Carver’s Poor Man-Management Responsible For Red Cards

It’s not difficult to see why John Carver has never been a head coach before, but he has been assistant manager at Newcastle, Leeds, Sheffield United and Plymouth Argyle and for a short 14 months he was the head coach at MLS side Toronto FC – but that didn’t work out.

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John Carver – poor man-management skills

It’s much easier being an assistant coach than it is a head coach, and what seems to lack is real leadership and man-management skills – and we’ve talked enough about how he has really put a bridge between himself  and his players – maybe so he can avoid the criticism his players are currently taking in full force.

But some of his comments after yesterday’s disaster suggest that Carver may have upset his players at half time with (yet) another rant, and the players didn’t think too much of it.

There are ways to talk to your players at the break that gets them going out in the second half and playing their hearts, and there are other ways that just cheese (there are other words I could use) them off completely.

And the fact we conceded after two minutes into the second half suggests John was not able to inspire his players one little bit.

Whatever Alan Pardew said to his players at half time when we were 4-0 down at half time to Arsenal in February 2011, is the classic case, and whatever Alan said helped in the greatest come-back in Premier League history – that’s the benchmark right there – and one of Alan’s real memories after his four years at the club.

Newcastle’s interim head coach even suggested after the game, his half time chart may have been why Williamson and Janmaat got themselves sent off – and will now miss the West Brom game.

This is what Carver said:

“We prepare them all week on how they are going to play – it’s all about the fast start, all about the crowd and the atmosphere, we have the kick-off and it ends up in the back of our net from a set-play again”

“We come in at two nil down and it is a very animated dressing room, certainly from my point of view.” “There’ are a few home truths spoken and maybe I wound a few players up too much, hence losing Mike Williamson and Daryl Janmaat.”

“But the third goal comes as a result of me talking about not getting close enough to players, letting players run. The guy runs off Manu Riviere)and he nudges him in the back, but I have no complaints about the penalty.”

Yes John – if only the players weren’t so hopeless you could have 17 wins in a row right now – damn it! – and instead you have twelve defeats and only two wins.

Blaming your players all the time shows no leadership.

Newcastle now look to be in real danger of being relegated after our 8th defeat in a row, that’s the real bottom line today, and who will play in the back four and especially in central defense on Saturday is a very good question.

We don’t think Jamaal Lascelles will be eligible, but if he is we could do a lot worse than play the 21 year-old there, as long as he gets a full week’s training in.

We are waiting to hear what Mike Ashley will do about this dire situation, and we are assuming he’s making some phone calls, having meetings and formulating what will happen this week and who will be in charge of the side against West Brom.

But we fear it’s just too late now.

However, if Ashley does nothing, we will quickly become the bookies’ favorite to be relegated – because it’s difficult to see how we can get another point this season.

This is a real tragedy for Newcastle United and their fans – who are really hurting right now.

44 comments so far

  • davetoon

    May 3, 2015 at 5:06 PM

    Comment #1

    Sunderland may have won yesterday but their last four games are Everton, Arsenal and Chelsea away and Leicester at home. I don’t think they can win any of those games

  • NezzaNUFC

    May 3, 2015 at 5:08 PM

    Comment #2

    And honestly guys do we have that much of a poor squad at Newcastle?

    We have flair, technical, fast and strong players but are being resorted to long direct play known as hoofball.

    Think for a second and learn what roles the players are –

    Janmatt – Wing back – attacking
    Raylor – full back – defensive
    Dummet – full back – defensive
    Haidara – Wingback – attacking
    Tiote – ball winner
    Colback – ball winner
    Anita – regista – playmaker
    Sissoko – roaming – box to box – playmaker
    Abied – ball winner
    SDJ – playmaker
    Cabella – playmaker
    Cisse – poacher
    Gouffran – advance forward
    Riv – Advance forward
    Perez – Advance forward

    none of the players we have are made for direct purpose, we are made for passing attacking purpose

  • NezzaNUFC

    May 3, 2015 at 5:09 PM

    Comment #3


    Foreign managers/head coaches tend to care more about football than what’s happening upstairs.

    Have any of these guys stated that they wouldn’t come here because of the owner?

  • mindshaft

    May 3, 2015 at 5:09 PM

    Comment #4

    Lascelles is not eligible to play for toon until the start of next season
    Carvers is just an over promoted fan – Charnley is an over promoted tea boy – ultimately they are both cheap but have turned out to be very expensive in the long run.
    Looks like at best we’ll lose 12 million in prem places money and at worst lose 70 million prem money … and we’ll still have to pay carver & stone to go

  • Pokat

    May 3, 2015 at 5:09 PM

    Comment #5

    I blame the language barrier. The lads don’t understand him. They only learned English when they came here

  • Grafton83

    May 3, 2015 at 5:12 PM

    Comment #6

    I heard he learnt how to manage from the back of a cereal packet.

  • Ibizatoon

    May 3, 2015 at 5:13 PM

    Comment #7

    Blackley…Do you honestly believe that Ashley doesn’t get involved or have a say? What is that based on?

