We’ve Heard It All Before – Carver’s Part Of The Problem

John Carver went into a rant about his players after what turned out to be a disastrous day for Newcastle United yesterday, as we crept ever so closer to the relegation zone, and the coach after the game simply ranted that his players couldn’t  care less and that they were hopeless.

Which was all very true but ……

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Mike Williamson – sent off

John Carver’s job is to get the very best out of them, and he hasn’t done that in the four months he’s been the head coach and simply blaming the players all the time will not do anything to help the situation – if just helps John – or so it may appear.

Two wins and twelve defeats in 17 games in charge is not good – that’s his record.

So it’s a little bit rich for him  and also irresponsible of him to throw all the blame onto the players.

The truth is he’s completely out of his depth, and it was a disastrous appointment by Mike Ashley, and the players seem to have found that out very quickly.

These are the same players who won six games in a row earlier this season, and even broke Chelsea’s 24 game unbeaten streak.

They are not as bad as they’ve looked over the last four months under John Carver when we’ve gained 9 points of the 48 available.

Here’s some of John’s rant from yesterday starting with stupidly accusing Mike Williamson of getting himself sent off on purpose::

“I thought he meant it,” “When I was standing in technical area, and the ball went onto that left hand side, after already having a caution, my first reaction, five yards before he made tackle was: “Don’t do it”. He did it.”

“Vardy was off the pitch, Williamson was off pitch, the ball was off pitch. There is no need to do it. I’m not accepting that, especially the situation we’re in.”

“I don’t know why he would do it. It was just my thought, “He’s meant that”. I’ve told him that. I’ve said it to his face. I don’t want to go into what he said.”

“At half-time I was the most animated I’ve been in my football career,’ said Carver. ‘I wasn’t accepting what happened in the first half.”

“I was here on Wednesday and saw a fantastic atmosphere. I saw how they took it to the champions Chelsea for the first 25 minutes. All our work this week has been about what to expect. Expect them to come at you. Deal with that.”

“We had kick off and within 30 seconds it goes for a corner and is in the back of the net. 1-0.” “I can’t give players desire to go and get a broken nose or get a cut on their eye by trying to head the ball.”

“I wish I’d been on there because I’d do that. I can’t impact set pieces if they are not prepared to commit.” “That’s why I was animated at half-time, we’re a soft touch. When the ball comes in the box we’re not prepared to put our heads on it.”

“I know some players went over to the fans at full-time, and they had a go and said more or less, “We don’t want to see you”. If I was sitting in the stand with them, I would do the same thing.”
(notice how he separates himself from his players)

“Grow up and take it on the chin,’ he said. ‘If they don’t grow up, go and hide behind a post. That’s how serious I feel about it.”

“We can talk and talk. I’m telling you what I think and feel. I’m an honest guy. A straight bat. I’ve said this to them. The ones who don’t want to be there and accept it, they can stay at home.”

“If somebody was having a go at me I would prove a point. I’ve had a lot of that over the last few weeks but I haven’t disappeared or crumbled. I’m still here.”

“We have to stand up and be counted. I face it head on. The day I don’t do that, I may as well forget about it. The players have to do the same.’

Here’s another case of John Carver talking about himself and how brave he is and all that self complimentary nonsense after yet another disastrous defeat – and those words above show John Carver is no leader.

No wonder the players are sick of him, if he says this to them in the dressing room all the time.

Rants like this are immature and will only make it harder for Newcastle to get any points from their last remaining games, which will probably mean we will be relegated.

But Carver wants everybody to know where the blame for this catastrophe lies, and it’s not at his door.

In the position he is in he’s the one responsible for getting the very best out of the players he has available – that’s the definition of coaching.

John Carver is part of the problem.

Where Newcastle go from here we have no idea – maybe we’ll hear from Mike Ashley and Lee Charnley soon.

Maybe we wont.

But the longer they let this thing fester without showing any leadership, the more likely it will be that Newcastle will take the drop.

20 comments so far

  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    May 3, 2015 at 8:06 AM

    Comment #1

    Quinny is giving Carver some stick on Talk Sport

  • Jail for Ashley

    May 3, 2015 at 8:07 AM

    Comment #2

    Mike Ashley, disastrous appointment nah couldn’t be he’s the best owner we’ve ever had. Come out of hiding bills you coward.

  • Blofal

    May 3, 2015 at 8:10 AM

    Comment #3

    This whole debacle has made me delirious.

    I seriously considered for a second what a good idea it would be to pay Klopp 10 million to manage the last 3 games.

    If we get relegated I can’t watch Newcastle play in the championship because it’s not televised overseas. It’s going to kill me.

  • cestriasteve

    May 3, 2015 at 8:12 AM

    Comment #4

    Jail, would you be happy for us to do a Leeds if it meant he sold up?

  • scout

    May 3, 2015 at 8:13 AM

    Comment #5

    The reason williamson booted the lad is because he had been ran ragged by him the whole game. He was so pixxxx off he booted him and was sent off.
    Carver has no game plan, no shape nothing. He doesn’t even make it look good.

  • Slank

    May 3, 2015 at 8:15 AM

    Comment #6


    Ashley doesn’t have to sell.

