Carver – It’s The Players – They Just Aren’t Good Enough

The team we had out today at QPR is very much like the one Alan Pardew played when we had six wins on the trot after a poor start to the season – so how come these players have become such bad players under John Carver this year?

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John Carver – it’s the players – they aren’t good enough
Inference – I am good enough if I had the tools

The job of a coach is to get the very best out of players available, and good coaches transform sides and players too – and get them winning – and bad coaches start to lose games.

Tony Pulis took over a West Brom squad from Alan Irvine and suddenly made them into a much better side with the players looking a lot better than when Irvine was in charge.

Alan Pardew took over a poor side Crystal Palace from Neil Warnock, and quickly got them playing well together, and they are now 9 points above Newcastle after their 3-1 win at Anfield today – and they were 10 points behind us when Alan left the club.

This is what John Carver has said about our last game against West Ham – which if our memory is correct – is much the same as he said about the games at Leicester and QPR – both of which we lost to teams below us in the league:

“This is the biggest game this football club has faced in a long, long time.”  “I want the same atmosphere we had against West Brom last weekend because it could be the fans who actually get us across the line and keep our Premier League status.”

“The most important thing is that it is in our hands. I said to the guys in the dressing room, if you want it enough you can do something about it.”

“I’m really disappointed because I thought we were in control in the first half… then we shot ourselves in the foot in a mad spell in the second half.”  “The players have given everything.”  “They’ve had a go but sometimes the quality isn’t there, you’re just not good enough.”

“It’s a huge football club and you’ve got to have that personality to deal with wearing the shirt. We will find out next weekend.”

Even if the players are poor and not good enough, a good coach will very rarely criticize his players in public, as John Carver has done on too many occasions this year.

He’s also accused one of his players of deliberately getting himself sent off – what nonsense.

And when Lee Charnley said they would keep John in place after eight defeats in a row a couple of weeks ago, 93% of the fans in our poll wanted him fired.

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Most fans thought that was a huge  mistake and we would get relegated – certainly we expected to get relegated.

However, we may be lucky and Hull City may not be able to catch us – but one point in our last two games is hardly an improvement.

Maybe Carver would be well advised to look at some of the stupid things he says in his press conferences, and maybe the reason his players are not playing for him is right there.

And maybe John should look at his own league record before being quick to criticize his players.

Two wins and four draws for 10 points in 18  games is what he’s done this year in the league – and over a season that would give us 21 points and certain relegation.

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After being in 9th place with 26 points exactly half way through the season, we could still be relegated if Hull can beat Manchester United next Sunday.

We’ve had one draw and nine defeats in our last 10 games, and it’s the players’ fault –  that’s what John Carver seems to think – because this is not the first time he has said that.

And that’s one of the reasons John  is a very poor coach, and way out of his depth in managing Newcastle.

It’s been a huge mistake by Lee Charnley to have given him the interim job, and he’s added to that mistake by keeping him in the job two weeks ago –  and we could pay for that mistake by being a second division club next season.

You cannot keep blaming your players and expect them to play for you – that’s man-management rule number one.

John Carver doesn’t seem to understand that.

Comments welcome.

42 comments so far

  • scout

    May 16, 2015 at 10:25 PM

    Comment #1

    Might as well not have Carver in, whatever you do john change it coz its failing. Every week

  • jimiley

    May 16, 2015 at 10:30 PM

    Comment #2

    The difference between Keegan and Ashley? One is like caring for your loving mother and the other is caring for her corpse. This club is dead.

  • Jail for Ashley

    May 16, 2015 at 10:31 PM

    Comment #3

    I don’t believe for one single minute that 283 think that JC should not be fired, unless of course they are rougue.
    As I typed the theme tune to MoTD came on, I felt nauseous and switched over.

  • Toon Tang

    May 16, 2015 at 10:32 PM

    Comment #4

    The True Geordie sums it up perfectly eh…


  • Toon Tang

    May 16, 2015 at 10:34 PM

    Comment #5

    Get him in instead of frigging Carvdew pleaaaasssee

  • BandB

    May 16, 2015 at 10:35 PM

    Comment #6

    “greater love hath no man than this – that he lay down his friends for his life.”

  • Spitfire

    May 16, 2015 at 10:38 PM

    Comment #7

    The definition of madness is endlessly repeating the same thing in the expectation of a different outcome.
    Sound familiar?

  • toon22

    May 16, 2015 at 10:39 PM

    Comment #8


    Who is manager is irrelevant

  • NezzaNUFC

    May 16, 2015 at 10:45 PM

    Comment #9

    So Carver it’s the players fault?

    Oh yeah we all forgot that it’s the players who set up the style, the philosophy, the tempo and the formation itself.

  • Blackley and Brownlie

    May 16, 2015 at 10:45 PM

    Comment #10

    Watch the true geordie. He says we’re down. So anything else is a bonus.

    Which means you won’t get too upset when we’re down because you’ve had a week to gradually come to terms with it. Knowing the dire situation from the start of the season, Blackley’s had plenty of time to get used to the idea and not be upset when it happens.

