Why Top Coaches Will Reject Newcastle This Summer

There was news in the Chronicle today that Remi Garde has cooled his interest in the Newcastle job – and that probably means he wouldn’t take the Newcastle job if it was offered to him – assuming we are still a Premier League club next Sunday.

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Remi Garde – only one coach who has had second thoughts

But the way the club has plummeted down the league table this year and gained one point from the last 10 games,  good coaches will be looking at Newcastle and thinking that’s one club they don’t want to manage.

We have John Carver telling everybody the players aren’t good enough, and we have had protests from the fans – starting with Alan Pardew – who finally had enough of the abuse in late December and left the club – and  now there are protests against Mike Ashley – which is eerily similar to what happened in our relegation year six years ago.

Pardew has now has gained 19 points this year at Crystal Palace on Newcastle – so he cannot be that bad – and certainly a lot lot better and more experienced and not as naive as a certain John Carver.

Be careful what you wish for.

Newcastle are not  a stable club,  and certainly not one that is set up for success say like a Swansea  City or Southampton are with very good managers in place.

We have said before that the way Newcastle is run by Mike Ashley will turn off a number of top coaches, because it’s simply not set up to be successful – but set up to make money and to advertise worldwide for Sports Direct.

In the triumvirate that runs the club with Lee Charnley and Graham Carr – the coach has little say in who comes into the club.

Lee Charnley described the head coach job as basically taking the players Newcastle get – and then getting  the very best out of them – and we noticed when John Carver got the job he kept saying that’s what he loves doing.

Yeah right.

And Mike Ashley’s habit of selling his best players whenever the right offer comes in,  will help ensure that any new coach that comes through the door will find it very difficult to take Newcastle to any success.

So we think Remi gave up the ghost on Newcastle a month or two ago,  as he watched the club in another mess of its own making.

Anybody following Newcastle this year with John Carver in charge can hardly have been impressed by the club. the coaches or the players.

And what good coach would touch Newcastle with a barge pole this summer – and that’s assuming we are still in the Premier League.

If we are relegated to the Championship it’s all over, and that’s John Carver’s best chance of getting the job.

You would think anybody who had managed to take Newcastle from a mid table side to fighting relegation in a short three months would have no chance of staying in the job and would be fired.

But Newcastle is not a proper club and there’s a clique and John Carver is part of that clique – on that case it”s not what your know but who you know.

If we are relegated and if Ashley follows the same mode of operation he followed back in 2009, he will not appoint a new coach as he dithers, and whoever is available on July 1st will get a chance to coach the club.

That was Chris Hughton six years ago, and of course Chris was just fantastic for us and was a great man-manager, who the players respected and played for.

This time it could be John Carver, but he has none of the characteristics that Chris Hughton has – and heaven help us all if John gets the job this summer.

Did you ever hear Chris Hughton say his player weren’t good enough?

And Chris Hughton had passion and pride managing the Newcastle club – he just didn’t talk about it – but was busy getting the results – like 30 wins in 46 Championship games and a record 106 points to get us promoted as Champions.

Chris never even said he was the best manager in the Championship – because he was a good man and a gentleman through and through.

Chris Hughton was great for Newcastle for 18 months and we’ll never forget that.

He was fired in early December of 2010.

This year John Carver has been a complete disaster for Newcastle and he could end up in getting us relegated – and that’s really hard to do given where we were at the end of February – but it’s now more than likely.

169 comments so far

  • John Tudor

    May 18, 2015 at 4:21 PM

    Comment #1

    Tomorrow’s headlines include ‘Williamson ponders Brazil offer’, ‘John Carver expected to turn down Real Madrid to finish the job he’s started at Newcastle’ and ‘Riviere’s recent hot scoring run catches Deschamps’ eye’.

  • dave 1961

    May 18, 2015 at 4:24 PM

    Comment #2


    From the last thread i actually agree with a lot of things you say but we have a war to win and we can only do it by being bigger p*icks than Ashley
    being insulting towards him and his empire i will insult his brands and anyone who buys from him, he will look for a way out if we keep the fight going, i have seen more since from posters on this site that i see from Carver but cavers the brick and Ashley’s the thrower.

