation bound NUFC, how are your actions going to make next season any different?