Lee Charnley has held two days of frank discussions with Carver, the players and maybe even the tea lady, to try to sort things out after the disaster lats Saturday when we were humiliated – yes again – at Leicester and lost 3-0.
Charnley shows his inexperience as top Executive
This is the Newcastle statement just issued:
Following the result at Leicester City on Saturday, there has been two days of frank dialogue with John Carver and senior players.
The outcome of those discussions is that the Board, John Carver, his staff and players are absolutely focused on our current situation and the three hugely important fixtures that remain this season, two of which are at St. James’ Park.
All parties accept responsibility for the current situation but are determined, together, to ensure this Club – your Club – retains its Premier League status.
That is the only focus at this time.
When the Managing Director has to call in the head coach and some of his senior players and coaches to sort out the conflict going on in the dressing room – that points right at the head coach and Carver should have been fired.
It’s also obvious that Lee doesn’t fully understand just how angry fans are at him, Mike Ashley and John Carver for the nonsense that had been going on all this year.
This is the first time this year the club have made any official statement about the perilous position Charnley and others have got the club into this year.
Putting out that shallow and rather self-serving statement is nowhere good enough to get the fans fully behind the club for the final three games of the season.
There’s been absolutely no communication coming from the Managing Director all year, and he has let this situation fester so much that we are now 4th favorites to be relegated after we had 26 points after 19 games before Pardew left.
And all Carver had to do was to get 14 points from the last 19 games to get us to safety, but he will not be able to do that.
We have 9 points from 16 league games he has managed and out goal difference has gone form -6 to -24 the second worst in the league – that’s how bad it’s been.
This shows Lee’s lack of experience at the Executive level – and putting out that statement is not enough – and if anything it will make our fans even more angry.
If John Carver is staying on, we’re not sure how the club can get the fans behind them now – we hope that will be possible – but we don’t know how.
For example, if we go one or two goals down on Saturday, the fans will be after John Carver again – just like they were during the last home game against Swansea – when he complained about being abused and not being protected by the stewards.
And there are likely to be protests against Mike Ashley again – and all that will not be helpful to trying to win a game.
This is now a three game catastrophe just waiting to happen, and this statement just released is wholly inadequate given the extreme seriousness of the situation.
160 comments so far
jayjo
May 4, 2015 at 4:58 PM
Comment #121Ashley in
BUT with a proper coach
Rotonda heights
May 4, 2015 at 4:58 PM
Comment #122Charnley must be the most pitiful, spineless non-entity ever.
Here we are plummeting headlong into oblivion with a manager openly admitting the players don’t want or listen to him and that ”he doesn’t see how he can stop the rot.”
If Charnley had anything about him he would have P45’d JC Saturday night as jc doesn’t have the good grace to step aside.
Ok McLaren wouldn’t come (thankfully) but surely to god you don’t carry on with this blatant one man billboard and in Mourinho’s words ”specialist in failure”.
Surely you have a plan B like Jonas as player / coach for 3 matches. Someone the players and fans actually respect and a guy with massive cojones and guts, even if past it as a player.
God knows how much the decision to even put jc in charge in the first place has cost Ash and the club but i think charnley will be needing more than one minder soon.
Ciaran
May 4, 2015 at 4:59 PM
Comment #123Jayjo
Did he have enough games as a player? What did he do while he was a player at our club? Was it anything worthy of him having an opinion of merit at our club?
Obertan's better than Messi
May 4, 2015 at 4:59 PM
Comment #124mecannylad
Weekly coach trips to his village.
We could all have drinks and lunch in his local with his neighbours …
Ciaran
May 4, 2015 at 4:59 PM
Comment #125Actually, he’s just a WUM, I’ll ignore him.
jane
May 4, 2015 at 5:00 PM
Comment #126“Vigilante justice is the only way”
not acceptable
jayjo
May 4, 2015 at 5:01 PM
Comment #127McLaren is sh£te why would you want him we will draw on Sat then safe
I would pay what ever it took for Sean Dyche
Munster Mag
May 4, 2015 at 5:01 PM
Comment #128Just to make that clear…..we now know for the first time fully that ashley isnt bothered about relegation in terms of how it affects SD. This is bad bad news . So many people said here that he cared about his brand and how relegation would affect its value. He doesnt and this has serious implications for us.
toon kk
May 4, 2015 at 5:01 PM
Comment #129I’ve never known a premier league club so poor run, every member of staff doesn’t know what the hell there doing.