  • hibbit

    May 18, 2015 at 4:24 PM

    Comment #3

    cockroaches or rats droppings the odd grass snake could do a job we have fans around the world none of his shops would be safe

  • Ibizatoon

    May 18, 2015 at 4:25 PM

    Comment #4

    “Be careful what you wish for”

    Be careful what you accept.

  • John Tudor

    May 18, 2015 at 4:25 PM

    Comment #5

    ashley still here, penfold and carver and relegated =empty stadium = no casino cash

  • hibbit

    May 18, 2015 at 4:28 PM

    Comment #6

    sd should be the target it’s the only way to get him

  • Ibizatoon

    May 18, 2015 at 4:31 PM

    Comment #7

    hibbit…For me, it is one of many ways to get at him. The more avenues the better.

    Clearly, from the “clubs” reactions to recent fans protests / boycotts, it is working.

  • Transfer Sage

    May 18, 2015 at 4:32 PM

    Comment #8

    We’d need to actually approach a top coach first for him to turn us down.

  • lochinvar

    May 18, 2015 at 4:32 PM

    Comment #9

    Top Coaches won’t reject Newcastle this Summer…what they will reject is Ashley and Chanley – enough to put anyone off.
    Then there’s the A team of Carver and Stone just to guarantee rejection.

  • posada

    May 18, 2015 at 4:34 PM

    Comment #10

    John Carver
    Pick this team. It’s the team that beat Liverpool earlier in the season. Only change being Williamson for S.Taylor.
    If Williamson is not up to it then find a solution. Be a Leader, be a Manager.
    Problem is I don’t think you will. Give us something to support.
    On Sunday if I see R.Taylor and Jonas lining up I will know we are beaten from the start. Two brave lads, but not up to this.
    Pick this team and I can support it. If nothing else we will go down fighting. With some pride and some dignity.

    Krul Janmaat Collo Williamson Dummett
    Sissoko Abeid Colback Obertan Cisse Ameobi

  • Belfast

    May 18, 2015 at 4:35 PM

    Comment #11

    What coach in their right mind is going to accept the three not so wise men as their assistants ? Their record speaks for itself.

  • Transfer Sage

    May 18, 2015 at 4:38 PM

    Comment #12

    For me going into the last game we should select the following side.

    Krul – speaks for itself
    janmaat- only right back but very good
    colo and wilo – little other options
    dummet – only left back

    so the back takes care of itself, then:

    Abeid and colback – in more holding roles, both use the ball relatively well in that position
    Sisosko – have him in front of them, not fantastic/consistent but best we have

    A front three would be cisse in the middle with aarons and perez either side.

    That attack has plenty of pace, so what if cisse and aarons can only make 55/60 minures, at least they are on from the start to make an impact. I’d rather push for goals early on then hold back with the defensive subs at the end, instead of bringing them on chasing the game.

  • Jail for Ashley

    May 18, 2015 at 4:39 PM

    Comment #13

    I would take the turmoil we’re in now over another highly predictable second half collapse next season.
    End this misery now !

  • spitfire_

    May 18, 2015 at 4:41 PM

    Comment #14

    But why? We are financially stable.

  • hibbit

    May 18, 2015 at 4:45 PM

    Comment #15

    this team could not fight it’s way out of a paper bag never mind the championship

  • Transfer Sage

    May 18, 2015 at 4:45 PM

    Comment #16


    As a fan I want to see what’s best for the team, that would usually mean playing in the top tier….currently though it doesn’t matter what level we play at as we aren’t trying to compete, just do he bare minimum to survive…therefore relegation is neither here nor there for me.

    People say Ashley won’t sell if we go down as he’d ask for too much…well he wouldn’t have a choice, either sell for a loss or have to spend good money on a decent coach and players (as a lot of them would be leaving) to get us back up or miss out on around 100mil of prem league money each year.

    He’s struggle to get this team back up as the last team which went down was full of tough characters, this side is made up of spineless cowards, led by a moron.

    So for me, any outcome on the weekend makes little difference.

  • posada

    May 18, 2015 at 4:47 PM

    Comment #17

    Transfer Sage
    Yeah I could support that as well mate.

    Keep it simple, get them to play without fear and have a go.
    The players would respond to that I think.