  • Blackley and Brownlie

    May 16, 2015 at 10:48 PM

    Comment #11

    Steve Bruce looks ill.

  • Belfast

    May 16, 2015 at 10:49 PM

    Comment #12

    You’re still picking the bloody team though Basset aren’t you? You ain’t good enough yourself.

  • Blackley and Brownlie

    May 16, 2015 at 10:54 PM

    Comment #13

    Bruce has turned into Peter kay.

  • BandB

    May 16, 2015 at 11:01 PM

    Comment #14

    If we survive, the council should give the freedom of the city to rosy-cheeked Stevie Bruce.
    A clown might have realised that saying what a smashing and underrated manager Al was ahead of that crucial Hull game was likely to raise the spirits of a rudderless Newcastle team while inferring that his own lads should “go easy on them.”
    I thought he would live to regret it, and he will. Two points p*ssed away.
    The sound of Big Alan sympathising with Steve and saying what a fine and underrated manager he is is deafening now, isn’t it, Steve?
    You were warned….

  • lochinvar

    May 16, 2015 at 11:04 PM

    Comment #15

    So John you tell the players that they’re not good enough?
    That is perhaps the single worst piece of people Management that I have ever come across.
    They have every right to refuse to work for you and to tell you to go and put your head where the sun don’t shine.
    Check out Clive Woodward, Ian McGeechan, Alex Ferguson, Seve Ballesteros to name but a few.
    Respect, integrity and motivation are a few qualities to check out.
    Abandon hope all ye who enter in

  • Pokat

    May 16, 2015 at 11:07 PM

    Comment #16

    Funny there was no real surprise today no shock just the conclusion that we really are that bad after all. it’s what it is girls it’s what it is. I’m actually going to go to the west ham game and take up what was near as dammit my old pew in section c gallowgate to witness history . I want to be there to see it happen to say I was there that day.

  • spitfire_

    May 16, 2015 at 11:10 PM

    Comment #17

    The gob shut, Carver. The gob shut.

  • Pokat

    May 16, 2015 at 11:11 PM

    Comment #18

    And I forgot to add that I won’t be back again unless mike changes his stance or sells up. it’s not being in the championship that bothers me been there done that and funny enough enjoyed it, it’s being in the championship with Ashley as an owner. In fact it’s being in any league with him as an owner.

  • Pokat

    May 16, 2015 at 11:12 PM

    Comment #19

    As Lloyd said to Harry ” we’re in a hole – we’ve got to dig ourselves out!”

  • Sir Braveheart

    May 16, 2015 at 11:15 PM

    Comment #20

    I think the stadium will be full next week, and I think the support will be there.


    If we lose and Hull win, I’m thoroughly expecting the fans to revolt and rip all accessible sports direct hoardings down,invade the pitch and kick Carver out the stadium.

    Not that I’m advocating it you understand, I just expect it.

  • lesh

    May 16, 2015 at 11:18 PM

    Comment #21

    Just seen Carver on MoTD – astonishing!

    Words to the effect that ‘We’ll sit down in the summer to see what’s gone wrong’)

    We’ll sit down…. We!

    It’s as though Carver sees himself remote from responsibility and therefore beyond criticism!

    That’s me speculating but judging by his utterances and over-confidence over recent months, his words, his behaviour’s following the pattern.

  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    May 16, 2015 at 11:22 PM

    Comment #22

    No Carver you sir are not good enough !

    Playing Sissoko in the middle when he is useless there playing Ryan Taylor when you have Abeid on the bench
    Playing Jonas at LB when Anita had his best game last week

    Not starting with Cisse and Aarons at the start we could have been out of sight in the first half if we had went for it

    Not changed tactics as soon as we were losing the midfield battle


  • toon kk

    May 16, 2015 at 11:23 PM

    Comment #23

    Well let’s hope Hull lose to ManU because one thing for sure we’ll lose to West Ham.
    We are f poor,
    Watched Boro play off game on sky and they’re way above us, more quality, energy and organisation.
    We’d really struggle even if we go down.

  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    May 16, 2015 at 11:25 PM

    Comment #24

    Thats the thing Boro have been in the doldrums a bit like Southampton were but they have rebuilt and now have a good youth system and are playing football the right way

  • Jail for Ashley

    May 16, 2015 at 11:26 PM

    Comment #25

    I said a few months ago that it was inconceivable that we couldn’t get five points from our last 12 games, how very fcukin wrong I was !

  • bettyswallocks

    May 16, 2015 at 11:31 PM

    Comment #26

    Carver is the biggest embarrassment we have ever had to endure as a spokesman for the club.

    Everyone in the game and most of the media feel too sorry for him to criticise as he’s so obviously a half wit.

    He’s been in the background for so long dreaming of his chance of glory, it’s clearly too much for his simple mind and he’s imploded.

    He’s not just a disgrace to the Geordie nation , he’s a disgrace to the human race.