Most of our squad all have resale in mind.
What has been carefully thought through is the business side of the club on making money. With the total lack of knowledge they’ve never even given the possibility of relegation a thought, so there’s no plan b.
Also what about the scouting? A old man coming up with names for MA to decide on the cheapest option.
DG MAGPIE
May 4, 2015 at 5:02 PM
Comment #130After working as a safety steward in SJP and attending 5-10 away games a season I feel like I’ve had enough now.
I feel sorry for Carver as he is clearly inadequate for the job, he appears to be giving all he has but he’s out his depth. The blame has to be levied to the guys at the top.
This is the first time in my life I can genuinely say I do not like our squad, barring Cisse and Krul who I have a soft spot for!
We deserve to go down. Whether anybody agrees it’s right or wrong, I’ve quit my job and will go to no more games or buy any merchandise until the clubs poisonous leadership is gone.
jayjo
May 4, 2015 at 5:02 PM
Comment #131Ciaran
As a player he was the greatest but the same obvious statement don’t help and won’t help
Toon-Prodigy
May 4, 2015 at 5:03 PM
Comment #132He deffo is a WUM aye Ciaran.
Blatant as they come.
Charlie in the Gallowgate
May 4, 2015 at 5:04 PM
Comment #133Maybe Ashley is getting some perverse indicative pleasure in seeing the TOON and it’s supporters agony.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he is orchestrating relegation, selling what players we have taken the TV money and letting us rot. Doing a Oyston
Belfast
May 4, 2015 at 5:04 PM
Comment #134Shearer is head pundit on the BBC, he gets asked his opinion and he gives his opinion.
What’s he meant to say ? No comment. ?
Reyantoon
May 4, 2015 at 5:05 PM
Comment #135Prodigy
“Ryan Taylor was more bothered about his hair on saturday than”…
That sentence made me chuckle TP,and labeled it best quote of the day ha ha..
But honestly, we know that some players are not good enough and needs to be axed in the summer. However, u got to take the best out of what u have in this desperate situation.Yes the team is sh••t & unbalanced,so whose fault is that..?.Leicester players are not better than us in terms of quality. But they got a grip,motivation, organization etc from their mgr.And what is John doing? not sure,may be worrying what he’ll say in the next press conference..?
And who would pick Jonas,Reviere etc when u have SDJ,cabella & Sammy available?
Am afraid it’s all his fault!
But like I said,we have no choice but to back him to save us?
hibbit
May 4, 2015 at 5:05 PM
Comment #136jayjo and were have you pop up from mc keag nearly killed the club ever club in the 1st division was like that no sky/bt money rolling round then……… shear did not have a chance the damage was done long before he got job the fat man seen to that
Ciaran
May 4, 2015 at 5:08 PM
Comment #137Munster
Perhaps it does have dangerous implications for us inasmuch as we’ve served our utility – remember, it’s off the back of his association with Newcastle United that has seen share prices in SD rocket since 2007.
If we have served our utility, then perhaps he is looking for an exit strategy?
Munster Mag
May 4, 2015 at 5:09 PM
Comment #138Our Toon sadly you are partly incorrect. And this is the key and the reason i posted yesterday that this 24 hours would reveal all re Ashley. What Ashlkey has shown us now is that he can live with the damage his brand sustains if we go down…..ie , he chose not to invest in a new coach to help us out because he knows that if we go down ( and we will) SD will not be affected very much. Of course it will be affected ( advertising missing from sky etc ) but he has shown THAT HE CAN LIVE WITH CONSEQUENCES FOR SPORTS DIRECT. This is a very serious issue now and this is why I have been holding my breath for 24 hours to see how MA would react. Its not that he is gambling – its that he knows that SD will be fine and dandy without the prem money. Seriously bad news gents .