  • hibbit

    May 18, 2015 at 4:50 PM

    Comment #18

    sage and limited tv coverage in the championship for sd advertising only uk not world wide

  • posada

    May 18, 2015 at 4:54 PM

    Comment #19

    Lets have less talk of Ashley. The club is owned by a Big Shot Billionaire. No point in speculating about this and that. The only thing we can do is stay away.
    I have never advocated that as the match day experience is the only thing he has not been able to take away. But, enough is enough.
    The time for it though will be the start of next season.
    This week we must support the team.
    Only thing is, please John Carver, come up with something we can support.

  • lesh

    May 18, 2015 at 5:01 PM

    Comment #20

    Relegated or not, it would be madness to even retain Carver at the Club, let alone appoint him HC.

    He’s shown he cannot get the best out of players, he’s tactically clueless, inflexible and verbally embarrassing – to the Club and himself.

    I wonder whether he realises that he has, in a matter of four or so months, reduced his credibility and thus his chances of employability outside of Newcastle United to zero.

    He’s had opportunities to save his own reputation by putting his hands up and admitting that the HC role is just too much for him, but oh no, he’s allowed his own deluded self-confidence take the Club to the point of relegation. His arrogance far exceeding his ability.

    And where has Charnley and Ashley in all of this? Deciding that when relegation is a real real risk with a few games to go, that employing a short-term coach to try to avoid relegation involves to much risk! Since when is taking a risk to avoid a near certainty the wrong thing to do?

    But, the damage is done and we’re reliant on Manu beating Hull to save the Club from the drop.

    Another successful season from Ashley? Oh yes, another fine season, success beyond one’s wildest dreams.

  • hibbit

    May 18, 2015 at 5:04 PM

    Comment #21

    if we stay up ashley is the big winner not us

  • dok - the horrid colonial

    May 18, 2015 at 5:15 PM

    Comment #22

    this club has sucked out any little amount of joy I had left…

  • mindshaft

    May 18, 2015 at 5:22 PM

    Comment #23

    I doubt even Ashley , Charnley nor Carver would have guessed we would only get 1 POINT FROM 30
    That must be a record, anyone could manage that, especially given some of the sides we’ve played.
    You could just park the bus and get more points than that.

    Carver surely won’t be in charge next season

    I’ve already written my application form

  • mecannylad

    May 18, 2015 at 5:22 PM

    Comment #24

    I would dearly love some respected, senior scribe or celebrity broadcaster to attempt to contact Mike Ashley (or his representative) to ask the following simple question;
    “Mr Ashley, this Sunday sees Newcastle United play probably its most important game since you became owner. Will you be there?”
    The reply – either way – would be seismic.

  • Jail for Ashley

    May 18, 2015 at 5:29 PM

    Comment #25

    I’d like to see bills son explain tge actions of our best ever owner instead of acting like a coward. He was very quick out of retirement when we went on that six game winning run an eternity ago.

  • lochinvar

    May 18, 2015 at 5:43 PM

    Comment #26

    Spot on – how come no hack, TV journalist or anyone else for that matter has shown the slightest bit of interest in tracking down and interviewing Ashley.
    It it’s a minor celeb, politician, union leader or underrated pop star they are all over them like a rash.
    Where are the paparatazzi ?
    How come Ashley avoids all that attention.
    Has he paid them off ?
    A well placed microphone or tele photo lens stuck in the right place might make him feel uncomfortable in more ways than one

  • armchair fan

    May 18, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    Comment #27

    Was speaking to my dad today, a ManU fan and it was getting pretty heated.

    He said basically as an outsider (Manc living in North East) he said that Newcastle’s fans have always been too ambitious, we always want more which is a beautiful thing and why our city always has 52000 fans at every game, even when we hit the Championship we were getting 45000 which was unheard of.

    However, we’ll never be the best because we don’t give anyone time. Even the great Sir Bobby, we were calling for him to be sacked when we finished 5th.

    Had me thinking, it is true and whoever does come to manage this club will always have that pressure ie Pardew. That’s the thing, we have a top 4 team fanbase with no owner to match it.

  • mfw13

    May 18, 2015 at 5:45 PM

    Comment #28

    Of course top coaches will reject Newcastle…you’d have to be certifiably insane to want to work for Mike Ashley!

