This Is Not Good News For Newcastle


In order to remain in the Premier League and save ourselves, we have to beat West Ham on Sunday – but there’s a very low 14% in our poll for the game, that think we can do that.

So it seems our best (only?) chance to remain a Premier League side is that Hull City don’t beat Manchester United.

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John Carver – fans not confident Carver can deliver in last game

And John Carver has again talked a good game this week, but we’ve heard it all before from John, and it’s not clear how the lads will play on Sunday.

But we do hope they play really well and win the game  – that would be a good end to one of our worst seasons for many years.

And there’s news that Newcastle players will not do their usual “lap of honor” and that’s the right decision – they haven’t earned it – and certainly should not be out on the field with their families.

If the disaster scenario does take place and we are relegated – it’s not going to be very nice after the game – that’s for sure – and that’s a huge understatement.

If we cannot win on Sunday, it will bring the season to an end and a terrible 11 game streak without a win, and we will have been bottom of the league in the second half of the season.

That would not be good for our chances at the start of next season – as we saw at the beginning of this season – after losing seven of our last eight games in the previous season.

That’s assuming we stay in the Premier League – and you cannot accuse Newcastle of finishing a season strongly  – and we are limping over the finish line again – if we can make it this time.

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42 comments so far

  • Ibizatoon

    May 21, 2015 at 2:02 PM

    Comment #1

    Ed…Has there been any good news for Newcastle lately?

    Not sure the headline is much of a headline tbh.

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  • hibbit

    May 21, 2015 at 2:02 PM

    Comment #2

    if you must go to the game DON’T WERE WONGA thank you

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  • dave 1961

    May 21, 2015 at 2:08 PM

    Comment #3

    I for one feel sorry for Carver he’s going down in folk-law as our worst ever manager when he should never have been given the job,
    One man to blame and we know who he is, Porkie the fat cockney Bast*rd

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  • HarriboNo9

    May 21, 2015 at 2:15 PM

    Comment #4

    One thing from a recovery prospective is concentrate on the positives instead of the negatives. I hope John carver has been using that method this week and please Ed can we do some stories that do the same. There’s always some if small positives to be said

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  • Jail for Ashley

    May 21, 2015 at 2:16 PM

    Comment #5

    dave1961,
    The Leicester shambles was bad enough but when he went in front of the cameras to say he had nothing to-do with transfers ”So you can’t get me on that” it was so obvious then that he was prepared to do what ever it took for the job yet he was so stupid that he didn’t think we’d see right through it. Lost all respect and any sympathy then.

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  • dave 1961

    May 21, 2015 at 2:22 PM

    Comment #6

    Jail for Ashley

    true and some would say he was complicit in his own downfall but we should not loose sight of the fact he had failed in his previous three attempts at management and if he was to be given a fourth it should never have been with us.
    Fail + Fail + Fail = Fail no matter who you do the maths.

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  • Trent Toon

    May 21, 2015 at 2:24 PM

    Comment #7

    So the best case scenario to the last in order:

    1) We play shiite and lose heavily but hull can only draw giving everyone a huge fright and make fans super angry enough to remove the bstard

    2) We win and then hull also win (damn we are lucky/everyone gets a fright)

    3) We win and Hull lose (some fans will probably settle for that and then start supporting the regime again)

    .. and worst case (or for some best case)

    4)We lose and Hull wins… Relegation

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  • Belfast

    May 21, 2015 at 2:27 PM

    Comment #8

    So did they launch the kit with the old wonga logo on it then ?

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  • Ibizatoon

    May 21, 2015 at 2:29 PM

    Comment #9

    Trent…I am still waiting for someone to explain to me why it’s so important for us fans that the club remains in the PL?

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  • sweendog

    May 21, 2015 at 2:29 PM

    Comment #10

    as tony cottee has just been quoted as saying, Newcastle could wallop west ham .. we should be approaching the game with this mentality, tell the players if they play well they’ll be remembered for it .. rather than the last 12 games .. also my money is on Colback, Cisse and Perez to score .. 4 – 1 I reckon .. then we can protest afterwards ..

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  • Belfast

    May 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM

    Comment #11

    Sweendog West ham haven’t won away from home in 11-12 games or something like that. They’ll probably still beat us though lol

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  • Mister Tuff

    May 21, 2015 at 2:37 PM

    Comment #12

    Need to start preparations immediately for a big no for McLaren. Yesterdays man.
    We need somebody who can inspire others and it is not McLaren.

    Please no more about Obertron. Those who think he is even half decent need to re-evaluate their knowledge. He’s crap and pretty much always has been. Carver said he was on fire early season. No he wasn’t – he had obviously worked very hard in the summer on his physique and came back super fit – but regardless of that he is no PL player.
    For King Percy to sign him, for Carver to praise him and for anybody else believing them and thinking he can do a job in the PL – the ladies wrestling forum eagerly awaits you.

