What Carver Told Charnley Is A Big Concern

The Chronicle is reporting today on some of the specifics of the meetings in the two days following the calamitous 3-0 defeat at Leicester City, and in particular what Lee Charnley asked John Carver in the meetings.

Newcastle manager John Carver

John Carver – yes, yes and yes

These are the three questions Lee Charnley is reported to have asked John Carver:

  1. Can he handle the criticism of Newcastle fans and pundits
  2. Can he keep the team up in the Premier League
  3. Can he win back the dressing room.

So it will come as no shock at all that John said yes to all three questions.

Without meaning to be disrespectful  to John, what we’ve seen from him this year is that he likes to please people and finds it very difficult to say no to anything – that just seems to be his personality and he likes to be very positive about things.

So it’s hardly surprising he said yes to all three questions – and after all a no answer to any one of the three questions  would probably have meant Lee would bring in another coach.

But Lee Charnley’s responsibilities shouldn’t have ended with those answers from John , and he cannot just take those three yes answers from John and say – OK so we are going to be safe then.

And then tell Mike Ashley that is all is well after all, and we’ll not be relegated

It’s Lee’s job as an executive to way up how John feels about things with his record of this year, and then decide if he is the right man for the job over the last three games.

If Lee gave too much emphasis to John’s answers to reach his decision, then we are in trouble.

If we lose on Saturday and there’s not much improvement from the side, then Mike Ashley could still bring in another coach to take over the side for the last two games at QPR and at home to West Ham.

That would help to give the players and the fans a big lift – if we are hopeless again on Saturday and lose – but it would also be a desperate move for survival.

And finally, the very fact that John Carver did not offer his resignation on Sunday, as had been reported, suggests he still thinks he’s the right man for the job after eight successive defeats, the worst run in Premier League history by Newcastle.

The very fact that Lee asked him if he could regain the dressing room says that Charnley thinks he has lost it.

That alone is usually a good sign the manager needs replacing.

188 comments so far

  • Lindisfarne

    May 6, 2015 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #1

    “I worked with Bobby Robson me”

  • Grafton83

    May 6, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    Comment #2

    Oh thank goodness he said yes to all 3 because little me was sitting here all worried. So pleased I can sleep easy now knowing all of that is in hand. PHEWWwwww!!!

  • MrMojoRisin76

    May 6, 2015 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #3

    Nah bud,Pink Floyd,the songs called”Have A Cigar”.

  • Carryingcoals

    May 6, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #4

    Carver isn’t good enough to manage a PL club, especially not to take one into the top ten. Same can be said for a lot of the current playing squad.

    Yet none of this matters as much as Ashley. We will never ‘be’ anything with him here. The thing is the bloke seems to do what he wants but nobody challenges him which is why I’ll never criticise out support for protesting.

    News broke today that Sports Direct are being investigated by the way – http://bdai.ly/t9Ym – wonder if it’ll affect his long term dual involvement with us and Rangers …

  • hibbit

    May 6, 2015 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #5

    lindisfarne or they look at them and don’t like what they see both poor players………headless chickens springs to mind

  • gazthehillbilly

    May 6, 2015 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #6

    Watching time of our lives, the entertainers. Almost in tears remembering how happy newcastle used to make me as a teenager! Our city would go mental to see that kind of excitement/ambition shown again.

  • Grafton83

    May 6, 2015 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #7

    “It’s the booing noise, the lack of passion from the staff, the feeling of wanting away, the pride in your pity.”

    “It’s a small boy clambering up stadium steps for the very first time, gripping his father’s hand, gawping at that awful stretch of turd beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, falling out of love.”

  • Lindisfarne

    May 6, 2015 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #8

    “Let me tell you this….I am great me, no one is more positive, especially in comparison to those over paid dilly-dalliers in that dressing room. I bleed for this club, whilst they cry at a graze on there arm.

    But I’ll show them how to be real men and have a really, really, really positive attitude just like me.”

    That is what the window cleaner heard!