    At what stage do we start looking at these appointees as nothing more than convenient smoke screens?

    As you keep saying, not one of them appears fir for purpose. That can’t just be an accident after 8 years.

    Did you see my post @157? I’m not sure there is an argument to be had about Ashley being clueless as to what is going on.

  • NezzaNUFC

    May 3, 2015 at 5:14 PM

    Comment #8


    Isn’t Lascelles 21 years old? wouldn’t that mean he’s eligible to play for us?

  • bobby mango

    May 3, 2015 at 5:14 PM

    Comment #9

    I get annoyed/worried thinking about the money lost of relegated them remember it doesn’t matter. None gets spent on the club anyway.

  • banjax

    May 3, 2015 at 5:15 PM

    Comment #10

    How long does it take to sack somebody ???

  • jayphoto

    May 3, 2015 at 5:15 PM

    Comment #11

    Actually starting to feel sorry for Carver! Hes not upto the job but the players are a disgrace! Carver the only one who seems to care! Coloccinis leadership has been laughable

  • jayphoto

    May 3, 2015 at 5:17 PM

    Comment #12

    I mean even under the wirst of managers players should still care a bit?

  • jadder58

    May 3, 2015 at 5:20 PM

    Comment #13

    Caver has to go now , yesterday was indefensible . if the reports of the punch up on the coach are true , its a pity they don’t show the same sort of fight on the pitch .
    Carver- Chumbly – Tat seller – OUT .

  • jayphoto

    May 3, 2015 at 5:23 PM

    Comment #14

    Id play Armstrong for the rest of the season! Satka is probably going to have to come in because i hear dummett is injured?
    Krul, Taylor, Colo, Satka, Jonas
    colback Abeid
    Sissoko Cabella Perez

    Need to be tough to beat! Tell the fullbacks to stay in line with the centre backs as neither has the pace or legs to overlap and get back!
    Abeid and Colback at least play like they care.
    Play Sissoko wide right! That way if he can’t be bothered its not as destructive to the team! Perez and cabella always give 100% and Arma will cause problems with his pace!

  • jayphoto

    May 3, 2015 at 5:26 PM

    Comment #15

    Reckon Charnley will be gone in the summer! Same as kinnear was gone last year! Ashley gave him a chance and hes fluffed it royally!
    We are far too close to going down for Ashley not to be livid and ring the changed! Charnley will have contributed to Carver getting the interim position! Might be a £100m mistake.
    Pretty sure people get fired for costing a company £100m….

  • Lindisfarne

    May 3, 2015 at 5:26 PM

    Comment #16
  • scout

    May 3, 2015 at 5:27 PM

    Comment #17

    Does the true geordie post on here, now thats passion. I’d get him in the dressing room before the west brom game.

  • toonking

    May 3, 2015 at 5:30 PM

    Comment #18

    I f we are going to appoint maclarean, we must do it now, next weekend, it’s west brom (H) our best chance of the lot, maclarean himself wouldn’t be the type i’d normally want but with this fcuken owner in charge we’ve got no choice really, just relegation battling managers.

    maccarean in, carver out

  • Jail for Ashley

    May 3, 2015 at 5:30 PM

    Comment #19

    When we were relegated people blamed overpaid ageing stars who didn’t care, some blamed JfK a few blamed Shearer. When we were very nearly relegated two years ago the majority blamed Pardew. We went on an horrendous run last year, again half the fans blamed Pardew, We are about to be relegated again and there is one common denominator, an ever present cancer on our club.

  • scout

    May 3, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    Comment #20

    Why would he get rid of LC he is only the face he just does exactly what MA says.
    He’s probably been saying we need players and a manager a fuxxing 10 year old knows that.

  • damma99

    May 3, 2015 at 5:31 PM

    Comment #21

    Sack Carver now and get somebody in for the last 3 games you muppets. Do they not realise the shit we are in. MORONS.

  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    May 3, 2015 at 5:33 PM

    Comment #22

    Jay…you shouldn’t feel sorry for him though!

    …if you are going down that road think about the players who feel betrayed by the hierarchy above.

    They get sold a lie and put their career in jeopardy!

    When rot kicks in it goes everywhere…and this club it rotten to the core.

    As much as think players should be prof. and all that this club is really taking a piss at them…Carver is just up there at the top with Ashley and mini Ashley.

  • lesh

    May 3, 2015 at 5:35 PM

    Comment #23


    C’mon man get a grip. It’s clear that Carver’s hopeless at people management, as clueless as he is on the training ground.

    Are we still picking up these training injuries or are the affected players feigning their injuries because they’re pi$$ed right off with Carver?

    He should have been stood down and told to take a break away, after it became more than apparent he was never going to turn things around. In fact after his standing in the dugout last season, he should never have been appointed.

    But, hindsight’s a wonderful thing innit!