JackButler
May 4, 2015 at 5:14 PM
Comment #139jayjo
Shearer was only one factor in us being relegated, but like Carver he should have never been given the job
lesh
May 4, 2015 at 5:14 PM
Comment #140And what happens IF we avoid relegation?
Charnley stays, players leave, Carver made HC?
If we do drop?
Charnley stays, players leave, Carver made HC
What a prospect eh?
HWTF
hibbit
May 4, 2015 at 5:15 PM
Comment #141please except my apologise for that last post 136……. i had a rush of blood not good at my age i never twigged he was such a blatant WUM sorry
BandB
May 4, 2015 at 5:21 PM
Comment #142jayjo is a rare visitor to these shores.
He only pops up when the regime is deep in the clarts to say things like “why all the negativity over no signings?” and “what’s wrong with selling Demba Ba?”
JackButler
May 4, 2015 at 5:21 PM
Comment #143http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/11581835/Fabricio-Coloccini-will-retain-captaincy-despite-team-bus-bust-up-with-Tim-Krul-after-thrashing-at-Leicester.html
Toon-Prodigy
May 4, 2015 at 5:22 PM
Comment #144Reyan,
We are taking the best of what we have i think. Sammy and Cabella are poor and you never know what you get with either of them. Cabella for me is a Ben Arfa mark II. Inconsistent. I’v got trust in Carver to select who is trying and looking good in training. My feeling is that the pressure has got too much. Our coach took off in January so that would affect confidence. The injuries and suspensions. Carver was quite happy when we had everyone coming back to fitness in January but he has lost them all throughout and the behaviour of some players beggars belief. Cisse, Sissoko, Williamson. These are supposed to be pro’s.
Add to that the quality just isn’t there in the second string. There is no battle for places. It’s a really poor squad, it’s lacking all over the pitch and once we have a few players out we are doomed regardless of manager. You can’t expect to challenge on every front with 13-14 decent players out of 25. Far too many players at this club are just not good enough.
lesh
May 4, 2015 at 5:24 PM
Comment #145And rather than have an HC ready to slot in even at the end of the season, Charnley’ll no doubt ho through the motions again, fail to recruit and appoint Carver.
Then when Carver’s had his pre-season, cocked up again and sackable, will they do it? Will they bollocks.
Clueless and reckless to say the least.
Fans’d best stay away from the two home games and join any demo that’s planned.
GeordieTwo
May 4, 2015 at 5:25 PM
Comment #146Steady as she goes then Lee? Beautiful. What happens if we lose the last 3 and go down? What then Lee? Will you have another dialogue with Johnny C.? Because he’ll be the only man daft enough to coach us after that. What does Mike say? Ah, yes Mike. A true leader. Leading us straight down.
GeordieTwo
May 4, 2015 at 5:28 PM
Comment #147Let’s fong the jayjo for the sweet baby jesus.
JackButler
May 4, 2015 at 5:28 PM
Comment #148lesh
It’s easy to blame Charnley but the reality is he’s working to Ashley’s remit, if Ashley will not pay Carver the compensation or shell out for a new manager/head coach there’s little Charnley can do.
the thing that gauls me the most is that they all trot out saying that they are doing their best, that they all want whats right for NUFC and people still buy into it.
irrispective of what league we are in next season, if Ashley is still the owner the stadium should be empty and the replica shirt still hanging in the club shop
GeordieTwo
May 4, 2015 at 5:31 PM
Comment #149Play for your own self respect as professional footballers. Fight hard. If you lose, you lose, but do it the right way. Not tackling out of bounds and fighting with each other on the team bus.
hibbit
May 4, 2015 at 5:33 PM
Comment #150toon -prodigy when pardue jumped ship this lot thought we were safe thats when the penny pinching kicked in and they gave the job to carver save a few quid on a new coach….. this was charley looking for brownie points with ashley by saving money well its going to cost them a lot more then he saved
toon kk
May 4, 2015 at 5:33 PM
Comment #151I think if or should I say when we go down MA won’t take it as bad as we may think. Yes money is his god but SD is his passion and that’s his business. We’re just a advertising board if that goes SD won’t. He knows he’s hated by fans, he may have made nieve mistakes when he took over the club but now he doesn’t really care. We support the club he doesn’t.
jane
May 4, 2015 at 5:34 PM
Comment #152I doubt MA wants us to be relegated even if SD may not be affected much if we do. keeping Carver in charge for the last 3 games is probably another gamble.