  • Average_Contents

    May 6, 2015 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #9


    I didn’t mean probot I meant the Foo’s lol. They did a cover of it.

  • Edd Case

    May 6, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #10

    To be fair, the man is local and understands exactly what it means to be a Geordie and to love the club.

    If the players don’t buy into that at the very least, then we really are in the poop.

    That said, is that enough?

    A big name and fresh approach with sound tactics would have been my approach.
    Carver clearly cares a great deal about the club but AP was no tactician and more than to blame on a number of times for losing games/points.
    JC is worse, imho, tactically – and it shows – 8 losses in a row.

    We need to get lucky on Saturday.

    I might just add that Willo’s dismissal could be a blessing.
    Our set pieces seem to always revolve around him and we much be the very worse PL team in history on set pieces – so we will be forced to at try new things – assuming of course JC and co have actually worked that out on the training ground this week.

  • Lindisfarne

    May 6, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #11

    hibbit – got me, they are both useless at heading the ball, but a lot of the time Cisse manages to get away with the ball bouncing of him into the net and still have a career.

  • kakaobi

    May 6, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #12

    Missed out the question
    Will you manage the club next year and for the next years?

    Guess what Carvers answer was?

    That’s your 3 yess

  • 2_goal_tino

    May 6, 2015 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #13

    If Cisse and Dummett are fit I say the following for the West Brom game:

    Sissoko—-De Jong—–Perez

    We can’t defend to save our lives, may as well try and score some goals. Perez has been excellent in the wing this season and for Tenerife last season. Despite the normal criticism of small attacking players from the continent, he does his work defensively excellently. The defence is thread bare to say the least and in an ideal world Anita and Taylor wouldn’t be anywhere near the first team squad. But it is better than losing Colback from the centre of the pitch (massive loss against Sunderland) or playing any of our younger guys who aren’t ready (only one who could be is Good at LB but I assume he is still injured).

  • Lindisfarne

    May 6, 2015 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #14
  • spitfire_

    May 6, 2015 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #15

    “Without meaning to be disrespectful to John”

    Ed, I love the way you speak about Carver. Smooth and gentle.

    Wonder what he must do to force you to call him “clueless”, “spineless”, “hopeless”, “gutless” and other “less”-es. Obviously to be the worst manager isn’t enough.

    BTW, we want a real poll.

  • spitfire_

    May 6, 2015 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #16

    Should be surprised that Carver answer with “yes” to the three questions? I mean, he is a positive guy, and the positive guys says “yes” all the time. Right?

  • hibbit

    May 6, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #17

    spitfire….. carver is all of that and more but what does that make the the man who gave him the job

  • scout

    May 6, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #18

    Is Barnetta still locked in the broom cupboard in Jesmond?

  • hibbit

    May 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #19

    scout that lad at jesmond dene was good use to love his under cover posts

  • Sir Braveheart

    May 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #20

    You missed the key point there Ed – if he had to ask if Carver could win back the dressing room he’s acknowledging that the club know he’s lost the dressing room in the first place.

    That for me is automatic removal from the role. Once you’ve lost the dressing room you’ll never win it back.

  • Graeme

    May 6, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #21

    We are starting to have an effect on SD now – the point is being driven home!!!


    Ed, when are you going to do the poll? Do you support the protests against Mike Ashley’s ownership of NUFC? Yes or NO.


  • hibbit

    May 6, 2015 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #22

    are you lads and lasses getting sd ads on this site it wont be long

  • scout

    May 6, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #23



  • davetoon

    May 6, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #24

    Not sure I am going to be able to watch the game if the mackems beat everton in the earlier game. No doubt the players will be bricking it as well

  • stuart no9

    May 6, 2015 at 10:37 AM

    Comment #25

    I think people need to calm Down a bit . Forget the last 8 games , we were unlucky . Carvers a Geordie , he’s sat in the dug out with SBR and he’s worked with some great managers . He knows what he’s doing and will useall that experience to put us where we belong , a top 6 is still possible we just need a win .
    Collo read out a letter written by ashley “please come to SJP on Saturday ” so there you have it, they have decided to play football on Saturday but only if everyone turns up otherwise forget it . F@@king tosh .