  • geordiemark

    May 3, 2015 at 5:36 PM

    Comment #24

    read this lads if the leader of the labour party has set his sights on sports crappy direct then its only a matter of time before it goes to a parliamentary committee, I still think there should be an enquiry into mike ashleys situation at the club and have all its books looked at by the tax office as well as excellent accountants

    all this is mike ashleys fault for being so greedy not just with the toon but his own workforce putting most of them on zero hour contracts is a damn disgrace plus his dodgy dealings in Scotland about a company going bust which he owned and he got the government to pay the workers money, the media and the politicians should look very closely into mike Ashley and his dodgy dealings and mike am skint you wont get bugger all out of me

  • Ibizatoon

    May 3, 2015 at 5:37 PM

    Comment #26

    Jail…Not sure if you saw this the other day. Figures based on the squad that got relegated.


    I’ve been working on something, which is connected with this current connection between our current squad and looming relegation to that of the 08/09 season that was relegated.

    A lot has been said about the cause of that relegation, but a point that is often made is that Mike got stuck with an over-valued, over-paid and non-interested bunch of players.

    It is often accepted as gospel, people think Michael Owen and it’s easy to understand why.
    I’ve done some research, to the best of my ability (transfer fees etc can be hit and miss, but that goes both ways – so for the sake of a starting point it should balance out). Figures have been taken from transfermarkt and transferleague mainly and includes the whole squad of that time.

    As of the end of the 08/09 Season.

    Pre-Ashley Purchases = £ 54,030,000 (20 players)
    Ashley Purchases = £ 49,340,000 (25 players)
    Total Purchase Value = £103,370,000 (45 players)

    Since then, the club (Ashley) has overseen these players sold to the value of £97,298,000, meaning a total loss of £6,072,000.

    Of the players Pre-Ash = £22,548,000
    Since Ashley = -£28,620,000

    Players who still remain since relegation are:
    Fabricio Coloccini
    Ryan Taylor
    Jonas Gutierrez
    Steven Taylor
    Tim Krul

    3 of which are Ashley purchases. The only one with any value came prior to Ashley in Tim Krul, although that value is surely plummeting now.

    Wages comparision
    Wages-Revenue (total)-Wages to TO-Media


    08/09-£71,100,000-£86,100,000- 82.%-£37,600,000


    Doens’t quite paint the picture most have in my opinion. You are spot on, there is only one constant in all of this. Unless of course we’re still blaming Shepherd and Hall 8 years later, even after claiming Ashley has worked financial wonders since then…

  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    May 3, 2015 at 5:37 PM

    Comment #27

    scout…from every other stand point Charnley is not doing his job!

    …if he is just doing what Ashley then we should be all over him. Doing what Ashley says is not necessarily doing your job. It’s doing what you are being told!

    It can lead to negligence!

  • c-dog

    May 3, 2015 at 5:38 PM

    Comment #28

    Krul, Anita, Satka, Col, Jonas, Colback, Abeid, Sissoko, De Jong, Perez, Cisse. No way Ryan Taylor can play. He can barely kick the ball anymore.

  • toonking

    May 3, 2015 at 5:38 PM

    Comment #29

    team for next game.



    the likes of sissoko don’t give a shit about us now, they don’t care about us going down, just want to avoid injury.

  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    May 3, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    Comment #30

    *Ashley tells him…

  • Barton

    May 3, 2015 at 5:47 PM

    Comment #31

    If Charver is not replaced within the next 48hrs,then jst go’s to show Mr Tubbs does not care if we in prem or not,wonder if he will show his face at either of the 2 home games we have left ?…………..silly me,why would he do something like that!!

  • geordiemark

    May 3, 2015 at 5:48 PM

    Comment #32


    did you add all the sky money when you added all that up

  • geordiemark

    May 3, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    Comment #33


    you can bet your bottom dollar he wont show up at st james park he knows what hes in for

  • geordiemark

    May 3, 2015 at 5:50 PM

    Comment #34


    sorry I see that you did add it

  • optimistic prime

    May 3, 2015 at 5:52 PM

    Comment #35

    Breaking News..

    Ashley will do nothing.

    Well it’s not really breaking news.

  • Lindisfarne

    May 3, 2015 at 5:56 PM

    Comment #36
  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    May 3, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    Comment #37
  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    May 3, 2015 at 5:59 PM

    Comment #38

    OP…maybe Charnley forgot to send him the memo on how we are doing 😉 lol

  • snowdone

    May 3, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #39

    Our inability to defend free kicks has been glaringly obvious for months. Surely we have tried to rectify this on the training pitch. It doesn’t look like it!

    Our indiscipline has been bad for many seasons – starting from the head coaches and filtering down to the most experienced players. Again where has the leadership been there? Mouthing off at all and sundry or banning the press.

    We need a new man in now. Yes, McClaren would not be my choice but he is available and the hierarchy seem to like him. The alternative – relegation – is not an option for those who truly love the club.

    Let’s hope the calls are going out today. If Ashley does not want to sack Carver he should at least send him away on recuperation leave.

  • Jail for Ashley

    May 3, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #40

    That’s naughty and certainly not cricket, expect better from you !


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