Who’s Really Responsible For Newcastle’s Demise?


Because of our demise over the last three months some good news on one of our players has gone unreported to a large extent and Jonas Gutierrez has made a terrific and brave recovery from his testicular cancer, and has been one of Newcastle’s best players over the last several weeks.

jonas gutierrez at qpr

Jonas in action last week at QPR

In fact Jonas will probably be playing his last game for Newcastle tomorrow and he could be a key player for us against West Ham.

Jonas has tried to protect John Carver from the responsibility for the mess we have got ourselves into over the last three months as he has said this today:

“John Carver gives us the education to get the points. Then, on the pitch, we have to take responsibility for what is going on. Now we have to be together.”

“We are the players on the pitch – we try to do the best.” “I don’t like to think who is at fault,” “We are the players that are on the pitch, and we have to think what we’re doing wrong and to change it.”

“We have just one week, and we have to be focused.”

Newcastle have taken just one point from a possible 30 and it’s our worst run ever in the Premier League.

The players have to take responsibility for the mess because too many of them have not given 100% in our games this year.

And the responsibility also lies with Lee Charnley and Mike Ashley for not reinforcing the side in January when we had money available, and knew the squad was paper-thin.

But John has to take the responsibility for not being able to get the best out of the players available, which is a coach’s main job,

When you look at our six game winning streak under Alan Pardew in October and November (he’s made that seven wins in a row in his press conference yesterday), we were using essentially the same players that John Carver has had available for the last five or six weeks.

So John blaming the players is a bit disingenuous, and certainly not what leaders or good coaches d.

That’s one reason coaches often talk about “we” when they are referring to the team – so the coach is linked in with his players and they are all responsible.

So the responsibility for our terrible demise this year lies in different ways – at all levels of the club.

However, now is not the time to go on about this too much – because the fans at the game tomorrow are going to be very important.

They have to get right behind the lads tomorrow and try to roar them onto victory, which would save us at the death.

As John Carver has said – there will be an inquest at the end of the season as to what went wrong – but we first have to ensure we are still a Premier League side.

If we aren’t,  it will be an unmitigated disaster for the club – make no mistake about that.


28 comments so far

  • Dennis Twice

    May 23, 2015 at 8:50 AM

    Comment #1

    Attack Toon attack, attack!

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  • Pokat

    May 23, 2015 at 8:51 AM

    Comment #2

    Me I’m sorry it was me I admit it.

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  • BandB

    May 23, 2015 at 8:54 AM

    Comment #3

    You would really think from reading the blog last night that the argument is about which group of fans would be guilty of taking us down.

    If we go down, Ashley will have taken us down. Again.

    Eight years, One season in the Championship. Three relegation battles.
    He is a failed owner.

    Mike Ashley ….down…and OUT

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  • hibbit

    May 23, 2015 at 8:59 AM

    Comment #4

    only one man to blame MIKE ASHLEY

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  • John Tudor

    May 23, 2015 at 9:02 AM

    Comment #5

    anyone in charge

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  • Ron Knee

    May 23, 2015 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #6

    The Revisionist argument is two-pronged:
    1. If Pardew hadn’t been hounded out by supporters we would be safe from relegation under his excellent management.
    2. The Ashley Out campaign has affected players’ morale and that’s why the team keeps losing. If fans had shown undying faith in Carver & co. we wouldn’t be in a mess today.

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  • optimistic prime

    May 23, 2015 at 9:06 AM

    Comment #7

    Is this a trick question?

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  • geordiemark

    May 23, 2015 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #8

    mike Ashley and all his merry little bunch of a rseholes who are to blame for this as well as the players, the fans pay good money to watch a match the only problem we haven’t watched a decent match all season the buck stops at Ashley and co

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  • one fine day

    May 23, 2015 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #9

    Repost from previous
    Firebug666
    I giggled
    Then I laughed manically.
    Then I sat and wept at the darkness of where we’re at
    Then I thought this article is bull s@it .
    As if carver would to go chelsea when the Real Madrid job is still up in the air?
    Picture this if you may
    The first session at the bernabea ……
    Carver and el stoney….
    Reet Christiano no need for any more of them bendy shots unless we are playin three n in with a penny floater. Now son I want you to hoawk it up to the big lad… What ? Hey less of the lip lad do you know I worked with sir bobby?
    Reet that’s enough out of you Ronaldo … Stoney get the door for him

    Seriously
    A nervous one nil win for me

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  • geordiemark

    May 23, 2015 at 9:10 AM

    Comment #10

    Ron Knee

    your blaming the fans for this aye, does the fans train the team ? does the fans buys the players ? does the fans run the football club ?? the answer to them all is no, the fans pay to watch rubbish do you think they haven’t got a right to protest and to complain about that when they have worked a full week money is very tight these days the fans have every right to complain

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  • Mag52

    May 23, 2015 at 9:10 AM

    Comment #11

    Jail.

    So you’re “praying for a Man.U. Win on Sunday”.
    Actions produce consequences Jail and the campaign against Pardew has produced the consequence of our very possible relegation.
    Surely to follow through your action you should be welcoming relegation, as another step in the process of getting rid of Ashley, instead of fearing it.
    If we are not relegated, then we are back to square one with MA cashing in on the premiership pot of gold and back to square minus one with a non manager still managing/coaching the team. What exactly would that have achieved ?

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  • one fine day

    May 23, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #12

    On topic
    I am sure toon brother will be along shortly:)

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  • Ron Knee

    May 23, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #13

    ofd
    A nervous one nil win to WHU?