Obertan's better than Messi
May 4, 2015 at 5:34 PM
Comment #153There’s a bit of criticism of Ryan Taylor.
The club haven’t offered him a new contract.
The club don’t require his services.
Can anyone really expect him to put in a shift?
I’m surprised he isn’t applauding the oppositions goals.
Madness playing him.
GeordieTwo
May 4, 2015 at 5:35 PM
Comment #154Nobody would touch us with a ten foot pole the way we are right now. Ashley, Charnley and Carver deserve each other. They’ve turned is into a toxic cesspool. It’s worse than the last relegation season.
GeordieTwo
May 4, 2015 at 5:38 PM
Comment #155It wouldn’t have been hard to rescue us in January. Bring in a decent head coach. Buy 3 or 4 players with the profit. Send us upward after Pardew left and really build for next season. But what did Ashley do? What all cowards do. He ran away and hid.
Toon-Prodigy
May 4, 2015 at 5:49 PM
Comment #156Hibbit,
Too right. It’s cost a bomb already and I hate to think how much if we go down. It’s just total incompetence all to make money that we never see. I can’t stand the constant gambles.
They should be shot, this is a football club first and foremost and supposed to be entertainment.
Pure torture.
Blackley and Brownlie
May 4, 2015 at 5:50 PM
Comment #157Ibiza
There’s a pride in supporting your home town club, but especially when your home town is Newcastle. It means that, even if the team is sh!te, owned by leaches, and languishing near the bottom of the second tier, you still turn up to support the team. Anyone who doesn’t want to do that, that’s their choice and I don’t criticise them. But I defend the right of committed fans to follow and support their team through the good times as well as the bad times. The good times are much sweeter when they come. The club is nothing without the die hards. So when they get hammered on here and told they’re mugs and worse for giving Ashley their money, I defend them; not least when that criticism comes from bloggers thousands of miles away, some of whom are not Geordies and have never been to SJP and who are happy to see the club relegated. It wouldn’t be so bad if the name callers had a strategy involving a new owner. But no it’s all about anti-Ashley bile and the politics that go with it.
ashleysmate
May 4, 2015 at 6:04 PM
Comment #158As the technically gifted Status Quo would say…..were going down down deeper and down xx
usmagpie
May 4, 2015 at 7:06 PM
Comment #159So Williamson will miss a few games no loss there, don’t we now get the lad we signed from Forrest back Lascelles ?
Isn’t he a central defender, cant be as bad as Williamson right? Ok gentleman and ladies. Lets bow our heads.
Please lord let there be a shining light within the next three games, let Newcastle win one of them so the fans that pay there good honest hard working money can have a happyish summer. Either this lord or all the clubs below us lose every game or draw a few. Come on lord we have a manager called JC, that’s has to count for something. Amen
ashleysmate
May 4, 2015 at 8:52 PM
Comment #160Ive supported this lot since in was a kid in the mid 60s….when we had one of the worst grounds in the division….all the profits then went into the directors pockets (nothing different there then ?)
and i stood and watched some absolute bile but because i genuinely loved the mags i didnt care…standing in perishing weather, in terrible surroundings…if we got beat, i would go home with tears streaming down my little cheeks….i just wonder if our Michael and his side kicks keep emotionally raping my club that anyone eventually, at the end of the day will give a s**t?
Because once we all become hardened to HIS greed and selfishness, he will have nowhere else to go….he may batter MY club to its knees but once he and his yes men have scuttled off into the darkness….WE will ALWAYS bounce back…why? because we are GEORDIES….that’s what we do…..