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  • Pokat

    May 21, 2015 at 2:40 PM

    Comment #13

    Don’t worry there’ll be an nice thick iron on plastic patch to go with your shirt lol

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  • Lynny

    May 21, 2015 at 2:45 PM

    Comment #14

    We’ll draw at the weekend and Hull have a bit fight in them, so they could very well win! It’s a sorry state of affairs when I’m thinking our fate is out of our hands! I’d rather have a ball boy at the helm than carver

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  • clinath@ed

    May 21, 2015 at 2:51 PM

    Comment #15

    Ibiza…..been discussing that issue with my family for weeks now. Too afraid to even mention it on here, in case one of the loons set about me…!
    So we get relegated, us fans get to see a more combative style of footie, less pansies out there. Can still compete for the cups (ha!). Something tangible and obtainable….promotion.
    Stay in the Prem, spend all year waiting for the enviable relegation battle, no chance of competing in the league for any honour, and the cups……
    Like someone said somewhere….you couldn’t make it up! HWTF.

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  • Pokat

    May 21, 2015 at 2:54 PM

    Comment #16

    I’d rather have a ball boy at the helm than carver you say lynny?

    Erm. What’s the difference there?

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  • sweendog

    May 21, 2015 at 2:56 PM

    Comment #17

    Belfast .. yep and they know the manager is away .. so nothing to play for except the fair play award to get into Europe .. so they don’t want any yellows or reds … a betting man would put money on us to win .. even with carver.

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  • Belfast

    May 21, 2015 at 3:05 PM

    Comment #18

    I don’t know sweendog. I think the players don’t like or respect the bloke at all, and I don’t blame them.

    If they do win they’ll be doing it for themselves, certainly not Carver.

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  • p

    May 21, 2015 at 3:10 PM

    Comment #19

    9 possible scenarios with Newcastle and Hull’s results I think.

    Only 2 would see us relegated and the other 7 would not.

    Still, the odds are move favourable with Russian roulette

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  • Ibizatoon

    May 21, 2015 at 3:10 PM

    Comment #20

    clinath…It’s an interesting one for me. The automatic answer is of course it’s worthwhile being in the PL! It’s the best league and where the riches are. But does that really help us as fans these days? I really don’t see it anymore.

    Our last relegation did give the club a chance to re-define itself. It was Ashleys choices since then that started the downward spiral.

    I was proud of our team in the Championship. I’d be proud of them whatever league, if they were trying to be the best they could be, rather than saying they can’t compete and then not trying.

    It just goes against everything the club is supposed to stand for as far as I am concerned.

    Then there is the added argument of which league is more likely to make Ashley look for an exit strategy.

    I can’t shake the idea it’s the one that offers him less money.

    Bottom line is, the fans don’t have the choice of what league we’re in – no matter how much the club are now trying to say we do.

    I wont be made to be afraid of it though in order to put my values to the side. After 8 years of this, I can’t believe anyone still takes on board and believes what the club says.

    What was the final outcome amongst your family?

    HWTF

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  • catchy in norway

    May 21, 2015 at 3:16 PM

    Comment #21

    jail

    not any type of Ashley fan at all, just looking at facts.

    Ashley is killing the club , that’s a fact, no one can deny that, but I’m betting most fans would put up with him if we had a manager that tried to win matches , go on cup runs , players and fans would be happier

    Ashley’s plan is only flawed by the personell he puts in place to do important jobs, it’s old school , getting jobs from friends of friends , not looking properly

    sad facts

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  • ScoopSouthAfrica

    May 21, 2015 at 3:18 PM

    Comment #22

    Well after last night which was very emotional for Meneer Dick Advocado, Sunderland got the point they needed…. Well done.
    Now we just have to win this remaining two horse race, so climb in JC and take all other permutations out of the bloody equation. You can cry first to see if it will work for you before the game. The squad maybe will take pity and take WHU to the cleaners (hears hoping).
    HWTL

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  • Ibizatoon

    May 21, 2015 at 3:30 PM

    Comment #23

    Catchy…No cup runs is the clubs policy, not the managers.

    Ashleys plan is flawed as far as fans are concerned. The people he hires are perfect for his plans – that is the fundamental issue imo.

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  • Ibizatoon

    May 21, 2015 at 3:32 PM

    Comment #24

    Let’s not forget the club were sad to see Pardew leave- he had done a good job as far as they were concerned.

    Recently, the board were still undecided as to whether they needed to be looking for a replacement for Carver this summer.

    I must ask, again, if this summer was to be the summer of change under Ashley – would they not be shouting it from the rooftops – of if you prefer, shouting it from the top of the terraces, standing on that huge SD sign?

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  • catchy in norway

    May 21, 2015 at 3:36 PM

    Comment #25

    ibiza

    I think p45 had a massive hand in that, he kept complain after he reached euro about the squad , p45 stopped rotating the squad half way through that season as if to try and force his point , it backfired and we suffered

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  • Ibizatoon

    May 21, 2015 at 3:40 PM

    Comment #26

    Catchy…I think, then again I would, that you are again putting too much blame on Pardew.