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  • one fine day

    May 23, 2015 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #14

    Ron knee @6
    Mate are you serious with that or playing devils advocate?
    Fans forced Pardue out?

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  • hibbit

    May 23, 2015 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #15

    how are the fans at fault they are the customers if the product is faulty they have the right to complain this man has mugged us and they still want us to be happy and supportive not this time ASHLEY OUT

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  • Ron Knee

    May 23, 2015 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #16

    geordiemark
    Those weren’t my arguments mate. The fault lies at Ashley’s door for the bargain basement business model and inept appointments.

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  • Ron Knee

    May 23, 2015 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #17

    ofd
    I said it was the Revisionist argument. It certainly isn’t mine!

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  • geordiemark

    May 23, 2015 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #18

    Ron Knee

    fair enough

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  • sickandtired

    May 23, 2015 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #19

    @Ron Knee – fans repeating incorrect press garbage does not help. Pardew himself clearly stated why he left and it wasn’t because of fan pressure. He blames monetary restrictions – i.e. Ashley.
    “For me personally and professionally it was the right time, and the right time for Newcastle. It was my decision.
    “(Palace chairman) Steve Parish met the (buy-out) clause in my contract and I had a decision to make and for me it was the right decision.
    Four years under that type of monetary situation and the fact (Newcastle) are trying to push (on), and the history, it was difficult for a manager.”
    AND
    “But away from the pitch there wasn’t one incident or anywhere I couldn’t go. Nobody was nasty to me. Nobody threatened me. Load of old tosh.”

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  • one fine day

    May 23, 2015 at 9:18 AM

    Comment #20

    Ron knee
    No us I am seeing a zero zero half time
    Hull ahead. Break
    We score around 60 mins ayoze assist jaanmart
    And hang on
    Hull see out a 2.1 win
    West ham hit post in last 5
    At that point I go of to change my pants and come back after full time. To find we have scraped in

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  • one fine day

    May 23, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #21

    Ron knee
    17
    Thought so as I have read your previous posts …
    Off to google revisionist …. Hey at least I admit it unlike most on here 🙂

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  • giimps

    May 23, 2015 at 9:21 AM

    Comment #22

    I’m sorry too, it’s Us fans and the tea lady…..maybe in some way it’s Sir Bobbies fault….for daring to give us belief ,daring to think we are United and daring to give us hope….not just hope for survival in a poxy league, hope for the best we can be, hope for the club and its owners to want the best for the club, to make the most of every opportunity for betterment….mediocrity should never be an aim, mediocrity is what happens when we fail, our aim should be to win the league, to win every cup and drink from the top table …..unfortunately we are no longer that club, and all the belief, hope and desire has gone, it’s been replaced ,replaced by a poison which accepts and aspires for mediocrity and actively encourages failure….until that poison has been extracted from the club, we will never be united again, we will never feel the highs and lows….only lows…..apathy surrounds us engulfing every sinew, strangling the once great voice we had……..
    Ashley out!

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  • Ron Knee

    May 23, 2015 at 9:22 AM

    Comment #23

    sickandtired
    To repeat, those were not my views, but expect something similar from the Board if we go down. Pardew left for more money, a greater say in transfers and because (incredibly) he was liked at Palace.

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  • optimistic prime

    May 23, 2015 at 9:30 AM

    Comment #24

    Pardew walked at the first opportunity after Pardew out had made him aware of a lot of people’s feelings, hopefully AO has the same affect and the slug walks.

    The players IMO gave up once Alnwick got the gloves, then Colo Cisse and Sissoko get bans at stupid times which was a result of Pardews shocking discipline record.

    There would be very little if any difference in results if pardew had stayed, hardly worth mentioning all facts considered. In reality he’s part of the reason the playing side is in such shit state.

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  • tweeds

    May 23, 2015 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #25

    We must survive tomorrow , we must fully support the team on the pitch, I couldn’t stand it of we went down. All we’d hear is Sunderland sent us down and we’ve kept them up, unbearable !!! get rid of carver and start again next season, I think we must stay in the premier for any hope of Ashley selling up, so we must bite the bullet and support the lads tomorrow dispite their shortcomings and our personal feelings, relegation will be a catastrophe

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  • CaptPot

    May 23, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #26

    CHARNLEY, CHARNLEY CHARNLEY, he’s to blame, HE could have bought the players in Jan, HE could have appointed a new Manager but he DIDN’T, he sat on his hands for a month and hoped everything would be ok while whispering in MA’s ear that he had everything under control, so not only has he relegated us but this season he has single handedly save the Makems.

    Here’s a daft fact a mate told me, WE have kept Sunderland from being relegated for the last 2 seasons!!!!, If you take off the 6 points they have got from us in the last couple of years they would have went down, take 6 off their current points total and their down!!!!.

    You couldn’t make it up, only at NUFC 🙁

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  • bettyswallocks

    May 23, 2015 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #27

    Football focus comments reflect the players lack of respect for Carver as he won’t be in charge next season. That may be a factor but respect has to be earned and Carver has done nothing to earn the respect of anyone.

    He is just a proper bungalow heed ( nowt upstairs) !

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  • catchy in norway

    May 23, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    Comment #28

    who picks the players ?
    who sets up the team ?

    for me it’s the manager , all day long ,

    it’s simple things like playing Perez up front all alone then lumping long balls to him,

    picking players like Obertan , Williamson , raylor , when we have better players available ,

    manager/HC call him what u want , it’s his fajlt

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