  • Mister Tuff

    May 16, 2015 at 11:40 PM

    Comment #27

    I see the master multiple – Ian Toon made an appearance earlier – seemed just for the purpose of having a dig.
    He mentioned about looking back at posts – normally he’s wrong about most things but today he was spot on.
    We can look back and see him sending posts to himself when he was pissed, using one of his aliases -still the best laugh on here by far.
    Looking back again he coughs to sending a love letter to King Percy after he left.
    What a knacker.
    Seeing he’s stated he’ll be at the West Ham game -we’ll probably have to endure yet another of his tall (fabricated) stories about meeting West Ham fans in the pub who all think King Percy is a top manager. Quite embarrassing really.

    See Blackley has been on spouting a whole load of complete rubbish -as usual in his third person presentation. Most annoying – so annoying on two fronts.
    Another knacker.

  • Jail for Ashley

    May 16, 2015 at 11:40 PM

    Comment #28

    He will 100% take the job if, and when he is offfered. Now that Ashleys model has been exposed there is no manager in the world that is financially secure that will take the job.

  • Shot Bru

    May 16, 2015 at 11:41 PM

    Comment #29

    totally agree bettyswallocks.

    Carver is an absolute lunatic.

    I honestly believe he will start out next season as our HC.

    Who on earth is going to come and work as a HC for Ashley and his crew!!

  • bettyswallocks

    May 16, 2015 at 11:48 PM

    Comment #30

    I can’t understand why Ashley wants losers around him. Sycophants are preferred to credentials.

    The only credentials Carver displays during the game and when interviewed are how to perform cunnilingus.

  • Jail for Ashley

    May 16, 2015 at 11:50 PM

    Comment #31

    Ian Toon has been well and truly exposed as, pushy pardew, john irving and many more, he has absolutely ruined any credibility of his/theirs.

  • lochinvar

    May 16, 2015 at 11:52 PM

    Comment #32

    And how many years have you been coaching and involved with these players then John ?
    You just got found out

  • lochinvar

    May 16, 2015 at 11:54 PM

    Comment #33

    Carver and Kinnear together in matching shell suits – Tweedledum and Tweedledee

  • stripes1009

    May 17, 2015 at 12:12 AM

    Comment #34

    Think you should walk now John Carver. If I was one of your players and read the comments you have allegedly made, l would think ‘stuff you’!
    They say a bad workmen blames his tools you have some fantastic talent at your disposal and you do not have the ‘know-how’ to bring the best out of them.
    I have supported Newcastle United for longer than you have been on this planet and you and you alone have turned safety into possibility of relegation.
    The best coach in the Premiership…..what a joke…..

  • bettyswallocks

    May 17, 2015 at 12:13 AM

    Comment #35

    I might be wrong. It could be arse licking credentials that Carver is rehearsing.

  • Goofy

    May 17, 2015 at 12:17 AM

    Comment #36

    Deck u Cardick, it’s all up to Manure beating beating Hull, we ain’t gonne beat West ham on our current form and they are the better team, plus fat Sam’s gonna wanna stick one on us. Me personally think Manure will do us a favour, albeit undeservedly. Next season’s gonna be all the same, almost time to throw the towel in for the Toons future but I’m a glutton for punishment with odd hope. HWTF/HWTL

  • Oldgit1

    May 17, 2015 at 12:24 AM

    Comment #37

    It is so fcuking obvious what carver is up to and I’m surprised all you that post on here are not aware.

    Carver wants us to be relegated because if we stay up he will be booted out and he is convinced he will remain HC if in the championship.

    There you go, and he has got what he wanted. It would be just his luck if hull get beat making us safe, he will then proclaim himself to be a hero( in his eyes only)

    How else can you justify his team selections, Ryan Taylor I ask you. No abied, and dropping Anita.

    Carver you are a fool, get out of my club and take stone with you. Now I am totally pissed off.

  • usmagpie

    May 17, 2015 at 12:43 AM

    Comment #38

    ED I wish we could send True Geordies video to John Carver to he could watch it and then show the players.
    Sorry John but you picked the team, any one in there right mind could see after ten minutes that cabella didn’t have any clue. It takes a real manager to make a sub that early and you should have done that, as for Ryan Taylor, pulling out of a challenge that means life and death for the supporters is a 100% NO NO!
    I’m hoping no pray to god that Man U get the win next weekend cause we aint beating West Ham.

  • chuck

    May 17, 2015 at 6:23 AM

    Comment #39

    Do us a favor John and fall on your sword, you just ain’t the best coach in the PL there are better pub team coaches than you, so like I said, do us and yourself a favor and just leave as you have no credibility.


    May 17, 2015 at 6:46 AM

    Comment #40

    With someone else picking the Team we would of won against QPR easily !

    Carver is 10cents short of a Euro and is completely unfit to be coaching us and if the Club can,t see that then we will go down ?

    Next year will be another year of suffering and strife because in our present state the top 6 clubs in the Championship are all playing better than us !

    Lets face it, if we don,t go down this year we will be favourites to take the drop next year, the true geordie is completely right and if we drop this time we will not be coming straight back up like we did with Chris Hughton?
    Were Fekked !



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