  • Jail for Ashley

    May 18, 2015 at 5:52 PM

    Comment #29

    I hope Kevin Nolan didn’t read this site when he was sold, the amount of apologists that happily accepted that he had greedily demanded a five year contract and said we were better off without him. He could have been absolutely instrumental that season we played in Europe and wouldn’t have allowed such catastrophic collapses had he been captain, he was removed because he wasn’t an Ashley yes man, how we could do with some characters like him in the side now.

  • Jail for Ashley

    May 18, 2015 at 5:56 PM

    Comment #30

    It is very rare that a PL manager quits his job yet in eight years Mike Ashley has had two managers quit and another having a heart attack.

  • Jail for Ashley

    May 18, 2015 at 5:58 PM

    Comment #31

    Jeez, it’s like an Ashley era SJP on here !

  • firebug666

    May 18, 2015 at 6:04 PM

    Comment #32

    So our final game will be on sky, That’s nice!

    Now we can watch them capitulate again, welcome to the fizzy pop.

  • mecannylad

    May 18, 2015 at 6:08 PM

    Comment #33

    Great minds and all that.
    Why oh why are the media not more ‘in-your-face’ intrusive with MA…… It would, one way or another, be great copy and fascinating viewing.
    I sometimes think that we fans are over complicating our protests to meet today’s corporate and politically correct world we live in.
    A bit more spontaneous, organic ‘action’ wouldn’t go amiss this Sunday.

  • Average_Contents

    May 18, 2015 at 6:09 PM

    Comment #34


    Let me guess.

    Long time reader first time poster?

    This blog has been inundated with the very same type of blogger over recent weeks/months yet the message remains the absolute same between you all.

    As soon as the protests started funnily enough.

    Funny that.

  • Mister Tuff

    May 18, 2015 at 6:13 PM

    Comment #35

    Mr Tubbs………………………………..OOT
    Selective retiree’s……………………….OOT
    Ian Toon’s posse……………………….OOT
    Owners of ride-on cyclomowers……OOT
    Other associated knackers……………OOT
    Ladies wrestling forum members…..OOT

  • firebug666

    May 18, 2015 at 6:15 PM

    Comment #36

    Newcastle fan and season ticket holder, the Reverend Jim Errington celebrated his 100th birthday on Thursday and reflected on his time supporting the club.

    His first United match was in the 1928/29 season, just missing out on seeing Newcastle United’s last league title win in 1927!

    The long serving fan revealed to the Chronicle that his early visits to St. James’ Park were thanks to a schoolteacher taking the boys as a reward for playing in the school team.

    The Reverend Errington being 13 when he first walked through the turnstiles at Newcastle United.

    After 87 years service, Jim has given a scathing verdict on today’s team, saying that this season is the most disappointing he has ever seen and points out that the current players have no passion or pride in playing for the club.

    Reverend Jim Errington:

    “The master that ran the (school) team used to take us to Newcastle United as a thank you for playing but what he didn’t know was he was showing me the way. I’ve been following that path ever since.”

    “This is the most disappointing of all the seasons I’ve seen, for them to be in a relegation place…they may make it but it depends.

    “We have lost the passion, the pride that playing for Newcastle and playing in the North East meant.”

  • optimistic prime

    May 18, 2015 at 6:17 PM

    Comment #37

    I think I’ll be taking a long walk Sunday

  • toon kk

    May 18, 2015 at 6:17 PM

    Comment #38

    Fans have accepted mediocre football for along time, they’ve paid good money to watch dross quite happily. You can’t blame MA for that, he’s provided a cheap service for extremely gullible fickle fans.
    Boycott and leave Mash with his self inflicted mess.

  • Average_Contents

    May 18, 2015 at 6:19 PM

    Comment #39

    Oh and seriously? He hasn’t taken the matchday experience away?

    He’s not merely taken it away. He’s decimated it to the point where the atmosphere has been sucked from the ground akin to the way a black hole in the cosmos engulfs anything that is in close proximity to it.

    Much like the club itself has been engulfed by shite defect.con

    In essence we no longer exist as a club. We are a corporate shell. A none entity of a sporting institution that refuses to compete.

    We have become “part of the family” of his cheap tat empire.

  • Thump

    May 18, 2015 at 6:23 PM

    Comment #40

    @Posada: I have never advocated that as the match day experience is the only thing he has not been able to take away.

    Have you been to a match recently? You can hear a pin drop, mate. It has been decimated.

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