    Pardew went from being happy to be in the competition, to asking for more players, to saying he was happy with the sqaud, to saying “thank f*** we’re not in that anymore”.

    He got one extra player in Anita.

    I think we need to look at the cause and effect of our club. Pardew wasn’t the right man for our club, but he wasn’t the cause of our problems. He isn’t even here now.

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  • Munster Mag

    May 21, 2015 at 3:53 PM

    Comment #28

    Catchy. your views on Pardew have been pretty much discredited now. If Pardew had been allowed manage and choose the players he wanted, its likely we would have had a more physical, faster team. He belatedly found a way of playing that suited him and its ready made at palace. He was no genius – in fact he was quite poor for usbut I really wished he had stayed for the season because we would have been safe. The giuys who were shouting that Palace were gonners were wrong, and the SackPardew guys looks like the fools they are in the eyes of the british media

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  • Munster Mag

    May 21, 2015 at 3:55 PM

    Comment #29

    Ibiza , in part agreement with you. Its more fun beating Barnsley, than losing to Man U 🙂

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  • Our Toon

    May 21, 2015 at 3:57 PM

    Comment #30

    Munster

    What has pardew done at palace which warrants such praise? He bought Shola, Jordan Mutch, Lee Chung Yung, Papa Soaure and loaned Sanogo. Of his amazing signings only 1 plays.

    The players and palace management have come out and said they still work as they did under Pulis, especially for set pieces and defensive shape. Pre season is when pardew will stamp his authority on that team and losing 4 in a row is a sign of things to come

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  • Ibizatoon

    May 21, 2015 at 3:58 PM

    Comment #31

    Munster…I can’t go along with that either.

    Pardew was not great, but he was never the real problem – agreed.

    If he had stayed we may have done a bit better, but the issue is that we’re not going anywhere under Ashley.

    With Pardew gone, more focus is on Ashley. The excuses are running out and the shields are moving on.

    Pardew shouldn’t even be in our vocabulary anymore. A bit like “relegation” isnt in Carvers….it might have to be soon though.

    Carverballs: “That word (Relegation) is not even in my vocabulary, trust me.

    “All I’m thinking about is Saturday against QPR – go and win the game and then see what happens. If I start thinking about everything else…”

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  • Ibizatoon

    May 21, 2015 at 4:01 PM

    Comment #32

    Munster…Even take the constant losing out of it.

    This club stands for nothing anymore. If it takes dropping down a league to rid ourselves of these money obsessed values, surely that’s good for the club?

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  • bettyswallocks

    May 21, 2015 at 4:15 PM

    Comment #33

    Carverballs. … Go and win the game on Saturday and then see what happens. If I start thinking about everything else….. My tiny brain will shutdown and my primitive fighting instinct will kick in again. I’m a good fighter me like.

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  • andrew84

    May 21, 2015 at 4:28 PM

    Comment #34

    So Steve Stone opened a door and Carver told the players to walk through it if they weren’t up to the job.

    That’s straight out of Series 2 of The Office.

    I wonder if Carver also played a cassette of Tina Turner belting out “Simply the Best” before jogging out of the room with his baseball cap on the wrong way round?

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  • Average_Contents

    May 21, 2015 at 4:33 PM

    Comment #35

    Bettyswallocks

    I wonder where he keeps his club.

    Ug. Ug.

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  • bettyswallocks

    May 21, 2015 at 4:39 PM

    Comment #36

    Why don’t Carver(with a face like a robbers dog) and Stone(keep your cap on there’s a woodpecker flying about) play on Sunday and show them how true Geordie spirit can win the day, as oppose to skill and organisation.

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  • Belfast

    May 21, 2015 at 4:45 PM

    Comment #37

    As if any player was going to get up and leave the room. It would be professional suicide.

    More evidence of the dark age aggressive bullying type of management that Carver and his pals employ.

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  • bettyswallocks

    May 21, 2015 at 4:48 PM

    Comment #38

    Sir Bobby would be ashamed to see his protege turn out to be an aggressive bully.

    Fighting spirit alone with no method gets you where we are now.

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  • toon kk

    May 21, 2015 at 4:54 PM

    Comment #39

    Tbh last time we were relegated I was gutted, if we go down again I’m not really bothered. The club doesn’t belong in the prem league under MA.
    On Carver he obviously out of his depth, our squad lacks pace and has very little quality. Carver is actually trying to produce what the fans want, which is attacking football, but we don’t have the players. Not sure alot of people realise that. A quality manager sets up a team according to their opponents. Like Sunderland last night against a strong Arsenal. Thats why we’re always getting ripped apart.

    To sum us up—poor manager, budget sh.t squad, MA who just wants SD advertising.
    Sad thing some fans actually think we’re capable of being a top eight, I don’t know who they thought would get our goals.

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  • frogonthetyne

    May 21, 2015 at 4:59 PM

    Comment #40

    In 2009 when we last got relegated hull played man utd in the last game of the season. They lost 1-0 to a second string man u side. There’s always hope. Still hope we can win to ease the nerves.

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