    He can close down the club.

    He is rich enough to write off his investment / loan off. The loan wouldn’t make much of a dent in his pocket.

    He could recoup some of his loan by selling all the players, making all the none playing staff redundant, selling the fixtures and fittings, demolishing the stadium and selling the rubble. He could even sell the trademark. What or who could stop him ?

    He could sell of course. Would he be bothered if it was someone like the Oyston family of Blackpool, probably not.

  • cestriasteve

    May 3, 2015 at 8:16 AM

    Comment #7

    Scout, I’d say you were spot on there with everything.

  • Slank

    May 3, 2015 at 8:20 AM

    Comment #8

    cestriasteve @ 4

    He doesn’t have to sell. If he did, would the next mega rich hard nosed egomaniac be any different ?

    There are some good foreign owners and there are some bad foreign owners just as there are good and bad British owners. It’s a lottery to which we can’t buy a ticket.

  • geordiemark

    May 3, 2015 at 8:22 AM

    Comment #9


    yes he could do all that but the thing is our fans would start the club again we don’t need his say so all we do is form a new club start at the bottom and do it all again, but this time it would be a fans club a club ran by the fans and not some jumped up billionare

  • lochinvar

    May 3, 2015 at 8:27 AM

    Comment #10

    I feel like I’ve had teeth pulled without anaesthetic and Ashley is the dentist and Carver his dental nurse assistant.

    Pass me the laughing gas to numb the pain.
    How do I feel know ?

  • cestriasteve

    May 3, 2015 at 8:27 AM

    Comment #11

    Slank, I think the next 48 hours will be interesting in the Ashley tenure.

  • Sir Braveheart

    May 3, 2015 at 8:28 AM

    Comment #12

    Get someone else in for the last three games.

    I don’t care if its the tea lady, the players aren’t going to play for Carver any more. No one could do worse now.

  • geordieboy83

    May 3, 2015 at 8:38 AM

    Comment #13

    Fully prepared for abuse for lack of ambition and what not, but here we go:

    Why are people so against mclaren? Granted there are better managers but he ain’t as bad as people make out.
    Took an un fancied boor to the uefa final, yes they then struggled in the league, but it’s not as if he had a Tottenham or an Everton down there, it was a team who were likely to be in the lower regions of the league.
    Done very well in holland and broke dominance of the usual suspects in the Dutch league. Well respected in a very technical continental league.
    Wolfsburg a right off granted but was one of 3 or 4 who also failed at that club, in that time.
    England was a f””k up granted

    I want klopp or garde, etc but mclaren is up there with them in terms of what he had achieved other than klopp obviously.

    Just my opinion

  • sparky55

    May 3, 2015 at 8:40 AM

    Comment #14

    Slank @ 6

    That’s exactly what he’s going to do mate and I’ve been saying it for a couple of years now…this is one cold mother fcuker who’s out for nowt but revenge now the job has been done with the free advertising over the last 8 years and his brand being the leading sports retailer in the world goddammit.

    He’s been lucky though…he had no idea when he took over 8 years ago that the sky deals would go up as much as they have and world wide coverage of the premier league would increase as much it has therefore sticking his poxy brand on just about TV screen in the world. for free the spawn cnut

    Nothing left for him to do now with regards newcastle with the exception of burying us like he buries every other adversary.

    cestrasteve @ 11

    He won’t spend any money on a sinking ship because he’s already written off the value of newcastle being a premiership side v’s a Championship side. The money is not important to him…he’s gone from being worth 700 million when he took over NUFC to being worth 3.5 billion so the difference in value between a championship club and a premiership club is loose change to the fat fcuker…all he wants to do is bury us now.

  • goody158

    May 3, 2015 at 8:42 AM

    Comment #15

    Carver is a complete tool

  • Sav

    May 3, 2015 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #16

    geordieboy, I’d say after all this misery, we don’t want to ‘settle’ for anybody. It is time for a big rethink by Ashley and McLaren isn’t that. He is more of the same. Better, but the same.

  • Obertan's better than Messi

    May 3, 2015 at 12:22 PM

    Comment #17

    I bet Carver is easily the worst paid manager in the league.

    You get what you pay for.

    It’s this cheap mentality with the lack of ambition it brings that is Ashley’s disease.

    He needs excising.
    A dose of relegation is what Ashley’s NUFC deserve and is what we need to get rid of the vile man .


  • DicBDownUnder

    May 3, 2015 at 12:30 PM

    Comment #18

    Ed use of ‘out of his depth’ is becoming as boring and repetative as JC’s interviews and how ‘brave’ her is…

    Spice it up a little please Ed

  • DicBDownUnder

    May 3, 2015 at 12:31 PM

    Comment #19


  • mfw13

    May 3, 2015 at 4:20 PM

    Comment #20

    Carver is in over his head.

    But that doesn’t make his criticism of Williamson any less valid. It was a extremely stupid tackle, especially given the match situation (i.e. down 3-0 and already on a yellow).

    Likewise with Janmaat getting himself sent off in the 91st minute.

    Carver may be an idiot, but so are Williamson and Janmaat….


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