  • Slank

    May 6, 2015 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #26

    Graeme @ 21

    I wouldn’t read anything into anything that the Mag prints.

    Has the SD bottom line been affected ? No.
    Has the City said anything ? No.
    Have the SD shareholders bailed out ? No.
    Has the SD share price collapsed ? No.
    Are the police investigating SD ? No.

  • Mister Tuff

    May 6, 2015 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #27

    The Mag are only reprinting what “Business Insider” are reporting.


  • John Tudor

    May 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #28

    shares fell 14p

  • Blackley and Brownlie

    May 6, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #29

    The ship’s listing and Charnley, the tea boy’s rearranging the deck chairs.

    The astute fans predicted this debacle. The club arrogantly ignored them. The club will carry on business as usual no matter what happens. The Fans Forum has given it an opportunity for open dialogue. The club pays it lip service.

    Let them get on with it. They’re beyond help.

  • Lindisfarne

    May 6, 2015 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #30

    The defence has depended on an unreliable midfield all season, now with only one recognisable senior defender available they need to go back to basics, a flat 442:


    After 8 successive defeats they need to concentrate on not conceding, have two compact lines with no space for them to play through.

  • John Tudor

    May 6, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #31

    4-1-4- 1 is the way to play chuck the younguns in spineless carvup

  • lesh

    May 6, 2015 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #32

    Charnley ought to be sacked as he appears so naive and lacking judgement it’s unbelievable he was ever appointed as MD.

    The questions should never have been asked of Carver as results say enough to inform anyone that he’s not up to the job of HC, let alone even been appointed in the first place.

    What I find even more astonishing is that Ashley’s seemingly just become aware of the state of the Club. Surely he must follow results and should have asked questions earlier?

    And, for crying out loud, how the hell he couldn’t see Charnley’s weaknesses before appointing him MD beats me.

    What does one have to do to get a senior post with Ashley, breath on a mirror and if it steams up, you’re in?

    Ashley’s not beyond criticism as he’s presided over a shambles for near on eight years!

    And as for Carver, well…… his three answers show just how deluded the man is ad there’s one thing for sure, when he leaves Newcastle United, he’ll never get a half-decent football job again.

  • John Tudor

    May 6, 2015 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #33

    no square pegs in round holes dipshit

  • John Tudor

    May 6, 2015 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #34

    tynemouth council are looking for an assistant groundsperson

  • John Tudor

    May 6, 2015 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #35

    its yours jc

  • scout

    May 6, 2015 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #36


    I’ve just had to practically peel myself off the floor after reading that breath on a mirror comment. Class

  • Cuppak

    May 6, 2015 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #37

    There’s a really big problem now….

    I was searching for news and just found this:


    And like this:


    These are really good ideas and i think Ashley should try it… there’s nothing to loose now!

  • scout

    May 6, 2015 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #38

    Carver should be working with them binmen on BBC2. Looking for a few old elephants and dealing with heavily soiled items.

  • Ciaran

    May 6, 2015 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #39

    Scout from a few threads back,

    Are you making your way to Wembley this weekend? Should be a good day out watching a club with some ambition! Think I’ll fish out my MAOC t-shirt though (mainly because I haven’t got a North Shields one!)

    Interesting that Bigi was interviewed as saying that relegation could be good for us. In what context is he saying this? Is it pure speculation or does he know something that we don’t? I.e. that MA would bugger off if we went down? I’d be surprised if he knew anything like that, but I am curious as to what context he is speaking.

  • Blackley and Brownlie

    May 6, 2015 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #40

    There’s no doubt in my mind that Ashley’s soft underbelly is SD. The shareholders and the City will not like the bad publicity that NUFC fans have shown they can generate.

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